Irish Taxi Forum
Public Area => Taxi Talk => Topic started by: john m on June 17, 2019, 09:45:33 am
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Almost every aspect of our daily lives will be affected by a new climate strategy which will be unveiled today.
Motorists and businesses will feel the brunt of tax hikes unless they actively invest in going green. The Government plans to force petrol and diesel cars off our roads, introduce new buildings regulations and change the school curriculum in a bid to counteract climate change.
A leaked copy of the plan seen by the Irish Independent shows it has a major emphasis on the transport sector. Proposals include banning petrol and diesel cars from town centres around the country.
A car-scrappage scheme is under consideration for next year in a bid to promote a move toward electric vehicles (EVs).
Other measures include:
Phasing out oil and gas boilers.
Doubling electricity tax on businesses.
New levies on single-use plastics (similar to plastic bag tax).
Loans for retrofitting homes to be repaid through property tax.
And changes to private pensions.
The Cabinet will meet today to sign-off on the plan which is heavy on ambition but short on detail in many areas.
Richard Bruton: Climate Action Minister has put in clear timelines2
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Richard Bruton: Climate Action Minister has put in clear timelines
But Climate Action Minister Richard Bruton has attached clear timelines for when he expects decisions to be taken, particularly in relation to taxation measures overseen by the Department of Finance. Over "an appropriate period of time" the current 11c gap in the price of diesel and petrol is to be closed.
The plan recommits the Government to raising carbon tax from the current rate of €20 per tonne to €80 by 2030.
If the tax stood at €80 per tonne, based on today's prices and including Vat, a litre of petrol would be around 17c dearer and diesel 20c.
While a "congestion charge" for traffic in central Dublin has been floated in the past, this plan goes much further with a suggestion for legislation banning petrol and diesel cars from town centres altogether.
The Government hopes to "provide local authorities with the power to restrict access to certain parts of a city or town to zero-emission vehicles".
Ultimately, legislation will be introduced to ban the sale of new fossil fuel cars from 2030 and to stop granting NCTs from 2045. A series of incentives are in the pipeline for people willing to transfer to EVs, including a car-scrappage scheme. It is hoped to have a charging network capable of catering for 800,000 EVs in place by 2030.
Local authorities will have to provide 200 on-street public charges per annum.
And drivers of low-emission cars could also get cheaper parking in towns.
The potential for a car-sharing programme for towns in rural Ireland is to be assessed. The action plan also sets out an ambition that all new public buses will be electric. The National Transport Authority is to set up a 'Park and Ride Development Office' to make life easier for commuters.
Large sections of the plan deal with home construction, renovations and retrofitting. It states there is a need for a "major house retrofitting programme in the Midlands".
This is to be considered in the context of a scheme that will allow householders to take out small loans which can be repaid over time through their electricity bill or an increase in the local property tax.
Every home will have to obtain a Building Energy Rating Certificate (BER) to certify the property's efficiency by a date yet to be agreed.
In one move that could prove controversial, it is proposed all buildings undergoing a major renovation (affecting more than 25pc of the premises) must bring the rest of the building up to a minimum BER of B2.
Meanwhile, the installation of oil boilers is to be banned from 2022 and gas boilers will be outlawed from 2025 in all new dwellings. Plans will also be developed for ways of having oil and gas boilers replaced in existing homes - but no new regulations will be introduced before 2026.
Carbon tax changes will also affect how we heat our homes. By 2030, the price of a bale of briquettes will rise by around €1.60 and a 40kg bag of coal would increase well over €7 before natural inflation is factored in.
Homeowners, along with schools, farmers and industry, are to be encouraged to engage in microgeneration of electricity.
By 2021 people should be able to "sell excess electricity they produce back to the grid".
Mr Bruton is also engaging with his Cabinet colleagues on a number of initiatives that will affect the business sector. They are to consider the merits of equalising electricity tax rates for business and ordinary consumers to €1 per mega-watt hour (MWh). The report notes electricity tax applied here since October 2008 is set at the minimum rate under EU rules at 50c/MWh for business and €1 for non-business. "This is significantly lower than the EU average of €4.76 per MWh for business use and €11.30 per MWh for non-business use," it says.
The Government wants to specifically engage with "the cement and food and drink industry sectors" to identify ways they can reduce their carbon footprints.
Officials are also to explore the feasibility of allowing local authorities to link the commercial rates they charge business to their property's BER.
Another initiative involves a potential new requirement being placed on pension providers to disclose what portion of any fund is made up of fossil fuel assets.
