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Title: Border required on the Irish Sea?
Post by: The Liffey Lip on February 19, 2020, 09:19:47 am
Where will they go, I wonder?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/uk-to-close-borders-to-non-english-speakers-and-unskilled-workers-1.4178327 (https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/uk-to-close-borders-to-non-english-speakers-and-unskilled-workers-1.4178327)
Title: Re: Border required on the Irish Sea?
Post by: Shallowhal on February 19, 2020, 12:10:15 pm
At least we have Bruce Heller in customs to stop all them unwanted......"here's me badge buddy"
Title: Re: Border required on the Irish Sea?
Post by: john m on February 19, 2020, 12:21:59 pm
There will be no border in the Irish sea Leo will get Quinn to build a wall .The Good Friday allows any Irish Passport Holder work or reside in the UK its a loophole that means come to Ireland and qualify for an Irish Passport then fuck off and live in Britain .The way to plug that loophole is a United Ireland and the UK can Dump the North and it wont be part of the UK so the dual residency freedom of movement crap goes with the United Ireland .900,000 new Irish passports issued over the Last 3 years how many holders are already in the UK ?
Title: Re: Border required on the Irish Sea?
Post by: The Liffey Lip on February 19, 2020, 12:36:05 pm
1998 SF Ard Fhéis............"Open Borders". The Greens 2 yrs ago........."We need 10 million people living here".... rofl
Title: Re: Border required on the Irish Sea?
Post by: john m on February 19, 2020, 12:41:07 pm
1998 SF Ard Fhéis............"Open Borders". The Greens 2 yrs ago........."We need 10 million people living here".... rofl

So we become a feeder nation for British Industry We educate them then export them to the UK production line like we did in the 50s 60s 70s .AH THE GOOD OLD DAYS .
Title: Re: Border required on the Irish Sea?
Post by: The Liffey Lip on February 19, 2020, 12:43:19 pm
In reverse actually.........we're asking for people to come in and not work.
Title: Re: Border required on the Irish Sea?
Post by: dalymount on February 19, 2020, 01:09:45 pm
Did yis not see what the brits have said only today ? No visas issued to low skilled ,or none english speaki g  I posted it under no visas
Title: Re: Border required on the Irish Sea?
Post by: john m on February 19, 2020, 01:13:52 pm
Did yis not see what the brits have said only today ? No visas issued to low skilled ,or none english speaki g  I posted it under no visas

