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Re: The Brexodus
« Reply #1020 on: September 08, 2019, 06:25:29 pm »
I'd suggest a second election is more likely than a second referendum.  Remember parliament is sovereign and they can ignore referendums.

The problem with the current group of MP's is that there are 3 groups of them and 2 always gang up with the third.  The 'whip system' isn't really working anymore.
1. Remain
2. Leave but only with a deal
3. Leave with no deal

An election with a new majority Govt (who can ignore everyone else) is what's required to solve the impasse.

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Re: The Brexodus
« Reply #1021 on: September 08, 2019, 06:33:00 pm »
I'd suggest a second election is more likely than a second referendum.  Remember parliament is sovereign and they can ignore referendums.

The problem with the current group of MP's is that there are 3 groups of them and 2 always gang up with the third.  The 'whip system' isn't really working anymore.
1. Remain
2. Leave but only with a deal
3. Leave with no deal

An election with a new majority Govt (who can ignore everyone else) is what's required to solve the impasse.

Conservatives cant get there without Farages Help Corbin is a Communist so he wont get support .In a general election the most likely result is another hung Dail.Another Referendum would be Like Dunkirk 2 retreat and regroup and Boris could do a Churchill on it and sell it as a great victory that defends leave IN THE FUTURE .

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Re: The Brexodus
« Reply #1022 on: September 08, 2019, 06:37:20 pm »
Farage talks a big game but has he/his parties ever got a single person elected to the UK Parliament?

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Re: The Brexodus
« Reply #1023 on: September 08, 2019, 06:42:49 pm »
Farage talks a big game but has he/his parties ever got a single person elected to the UK Parliament?

They can take votes from the conservatives and in a First Past the Post system that is septic .

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Re: The Brexodus
« Reply #1024 on: September 08, 2019, 06:49:45 pm »
You could equally say the moderate Conservatives might vote for the Lib Dems.

Which might make it easier for Corbyn/Labour to get elected.  Or a Labour/SNP coalition (with a few goodies thrown in for Scotland)


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Re: The Brexodus
« Reply #1025 on: September 08, 2019, 07:14:25 pm »
Last week the Irish media led with some shocking news: "Government got it backwards - the backstop has created the hard Border it was supposed to stop."

Naturally, the media did no such thing. Having colluded in the crime, they are now forced to carry on with the cover-up.

The crime was telling us the big lie that the backstop was about creating an invisible Border.

Luckily, a few journalists, like Dan O'Brien of this parish, are not willing to look away in order to look after Leo & Co.

Last Thursday, Pat Leahy of The Irish Times kept faith with the facts in a story whose headline said it all:

"Ireland will prioritise single market integrity over frictionless Border."

Finally the naked truth. It was never about the Border. It was always about keeping the British in the single market, or failing that, to force Northern Protestants into a constitutional limbo.

From the start, the Government's case for the backstop should have been met with critical scrutiny by Irish politicians, journalists and academics.

Instead, our cowardly Irish intelligentsia deserted their duty of care both to the truth and to the Irish people and became a Twitter mob of tribal cheerleaders.

If they cared about protecting Irish working people they would have pushed the Irish Government to modify the backstop and help Theresa May get the Withdrawal Agreement through the House of Commons.

Instead, they pumped up green fever in an orgy of Brit-bashing and sectarian sneers at the DUP for defending its position.

Even now they try to normalise the abnormal, jeer at unionists or sneer at British parliamentary democracy.

By normalising the abnormal, I mean acting as if no-deal was no big deal.

Last week, Failte Ireland said at least 10,000 jobs would be lost in tourism.

Last Friday, Edgar Morgenroth, Professor of Economics in DCU, played down these figures on Morning Ireland.

Accepting the economy would only grow by 1pc in the event of no deal, the professor said the impact would be severe but: "It's not a catastrophe."

Maybe not if you are in a permanent and pensionable academic post. But if you're a hotelier or barista it could seem like a catastrophe.