The idea is to provide pension-holders with the option of choosing a fund that does not include fossil fuels.
There are 35 action points for agriculture, including bringing forward the Teagasc GHG Emission report and reviewing education material on climate change, agriculture and land use in second and third-level institutions.
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WHAT THE FUCK HAS PENSIONS GOT TO DO WITH THE BASTARD ENVIRONMENT (And changes to private pensions.)GET A GUN THE REVOLUTION IS STARTINGG
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I told you this on Roys site ...The Government hopes to "provide local authorities with the power to restrict access to certain parts of a city or town to zero-emission vehicles".
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RIDESHARE ..The potential for a car-sharing programme for towns in rural Ireland is to be assessed.
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Won't work . . .Can't see many rural farm wives going for rideshare
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Most of this is bolloxology if we ordered 10,000 EVs for delivery to Ireland they wouldnt be available .Its really simple Irish solution to Irish problem tax it away or insure it away .Dont believe the crap about insurance costs and the government being annoyed high insurance keeps drivers off the road and reduces emissions .Juice will go up 20c a liter to price second car owners off the road .They banned cutting turf because they couldnt tax it but you can still buy a bale of peat briquettes BUT the reason they are discussing this today is to give the Greens a hard kick in the Mickey before the next general election and let people know what the Greens stand for .
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Erm I wouldn't be reading all that and getting worried.Change happens at a snails pace in this country.I didn't buy a diesel ten years ago when I started driving the cab so why would I want that trouble now.
Diesels have a bit of time left.Dublin bus are buying new diesels right now and I'm sure there's some taxi driver plating up a brand new wheelie diesel taxi that can be used for 15 years somewhere.
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Diesel me bollox!!
John...i'm surprised at you reading that shite.....do you know how long they've been talking about putting a rail link to the airport.....
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Difference Hal is Greens might have a few seats in the next Dail if FF or FG need their votes they willadopt a Green Agenda .Our low life scum bag government have ignored emissions reductions because motorists and farmers are voters .They cant continue to ignore it or they will get huge fines from the EU .Hal outside of our own Ego Ireland is looked on as an island of drunken scumbag robbing shitheads .As soom as our big brother The Brits leave the EU then the rest are going to beat us up like school bullies .
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Ermy most of us will be getting the old age pension before any of this nonsense comes in.
The electric car thing isn't sustainable without massive improvements in grants and infrastructure.There isn't enough capacity on the grid to charge all these new leccy cars AFAIK.
And just to add I got a brand new efficient gas boiler a couple of years ago which was a bit pricey but the Solar bollox and heat pump options weren't viable.They would have taken 25 years to repay the extra outlay.Fuk that I'll be dead by then.
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That plan like every other plan will lack one vital ingredient... Action!!
They know how to impose taxes...that's the easy bit...any funds raised will disappear up Paschals hole!!
A bit like that Indian Houdini geezer....he was lowered into a river all tied up and was supposed to free himself but they can't find him......maybe his real trick was to disappear!!
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Ermy most of us will be getting the old age pension before any of this nonsense comes in.
The electric car thing isn't sustainable without massive improvements in grants and infrastructure.There isn't enough capacity on the grid to charge all these new leccy cars AFAIK.
And just to add I got a brand new efficient gas boiler a couple of years ago which was a bit pricey but the Solar bollox and heat pump options weren't viable.They would have taken 25 years to repay the extra outlay.Fuk that I'll be dead by then.
totally agree but they are coming for at least another 400 per household in hidden tax and charges .I posted on Roys about the plan to ban diesels Cuff drew it up but there was no support unlike now where the Greens hold the balance of power on the Council and might in the Dail if the Cowardly Shinners are afraid to go into coalition with somebody .
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I don't think even the hardcore environmentalers could deny a wheelchair passenger a diesel taxi.
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FG have to get re-elected first... Now that the economy is kinda recovered, past history would suggest voters will believe FF's lies and re-elect them to power.
The Dept in charge of climate change is also in charge of the oil industry. And, yes, they are still pushing oil exploration of Irish waters.
There aren't enough chargers in Ireland. On boards.ie, there's constant threads about charger-hoggers who park their car at them and go shopping for a few hours. They're always debating about the ethics of unplugging said cars.
The car companies can't make enough cars to satisfy global demand now. If every country switches over to e-cars at once, you'll be in a very long queue for your e-car.
And if China carries through on its threat to withhold 'rare earth' metals from America, the world won't be making any e-cars, or computers, or mobile phones any time soon.
