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Public Area => Taxi Talk => Topic started by: john m on April 30, 2019, 08:43:55 pm
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reading about the killing of that little girl in Lucan .What are kids looking at on the internet ?How do two13 year olds get so warped .delighted to read ..He said jurors have to keep the age of the participants to the forefront of their minds. Although certain protections are in place, both accused are being tried as ADULTS meaning “all the rights and rules of the criminal justice system apply. They get no less or no more of a trial than anyone else.” Alsomeansthey dont walk free when they are 18 .Hard on all the families concerned .When Iwas 13 you might get a look at a playboy in exchange for giving somebody a smoke .
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I read some of the details in the paper - absolutely shocking. I don't think I'll read any more of it. Too weird.
That poor girl was already in a bad place and allegedly the two boys... doesn't bear thinking about.
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Do parents check on what their children are looking at on the web .Especially now they have internet on their phones .Kids are cruel cunts they bully anybody that is different they seem to find victims .I wouldnt want to be bringing up kids today you would need eyes in the back of your head just to keep them safe .
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if i'm not mistaken at the time of her murder there were pleas for no vigilante stuff because the perpetrators were outed as members of a minority group.
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if i'm not mistaken at the time of her murder there were pleas for no vigilante stuff because the perpetrators were outed as members of a minority group.
There are reporting restrictions in IRELAND imsure some international site will report on it ?
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Horrendous reading the case details, a vulnerable, adopted, innocent, trusting little girl. I don't know where the answers or solutions lie. The shrinks need to get involved in education is all I can think of. A god.....? mebollix, how could anyone believe?
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Those boys are not going to turn out well.
There was serious planning involved.
The Irish Times: Ana Kriégel was ‘endlessly’ bullied, murder trial told.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/criminal-court/ana-kri%C3%A9gel-was-endlessly-bullied-murder-trial-told-1.3876068?localLinksEnabled=false (https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/criminal-court/ana-kri%C3%A9gel-was-endlessly-bullied-murder-trial-told-1.3876068?localLinksEnabled=false)
As sick and demented as the Bulger Killers:
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/feb/22/james-bulger-detainment-lambe-killers-monsters (https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/feb/22/james-bulger-detainment-lambe-killers-monsters)
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if i'm not mistaken at the time of her murder there were pleas for no vigilante stuff because the perpetrators were outed as members of a minority group.
Any idea of what type of "minority hroup"?
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I posted before I know who one of the families are but if I post it I can go to jail .Most people in Leixlip top of Captains Hill know who they are .
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happened in leixlip as well.
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/theukdatabase.com/2014/11/01/3-kildare-residents-each-receive-suspended-sentences-for-sexual-abuse-of-schoolgirl/amp/ (https://www.google.ie/amp/s/theukdatabase.com/2014/11/01/3-kildare-residents-each-receive-suspended-sentences-for-sexual-abuse-of-schoolgirl/amp/)
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ismahil_Akinade
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Chatting to the wife earlier about this,she said imagine if your child did that?.....i said i'd be the one on trial....
I found it very upsetting reading the details of her horrendous death,the bullying...especially having a daughter the same age as Ana.....as Silver says,the planning that went into the whole thing....from two 13yr old scumbags,
I know as a parent i'd never let that go....i'd be doin some planning myself....jail time me bollox!!
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Is there a suggestion that the defendants had significant skin pigmentation?
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the two of them are linked through DNA from semen and blood and they're still pleading not guilty?
I wonder what sort of 24 karat cuntbaggery their barrister is gonna come out with.
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I'v been following this case since her death.
How the boys parents are allowing a not guilty plea beggars belief ??
R.I.P. Ana.
(https://i.postimg.cc/tZ9jVCmq/Anastasia-Kriegel.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/tZ9jVCmq)
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Do parents check on what their children are looking at on the web .Especially now they have internet on their phones .Kids are cruel cunts they bully anybody that is different they seem to find victims .I wouldnt want to be bringing up kids today you would need eyes in the back of your head just to keep them safe .
Not commenting on this particular issue at all, but in the wider scheme of things parents have very little input into rearing their kids today as compared to growing up in the 70's and 80's. From pre-school age kids can be offloaded on to a creche/kindergarten facility which is free even to those who are working full-time up until a certain age. They cannot form any real bond to their biological parents as they hardly meet them except when they are ready for collection. Some of these facilities are open at 6 am and don't close until 8 pm. I've heard reports from mothers over the yrs commenting on the staff turnover in these facilities, mainly due to poor working conditions including low pay-rates and eating on the hoof without proper rest periods.
Some parents idea of keeping a kid safe is to have them watching Disney DVDs or playing on game consoles all day.........when you combine all the factors involved it doesn't augur well for a well-rounded teenager in the making. We live in self-obsessed and consumerist society where everyone else is wrong and where prestige can be found in victim-hood. I've said it before and I couldn't care less who finds it crazy.......Facebook and Twitter etc are social engineering end-games designed to cultivate mindless drones for future slavery and gulag occupation. If you don't subscribe to the mantra churned out by the logarithms....you'll be cast to the wolves.
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Do parents check on what their children are looking at on the web .Especially now they have internet on their phones .Kids are cruel cunts they bully anybody that is different they seem to find victims .I wouldnt want to be bringing up kids today you would need eyes in the back of your head just to keep them safe .
Not commenting on this particular issue at all, but in the wider scheme of things parents have very little input into rearing their kids today as compared to growing up in the 70's and 80's. From pre-school age kids can be offloaded on to a creche/kindergarten facility which is free even to those who are working full-time up until a certain age. They cannot form any real bond to their biological parents as they hardly meet them except when they are ready for collection. Some of these facilities are open at 6 am and don't close until 8 pm. I've heard reports from mothers over the yrs commenting on the staff turnover in these facilities, mainly due to poor working conditions including low pay-rates and eating on the hoof without proper rest periods.
Some parents idea of keeping a kid safe is to have them watching Disney DVDs or playing on game consoles all day.........when you combine all the factors involved it doesn't augur well for a well-rounded teenager in the making. We live in self-obsessed and consumerist society where everyone else is wrong and where prestige can be found in victim-hood. I've said it before and I couldn't care less who finds it crazy.......Facebook and Twitter etc are social engineering end-games designed to cultivate mindless drones for future slavery and gulag occupation. If you don't subscribe to the mantra churned out by the logarithms....you'll be cast to the wolves.
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8 Italian teenagers have been charged with beating a pensioner to death and posting it to their Facebook pages .
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Something wrong somewhere and God has fuck all to do with it.
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When I was a kid Kojak,Cannon and Ironside were the big crime shows now there are tens of channells broadcasting every attrosity that ever happened and almost acting as how to programmes for budding Phycos .It sort of follows the increase in kids playing Tennis after Wimbeldon and kids playing soccer after the world cup has been broadcast on TV why would there not be an increase in nutters after watching nutter TV.
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Loved William Conrad....Cannon and Jake and the Fat Man......Kojak's suits were far too expensive for an honest copper......almost as bad as Don Johnson's Armani range.
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When I was a kid Kojak,Cannon and Ironside were the big crime shows now there are tens of channells broadcasting every attrosity that ever happened and almost acting as how to programmes for budding Phycos .It sort of follows the increase in kids playing Tennis after Wimbeldon and kids playing soccer after the world cup has been broadcast on TV why would there not be an increase in nutters after watching nutter TV.
You show a teenager an episode of Till Death Us Do Part or The Sweeney and they'll think we are the nutters...all relative but the real issue is that they can't differentiate between fiction and fact...too self-absorbed and self-centred.
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They might be technically kids but they know ten times more than I did at their age thanks to the web.So they start going a bit weird earlier I reckon.
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Might be better off and safer in one of them homes for Auld people
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Might be better off and safer in one of them homes for Auld people
Who ? The Kids or Us ?
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Might be better off and safer in one of them homes for Auld people
Who ? The Kids or Us ?
US FFS, lots of eligible single ladies to choose from as well
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They might be technically kids but they know ten times more than I did at their age thanks to the web.So they start going a bit weird earlier I reckon.
They don't know half what you knew....that's the problem......the cunts are wired to technology which is designed to make them know fuck all at all. They can't read or write and need helpers to shoo them in and out of shops. If they meet a non-functioning android such as a human from our old species of "Sapiens" they're lost....no eye-contact....no empathy and certainly no synthesis..........they're drones.....just in the pupa stage though.
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I should have just said what I was thinking but as the court case was mentioned I didn't wanna be specific.I didn't hear any specifics in the case.
Anyway I meant what you can find on the web now gives them an insight into all sorts of weird stuff happening.Long gone the days of having a pedal over magazine with a few bra models on it.You could spend the whole day watching decapitations if that floated your boat.If yer a bit fukked in the head there's something out there on the web to get ye off.I just come on here..
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Might be better off and safer in one of them homes for Auld people
Who ? The Kids or Us ?
US FFS, lots of eligible single ladies to choose from as well
I hear them homes are great for the Auld Wibbly Wobbly Wonders
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I posted before I know who one of the families are but if I post it I can go to jail .Most people in Leixlip top of Captains Hill know who they are .
Immigrants?
