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Public Area => Taxi Talk => Topic started by: john m on October 01, 2019, 04:48:33 pm

Title: electric cars
Post by: john m on October 01, 2019, 04:48:33 pm
Saw an AA van this morning it was an emergency electric vehicle recharging van .They must be as dodgy as fuck if you cant rely on the milage remaining shown on the dials .Any feedback on anybody driving one as a taxi .In traffic like todays with headlights and heater on stuck in traffic range angsiety would be fairly high .
Title: Re: electric cars
Post by: Rat Catcher on October 01, 2019, 07:19:24 pm
Diesels might get cheaper in the budget:

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/budget-2020-tax-proposals-could-make-for-cheaper-diesel-cars-1.4034356 (https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/budget-2020-tax-proposals-could-make-for-cheaper-diesel-cars-1.4034356)

Budget 2020: Tax proposals could make for cheaper diesel cars

Models from Ford, Hyundai, Skoda, BMW, and VW would see reductions in VRT rates

Mon, Sep 30, 2019, 04:45
Neil Briscoe

Several popular new diesel cars could end up being more affordable after the budget if the Government’s Tax Strategy Group proposals are adopted, according to an internal paper prepared for a car company.

The Government is believed to be trying to balance a desire to increase taxes on conventional cars, especially diesels, in order to encourage buyers to move towards hybrid and electric vehicles, but are wary of a backlash from motorists, especially with a general election likely in the coming months.

At the same time a new EU testing regime – known as WLTP – is being rolled out, aimed at giving vehicles more realistic CO2 ratings. Due to WLTP, new cars will fall into higher tax bands unless the tax regime is adjusted.

According to the car company’s report, which has been seen by The Irish Times, under new VRT bands proposed by the tax strategy group, and taking into account the new WLTP emissions ratings for these vehicles, models from Ford, Hyundai, Skoda, BMW and Volkswagen would ultimately see reductions in their VRT rates of 1-2½ per cent.

The cars identified in the report are strong-selling models, accounting for more than 5,000 new car sales so far this year.

For example a Skoda Octavia 1.6 TDI Ambition has a CO2 emissions rating of 107g/km as measured under the outgoing NEDC2 system. That places it in the 16 per cent VRT band.

Under the new WLTP regime its CO2 emissions rating rises to 125g/km. If the tax strategy group changes are adopted it would move to a new lower band with a 15 per cent rate. So under the new system the Octavia diesel would work out roughly €200 cheaper than at present in terms of VRT.

Alongside changes to the VRT regime, the tax strategy group proposes replacing the current 1 per cent surcharge on diesel cars with a tax on nitrogen oxide (NOx) emissions.

Diesel engines are generally higher in NOx emissions than petrol cars. NOx has been blamed for causing a public health crisis across the world, triggering cases of respiratory illness, and is the emission at the centre of the so-called Dieselgate scandal.

The proposed charges are €5-€15 per milligram of NOx. If it’s charged at the €5 rate, the overall cost works out about the same as that for the current 1 per cent diesel levy, but at €15 it would add €780 to the price at purchase time. Clearly, the key to making diesel cars less popular, if that is the Government’s ambition, is to charge the NOx tax at the highest possible rate.

Brussels-based environmental pressure group Transport & Environment said the Government should hold off on making changes.

Julia Poliscanova, the group’s clean vehicles and e-mobility director, said: “Carmakers manipulate the new test to artificially inflate their emissions now and cheat future CO2 targets.

Governments should resist the pressure and continue to base their tax systems on the old NEDC test until 2021.”
Title: Re: electric cars
Post by: mercenary for hire on October 01, 2019, 07:43:08 pm
This is good I suppose.Electric cars aren't readily available apart from the Nissan Leaf.There's a waiting list for the KIA E Niro and manufacturers are taking advantage by increasing the prices.
Title: Re: electric cars
Post by: john m on October 01, 2019, 09:10:11 pm
Electric is the future there is not 1 windmill in Ireland that shows a profit if you remove the subsidy .
Title: Re: electric cars
Post by: Smccartn on October 03, 2019, 04:05:34 pm
Driving a Nissan Leaf since January as a taxi.  Absolutely no range anxiety.  Love the car best move I ever made.  It’s paying for itself.  Old car Renault Megan €150 on diesel per week new car €12 / €15 on electricity for similar range.
Title: Re: electric cars
Post by: Tony on October 03, 2019, 04:19:25 pm
Its a pity they are so small and ugly looking, but not as gay as a prius.
Title: Re: electric cars
Post by: silverbullet on October 03, 2019, 08:44:35 pm
Driving a Nissan Leaf since January as a taxi.  Absolutely no range anxiety.  Love the car best move I ever made.  It’s paying for itself.  Old car Renault Megan €150 on diesel per week new car €12 / €15 on electricity for similar range.
Good move.
Let the diesel drivers piss off Greta.
Title: Re: electric cars
Post by: Rat Catcher on October 03, 2019, 09:20:06 pm
Does the home charger meter usage, SMcC?
Title: Re: electric cars
Post by: Smccartn on October 04, 2019, 12:27:22 am
What do you mean RC?
Title: Re: electric cars
Post by: Tony on October 04, 2019, 05:22:32 am
Do you change it at home
Title: Re: electric cars
Post by: mercenary for hire on October 04, 2019, 08:50:36 am
I think they're a nice car it's just that for the money I'd have to spend compared to another Prius I'd need to be getting at least 8 years out of one to make the fuel savings pay.That's a long time for an electric taxi to last on it's original battery.