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If ya wanted to visit yisser Granny in Kerry ..them Electo cars would be feck all use
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If ya wanted to visit yisser Granny in Kerry ..them Electo cars would be feck all use
The Healy Raes would pick you up and bring you the rest of the way...for a price of course!!
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BUT... seriously.. Electric has a long way to go and the price in Ireland will be high for a new car.
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It's just another version of Enda Kennys 5 point plan.....yeah..i've forgotten aswell!!
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Ye can blame all the arseholes that voted for the Green Party in defiance of who they would normally have voted for. If the established party’s had performed as the voters expected then they were sure of the vote this time around but unfortunately the establishment fucked up so that let the environmentalists in , god help us
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Ah,people have short memories....only a short 10 yrs ago the economy was goin tits up.....with the Greens at the helm...well they were tasked with rearranging the deckchairs....they couldn't even be trusted with that ffs.....as long as they don't get the seats at the next general election.
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The Sodomite Prince has told the Brits to fuck off but we import a lot of electricity from Britain so part of the Fuck Off will mean tarriffs on imports like Electricity then he wants to build Data Centeres that use more electricity than Galway City .Another great idea to fuel the country with electricity wee dont have or dont have the capacity to generate .
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If they want 1 million Electric cars on the road by 2030 that means that every car sold between now and then would have to be a electric as we currently sell 120,000 cars a year.
Electric cars aren’t all the “GREEN” that people think, there’s the mining of the minerals and materials for the vehicles and then there’s the creating of the electricity to charge them.
Now if every car was to be electric by 2030 they need to upgrade the electricity supply network in Ireland as the current network wouldn’t cope with all the extra demand and also there would have to be charging points every 50 meters in cities and town and then every 50 kms outside cities and towns.
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I will buy one no problem, even if the fuel price goes up 50c or 80c. Because they are getting more efficient every generation. an ev car wouldn't last the miles I throw up 40k to 60k per year sure the guarantee for some is 200,000k or eight years which ever comes first. At least if your engine blows you can rebuilt or get a second hand one for a grand or two.
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I will buy one no problem, even if the fuel price goes up 50c or 80c. Because they are getting more efficient every generation. an ev car wouldn't last the miles I throw up 40k to 60k per year sure the guarantee for some is 200,000k or eight years which ever comes first. At least if your engine blows you can rebuilt or get a second hand one for a grand or two.
Check the small print, possibly us Taxi scum might be excluded from the warranties !!
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I will buy one no problem, even if the fuel price goes up 50c or 80c. Because they are getting more efficient every generation. an ev car wouldn't last the miles I throw up 40k to 60k per year sure the guarantee for some is 200,000k or eight years which ever comes first. At least if your engine blows you can rebuilt or get a second hand one for a grand or two.
Check the small print, possibly us Taxi scum might be excluded from the warranties !!
They can't do that.....but as a taxi it'll reach the warranty kilometerage a lot quicker and if something does go wrong you'll be at the mercy of the dealer!
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I will buy one no problem, even if the fuel price goes up 50c or 80c. Because they are getting more efficient every generation. an ev car wouldn't last the miles I throw up 40k to 60k per year sure the guarantee for some is 200,000k or eight years which ever comes first. At least if your engine blows you can rebuilt or get a second hand one for a grand or two.
Check the small print, possibly us Taxi scum might be excluded from the warranties !!
They can't do that.....but as a taxi it'll reach the warranty kilometerage a lot quicker and if something does go wrong you'll be at the mercy of the dealer!
Hal, not so sure, we are either covered under the warranty conditions or not, I don't believe the dealer has a say
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Of course it'll be covered under warranty regardless,i'm just saying as a taxi it'll reach the warranty mileage a lot quicker than a privately owned EV,if something goes wrong when it's out of warranty you'll probably need to bring it back to them to sort it out.
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The evs are not fit for industrial use ie, taxis. Ya here the stories of high mileage teslas but then in the middle of that story they said they had to change out a motor or battery pack maybe, door handles or the screen thing on the dash because the LCD gel started to leak out. Or water was getting in. And its months and months of waiting for repairs. A guy in the states has a model 3, he reversed it into his garage he caught the left side of it broke the rear light misaligned the bumper but the way it was constructed one part connected to another its going to cost over 12,000 dollars. It happened to me a few years back in me C5 down a dead road in the evening in winter pure dark tried to turn I hit a skip right light cluster smashed the bumper broke a clip. Got a second hand light cluster and sorted the clip myself all for €65.