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8 Italian teenagers have been charged with beating a pensioner to death and posting it to their Facebook pages .
West Dublin again?
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if i'm not mistaken at the time of her murder there were pleas for no vigilante stuff because the perpetrators were outed as members of a minority group.
Any idea of what type of "minority hroup"?
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Empathy a casualty on the "Information age" lads.Virtually nobody gives a flyin fook about anything or anybody other than their own small world.
Desensitised at an early age by (too) early and easy access to porn and snuffy videos.
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Reading the court reports Defence is lining up a defence of she was violent and panicked when accosted and the murdering useless pieces of shit who killed her panicked .As Ken said how the fuck can you plead not guilty didnt even give the girl the dignity of her death .Their parents must be totally useless worthless no good cunts draging the dead girls parents through this ordeal .
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Empathy a casualty on the "Information age" lads.Virtually nobody gives a flyin fook about anything or anybody other than their own small world.
Desensitised at an early age by (too) early and easy access to porn and snuffy videos.
High levels of empathy are extremely dangerous though.......needed to inflict pain and cruelty etc. Season 2 or 3 of Hannibal taught me that.......couldn't believe it when I heard it. Shrinks can fake it.
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8 Italian teenagers have been charged with beating a pensioner to death and posting it to their Facebook pages .
West Dublin again?
You've enough issues up there in the Naples of Fingal...
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Unfortunately Innocent until proven guilty, and the prosecution have to prove it !
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Frightening reading the evidence in this case at first I thought one of them might of been lead astray now im thinking .Pair of phycos .What the fuck are kids watching on line .I know we spout some crap on here but what are our kids reading or blogging that we dont know about .Mental health is really important for oul grumps like us but kids need to mind their minds as well .Keep an eye on your kids you never know whats going on in their heads .I remember me mother saying "Show me your company and ill tell you what your at"
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Parents are usually a good sign of how Kids will turn out, Scum breads Scum
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Dont know about that Stoney I see young kids cycling Chemist Shops around estates and their parents think the kid is out getting exercise on the bike .My kids are big now but I see young kids that are destine for troubled lives all around .No youth clubs or Football teams Parents dont want to volunteer as they might have a conviction for stealing a bike or shoplifting in their teens and they dony want that to be known to committees through Garda Vetting .I know a girl use to run the Majorettes twenty ot thirty young kids twice a week gave it up when the community center asked that all adults be vetted before they could use the community center she was caught shoplifting in Woolworths when she was 14 didnt want everybody to know so gave it up .
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Dont know about that Stoney I see young kids cycling Chemist Shops around estates and their parents think the kid is out getting exercise on the bike .My kids are big now but I see young kids that are destine for troubled lives all around .No youth clubs or Football teams Parents dont want to volunteer as they might have a conviction for stealing a bike or shoplifting in their teens and they dony want that to be known to committees through Garda Vetting .I know a girl use to run the Majorettes twenty ot thirty young kids twice a week gave it up when the community center asked that all adults be vetted before they could use the community center she was caught shoplifting in Woolworths when she was 14 didnt want everybody to know so gave it up .
Past usually comes back to haunt you, checked with the gards a few years ago and they told me when they xfered to the Pulse system all the minor crimes were not taken across. I'd say the girl is in he clear.
Oh BTW I remember when I made me communion and me Ma's purse was robbed in Woolworths in Thomas Street
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A teenager has appeared in court charged with murdering a young man who died after he was stabbed in South Dublin.
The 16-year-old youth was arrested and brought before Dublin Children's Court yesterday charged over the fatal stabbing of Azzam Raguragui (18) in Dundrum earlier this month.
Judge Brendan Toale remanded the teenager in custody and adjourned the case for a week.
The accused, who cannot be named due to his age, is charged with murdering Azzam in Finsbury Park, Dundrum, on May 10.
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Immigrant?
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I'v been following this case since her death.
How the boys parents are allowing a not guilty plea beggars belief ??
R.I.P. Ana.
(https://i.postimg.cc/tZ9jVCmq/Anastasia-Kriegel.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/tZ9jVCmq)
So we have seen boy B give evidence about boy A and pretty Damning it was at that.
Boy A was shown to have Ana's bloodstain's on his boots and his semen on her clothes,
but boy B's statements have been in-conclusive in the extreme, changing his story multiple times.
Boy A is up next and I'll bet he has a better tale to tell than Boy B !
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I don't see how the details of this case is in the public interest. I wouldn't wanna read about it.Cant be good for the families involved hearing all this repeated in the media.
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I don't see how the details of this case is in the public interest. I wouldn't wanna read about it.Cant be good for the families involved hearing all this repeated in the media.
Its how they sell newspapers
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I don't see how the details of this case is in the public interest. I wouldn't wanna read about it.Cant be good for the families involved hearing all this repeated in the media.
Judge wanted to ban reporting but was told the Press would appeal his ruling as it was an infringement on freedom of the Press Personally every parent should be reading this case and be aware of what is out there and what their children are being exposed to .A lot of Kids and Adults are watching stuff on the Web that is totally unrealistic and believing it is real or achievable .I was in the Post Office on Tuesday two kids couldnt be more than 14 or 15 one put 600 into his post office account and his mate put in 1000 both wearing a few hundred euro worth of trackies bubble jackets and runners .I wonder if parents ever associate how their children dress with their lifestyle .Read somewhere these kids were Goths wonder if their parents know what a Goth is .I remember going to a funeral of a lad that was shot dead his mother crying that they got the wrong person her kid was not involved in any criminality .He spent most of his Dole money on his car he loved his car and clothes .He drove a three year old Impreza and wore Le Cost jumpers at about 200 a pop .all on the Dole .Are parents blinde or just disconnected .
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I don't see how the details of this case is in the public interest. I wouldn't wanna read about it.Cant be good for the families involved hearing all this repeated in the media.
Its how they sell newspapers
Do people still buy newspapers?
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My young lad told me wife a few years back about kids pushing pills in the school, one of their father's is a Detective who I know well !!.
Anyway my lad at the time(probably about 13) passed a very sensible remake to me wife :
" As long as I'm in the house playing me PS4 you don't have to worry about me".
When I was young couldn't wait to get out of the house, now some kid's don't want to go out
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I had a word with one of my best mates about his youngfella when he was about 14 I heard whispers so I was in the pub with his oulfella and didnt say what I heard but asked why he spent so much money on his kids clothes kid wore the best of everything and his old man was a minimum wage worker .He said kid bought his own clothes .I asked where he got the coin .Old man said dont know dont ask .Any way years later Kid got 9 years for posession and my mate had to move as people wanted him to pony up for the stuff that was seized .
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^^^ I don't buy newspapers as it's all yesterdays news, but I'm pretty certain the gory details have been mentioned on the six o clock news and some radio stations in the car during the day.Who really cares about the evidence.Imagine if one of your kids/sisters were involved.No doubt there will be someone writing a book about it already waiting to make a few bob on someone else misery.
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I would not agree MFH, it is a state court case and reporters are entitled to report upon it. I fer one as a citizen of this country are very interested in reading the court reports. Young Ana's death saddened me quite a lot and I have nothing but respect and sympathy fer the lass. I dunno why you think all the details should be not reported and brushed under the carpet ? Maybe that is the Catholic upbringing coming out on you ?
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Nah it's just disrespectful to the family, try put yourself in their situation.If you weren't reading every unsavoury detail and getting so emotionally involved you'd understand. I don't care what actually happened, why would I give a fuk?.It won't bring anyone back from the dead.
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OK, forget about this particular case.
Is it every case you think should not be reported on because it's disrespectful ?
Every case has families behind it, From Ian Bailey to Paddy Jackson, they all have family behind them.
The Irish public are entitled to know what goes on in Irish courts.
If a "Sweep it under the Carpet" regime were to come in, where would it end ?
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It's still the jury that decides the outcome so there's no benefit to the public in hearing it except for amusement.How did your life change since you started studying court cases?.Fuk all I'll bet.Plenty of time after a case to read the details if that's your hobby.
The same folks that would care about this stuff were probably sending flowers over England when Princess Diana got killed in the tunnel.Nosey fuckers..
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It's not amusement MFH, it's public fact and WE as the Irish public are entitled to know what goes on in our courts.
Would you rather Irish court reports were all kept in secret ?
Because as you said; "Nosey fuckers" could not see them ?
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Nah you're just being nosey.Looking for something to get outraged at.Like all the fukkers taking shite on Facebook.
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Nope, I don't do Fookbuke or Twitter or What'fook or any of dat Shite.
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You'd like it there are thousands of others getting outraged and upset over everything that isn't their problem.
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There is a very important lesson to be learned here .Todays parents are too engaged with their careers or earning rent to take notice of their kids .I see young girls about 13 or 14 dressed up like whores from 1970s Detective shows like Kojak or Starskey and Hutch .Young lads all gangsta .Parents need to watch their kids know what they are up to .My old lady use to say "Show me your company and ill tell you what your at "If people reading this story decide to check up on their kids and what they are at then press coverage is welcome .Just like reporting on a car crash where somebody was on the phone the dead person has a family but reporting on the dangers of phone driving might just save another life .Both of these accused were undoubtedly influenced by something they misunderstood ...
