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Public Area => Taxi Talk => Topic started by: Dr. Martin Gooter Bling on July 02, 2019, 11:32:27 pm
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https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/appeal-against-decision-not-to-grant-taxi-licence-fails-934385.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/appeal-against-decision-not-to-grant-taxi-licence-fails-934385.html)
A man has failed in his appeal against a decision by a senior garda not to grant him a taxi licence after a court heard he had not fully disclosed previous convictions when making the initial application.
The solicitor for Tom Tanner, of Granagoleen, near Clonakilty, Co Cork, told Clonakilty District Court that the offences were of a minor road traffic nature and should not mean he cannot secure a licence.
Mr Tanner, 53, told Judge James McNulty that he was seeking the small vehicle PSV licence as he had been offered a job with a taxi firm in Kinsale and needed to earn a living to pay his mortgage and help pay for his children to attend college.
However, Chief Supt Con Cadogan of the Cork West Division told the court that he had turned down Mr Tanner’s application because he did not believe he was a suitable person to hold such a licence. He cited previous convictions and the fact that not all of those convictions had been disclosed by Mr Tanner in his initial application.
Chief Supt Cadogan said Mr Tanner had made his application last November. Under the Taxi Regulation Act the Chief Supt is the issuing authority for the area and he said he had turned down the application based on Mr Tanner’s previous convictions, referring to a 2013 conviction for crossing a continuous white line, a 2011 conviction for speeding, a 2004 conviction for driving without reasonable consideration, and a 2001 conviction for drink-driving. The court heard that only the drink-driving conviction was disclosed on Mr Tanner’s application.
“It is my firm belief that Mr Tanner does not meet the criteria,” said Chief Supt Cadogan.
Mr Tanner told the judge he did not realise that he had been convicted of two of the offences cited by Chief Supt Cadogan and that, in 35 years of driving, he had never had an accident. He said he was currently working transporting blood samples and his solicitor, Ray Hennessy, said his client’s previous convictions were of a minor nature.
Tuesday, July 02, 2019 - 11:12 PM
A man has failed in his appeal against a decision by a senior garda not to grant him a taxi licence after a court heard he had not fully disclosed previous convictions when making the initial application.
The solicitor for Tom Tanner, of Granagoleen, near Clonakilty, Co Cork, told Clonakilty District Court that the offences were of a minor road traffic nature and should not mean he cannot secure a licence.
Mr Tanner, 53, told Judge James McNulty that he was seeking the small vehicle PSV licence as he had been offered a job with a taxi firm in Kinsale and needed to earn a living to pay his mortgage and help pay for his children to attend college.
However, Chief Supt Con Cadogan of the Cork West Division told the court that he had turned down Mr Tanner’s application because he did not believe he was a suitable person to hold such a licence. He cited previous convictions and the fact that not all of those convictions had been disclosed by Mr Tanner in his initial application.
Chief Supt Cadogan said Mr Tanner had made his application last November. Under the Taxi Regulation Act the Chief Supt is the issuing authority for the area and he said he had turned down the application based on Mr Tanner’s previous convictions, referring to a 2013 conviction for crossing a continuous white line, a 2011 conviction for speeding, a 2004 conviction for driving without reasonable consideration, and a 2001 conviction for drink-driving. The court heard that only the drink-driving conviction was disclosed on Mr Tanner’s application.
“It is my firm belief that Mr Tanner does not meet the criteria,” said Chief Supt Cadogan.
Mr Tanner told the judge he did not realise that he had been convicted of two of the offences cited by Chief Supt Cadogan and that, in 35 years of driving, he had never had an accident. He said he was currently working transporting blood samples and his solicitor, Ray Hennessy, said his client’s previous convictions were of a minor nature.
Judge McNulty said Mr Tanner had one serious conviction dating from 2001 and others that, while not in the serious category, were not in the minor category either. He refused the appeal.
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Selling white lines isn't a barrier to taxi drivers.
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Fukkin gas there is orher cunts out with much more seriousrecords and they are still driving taxis
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fair play to them refusing him a licence, he's not suitable to be driving a taxi. anyone with convictions for drink driving and dangerous driving isn't the kind of person you want dropping you or your family home.
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Honestly looking at when these motoring offences occurred it does seem a little bit harsh.
How long is it to held against you for crossing a white line in 2013, Speeding in 2011, driving without reasonable consideration in 2004 and drunk driving in 2001.
Not so sure the insurance companies would take any of the above into consideration considering when they happened.
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Sounds like a personal vendetta.....
Funny how a bloke from calcutta wit the mental age of a gibbon who fondled 3 yung ladies was told to keep his hands to himself by a judge and told to continue workin but this poor cnut crossed a continuous white line( i didn't know they had them down the bog) and gets barred...... Sounds like somebody was havin a bit of slap an tickle wit the guardys
Misses or sumtin
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a 2011 conviction for speeding - not in the serious category? - for someone who wants to drive folk for reward, madness.