I've rebuilt my own Prius battery but a Leaf battery is probably too big to fix at home in the front garden.
Title: Re: electric cars
Post by: Rat Catcher on October 04, 2019, 10:54:06 am
What do you mean RC?

Does the home charging point tell you how much electricity it has used so you can calculate an appropriate allocation to motor expenses or do you just allocate your entire household electricity bill to motor expenses based on the fact that you need the electricity for the car and hence to work and any other (domestic) usage is merely incidental... obviously as an environmentalist you'd live off grid if you didn't have to charge the car!
Title: Re: electric cars
Post by: stonethecrows on October 04, 2019, 11:25:45 am
What do you mean RC?

Does the home charging point tell you how much electricity it has used so you can calculate an appropriate allocation to motor expenses or do you just allocate your entire household electricity bill to motor expenses based on the fact that you need the electricity for the car and hence to work and any other (domestic) usage is merely incidental... obviously as an environmentalist you'd live off grid if you didn't have to charge the car!
That would be dishonest Rat , don't think your accountant could justify it !
I Mean the Entire Lecky Bill
Title: Re: electric cars
Post by: Shallowhal on October 04, 2019, 11:29:16 am
What do you mean RC?

Does the home charging point tell you how much electricity it has used so you can calculate an appropriate allocation to motor expenses or do you just allocate your entire household electricity bill to motor expenses based on the fact that you need the electricity for the car and hence to work and any other (domestic) usage is merely incidental... obviously as an environmentalist you'd live off grid if you didn't have to charge the car!

Good point that.....i'll be chatting with my accountant soon,gonna ask her if Revenue have given an allowance in such cases and SMcC should be asking the same of his accountant for his returns next year.
Title: Re: electric cars
Post by: stonethecrows on October 04, 2019, 12:23:04 pm
Just seen a Leaf (Plugged In) clamped at a charging point in Fitzwilliam Street, he'll get a SHOCK when he comes back  rofl
Title: Re: electric cars
Post by: Smccartn on October 04, 2019, 12:30:23 pm
It’s fairly straight forward, the unit I have Zappi gives you a daily/weekly/monthly/yearly usage rate so easy to calculate for tax returns.


Does the home charging point tell you how much electricity it has used so you can calculate an appropriate allocation to motor expenses or do you just allocate your entire household electricity bill to motor expenses based on the fact that you need the electricity for the car and hence to work and any other (domestic) usage is merely incidental... obviously as an environmentalist you'd live off grid if you didn't have to charge the car!
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Title: Re: electric cars
Post by: Rat Catcher on October 04, 2019, 12:32:46 pm
That's what I wanted to know, thanks.
Title: Re: electric cars
Post by: mercenary for hire on October 04, 2019, 12:44:19 pm
Hey Smcartan have you noticed any battery degradation yet, and what's your mileage so far?It's supposed to happen but some cars lose more range than others.
Title: Re: electric cars
Post by: Smccartn on October 04, 2019, 02:04:19 pm
no degradation as of yet,  still have the full ten bars. I have 34500KL on the clock have it since January, one service so far and a set price of €129.
Title: Re: electric cars
Post by: mercenary for hire on October 04, 2019, 02:06:44 pm
Ok nice one hope it serves you for a long time Smc. I'd say it's nice and quiet inside.
Title: Re: electric cars
Post by: Shallowhal on October 04, 2019, 03:18:53 pm
Yeah,nice one SMcC...thanks for the info!!
Title: Re: electric cars
Post by: Vikkiz on October 04, 2019, 08:28:35 pm
What do you mean RC?

Does the home charging point tell you how much electricity it has used so you can calculate an appropriate allocation to motor expenses or do you just allocate your entire household electricity bill to motor expenses based on the fact that you need the electricity for the car and hence to work and any other (domestic) usage is merely incidental... obviously as an environmentalist you'd live off grid if you didn't have to charge the car!
If you have a website and use it for potential customers to contact you and you use your laptop at home you can put some of your electricity bills and your broadband bills off your taxes, so I was told