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I tink the public shud know ( especially if they have daughters) the depth of depravity an evil that the new Irish 13 yer old are capable of....... It has nothing to fukin do wit Internet or play station.... It's breed.....
The new English teenager are going around on mopeds and randomly stabbing kids to death.... Recently we had a new Irish stabbed to death in Dundrum and an acid attack in someone's face by the new Irish and of course the blacks openly carrying knives in my own neighbourhood and mugging our kids and putting knives to taxi drivers treats in West Dublin and usin imitation guns.... Won't be long before they get real ones and them cnuts won't ask yu for anyting they'll just fukin kill ya and take it.... .. I want the full gorey details to be made known because the looneys want to fill my country with foreigner.... ... And I object because they are a different breed .....but yur not allowed to say any of that cause statistics are not allowed..... Statistics are racist... In Germany a while back..... The country responsible for this swarm of outsiders has a mass fiddlin an groping by foreigner in cologne and they still fukin asleep
These 2 cunts shud be named and shamed wen they are convicted and in my opinion punished by execution... Preferably a slow one..... Fukin animals
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I agree to most of what yis say but the gruesome details in the middle of the trial aren't necessary.I don't need the news to tell me some people are fukked up.
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don't forget to execute the fucking wig that lies through his teeth in order to attempt to defend their indefensible crime.
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And just to rub salt into the open wounds of her parents....let's plead not guilty and let them hear what we did to her...and WE isn't a typo....and we'll get to relive the "experience" through photo evidence!!
And to be clear...nothing i've typed hasn't been produced before the court so far!!
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I tink the public shud know ( especially if they have daughters) the depth of depravity an evil that the new Irish 13 yer old are capable of....... It has nothing to fukin do wit Internet or play station.... It's breed.....
The new English teenager are going around on mopeds and randomly stabbing kids to death.... Recently we had a new Irish stabbed to death in Dundrum and an acid attack in someone's face by the new Irish and of course the blacks openly carrying knives in my own neighbourhood and mugging our kids and putting knives to taxi drivers treats in West Dublin and usin imitation guns.... Won't be long before they get real ones and them cnuts won't ask yu for anyting they'll just fukin kill ya and take it.... .. I want the full gorey details to be made known because the looneys want to fill my country with foreigner.... ... And I object because they are a different breed .....but yur not allowed to say any of that cause statistics are not allowed..... Statistics are racist... In Germany a while back..... The country responsible for this swarm of outsiders has a mass fiddlin an groping by foreigner in cologne and they still fukin asleep
These 2 cunts shud be named and shamed wen they are convicted and in my opinion punished by execution... Preferably a slow one..... Fukin animals
Dont think these kids are FOREIGN as you call them..When you listen to the evidence kid 2 dosent speak like a 13 year old Im looking forward to Kid 1 setting up the other one .When I was 13 you might get a page out of a playboy in exchange for a smoke .To much access by kids to internet and things they are too young to understand .Most parents donr even know how to check what their kids watch on line .Plus some TV chanels show some disturbing films and the cop shows that show real cases ,imsure most people think they could kill someone and get away with it based on the University of Crime that is TV and tinternet
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There's no thought for the victim anymore..... There's only political empathy for the criminals... They come first.....
That's fuked up because of agendas merging and silencing common sense...
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Dont think these kids are FOREIGN as you call them..When you listen to the evidence kid 2 dosent speak like a 13 year old Im looking forward to Kid 1 setting up the other one ..........
"Looking forward to" is probably not the correct choice of phrase John M but I too will be very interested to hear what boy A has to say fer himself. The judge at the start of the trial told the jurors that they must start off with an open mind and I too cleared my mind (because I was ready to hang the Two of em before any trial) and I started reading with a clear perception of events and willing to listen to all evidence. So far in evidence boy B has stitched up boy A like a Kipper but his testimonies are in-conclusive as he changed his tale numerous times to fit in with evidence that was proven against him.
Boy A who is still pleading not guilty has had Ana's blood stains found on his boots and his semen found on her clothing, how he is still pleading not guilty beggars belief. His brief must have some kind of magic story ready to go.
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Solicitors and Barristers in particular seem to able say what they want in court no matter how ludicrous it sounds.
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there was a mini series on there about the oj simpson trial with cuba gooding junior in the role.
i was watching it and saying to myself surely this is all dramatized and it did'nt happen in real life.
he was clearly guilty as sin and when his team of spoofing cunts got together they came up with the notion of saying let's go with the angle that the LAPD are all racist cunts and they're after concocting all the damning evidence against him.
unbelievable bollocks.
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there was a mini series on there about the oj simpson trial with cuba gooding junior in the role.
i was watching it and saying to myself surely this is all dramatized and it did'nt happen in real life.
he was clearly guilty as sin and when his team of spoofing cunts got together they came up with the notion of saying let's go with the angle that the LAPD are all racist cunts and they're after concocting all the damning evidence against him.
unbelievable bollocks.
And the fukin glove......it was soaking wet when he was wearing it initially but was all dried out when he tried it on in court...and only half heartily tried to get it on.....best piece of acting he ever did.
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there was a mini series on there about the oj simpson trial with cuba gooding junior in the role.
i was watching it and saying to myself surely this is all dramatized and it did'nt happen in real life.
he was clearly guilty as sin and when his team of spoofing cunts got together they came up with the notion of saying let's go with the angle that the LAPD are all racist cunts and they're after concocting all the damning evidence against him.
unbelievable bollocks.
And the fukin glove......it was soaking wet when he was wearing it initially but was all dried out when he tried it on in court...and only half heartily tried to get it on.....best piece of acting he ever did.
Johnny Cochrane's rhyme got O.J off with Murder:
If the Glove does not fit
You must acquit!!.
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US Detective Mark Furhman (think that was his name) tried to copperfasten the case by throwing down a glove that was too small to fit on OJ's hand.He didn't need to do it because the whole fukkin world knew he did it but the case was tainted by the action.
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The case for the prosecution is finished seems like only one of the boys made any statements now for the defence if there is anything to defend .
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The case for the prosecution is finished seems like only one of the boys made any statements now for the defence if there is anything to defend .
Maybe Boy A was advised by his counsel to say nothing...as it might be used in evidence against him.....all the forensic evidence found belongs to Boy A so it'll be interesting to see the defence explain that away.
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The case for the prosecution is finished seems like only one of the boys made any statements now for the defence if there is anything to defend .
Maybe Boy A was advised by his counsel to say nothing...as it might be used in evidence against him.....all the forensic evidence found belongs to Boy A so it'll be interesting to see the defence explain that away.
Was it AdeBoyA? 8)
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I'm getting confused with the court proceedings, boy B has had all his Garda interviews shown to the jury, but none of boy A's interviews which I'm guessing there were loads of have been shown to the jury and now the prosecution team have finished with their case.
Why were boy A's interview tapes not shown to the jury ?
I am well aware that this is a highly sensitive case and all involving minors, I'm just putting my thoughts on the case out there.
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I'm getting confused with the court proceedings, boy B has had all his Garda interviews shown to the jury, but none of boy A's interviews which I'm guessing there were loads of have been shown to the jury and now the prosecution team have finished with their case.
Why were boy A's interview tapes not shown to the jury ?
I am well aware that this is a highly sensitive case and all involving minors, I'm just putting my thoughts on the case out there.
Boy A never gave any statement he is a phyco .The Case is really about A is guilty and Boy B is trying to get off with Murder by trying to play the innocent patsy of boy A .
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That would make sense, it will be interesting to see what his defence will be today ?
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That would make sense, it will be interesting to see what his defence will be today ?
They will probably try a "Mental Issue" card
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That would make sense, it will be interesting to see what his defence will be today ?
Having read most of the court reports .The school copy with the rules of their club found in Boy Bs house is enough evidence to suggest that they both planned it ..We dont know the personalities of the kids Im sure Phycs and Social workers will put their tuppence worth into it .I remember kid A was battered .He might be going to play the self defence card saying she attacked him and it was a fight that excited him and yes he sexually assaulted her yes he killed her but it was sporadic and not planned .That would be manslaughter not Murder .Its a tragic case for everybody involved .
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That would make sense, it will be interesting to see what his defence will be today ?
Having read most of the court reports .The school copy with the rules of their club found in Boy Bs house is enough evidence to suggest that they both planned it ..We dont know the personalities of the kids Im sure Phycs and Social workers will put their tuppence worth into it .I remember kid A was battered .He might be going to play the self defence card saying she attacked him and it was a fight that excited him and yes he sexually assaulted her yes he killed her but it was sporadic and not planned .That would be manslaughter not Murder .Its a tragic case for everybody involved .
And of course Boy B did bring the unfortunate girl to meet Boy A, be interesting to see if that makes him an accessory to the crime
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both are charged with murder judge might not let the jury return any other verdict .Murder must have malace a forethought and from the evidence I read they are both guilty they planned it bit like two blokes going out to do a shooting the driver is as guilty as the triggerman ,be interesting to see what the defence come up with .All I can see as a defence is he and her went for a bit of sex she panicked he panicked and lost control if they can convince the court of that then its not murder its manslaughter .for boy A and boy B might get a walk .