The Irish Government could have prevented that catastrophe. All it had to do was tweak the backstop a bit last March.

Since there was no logical reason not to look for a compromise that would protect our people, we can only conclude the Fine Gael Government did not want to lose face.

Far from calling that Government to account, academics and journalists are still flakking away.

Last Monday and Tuesday, RTE's Europe editor, Tony Connelly, told us the EU view of the backstop was increasingly "holistic".

Holistic is a word to strike terror into the heart of any negotiator. Instead of one specific issue we have a spider's web of issues.

Connelly confirmed that for the EU the backstop was now about everything.

"It's not just about infrastructure, it's about society, it's about the all-island economy, it's about North-South cooperation."

Why not throw in the Norman invasion, the plantation of Ulster and the partition of Ireland?

Leo Varadkar went all holistic as well that day.

In fact he said that even if Boris Johnson came up with an invisible Border it would not be enough!

In case you don't believe me, here are his exact dismissive words about a possible range of sensible suggestions on agribusiness tariff solutions floated by Boris Johnson, Jeffrey Donaldson and Nigel Dodds.

"They just manage a border, they facilitate tariffs, they facilitate checks, they facilitate controls."

But what's wrong with that? Listen to Leo again: "But they do it in a way that is invisible and unobtrusive, and that's better than nothing, but it's not the outcome that we want to achieve."

The plain sense of that sentence means that even if Boris Johnson creates an invisible Border, it's still not acceptable because it's not the invisible backstop Border somewhere at the back of the Irish Government's mind.

What does that madness mean? To me, it means Leo Varadkar and Simon Coveney don't really want to do a compromise deal.

They want to keep the British in a permanent single market purgatory until we are satisfied with a "holistic" backstop.

Failing that, they want to force the majority of unionists into a Northern Ireland-only backstop.

That is why the Government rejected Nigel Dodds's suggestion of an agribusiness solution.

On The Tonight Show, when Ivan Yates asked him about the idea, Patrick Donovan of Fine Gael dismissed it immediately.

Bad enough that Fine Gael want to impose a nakedly sectarian settlement on the 81pc majority of Northern Protestants who reject the backstop, but it's sad to see some Fianna Fail and Labour spokespersons following them down the same tribal path.

In doing so they are only cravenly following the line laid down by Sinn Fein MEP Martina Anderson when dismissing Nigel Dodds's calls for talks with Dublin.

She tweeted: "DUP Nigel Dodds is intentionally trying to change the meaning and spirit of the GFA. The principle of consent is NOT the consent of both communities. GFA is clear - 'consent of a majority of the people'."

Anderson's crude reading is a tribal travesty of the Good Friday Agreement.

The GFA set out to deliberately destroy the kind of crude head-counting which is called majoritarianism.

First, the NI Assembly is elected by PR to amplify the minority vote, whereas Westminster elections are first past the post.

Second, the election of the first and deputy first ministers and speaker must be a cross-community vote.

Third, the GFA says only two types of vote are legitimate. One is by a majority voting on the day - but only if that includes a majority of both nationalists and unionists.

The other way is by a "weighted majority" which requires 60pc of those voting - and must include 40pc of unionists and 40pc of nationalists.

From the start the spirit and letter of the GFA was designed again to wean the parties off the majoritarian drug. There has to be power-sharing or direct rule.

A final word about the fulminations of Irish pundits about the alleged collapse of the British constitution.

They say this is a "constitutional crisis". But a crisis is when nobody knows what to do next.

But last week, behind the sound and fury, we saw British parliamentary democracy working perfectly to thwart the plans Boris Johnson.

The British don't need lectures from champions of a constitution written in secret in 1937 by priests and civil servants.

We banned divorce until 1995. We only legislated for abortion last year - nearly 50 years after Roy Jenkins liberalised the UK law.

The great American jurist, Oliver Wendell Holmes, said a good constitution has "plenty of play in its joints". The House of Commons showed us that in action last week.