So Indians .Australians,Irish Most educated Europeans ,half of Africans .Half the World speaks English so who exactly has been banned its window dressing Dollyer for the Gobshites who voted Brexit you know the unemployable cunt who thinks he will still be unemployed but the Dole will be higher .
Title: Re: Border required on the Irish Sea?
Post by: dalymount on February 19, 2020, 01:44:17 pm
Well its nice to a country putting a stop to exploitation of low skilled workers who are preparedto undercut the british workforce by working for HALF the legal minimum wage
Title: Re: Border required on the Irish Sea?
Post by: mercenary for hire on February 19, 2020, 01:48:20 pm
It's more likely they're trying to deter all them refugees and migrants in France from crossing the channel illegally.It's costing them a fortune to run patrols in in the channel.Guess where they're coming to instead?
Title: Re: Border required on the Irish Sea?
Post by: dalymount on February 19, 2020, 02:18:54 pm
Yes ,probably a bit of both.but the british government  only this morning told the employers to sick it up,which is a clear admission they were exploiting low skilled foreign workers who were working for buttons.the very same thing is happening here where the government are encouraging low skilled foreign workers to come here in breeach of the law
Title: Re: Border required on the Irish Sea?
Post by: dalymount on February 19, 2020, 03:42:25 pm
The scumbags in the north are up in arms now against the brits new immigration policy where thete will. E no visas issued to low skilled workers,or none english speaking workers.its painfully obvious the REAL reason they are upset is ,they can no longet avail of cheap imported labour.how dare these cunts  moan they practically admit they pay buttons in the hospitality industry,the construction industry,and other similar jobs.this is illegal not to pay the correct LEGAL minimum wage,and everyone seems to have lost sight of that,including the irish government who actually ENCOURAGE migrant workers to come here in the full knowledge they are not being paid the correct rate of pay.the trade union movement ALSO  know it,but have said fukk all about it either
Title: Re: Border required on the Irish Sea?
Post by: john m on February 19, 2020, 04:01:15 pm
Jasus Dollymount did they remove your brainstem when they rebored your pump .Your over thinking this .Define Low skilled .Its all window dressing Big Dommos English Cousin Big Domonick has 9 kids they all wear tracksuits and football jerseys drink White Lightning Cider claim the Dole get their rent paid breed like Guiney Pigs .Sir Nathaniel Giggington Smyth ownes an Orchard near By he employs hundreds of seasonal workers from Europe to pick Apples Dommos Kin are not going to do that .Watch how they interpret seasonal workers and Low Skilled .What they mean is they wont pay the dole unless you have worked a full year and you cant work a full year unless you have skills .Employers will just close for two weeks a year and dismiss the staff then re employ them breaking their service .Up in Norn Eireann do you think the Community Workers will be advising the Derry Girls to sign off and go work in catering or Cabbage Drill thinning .Will they Bollox .Unemployed from Uxbridge is delighted that Foreigners wont be coming to take his job until he realizes that his job means he actually has to work .The British Defense League or Combat 18 will be up in arms when they realize the foreigners no longer do their jobs for them .
Title: Re: Border required on the Irish Sea?
Post by: Vikkiz on February 19, 2020, 04:09:58 pm
There will be no border in the Irish sea Leo will get Quinn to build a wall .The Good Friday allows any Irish Passport Holder work or reside in the UK its a loophole that means come to Ireland and qualify for an Irish Passport then fuck off and live in Britain .The way to plug that loophole is a United Ireland and the UK can Dump the North and it wont be part of the UK so the dual residency freedom of movement crap goes with the United Ireland .900,000 new Irish passports issued over the Last 3 years how many holders are already in the UK ?
What about the British Citizens(rejects) that reside in Norn Iron? Would they be forced to become “Oirish” or whatever the joined up country might be called OR be compensated for having to move to the “UK”
Title: Re: Border required on the Irish Sea?
Post by: dalymount on February 19, 2020, 04:14:25 pm
John
Is there such a thing as a minimum rate of pay ?
Is it applicable to all workers who qualify for it ?
Is it illegal for an employer not to pay it  ?-
If the answer is yes to the above,then employers are breaking the law if they dont respect it.
Title: Re: Border required on the Irish Sea?
Post by: john m on February 19, 2020, 04:17:58 pm
There will be no border in the Irish sea Leo will get Quinn to build a wall .The Good Friday allows any Irish Passport Holder work or reside in the UK its a loophole that means come to Ireland and qualify for an Irish Passport then fuck off and live in Britain .The way to plug that loophole is a United Ireland and the UK can Dump the North and it wont be part of the UK so the dual residency freedom of movement crap goes with the United Ireland .900,000 new Irish passports issued over the Last 3 years how many holders are already in the UK ?
What about the British Citizens(rejects) that reside in Norn Iron? Would they be forced to become “Oirish” or whatever the joined up country might be called OR be compensated for having to move to the “UK”

Brits wouldnt give a fuck Norn Eireann is a barrier to Brexit if it suits them they will dump it .The real reason they hold on to it is the same one they hold on to the Falklands If you draw two straight lines from the edges of the British Part of Ireland straight up to the north pole then Britain have a teritorial claim on that part of the arctic .
Title: Re: Border required on the Irish Sea?
Post by: dalymount on February 19, 2020, 04:18:29 pm
The ICTU are well aware there are people working here in our restraunts,hotels,cafes,etc working for WELL below the minimum rate,yet they have not uttered one word in condemnation of this utter exploitation of these people
Title: Re: Border required on the Irish Sea?
Post by: john m on February 19, 2020, 04:20:45 pm
John
Is there such a thing as a minimum rate of pay ?
Is it applicable to all workers who qualify for it ?
Is it illegal for an employer not to pay it  ?-
If the answer is yes to the above,then employers are breaking the law if they dont respect it.