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That would make sense, it will be interesting to see what his defence will be today ?
They will probably try a "Mental Issue" card
Usually only works for females. Our history is shameful in this regard...Men's own fault for not keeping a diary of domestic abuse inflicted on them. Reporting your Mrs for abuse is sadly not done by so-called traditionalist males and then they're mystified when they end up potless or in stir.
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both are charged with murder judge might not let the jury return any other verdict .Murder must have malace a forethought and from the evidence I read they are both guilty they planned it bit like two blokes going out to do a shooting the driver is as guilty as the triggerman ,be interesting to see what the defence come up with .All I can see as a defence is he and her went for a bit of sex she panicked he panicked and lost control if they can convince the court of that then its not murder its manslaughter .for boy A and boy B might get a walk .
Depends.... We had a judge recently say to a serial sexually offender taxi driver.... He could drive his Taxi but not to have any one at arms lenght in the front in case he got the fiddlin urge........ Whilst that is world's away from cold blooded premeditated rape and butchery......... I would expect it to be advantageous for the perpetrators if they possess a tan
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Defence are summing up .No defence being offered ? Based on what I read Boy A gets life but probably in Dundrum a fucking nutjob .Boy B if they bought his story that he was a patsy might get off but the school Copy they found in his gaff where they wrote down the rules of their club and the fact he didnt go straight to the Garda when Anna was reported missing means he was complisit so Guilty as well .
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parents of both suspects could be in a world of shite after for putting Ana's parents through a trial.
the parents of the kids that murdered jamie bolger were ran out of the area.
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parents of both suspects could be in a world of shite after for putting Ana's parents through a trial.
the parents of the kids that murdered jamie bolger were ran out of the area.
I thinkits obvious A is guilty I wonder if the trialis just to establish the Guilt or Innocence of B .Shocking for all families involved no parent bread a kid to be a killer .
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the only sympathy you can have is for the girl's parents.
if the two suspects had of told the truth and pled guilty from the start then it would be a different story.
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the only sympathy you can have is for the girl's parents.
if the two suspects had of pled guilty from the start then it would be a different story.
Dont know Doc I read all the PUBLISHED evidence .What Im seeing is Boy B is trying to claim he didnt know yer man was going to kill her so he cannot be guilty of murder .it might of suited his case better for both to plead inocent .If A had of pleaded guilty then he could of said B knew but as both pleaded inocent he was never going to say he knew I was going to murder her .At first I thought B might be a patsy but they found a copy book with the rules of their secret club that could be interpreted as planning and that would make both Guilty .The evidence that was not published might be more obvious .
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both are charged with murder judge might not let the jury return any other verdict .Murder must have malace a forethought and from the evidence I read they are both guilty they planned it bit like two blokes going out to do a shooting the driver is as guilty as the triggerman ,be interesting to see what the defence come up with .All I can see as a defence is he and her went for a bit of sex she panicked he panicked and lost control if they can convince the court of that then its not murder its manslaughter .for boy A and boy B might get a walk .
Depends.... We had a judge recently say to a serial sexually offender taxi driver.... He could drive his Taxi but not to have any one at arms lenght in the front in case he got the fiddlin urge........ Whilst that is world's away from cold blooded premeditated rape and butchery......... I would expect it to be advantageous for the perpetrators if they possess a tan
They do.
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Do they SB?
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Do they SB?
Whatsapp groups etc have them down as Sub Saharan, if that narrows it down a bit!
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parents of both suspects could be in a world of shite after for putting Ana's parents through a trial.
the parents of the kids that murdered jamie bolger were ran out of the area.
I thinkits obvious A is guilty I wonder if the trialis just to establish the Guilt or Innocence of B .Shocking for all families involved no parent bread a kid to be a killer .
Why is boy A pleading Not Guity ? and offering no defence, if he peaded Guity then he would seemingly get a lighter sentence ?
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parents of both suspects could be in a world of shite after for putting Ana's parents through a trial.
the parents of the kids that murdered jamie bolger were ran out of the area.
I thinkits obvious A is guilty I wonder if the trialis just to establish the Guilt or Innocence of B .Shocking for all families involved no parent bread a kid to be a killer .
Why is boy A pleading Not Guity ? and offering no defence, if he peaded Guity then he would seemingly get a lighter sentence ?
Cos he's a cunt......wanted to relive all the gory details and no doubt cause more hurt to her parents.
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I doubt that Hal, there is a Game on-foot here by boy A, but I can't figure out what it is ?
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I doubt that Hal, there is a Game on-foot here by boy A, but I can't figure out what it is ?
it's the game a guilty as sin person plays.
say fuck all.
it's not up to me to prove my innocence, it's up to you to prove my guilt.
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I doubt that Hal, there is a Game on-foot here by boy A, but I can't figure out what it is ?
I think I explained it Ken No reason to plead guilty as Murder carries a mandatory and he is guilty .I think by not pleading guilty he could not be called to give evidence against bot B .The issue to be decided is all about boy B did he or did he not know boy A intended to kill her if he did then he is guilty of murder if he didnt then he is not guilty of murder .Boy B lied but all 13 year olds lie to avoid getting into trouble .I read one report that a copy book with the rules of their satan club was found in Boy B house if they had a club then its likely they both planed to kill her .Boy A is odds on he is guilty Biy B depends on if he sold his story to the jury or not .Remember both these kids are being charged as adults so a life sentence will be life unlike if they were charged as children they would be eligable for parole as soon as they were 18 .
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I read the summing up of the prosecution...and with regard to Boy B....he changed his story more times than his jocks to suit certain facts to try and distance himself from.....well everything.....although using the words of the prosecution..."using his own words",put him in the house....i mean seriously.....this well planned operation so Boy A could tell Ana he wasn't interested in her!!
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I read the summing up of the prosecution...and with regard to Boy B....he changed his story more times than his jocks to suit certain facts to try and distance himself from.....well everything.....although using the words of the prosecution..."using his own words",put him in the house....i mean seriously.....this well planned operation so Boy A could tell Ana he wasn't interested in her!!
As I said A is caught with his pants down so to speak B is trying to wriggle off the hook .The Copy book puts the two of them togeather in a joint enterprise that means both are guilty of murder .Mandatory Life sentences Oberstown until 18 then proper jail or in the case of Boy A Dundrum dont think he is normal .Based on what I read A is Guilty and so is B BUT all he needs is to convince two members of the jury that he was an inocent dragged into this by his mate and he could walk .
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If any members of that jury think from the evidence produced that Boy B was an innocent dragged into anything....they need their conscience examined.
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Its wrong that these young fellas can not be named and they enjoy the protection of the court.if they are old enough to contemplate murder,then surely they are old enough to be named
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For a murder conviction thee must be intent or planing ....As I posted his brief says ..The senior defence lawyer, representing one of two boys accused of murdering 14-year-old Ana Kriégel just over a year ago, has said there was not one pick of evidence given by any witness in court, that the boy intended to kill the schoolgirl, or anyone.
In his closing speech to the jury, Senior Counsel Patrick Gageby, representing the first accused boy, said there did not seem to be any evidence of an intention to kill...Probably going to say he got overexcited and lost control .Probably explains why neither Boy took to the withness box in their own defence .
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Legal mumbo jumbo gaslighting......
Rape, strangulation and smashing her head wit a concrete block or Watever they did...... They did it..... Intent has sweet fuk all to do with anything.... How the fuk can ya be less guilty cause ya didn't mean to rape and kill?
It's fukin more institutionalised insanity of the highest order.....
I didn't mean her to die wen I fuked the concrete block on her head yur honour.... Me teenage hormones got the better of me an I'm normally very nice.......
Execute the cnuts
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Defence are saying that there was no evidence that Boy A intended to murder her.....but the planning that went into the whole sorry episode.
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Legal mumbo jumbo gaslighting......
Rape, strangulation and smashing her head wit a concrete block or Watever they did...... They did it..... Intent has sweet fuk all to do with anything.... How the fuk can ya be less guilty cause ya didn't mean to rape and kill?
It's fukin more institutionalised insanity of the highest order.....
I didn't mean her to die wen I fuked the concrete block on her head yur honour.... Me teenage hormones got the better of me an I'm normally very nice.......
Execute the cnuts
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reading their wig's closing statements is infuriating.
the spoofing cunts should be waterboarded after the trial indefinitely.
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Judge is basically telling them to ignore the evedence because they are kids and might not be telling the truth ....The judge in the trial of two teenage boys for the murder of 14-year-old, Ana Kriégel has told the jurors to exclude normal human sympathy and empathy from their deliberations.
Mr Justice Paul McDermott has begun his summing up of the case to the jury.
Both 14-year-old boys deny murdering the schoolgirl at an abandoned house in Lucan in May last year.
The first accused boy also denies aggravated sexual assault.
Mr Justice McDermott told the jurors they should bring their life experience to bear on the facts of this case, including their experience of childhood and of telling lies.
He said a murder trial would normally attract high emotion and feelings and very, very strong emotions ran in this case "for obvious reasons".
He said it was essential for the jurors to be independent in mind and act on the evidence.
