The Brexodus

[watty]

I have an app on my phone called Flipboard - it's kinda a news aggregator.  It's funny reading how the different sides of the debate interpret events as they happen.  Merkel said her '30 days' thing and the newspapers went mad.  The Remain side said she was only humouring Boris while the Brexit side saw it as Europe crumbling because of Boris's 'oomph'!

This one from the Express is a cracker - Boris has cornered the EU with Trump's help - get behind the PM, writes PATRICK O'FLYNN

Once bitten, twice shy as the old saying goes. But Boris Johnson is at the very least giving a convincing impersonation of a prime minster who really will lead the United Kingdom out of the European Union on October 31. And that he will do so without a Withdrawal Agreement if Brussels does not give way on issues, including the notorious Irish backstop, which locks us into EU control indefinitely.

In recent days he has given heartening signals that he understands that the wellbeing of our democracy depends on the referendum verdict being implemented by that date.  Preparations for a no-deal have been very publicly stepped up. Negotiations with the Trump administration over a UK-US trade deal are far more advanced than first realised.

President Trump has also been enlisted to cheerlead for Brexit, and the Prime Minister is said to have taken legal advice about suspending Parliament should MPs and pro-Remain Speaker John Bercow threaten to block our exit again.

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Mr Hammond is one of the worst offenders here, with rumours he is preparing to lead a “Remainer Alliance” of MPs in talking directly to Brussels about how to force the Prime Minister to accept yet another extension in the interminable Article 50 process. Many of us find this undermining of our national interest disgusting and outrageous.  One only hesitates to use the term “traitor” as, such is his monumental self-regard, Mr Hammond probably believes he is somehow helping his country.  The behaviour of the Labour leadership is hardly better, though it at least has the excuse that in the British system the job of the official Opposition is to oppose the Government.

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[dalymount]

What makes these remainder cunts think their beloved EU would GRANT another extension ? Macron is said to have a pain in his bollox with it, the same as yet man giver hopstat

[dalymount]

Just reading about that stupid bitch sinaed o Conner. I have never seen anyone like her for looking for notice. The silly cunt is a Muslim now, she doesn't know what to do for notice

[Shallowhal]

Be careful....she knows Mandinka!!

Shudaha,wudaha,cudaha.

[john m]

The 30 day remark was Boris said there would be a two year negoaiting time after brexit to work out a deal that would prevent the use of the backstop .Merkel said that could be done in 30 days she is right all Boris has to do is accept the deal .Then get on with the trade deal .If they crash out they will still have to agree to a backstop and pony up the cash before the EU agree to talks .Boris is bolloxed nobody gives a flying fuck if the Brits go or stay .In fact France and Germany would love them to fuck off as the distribution of the UK Euro parliament seats would see France and Germany combined vote enough to get anything passed by qualified majority .

 Dollymount Can you imagine an Irish Sovreign government Brian Boru as King Cucullin as Taoiseach Galloping O Hogan as minister for finance Queen Maobh of Connaught as minister for agriculture ,The Artane boys Band all TDs and the Rocky Road as the National Anthem .

[watty]

What makes these remainder cunts think their beloved EU would GRANT another extension ? Macron is said to have a pain in his bollox with it, the same as yet man giver hopstat

Macron could be a very, very important man in the whole thing. 

He really wants a federal/united/centralised Europe and he thinks Britain has been holding him back.  The story goes that he's tempted just to tell the UK to fuk off so he can get on with centralising everything in Europe. 

Merkel wants us all to be happy bunnies and be nice to each other.  But Macron might just say 'fuk it' and say no to any compromise so Britain gets it's hard no-deal exit.


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The Brazilian President just insulted Macron's wife on Facebook (what's the world coming to when politics happens on FB/Twitter!) so he might be looking for something/someone to punch 

[watty]

Donald Tusk* (this is the 3rd UK Prime Minister I've dealt with) also has a pain in his nuts about Brexit...


* President of the EU council - gets a seat at the G7 even though he doesn't run a country...