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Speeding and crossing white lines are the norm for cabbies.
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Speeding and crossing white lines are the norm for cabbies.
A rite of passage...one might say!!
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Madness that An Garda Siochana renew licences for drivers with penalty points.
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When I think of the guy who wrote my car off in a crash, who then went on to kill a Solicitor by knocking him off his bike, and he's still driving.
Former armed robbers still driving,
Murder suspects,
Sex Offenders,
Drug dealers, Drug mules,
Drink/Drug drivers,
Even the Monk got a SPSV!
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When I think of the guy who wrote my car off in a crash, who then went on to kill a Solicitor by knocking him off his bike, and he's still driving.
Former armed robbers still driving,
Murder suspects,
Sex Offenders,
Drug dealers, Drug mules,
Drink/Drug drivers,
Even the Monk got a SPSV!
Maybe apart from the sex offenders and murderers need an outlet to launder their money...oh and then they would have to be a drain rely on the state to support them...which they're probably already doin.
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When I think of the guy who wrote my car off in a crash, who then went on to kill a Solicitor by knocking him off his bike, and he's still driving.
Former armed robbers still driving,
Murder suspects,
Sex Offenders,
Drug dealers, Drug mules,
Drink/Drug drivers,
Even the Monk got a SPSV!
Pigs don't like porkies! If he'd told the truth, I reckon he'd have gotten the licence.
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People have been done for speeding, careless driving, using a phone while driving etc. Paid the fine but never consider it criminal .
And that's just Taxi drivers.
As Watty says, not mentioning traffic offences, and probably having a history with the Cops wouldn't help.
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As Octy says re the personal vendetta....there's something else at play for the super to refuse him.....maybe he's had a few run ins with numerous Gardai
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As Octy says re the personal vendetta....there's something else at play for the super to refuse him.....maybe he's had a few run ins with numerous Gardai
you could be right, anyone i know with numerous similar convictions are absolute filth that aren't at all suitable to drive a taxi, lads who wouldn't think twice before punching a customer who argues the cost of the fare, they are also know to the Police for all sorts of offences and not liked by them.
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What ever happened to Alan Kellys proposal years ago that anyone with a serious conviction would be removed from the industry ?
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The Gardai don't bother. To be fair, when they do they're generally challenged in Court - often by the very unions who called for the removal of (immigrant) criminals.
It should be straightforward and simple... the existence of any penalty points on one's normal driving licence should preclude issue or renewal of a SPSV licence.
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The Gardai don't bother. To be fair, when they do they're generally challenged in Court - often by the very unions who called for the removal of (immigrant) criminals.
It should be straightforward and simple... the existence of any penalty points on one's normal driving licence should preclude issue or renewal of a SPSV licence.
Bit Harsh, I'm clean on the Points front at the moment , if this was implemented there would be a lot less taxis on the streets.
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... and the roads would be a lot safer.
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Rat, the law of the land surely supersedes the Taxi Regulator. The current ruling is:
"Any driver accumulating 12 penalty points within any given three-year period will be automatically disqualified from driving for six months"
Surely that would be enuf to argue against being denied your licence if you had up to 12 points
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That's your driving licence not your SPSV driving licence. It makes no sense to allow someone with penalty points drive folk for reward. If my proposal were adopted, perhaps with a 3 year lead in, there would be an immediate increase in adherence to the rules of the road on the part of SPSV drivers.
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Discrimination against Taxi Driver's I Say.
I do think the industry needs to be cleaned up (remember the 180) but stopping a guy from earning a crust for sumtin simple like crossing a white line is going a bit too far.
They would have to start by looking at everybody's records. Don't know how they would check up on our African cousins though
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We don't bring much to the table in terms of skill. The ability to operate a motor car in accordance with the rules of the road ought to be a minimum requirement. Under existing legislation a person ought not be considered fit to hold a SPSV licence if he has acquired penalty points. However, a 3 year lead in would negate the need to assess driving offences from other jurisdictions provided holding an Irish licence for at least 3 years were made a precondition to issue or renewal (actually in law there is no such thing as "renewal") of a SPSV licence.
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So get rid of the poor taxi driver for penalty points but allow the stupid private motorist motor on if they have accumulated any :'(
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The poor (ex) taxi driver could continue as an amateur private motorist until his points expire at which point he may reapply for a SPSV driving licence. However, with a 3 year lead in anyone who falls victim would only have himself to blame. It's hardly unreasonable to expect "professional" drivers to obey the rules of the road.