He said it would be impossible not to have sympathy and empathy for the bereaved family in this case.
And it would also be impossible not to have a degree of empathy for the families of the accused boys and the situation they had been placed in.
But he said they must clinically analyse the facts of the case and exclude the normal sympathy and empathy they would have.
He suggested they might find it useful to consider the evidence against Boy A first before proceeding to consider the evidence against Boy B.
He said that was the way the prosecution had presented the case.
He also reminded them that the accused were very young as were some of the witnesses and this should have some bearing on the way the jurors approached the evidence.
Mr Justice McDermott said there had been limited cross examination in the trial.
What would be a matter of great importance to the jurors would be the interpretation of the sequence of events put before them.
The boys were entitled not to give evidence in their own defence he said, and that could not be held against them.
The judge said they should examine carefully what both boys said in garda interviews along with all the other evidence in the case.
But he warned them that they could not rely on something said by one co-accused when considering the case against the other boy.
Mr Justice McDermott said the jurors should carefully consider whether they could draw inferences from certain facts.
He suggested they might consider, for example, evidence about a copy book containing information about a "satanic club" to be a distraction or irrelevant to the real issues in the case.
He told them not to put strained interpretations on what they would normally regard as "teenage messing".
The judge said he had "considerably more" to say to the jurors and the issues in this case were very serious.
He'll resume his charge to them in the morning.
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I reckon boy A is guilty as sin offering no defense that could be cross-examined and hoping that the court might if allowed accept a manslaughter charge. The forensic evidence against him is too damming fer him to even try to attempt to wriggle away from.
Boy B I reckon had a pretty good understanding of what was going on, his crusade of lies might even help him as it's pretty hard to know which is the lie and which is the truth, which makes his case ambiguous in the jurors eyes and creates reasonable doubt, so he might get a 'Walk'.
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Judge is basically telling them to ignore the evedence because they are kids and might not be telling the truth ....The judge in the trial of two teenage boys for the murder of 14-year-old, Ana Kriégel has told the jurors to exclude normal human sympathy and empathy from their deliberations.
Mr Justice Paul McDermott has begun his summing up of the case to the jury.
Both 14-year-old boys deny murdering the schoolgirl at an abandoned house in Lucan in May last year.
The first accused boy also denies aggravated sexual assault.
Mr Justice McDermott told the jurors they should bring their life experience to bear on the facts of this case, including their experience of childhood and of telling lies.
He said a murder trial would normally attract high emotion and feelings and very, very strong emotions ran in this case "for obvious reasons".
He said it was essential for the jurors to be independent in mind and act on the evidence.
He said it would be impossible not to have sympathy and empathy for the bereaved family in this case.
And it would also be impossible not to have a degree of empathy for the families of the accused boys and the situation they had been placed in.
But he said they must clinically analyse the facts of the case and exclude the normal sympathy and empathy they would have.
He suggested they might find it useful to consider the evidence against Boy A first before proceeding to consider the evidence against Boy B.
He said that was the way the prosecution had presented the case.
He also reminded them that the accused were very young as were some of the witnesses and this should have some bearing on the way the jurors approached the evidence.
Mr Justice McDermott said there had been limited cross examination in the trial.
What would be a matter of great importance to the jurors would be the interpretation of the sequence of events put before them.
The boys were entitled not to give evidence in their own defence he said, and that could not be held against them.
The judge said they should examine carefully what both boys said in garda interviews along with all the other evidence in the case.
But he warned them that they could not rely on something said by one co-accused when considering the case against the other boy.
Mr Justice McDermott said the jurors should carefully consider whether they could draw inferences from certain facts.
He suggested they might consider, for example, evidence about a copy book containing information about a "satanic club" to be a distraction or irrelevant to the real issues in the case.
He told them not to put strained interpretations on what they would normally regard as "teenage messing".
The judge said he had "considerably more" to say to the jurors and the issues in this case were very serious.
He'll resume his charge to them in the morning.
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Judge suggesting that the jury ignore evidence that they had a satanic club which points to premeditation .FFS whats going on here ...He suggested they might consider, for example, evidence about a copy book containing information about a "satanic club" to be a distraction or irrelevant to the real issues in the case.
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Judge suggesting that the jury ignore evidence that they had a satanic club which points to premeditation .FFS whats going on here ...He suggested they might consider, for example, evidence about a copy book containing information about a "satanic club" to be a distraction or irrelevant to the real issues in the case.
Voodoo!
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The Judges final summing up was a bit of a 'Sit on the Fence' job, a bit like an Irish weather forecast, the Sun might shine or it might Rain !
The judge in the trial of two teenage boys for the murder of 14-year-old Ana Kriégel has told the jurors they could rely on lies alleged to have been told by the boys as evidence of guilt, only if the prosecution had established there was no other innocent explanation.
Mr Justice McDermott said the prosecution was relying on what it claimed were lies told by the two accused boys as evidence of guilt, particularly in the case of the second boy.
The prosecution case was that the lies were told to cover up guilt and for no other reason.
The judge said the prosecution was entitled to rely on inconsistencies in various accounts given by the two boys, or lies told by them.
He said a series of false denials could be regarded and relied on as evidence of guilt.
But the judge cautioned the jurors against jumping to simple conclusions in relation to the telling of lies.
Lies on their own may not indicate guilt, he said.
In certain circumstances, an inference of guilt should be drawn, but lies had been told in the past by accused people who are innocent.
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GUILTY BOTH OF THEM .
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TWO teenagers have been found guilty before the Central Criminal Court of the murder of schoolgirl Ana Kriegel.
One of them, known as Boy A, has also been found guilty of aggravated sexual assault.
The boys, who were just 13 years old at the time, had denied the offences.
Ana's body, naked apart from a pair of black socks, was found by gardai in a derelict farmhouse, Glenwood House, Laraghcon, Clonee Road, in Lucan at 1pm on May 17, 2018.
The 14-year-old had been reported missing by her parents Patric and Geraldine Kriegel three days earlier.
Ana was last seen by her father leaving her home in the company of the second accused, Boy B, around 5pm on the day she disappeared, and heading towards the park.
Schoolgirl Ana Kriegel2
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Schoolgirl Ana Kriegel
Boy B was interviewed by gardai for over 17 hours on two separate dates, on May 24 and July 7 last year.
In his interviews, Boy B had claimed that he called to Ana's house on behalf of Boy A who told him he wanted to sort out some "relationship issues" with her.
In his closing address to the jury, prosecution counsel Brendan Grehan SC said there was an "overwhelming forensic case" against Boy A, which not just connected him to the scene but where items belonging to him, from his house, connected him to Ana and the scene.
Mr Grehan told jurors it was the prosecution case that there was "no innocent explanation" that could explain away these facts other than Boy A's involvement.
He said the evidence in relation to Boy A pointed in only one way - he was at the scene, he was there when Ana was bleeding, his DNA was on her neck and his semen was on her top. Most significant of all, Mr Grehan added, is that Ana's blood was on Boy A's boots.
In relation to Boy B, Mr Grehan said there was no forensic evidence connecting him to the scene, and the case against Boy B relied on "what came out of his own mouth" in his interviews with gardai.
Mr Grehan said the interviews contained "lies, untruths and half truths" and told the jury "quite where the lies end or the truth begins will be a matter you will have to decide".
After deliberating for 14 hours and 25 minutes, jurors came back at 2.11pm and delivered the verdicts, first for Boy A and then for Boy B.
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Hope they rot in prison
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Think I read they were charged as adults if so its mandatory Life sentences If they were charged as kids they would be upfor review when they were 18..
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hope the parents get ran out of the area now for not making them do the right thing and plead guilty.
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I think its outrageous that they cannot be named for legal reasons.they murdered a young girl for Christs sake.why should they be protected ?
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I think its outrageous that they cannot be named for legal reasons.they murdered a young girl for Christs sake.why should they be protected ?
More protected than the victim.....filth the pair of them!!
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I think its outrageous that they cannot be named for legal reasons.they murdered a young girl for Christs sake.why should they be protected ?
Their photos can't be shown either, they mustn't be Irish.
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I think its outrageous that they cannot be named for legal reasons.they murdered a young girl for Christs sake.why should they be protected ?
Their photos can't be shown either, they mustn't be Irish.
Why would you think that, Do you think Irish cant be fucking savages .
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Hope they rot in prison
In America they would, here they'll be out for their 21st's
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I think its outrageous that they cannot be named for legal reasons.they murdered a young girl for Christs sake.why should they be protected ?
Their photos can't be shown either, they mustn't be Irish.
Why would you think that, Do you think Irish cant be fucking savages .
Its not in our nature
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Hope they rot in prison
In America they would, here they'll be out for their 21st's
And a new identity
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I think its outrageous that they cannot be named for legal reasons.they murdered a young girl for Christs sake.why should they be protected ?
Their photos can't be shown either, they mustn't be Irish.
Why would you think that, Do you think Irish cant be fucking savages .