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Re: The Brexodus
« Reply #1026 on: September 09, 2019, 11:28:28 am »
Just more media luvvie nonsense behind the push to rip up our constitution.....the very people telling you all you must accept that spare bedrooms should be taxed or let out to those in need....be careful.

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Re: The Brexodus
« Reply #1027 on: September 09, 2019, 03:14:44 pm »
BOJO in town today.

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« Reply #1028 on: September 09, 2019, 03:22:53 pm »
I thought Boris was going nuclear and crashing out but that makes no sence .So any deal is better than no deal .If he gets anything he cas pass off as a victory I think he will go for it .Events could overtake Brexit if China start shooting .Britain are guardiand of the two systems  solution .If they fail to act on Chineae agression their international reputation hits the floor so why not jetison the Good Friday as well .And it now looks like the oil ship they released is heading for Syria Donny T wont like that and will look for Brit cover to bomb fuck out Iran .Dangerous times Lip .
Strange Fact of the Day about Iran;
The Iranian government renamed Winston Churchill Boulevard, the location of the Embassy of the United Kingdom in Tehran to Bobby Sands Street, prompting the embassy to move its entrance door to Ferdowsi Avenue to avoid using Bobby Sands Street on its letterhead.
An official blue and white street sign was affixed to the rear wall of the British embassy compound saying (in Persian) "Bobby Sands Street" with three words of explanation "militant Irish guerrilla".

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« Reply #1029 on: September 09, 2019, 04:06:26 pm »
Victory for Boris Speraker Berkow is set to resign .

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« Reply #1030 on: September 09, 2019, 04:13:01 pm »
Bob was also a great poet., He wrote such poems as the sleeping rose, the rythem of time, the weeping wind etc a brilliant man all round . He wrote under the name of Marcella , his sister's name

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« Reply #1031 on: September 09, 2019, 08:28:51 pm »
Dalymount Nuclear Option .Donny T decides to attack Iran Borris J joins him by sending in s few war ships and unemployable Liverpudlian Soldiers .Then as Britain are at war he declares a National Emergency this allows the Prime Minister rule without the permission or direction of Parliament he then says as Britain is in a National Emergency he is not confined by the vote to seek any extension .So will Donny T invade or attack Iran to save his buddy Borris the Blond .When Britain is at war the Prime Minister can rule legally without Parliament .watch this space and GET A GUN .

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Re: The Brexodus
« Reply #1032 on: September 09, 2019, 09:57:20 pm »
Option 2 Dollymount Boris and the Government resign as soon as the government gets the Queens speech done .Then Somebody else Corbyn or whoever has to become substitute Prime Minister and look for an extension .Then in a General Election Boris and Farage wipe the floor with Labour and the rest ,then tell the EU to go fuck itself shove the extension up the eye of their flute and leave .Just cant see the Brexiteers giving up now they are this close .

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Re: The Brexodus
« Reply #1033 on: September 09, 2019, 10:30:02 pm »
Said it before John.....one or more or a mix of your predictions are bound to materialise....how could they not.

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Re: The Brexodus
« Reply #1034 on: September 09, 2019, 11:36:52 pm »
These cunts are mad you couldnt second guess them But Boris said he wont ask so logic says .Conservative Government resign just before they are due to go to talk to the EU saying they no longer retain the majority of the house .The law says Prime Minister must ask and the law says if The Conservatives are out Corbyn gets 14 days to form a government .Conservatives and UDA and Jocks and Liberals all abstain Labour get the gig but are a Minority .Corbyn is then forced to go and ask for a delay .Boris then proposes a no confidence in the treason loving  bastard every body except Labour votes the old marxist out Labour get murdered in the election with the Conservatives winning a huge majority .The Brexiteers wont let the opportunity to get out pass them by .Then Boris has a majority for the next 5 years and tells the EU tofuck off and uses Corbins delay toget a trade deal done .

 


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