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As Octy says re the personal vendetta....there's something else at play for the super to refuse him.....maybe he's had a few run ins with numerous Gardai
A loose cannon perhaps.....
If I had me way ide offer felons castration in lue of time inside so they don't produce more cnuts...
Thieves and drug dealers... Just their goolies....
Rapists.... The mickey as well....the root an everything .
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The poor (ex) taxi driver could continue as an amateur private motorist until his points expire at which point he may reapply for a SPSV driving licence. However, with a 3 year lead in anyone who falls victim would only have himself to blame. It's hardly unreasonable to expect "professional" drivers to obey the rules of the road.
As you know ratti I'm in total agreement with yu regarding speed limits and operate my motor vehicle at the highest professional level possible but ther are blokes out there from Bangladesh, calcutta, Afghanistan, turbinsville, who only a couple of years ago we'r drivin donkey carts and haven't a fukin clue what a speed limit is or a white line or a no left turn sigh or a turn left only lane is or a rank isn't a fukin place to park while yu go for a wank in Starbucks... These cnuts ain't even legal after marrying sum prostitute in Latvia...... It would seem the bar was lowered by the government to appease their European overseers....many years ago and your insistence at adhering to high standards cud make yiu an object of ridicule and derision
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The immigrants would have to meet the same standards as us though so they'd have to learn the rules of the road pretty sharpish or get another menial job.
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The immigrants would have to meet the same standards as us though so they'd have to learn the rules of the road pretty sharpish or get another menial job.
Are you the next Brendan Grace...or wha?
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The trouble with the rat race is that even if you win, you're still a rat
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The poor (ex) taxi driver could continue as an amateur private motorist until his points expire at which point he may reapply for a SPSV driving licence. However, with a 3 year lead in anyone who falls victim would only have himself to blame. It's hardly unreasonable to expect "professional" drivers to obey the rules of the road.
You should bracket Professional with question marks rather than quotation marks.
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I call the taxi " business "..... the mobile dole.... That would appear to be the way the authorities treat it..
many are unemployable... Myself included as I'm a misfit on account of my aspergers
...there maybe methods to ther madness tho as it wud keep criminal types from robbin people's gaffs and bicycles if they make a few bob driving taxis .... Another ting about employing criminal sociopaths is..... They work anywhere..... They have no fear and may even enjoy getting into fisty cuffs and argy bargy with Scum....
I myself abhor violence and refrain from engaging with gick off the street.....but it's a positive ting to have plenty of hard men driving taxis to keep the scum in line and behaving themselves......
Wat I don't agree with is jihadies and isis
Working the streets of my country.... And if half the immigrant can get a false marriage passport..... Then you can be absolutely certain we have a fair few Alan the acrobat disciples in our midst .....
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It should be straightforward and simple... the existence of any penalty points on one's normal driving licence should preclude issue or renewal of a SPSV licence.
I don't ever see that happening, but what I would like to see is fer us professional drivers to have the same Six penalty points and your Off fer 6 months, which is the same fer Learner and Novice drivers.
Currently Learner, Novice and Professional drivers have a 2ML of whatever to be under the drink driving limit, while the layman with a full licence has 5ML of whatever to be under the limit.
Why not make them both the same ?
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People say that if you accumulate 12 penalty points your off the road.realistically its 6 points and your off the road. You try getting an insurance quote with 6.or more points,and you'll be lucky.I dont know why the law says 12 when you cannot get a quote with 6
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I'd agree with that, Ken... except it's 7 points not 6 for learner/novice drivers which is effectively 9 I guess.
You can't shop around as much with 6+ points DM but your current insurer will still quote with a small surcharge. They should increase all policies by €1,270 per penalty point and use the resulting surplus to reduce premiums for competent drivers.
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Was it not the fact that he didn’t disclose the convictions/offenses on his application?? If he is unable to tell the truth what kind of person is he
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People say that if you accumulate 12 penalty points your off the road.realistically its 6 points and your off the road. You try getting an insurance quote with 6.or more points,and you'll be lucky.I dont know why the law says 12 when you cannot get a quote with 6
That's a load of Bollix 'Rank' talk DM, It's not true, I'll give it to you Chapter and Verse if nessacary ?
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Was it not the fact that he didn’t disclose the convictions/offenses on his application?? If he is unable to tell the truth what kind of person is he
A Taxi driver ? rofl
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I'd agree with that, Ken... except it's 7 points not 6 for learner/novice drivers which is effectively 9 I guess.
I wouldn't agree, I got 1 point many years back fer entering a roundabout illegally, in reality I should have been given the 'Death sentence', fer stoopidly following a motorbike guard who was legally on the roundabout and I followed him illegally off a side road.
DOH !
So it's 7 and your Off fer L and N plates.
A year on now since 4th July 2018 and I am still PP Free !