Its not in our nature
Not in our nature tell that to all the dead babies buried in the sewers by the Nuns .What they are not telling you is a lot of them children were handicapped or Downs Syndrome and butchered by the church as they never represented an image of God who we are all supposed to be built in his image .Industrialschoolls where kids were raped by grown men do you believe that some of those kids were not murdered and disposed of .Every Nation is capable of Savagry
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Hope they rot in prison
In America they would, here they'll be out for their 21st's
And a new identity
Anonimity only applies until they are 18 years old they are only protected as children .Go for a Pint in Leixlip and you will find out who they are .
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Yes the nuns and Christian brothers and priests did awful evil tings to kids....including murder ide say
Wats shocking in this case is their ages and they apparently planned it together and the viciousness of the killing.... It is unheard of in Ireland as far as I know ....
That teacher who murdered his kids and wife recently cause he was caught watchin
Porn an pullin his plum on the school computer was another horrific case....
Ireland is becoming more violent.....
I'm giving short odds on a taxi driver shooting in the not to distant future for the hundred quid in his wallet..... And I'm giving shorter odds that the perpetrators wont be Irish ..... That's my analysis on trends.... Not because I'm a racist cnut.... But I've seen it in me own area and it's not going to get better
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Occi .White Eastern Europeans are more likely to lean twords violence than Muslims or Indians or Africans .Irish really know how to divide their own society .I remember writing an Essay in Tech about local history and getting sent home .Im from Inchicore and I wrote about the Memorial Park Islandbridge .I asked what respect was been showed to Irish Men who died in two world wars when the War Memorial Gardens were built in the middle of the City Dump as that is what the park was and then I asked why the First Specialist School for Handicapped Children The John of Gods was also built on the Dump.When you remove the Guinness Goggles Ireland is a cruel kip Industrial Schools ,Laundries ,Homelessness ,Hospital Waiting Lists .
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I think its outrageous that they cannot be named for legal reasons.they murdered a young girl for Christs sake.why should they be protected ?
Their photos can't be shown either, they mustn't be Irish.
Why would you think that, Do you think Irish cant be fucking savages .
Its not in our nature
Not in our nature tell that to all the dead babies buried in the sewers by the Nuns .What they are not telling you is a lot of them children were handicapped or Downs Syndrome and butchered by the church as they never represented an image of God who we are all supposed to be built in his image .Industrialschoolls where kids were raped by grown men do you believe that some of those kids were not murdered and disposed of .Every Nation is capable of Savagry
No similarities whatsoever !!
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Rats in a barrel.... The greater the population of any species / the greater the propensity to violence....
Seen a horrific documentary last nite on Rte on the owlones TV.... The kids in Sierra Leone we'r kidnapped nd had to watch their parents being beheaded...or wer forced to kill their own parents . Then sent into death squad armies. ..ak47 and 9 yrs old.. . Later on they we'r hired by America and Britain private security firms to fight in Iraq and Afghanistan and Syria for a fraction of the cost of a brit soldier... Then yiv a load of refugees trying to escape the American induced destruction of their country
And we have this cnut verooka and the midget giving them American dinner in the phoenix Park an parading our own soldiers who are on less than the minimum wage.....and allowing American international terrorists soldiers land at shannon And the fukin American buying up Dublin... And Leo protesting to Europe cause he doesn't want the billions in tax Google and Facebook owes us
..ya cant fukin make this shite up
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I think some radio station leaked one of the names.
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I reckon boy A is guilty as sin offering no defense that could be cross-examined and hoping that the court might if allowed accept a manslaughter charge. The forensic evidence against him is too damming fer him to even try to attempt to wriggle away from.
Boy A thankfully got the full charge and thankfully the judge ignored his defence's very late request for a manslaughter plea to be allowed.
Fer anyone interested this is some of the evidence which the judge did not allow to go before the jury, and also what boy A's defence team tried to prevent the jury from seeing;
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/ana-kriegel-verdict-the-evidence-the-jury-did-not-hear-931435.html (https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/ana-kriegel-verdict-the-evidence-the-jury-did-not-hear-931435.html)
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Boy B I reckon had a pretty good understanding of what was going on, his crusade of lies might even help him as it's pretty hard to know which is the lie and which is the truth, which makes his case ambiguous in the jurors eyes and creates reasonable doubt, so he might get a 'Walk'.
Boy B I'm not convinced was a murder culprit, no doubt he was involved and no doubt he led the girl to her death, but exactly how much did he know about it ? Nobody can say ? Because he told so many lies.
No forensic's or CCTV can put him 'In the house' during the assault and none of the girls DNA were found on him, so with such a brutal crime and so much DNA in the house and none of it on boy B, is it safe enough to assume that he did not participate in the actual murder that he has been found guilty of ? Granted he is guilty of something, being an accessory or an accomplice or maybe manslaughter, but I don't think Murder was the right charge fer boy B.
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Anonimity only applies until they are 18 years old they are only protected as children .Go for a Pint in Leixlip and you will find out who they are .
It will be interesting to hear from what cultural background the boys came from ?
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Anonimity only applies until they are 18 years old they are only protected as children .Go for a Pint in Leixlip and you will find out who they are .
It will be interesting to hear from what cultural background the boys came from ?
If I was a betting man both of them to be Irish @ 1/billion looks a good bet .
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Anonimity only applies until they are 18 years old they are only protected as children .Go for a Pint in Leixlip and you will find out who they are .
It will be interesting to hear from what cultural background the boys came from ?
If I was a betting man both of them to be Irish @ 1/billion looks a good bet .
OK Man but if they born in Ireland they Irish
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19 Jun 2019 16:04
The Central Criminal Court has ordered Facebook and Twitter to remove any photographs or any other material identifying the two boys convicted yesterday of the murder of 14-year-old Ana Kriégel.
The court also allowed the Director of Public Prosecutions to serve notice on the two companies that she intends to seek orders for the attachment of the companies' assets and the committal to prison of those responsible for publishing the material for contempt of court.
That application will be back before the court tomorrow.
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19 Jun 2019 15:03
The Taoiseach has told the Dáil that the Government is examining new online safety measures for young people following the pornographic content found on the phone of one the two 14-year-old boys convicted of the murder of Ana Kriégel.
The matter was raised by Labour Leader Brendan Howlin during Leaders' Questions in the Dáil, who asked if the Government would examine the UK's new system of age verification for accessing pornographic content.
"We can clearly and unambiguously say this material should not be accessible by children," Mr Howlin said, pointing to the new law in the UK, which will take effect from mid-July.
Leo Varadkar said he was aware the matter was still before the courts, and sympathised with Ana's parents and the parents of the convicted boys.
However, he said the accessibility of pornography was a matter of concern.
Mr Varadkar said Mr Howlin's suggestion of learning from the UK's experience was appropriate.
Separately, he said that the Government's online safety bill introducing an online safety code, prohibiting cyber bullying and material that promotes self harm, bulimia and anorexia.
"There will also be an Online Safety Commissioner to certify these codes are fit for purpose and may have the power to order take down in certain circumstances," Mr Varadkar said.
Sinn Féin Leader Mary Lou McDonald also said the office of a digital safety commissioner must be established quickly.
She told the Dáil that yesterday's court judgment has crystalised the importance of this issue.
Given the urgency of the situation she said that every effort must be made now to get the office put on the statute books.
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Anonimity only applies until they are 18 years old they are only protected as children .Go for a Pint in Leixlip and you will find out who they are .
It will be interesting to hear from what cultural background the boys came from ?
If I was a betting man both of them to be Irish @ 1/billion looks a good bet .
OK Man but if they born in Ireland they Irish
I would be interested to know their cultural background, not their current nationality.
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Anonimity only applies until they are 18 years old they are only protected as children .Go for a Pint in Leixlip and you will find out who they are .
It will be interesting to hear from what cultural background the boys came from ?
If I was a betting man both of them to be Irish @ 1/billion looks a good bet .
OK Man but if they born in Ireland they Irish
I would be interested to know their cultural background, not their current nationality.
True, Smith is not a common name in Africa
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Anonimity only applies until they are 18 years old they are only protected as children .Go for a Pint in Leixlip and you will find out who they are .
It will be interesting to hear from what cultural background the boys came from ?
If I was a betting man both of them to be Irish @ 1/billion looks a good bet .
OK Man but if they born in Ireland they Irish
I would be interested to know their cultural background, not their current nationality.
The human ape is a virus .....arrived here within an ice laden comet 100s millions yers ago .. Black, white, brown,,,,, it's all bad.... It's modus operandi is to destroy....
It is so virulent it even attacks itself.....
The planets defensive reaction was to create various pathogen, bacteria to combat the
Human infestation.... Malaria,bubonic plague, tuberculosis, typhus, cholera, hiv,anthrax, botulism, measles, mumps, hepatitis, influenza, smallpox.... The list is endless....
So far the virus has managed to overcome the biological attack from the earth's defences..... But the human virus is within 100 years of annihilation.... A fukin huge own goal with the temporary destruction of its host.........
Then the forests will return, the clean seas, the wildlife and the silence
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https://youtu.be/Kb8CW3axqRE
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https://youtu.be/Kb8CW3axqRE
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Anonimity only applies until they are 18 years old they are only protected as children .Go for a Pint in Leixlip and you will find out who they are .
It will be interesting to hear from what cultural background the boys came from ?
If I was a betting man both of them to be Irish @ 1/billion looks a good bet .