[john m]

Macron has a hard on ambushed Trump with the Iranian at the G7 he wont want to give way to Boris .Its up to Corbyn now toorganize a power grab but My Gut feeling is a huge row in Parliament Boris might even propose a vote of Confidence in his own Government forcing Conservatives to bring down their own government then under the fixed parliament act Corbyn has 14 days to form a government or a general election .If Boris loses a Confidence vote he can suspend Parliament as there is no government for 14 days so no legislation can be passed to stop Brexit so dont be Surprised if first thing when the Parliament reconvienes Boris puts down a motion of confidence he might even tell his deputies to abstain so he loses .If he is serious about Brexit this is what he will do .

[dalymount]

Is it not the case that a group of remainders are collaborating to stop  a no deal brexit , and stop Boris from closing down parliment ?

[watty]

@JohnM; Yeah, he has to time it right.  If there's an election, he'll be the de facto leader until the new team get elected.  If he times it right, he's be the decision-maker come 31 Oct...

dalymount talks about respecting the people's vote and all that.  Politics in the UK has never worked like that.  Interesting article from Chris Patten (of Hong Kong fame) recently...

Is Britain Becoming a Failed State? (20 Aug 2019)

Abstract

Failed states used to be largely the preserve of the developing world, where the institutions of democracy do not have deep roots. But given the extent to which the Brexit campaign has undermined Britain's institutions through lies, it is reasonable to worry that the country will soon come to resemble a tinpot dictatorship.

Britain’s system of government, much praised in the past, is based on parliamentary democracy and the institutions of pluralism that one would associate with an open society.

Voters elect individual members of parliament, who owe their constituents their best judgment about how to negotiate the predicaments of politics. MPs are not required to do what they are told by an alleged popular will – a system much favored by despots and demagogues. Instead, they are part of a system that owes much to the conservative political philosopher Edmund Burke, not to the French writer Jean-Jacques Rousseau. We have always preferred caution, compromise, and evolution to disruption and appeals to fleeting public passions.

The parties to which most MPs belong represent different strands of opinion. Yet by and large, debates have usually assumed a strong relationship between evidence and assertion. Facts might be interpreted in different ways, but they were not simply denied because they contradicted an ideological assertion. Dogmatism is a bad bedfellow to democracy. Experts can be challenged, of course, but until now, expertise was never seen as something the ruling establishment would use to bamboozle and obfuscate in pursuit of its aims.

Moreover, the government is scheming to win an election, yet to be announced, on the basis of a “people versus the politicians” campaign. Those who oppose crashing out of the EU without a deal are to be branded as opponents of popular sovereignty. So much for parliamentary democracy.

[john m]

Is it not the case that a group of remainders are collaborating to stop  a no deal brexit , and stop Boris from closing down parliment ?

Boris can derail that by doing what I suggested Propose a motion of confidence in his own government .If he loses then Corbyn gets a chance to form a government if he wins then there cannot be another vote of confidence for a year .If he wins he says that that is a vote for his Brexit policy and Suspends Parliament .He will remain Prime Minister for the 14 days Parliament tries to set up a new government and one of his remaining powers is to pick the date for the General election

[watty]

Small point: The 1yr limit on votes of confidence is an internal Conservative party thing, not Parliament.

But, yeah, if he times it right, he'll be PM/decision-maker when 31 Oct rolls around...

[john m]

Personally I think our Fucktard Taoiseach has created a Problem by his Amateur Political Fuckology .He should of sat on the sifelines Confirmed he trusted the EU and the UK to come to an amacable arrangement that Ireland could agree on but in stead he was grandstanding with his betters and they played him like a two quid rent boy .If the EU sells him out his career is over and some Republicans might think more than that should be over .

[john m]

Small point: The 1yr limit on votes of confidence is an internal Conservative party thing, not Parliament.

But, yeah, if he times it right, he'll be PM/decision-maker when 31 Oct rolls around...

The only danger to Boris comes from his own party .I cant see the Speaker allowing another vote of confidence before the end of October .

[john m]

Guy Faulks Night 5th November I expect the NF or other Nationalist Groups to run amok burning and looting if Brexit is posponed and even if they get Brexit they will Riot and Loot to get the Christmas presents in before the recession .Britain is Broken .