OK Man but if they born in Ireland they Irish
I would be interested to know their cultural background, not their current nationality.
The human ape is a virus .....arrived here within an ice laden comet 100s millions yers ago .. Black, white, brown,,,,, it's all bad.... It's modus operandi is to destroy....
It is so virulent it even attacks itself.....
The planets defensive reaction was to create various pathogen, bacteria to combat the
Human infestation.... Malaria,bubonic plague, tuberculosis, typhus, cholera, hiv,anthrax, botulism, measles, mumps, hepatitis, influenza, smallpox.... The list is endless....
So far the virus has managed to overcome the biological attack from the earth's defences..... But the human virus is within 100 years of annihilation.... A fukin huge own goal with the temporary destruction of its host.........
Then the forests will return, the clean seas, the wildlife and the silence
Good post, but wrong thread/section Octy,
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Anonimity only applies until they are 18 years old they are only protected as children .Go for a Pint in Leixlip and you will find out who they are .
It will be interesting to hear from what cultural background the boys came from ?
If I was a betting man both of them to be Irish @ 1/billion looks a good bet .
OK Man but if they born in Ireland they Irish
I would be interested to know their cultural background, not their current nationality.
The human ape is a virus .....arrived here within an ice laden comet 100s millions yers ago .. Black, white, brown,,,,, it's all bad.... It's modus operandi is to destroy....
It is so virulent it even attacks itself.....
The planets defensive reaction was to create various pathogen, bacteria to combat the
Human infestation.... Malaria,bubonic plague, tuberculosis, typhus, cholera, hiv,anthrax, botulism, measles, mumps, hepatitis, influenza, smallpox.... The list is endless....
So far the virus has managed to overcome the biological attack from the earth's defences..... But the human virus is within 100 years of annihilation.... A fukin huge own goal with the temporary destruction of its host.........
Then the forests will return, the clean seas, the wildlife and the silence
Good post, but wrong thread/section Octy,
Not wrong post atall ken.... I am questioning our innate tribalism and introducing the bigger picture to the argument....... The underlying theme for much of this thread has been the nationality, race, colour of the perpetrators of this heinous act..... All I'm trying to achieve is a bigger picture of the analysis with the objective of expansion of the understanding of the motive for the act of violence which happened and to give context....... I am merely trying to understand beyond the human condition
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I refer you backto my earlier post Occi ....Do parents check on what their children are looking at on the web .Especially now they have internet on their phones .Kids are cruel cunts they bully anybody that is different they seem to find victims .I wouldnt want to be bringing up kids today you would need eyes in the back of your head just to keep them safe . 5000 porn images on one kids phones .Bookies on their websites give a Gamble Aware warning but Porn sites offer fantasy most blokes looking at porn never get next or near doing any of the stuff they watch they usually end up wiping one out but Kidswith no experience think this stuff is normal They Lie and tell other vunerable kids they did some of this stuff and then those kids try to get their portion .Watch next month when Wimbledon is on telly working class kids in Corpo Estates suddenly playing tennis on the Road .Kids copy what they see so to a lesser extent do adults .If you give a Kid a mobile phone that connects to the internet you need to monitor what they are looking at and you also need to have an honest discussion with themabout some of what they are seeing .No parent ever wanted to breed a monster but they can create them by not looking after them .!3 Year old Goth Kid I would of been worried as Adults and parents we carry a responsibility to look out for our kids but modern society seems to think kids can look after themselves ,they cant .The Jesuits say ".Give me the child until he is 7 and I will give you the man "I ran football teamsand Youth projects and even at 7 or 8 you could nearly tell the kids that were destine for troubled lives .
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I refer you backto my earlier post Occi ....Do parents check on what their children are looking at on the web .Especially now they have internet on their phones .Kids are cruel cunts they bully anybody that is different they seem to find victims .I wouldnt want to be bringing up kids today you would need eyes in the back of your head just to keep them safe . 5000 porn images on one kids phones .Bookies on their websites give a Gamble Aware warning but Porn sites offer fantasy most blokes looking at porn never get next or near doing any of the stuff they watch they usually end up wiping one out but Kidswith no experience think this stuff is normal They Lie and tell other vunerable kids they did some of this stuff and then those kids try to get their portion .Watch next month when Wimbledon is on telly working class kids in Corpo Estates suddenly playing tennis on the Road .Kids copy what they see so to a lesser extent do adults .If you give a Kid a mobile phone that connects to the internet you need to monitor what they are looking at and you also need to have an honest discussion with themabout some of what they are seeing .No parent ever wanted to breed a monster but they can create them by not looking after them .!3 Year old Goth Kid I would of been worried as Adults and parents we carry a responsibility to look out for our kids but modern society seems to think kids can look after themselves ,they cant .The Jesuits say ".Give me the child until he is 7 and I will give you the man "I ran football teamsand Youth projects and even at 7 or 8 you could nearly tell the kids that were destine for troubled lives .
Yea they personality is formed well by then...but I think yur makin excuses for him johnny....I don't believe any screens or PlayStation, or Porn site or ritualistic devil cult on the Internet is responsible for Wat the cunt did.. It was in him..... Probably from birth... Right from wrong..... he knew the difference..... he planned it an done it .. ... Evil
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Considering the shit flying around about Name's, Internet etc., might be a good idea if all treaded carefully on this one
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I think breeding is important but you are not allowed to say that Look at the Derby winner always a thoroughbread and a Collie never won a Greyhound race .Humans like Dogs are bread to be what they are .About 20 years ago I was running a kids Disco in the church hall three little cunts arrived up about 10 or 11 and ran riot I fucked them out .One of them is now dead the other two are locked up for murder .Two local families have 3 sons jailed for murder .Just like travlers fighting and jail are all part of their culture its bread into them .
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I'm delira. the fuckin father mouthin out of him in the court after the verdict. fuckin eejit. running like a rat now.
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/boy-bs-family-forced-into-hiding-after-photographs-shared-online-931875.html (https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/boy-bs-family-forced-into-hiding-after-photographs-shared-online-931875.html)
The family of one of the boys convicted of murdering Ana Kriegel has been "forced into hiding" following the publication of photographs online identifying him, the Central Criminal Court has heard.
Representatives of Twitter and Facebook appeared at the Central Criminal Court this morning to answer charges of contempt following the publication of pictures of both boys who were convicted this week of murdering the 14-year-old schoolgirl.
It is an offence under the Children Act to publish anything that would identify the boys, who are both aged 14.
Justice Paul McDermott also made an order preventing them from being identified.
Rossa Fanning SC on behalf of Facebook Ireland Ltd told Justice Michael White that the company's Market Manager Eoin McDonald had sworn an affidavit which he handed to the court.
Andrew Fitzpatrick SC for Twitter International Company also handed an affidavit to the court.
Damien Colgan SC for Boy B told Mr Justice White that his client's family was "forced into hiding" following the publication of the boy's identity online. Andrew McKeown BL for Boy A said he had a number of screenshots taken as late as this morning to hand to the court.
Brendan Grehan SC for the Director of Public Prosecutions will make representations to Mr Justice White later this morning.
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I'm delira. the fuckin father mouthin out of him in the court after the verdict. fuckin eejit. running like a rat now.
I heard he stormed out of the court alri...didn't know he was mouthing out of him...but doesn't surprise me tbh....and what did he expect....his little fuk of a son and his pox of a sexual deviant friend put Ana's parents through an ordeal cos of their not guilty plea....not to mention the awful death that THEY inflicted on her.....
I hope they're treated like royalty in Oberstown House!!
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I'm delira. the fuckin father mouthin out of him in the court after the verdict. fuckin eejit. running like a rat now.
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/you-bunch-of-scumbagsinnocent-boy-boy-bs-father-reacts-angrily-to-guilty-verdict-931422.html (https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/you-bunch-of-scumbagsinnocent-boy-boy-bs-father-reacts-angrily-to-guilty-verdict-931422.html)
"As the courtroom began to empty out, Boy B's father shouted at gardaí: "You bunch of scumbags, you fucking pricks, innocent boy."
It was a highly emotional trial DMG, granted the father of boy B should have kept his gob closed but maybe the situation and the moment got the better of him. Fer me after following the trial in great detail and also after seeing ALL the evidence after the trial, I'm not convinced boy B should have got the guilty murder charge, I would expect him to appeal the charge. Boy A is a different story, he should never see daylight ever again.
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no there was total unnecessary ill in the stuff he said and the way he conducted himself, compared to the absolute class of the way the girl's parents conducted themselves which is what the vigilantes no doubt have zeroed in on.
that's why he's on the run now.
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and the fucking wigs that defended the little cunts should be on the run as well.
looking for manslaughter and trying to exploit technicalities and trying to pick apart the way the Gardaí questioned them and gathered evidence. the cunts.
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and the fucking wigs that defended the little cunts should be on the run as well.
looking for manslaughter and trying to exploit technicalities and trying to pick apart the way the Gardaí questioned them and gathered evidence. the cunts.
I gotta agree with that, them trying to get boy A's clothes kept out of evidence was disgusting to read.
How do they sleep at night ?
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and the fucking wigs that defended the little cunts should be on the run as well.
looking for manslaughter and trying to exploit technicalities and trying to pick apart the way the Gardaí questioned them and gathered evidence. the cunts.
I gotta agree with that, them trying to get boy A's clothes kept out of evidence was disgusting to read.
How do they sleep at night ?
I'd imagine on their big fat wallets , the cnuts
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and the fucking wigs that defended the little cunts should be on the run as well.
looking for manslaughter and trying to exploit technicalities and trying to pick apart the way the Gardaí questioned them and gathered evidence. the cunts.
I gotta agree with that, them trying to get boy A's clothes kept out of evidence was disgusting to read.
How do they sleep at night ?
I'd imagine on their big fat wallets , the cnuts
They own the most comfortable mattresses in Ireland.
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Sentencing today what will they get ? Both get Life sentences Boy A only to be released with the consent of the serving minister for justice .Boy B Oberstown till he is 18 then big jail for three or four years then released under licence.
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Sentencing today what will they get ? Both get Life sentences Boy A only to be released with the consent of the serving minister for justice .Boy B Oberstown till he is 18 then big jail for three or four years then released under licence.
No sentences being handed out today, just a sentence hearing.
15 Jul 2019 10:21
A sentencing hearing is due to take place this morning for the two teenage boys convicted of murdering 14-year-old Ana Kriégel in May last year.
The two 14-year-olds have been in detention since their convictions last month.
But their sentences are unlikely to be finalised today.
The teenagers known as Boy A and Boy B were convicted last month of murdering Ana in a derelict farmhouse in Lucan.
Boy A was also found guilty of violently sexually assaulting her.
The jury found Boy A assaulted the schoolgirl, and that Boy B lured her to the house knowing what was going to happen, watched the attack and lied afterwards.
The boys were not sentenced to the mandatory sentence of life in prison for murder because of their age.
Instead, they were remanded to Oberstown Detention Centre to allow probation reports and psychiatric reports to be prepared.
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Playing the nut job game to avoid life sentences ...The sentencing of two teenage boys for the murder of 14-year-old Ana Kriégel has been adjourned to 29 October to allow psychiatric assessments to take place.
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Playing the nut job game to avoid life sentences ...The sentencing of two teenage boys for the murder of 14-year-old Ana Kriégel has been adjourned to 29 October to allow psychiatric assessments to take place.
Dundrum for the pair of them.
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Boy B I hope gets a lenient sentence because I believe he was just a 'Patsy' easily led and manipulated by Boy A.
Boy A should be shot dead, he ain't gonna be 'Reforming' anytime soon.
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both of them should be atomic bombed.
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Boy B I hope gets a lenient sentence because I believe he was just a 'Patsy' easily led and manipulated by Boy A.
Boy A should be shot dead, he ain't gonna be 'Reforming' anytime soon.
Kid A is probably insane go to Dundrum and as soon as a doctor says he is fixed he can no longer be legally detained .Boy B is probably more guilty he was an enabeler he knew what was going to happen ,just because his tried to pass the blame on to A dont be fooled he is an evil little bollox .
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I'm Not saying that Boy B is innocent, but I think that he was manipulated and coerced by Boy A.
Boy A in my opinion is a sociopath who will re-offend shortly after his release.
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I'm Not saying that Boy B is innocent, but I think that he was manipulated and coerced by Boy A.
Boy A in my opinion is a sociopath who will re-offend shortly after his release.
Seen the poor woman today talking bout her little girl being battered....I thought it unusual that the the mother was allowed to describe the poor child's injuries on the TV.... . i was thinking wats wrong with this place? Kids being battered to death, kids strangling raping other kids, father's strangling their whole families,... And that years ago murder of children was a rare occurrence
Then I came across this article
https://www.thejournal.ie/infanticide-babies-mothers-2059732-Apr2015/ (https://www.thejournal.ie/infanticide-babies-mothers-2059732-Apr2015/)
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Kill them both with fire... ::fds
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Thought that was strange myself.
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In Morocco this week 3 men raped and otherwise abused a 10 year old boy, and hung him, leaving him there to be discovered. A video of what they did was also discovered. All three have been captured.
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I'm Not saying that Boy B is innocent, but I think that he was manipulated and coerced by Boy A.
Boy A in my opinion is a sociopath who will re-offend shortly after his release.
Seen the poor woman today talking bout her little girl being battered....I thought it unusual that the the mother was allowed to describe the poor child's injuries on the TV.... . i was thinking wats wrong with this place? Kids being battered to death, kids strangling raping other kids, father's strangling their whole families,... And that years ago murder of children was a rare occurrence
Then I came across this article
[url]https://www.thejournal.ie/infanticide-babies-mothers-2059732-Apr2015/[/url] ([url]https://www.thejournal.ie/infanticide-babies-mothers-2059732-Apr2015/[/url])
She arrived at the hospital with the young girl, whose leg was broken in 3 places.
Tusla took the child into social care.
Something doesn't add up:
Irish Examiner: Santina Cawley's mum heartbroken at thought of life her daughter won't get to live.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/santina-cawleys-mum-heartbroken-at-thought-of-life-her-daughter-wont-get-to-live-937249.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/santina-cawleys-mum-heartbroken-at-thought-of-life-her-daughter-wont-get-to-live-937249.html)
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She arrived at the hospital with the young girl, whose leg was broken in 3 places.
Tusla took the child into social care.
Something doesn't add up:
Irish Examiner: Santina Cawley's mum heartbroken at thought of life her daughter won't get to live.
[url]http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/santina-cawleys-mum-heartbroken-at-thought-of-life-her-daughter-wont-get-to-live-937249.html[/url] ([url]http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/santina-cawleys-mum-heartbroken-at-thought-of-life-her-daughter-wont-get-to-live-937249.html[/url])
I'll add it up fer ya.
Santina was taken from her mother who was a prescription drug addict by the HSE when she threw her baby daughter down the stairs at 9 months old. Santina was then placed with her father, a settled Traveller from county Clare who was in a new relationship with another woman. The New woman fer whatever reason murdered the child, but because they are all of the Ethnic minority community it is all being swept under the carpet.
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She arrived at the hospital with the young girl, whose leg was broken in 3 places.
Tusla took the child into social care.
Something doesn't add up:
Irish Examiner: Santina Cawley's mum heartbroken at thought of life her daughter won't get to live.
[url]http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/santina-cawleys-mum-heartbroken-at-thought-of-life-her-daughter-wont-get-to-live-937249.html[/url] ([url]http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/santina-cawleys-mum-heartbroken-at-thought-of-life-her-daughter-wont-get-to-live-937249.html[/url])
I'll add it up fer ya.
Santina was taken from her mother who was a prescription drug addict by the HSE when she threw her baby daughter down the stairs at 9 months old. Santina was then placed with her father, a settled Traveller from county Clare who was in a new relationship with another woman. The New woman fer whatever reason murdered the child, but because they are all of the Ethnic minority community it is all being swept under the carpet.
Dont believe it will be swept under the carpet .Garda need coroners report to say what the baby died from then they will make arrests .You cant just go around murdering people just because of their ethnisity .
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A rare bit of naivety out of you John M, the whole case has gone 'Under the Carpet' already !
Ethnic minority and all that, who wants to deal with them, and risk losing their Gov job and pension and be branded as a "Scrimiantor" ?
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Do you really believe what you are saying "its all right to batter a child to death if your a traveler "Do you not think members of the traveling community would not be offended if their childrens lives were trested as trow away ..Forensics and an autopsy then those responsible will answer for this savagery .
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I would imagine the Travellers might want to dish out their own punishment if the government don't act on this
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She arrived at the hospital with the young girl, whose leg was broken in 3 places.
Tusla took the child into social care.
Something doesn't add up:
Irish Examiner: Santina Cawley's mum heartbroken at thought of life her daughter won't get to live.
[url]http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/santina-cawleys-mum-heartbroken-at-thought-of-life-her-daughter-wont-get-to-live-937249.html[/url] ([url]http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/santina-cawleys-mum-heartbroken-at-thought-of-life-her-daughter-wont-get-to-live-937249.html[/url])
I'll add it up fer ya.
Santina was taken from her mother who was a prescription drug addict by the HSE when she threw her baby daughter down the stairs at 9 months old. Santina was then placed with her father, a settled Traveller from county Clare who was in a new relationship with another woman. The New woman fer whatever reason murdered the child, but because they are all of the Ethnic minority community it is all being swept under the carpet.
Now it makes sense.
A bit rough?
(https://i.postimg.cc/8sryx6jQ/Screenshot-20190717-131230.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/8sryx6jQ)
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No shame these people....havin the neck to go telly with her history of being the perfect parent.....maybe start the blaming with herself....her daughter wouldn't have been in care where her life was disgustingly ended had it not been for her herself,
Let the Gardai do their job.....and shut the fuk up!!
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Irish Examiner: Heartbroken mother of Santina Cawley: 'What animal could do that to a two-year-old baby?'.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/heartbroken-mother-of-santina-cawley-what-animal-could-do-that-to-a-two-year-old-baby-937094.html (http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/heartbroken-mother-of-santina-cawley-what-animal-could-do-that-to-a-two-year-old-baby-937094.html)