See there you go again not understanding .Are the Brits banning Self Employed people coming to pick Fruit ?The new rules only apply to EMPLOYERS .Are self employed people in Britain entitled to Claim Welfare .
Title: Re: Border required on the Irish Sea?
Post by: john m on February 19, 2020, 04:25:57 pm
The ICTU are well aware there are people working here in our restraunts,hotels,cafes,etc working for WELL below the minimum rate,yet they have not uttered one word in condemnation of this utter exploitation of these people
I doubt there are many if any people working for less than minimum wage in this country .If you have evidence post it or is this the same as African Rapist Taxi Drivers and Muslim terrorists .All bollox .
Title: Re: Border required on the Irish Sea?
Post by: dalymount on February 19, 2020, 04:44:39 pm
No John,its not bollox.do you not remember the infamous Irish ferries incident years ago .that set a precedent for employers at the time,and its still going on to this day.do you seriously believe all foreign workers here are being the correct rate ?
Title: Re: Border required on the Irish Sea?
Post by: john m on February 19, 2020, 04:50:20 pm
No John,its not bollox.do you not remember the infamous Irish ferries incident years ago .that set a precedent for employers at the time,and its still going on to this day.do you seriously believe all foreign workers here are being the correct rate ?

Again your confused .Irish Ferries was a Philipino registered company and they met the Standards of the country their employees were employed in .The Minimum wage only applies to workers employed in this state are you suggesting that seafarers should be on flexi rate and paid the rate of the country in which waters they are sailing .Should they clock in and out as they cross time zones .Hard cases make bad examples .Try again .
Title: Re: Border required on the Irish Sea?
Post by: john m on February 19, 2020, 05:02:48 pm
The ICTU are well aware there are people working here in our restraunts,hotels,cafes,etc working for WELL below the minimum rate,yet they have not uttered one word in condemnation of this utter exploitation of these people

Dont get me started on Unions .They insisted on breaks for Miners who hit Donkeys with sticks to make them move faster but wouldnt look for a drink of water for the Donkey who was doing most of the Work .
Title: Re: Border required on the Irish Sea?
Post by: dalymount on February 19, 2020, 05:11:46 pm
So if what you say is correct that Irish ferries were outside our,jurisdiction at the time and the minimum rate did not apply ,why was there mass protest about it by ICTU ,the only one they ever organised to protect the welfare of low paid workers who were beinh exploited.as far as I remember one wonam  in particular was the subject of this protest,and she was awarded a large sum of money in compensation
Title: Re: Border required on the Irish Sea?
Post by: john m on February 19, 2020, 05:15:17 pm
So if what you say is correct that Irish ferries were outside our,jurisdiction at the time and the minimum rate did not apply ,why was there mass protest about it by ICTU ,the only one they ever organised to protect the welfare of low paid workers who were beinh exploited.as far as I remember one wonam  in particular was the subject of this protest,and she was awarded a large sum of money in compensation

Did she ever get it?Same with the Turkish Builders in Clondalkin They got Blackmail money and the sack .
Title: Re: Border required on the Irish Sea?
Post by: dalymount on February 19, 2020, 05:28:34 pm
As far as im aware she did get it,but that is not the point .the fact that she was awarded it in the first place,is an admission of guilt on the part of irish ferries
Title: Re: Border required on the Irish Sea?
Post by: john m on February 19, 2020, 05:39:33 pm
Read the EU services Directive and the ECJ Judgement .There is no legal requirement for employers to pay local rate to persons employed in another European Country but working in a different country from the one they are employed in .
Title: Re: Border required on the Irish Sea?
Post by: dalymount on February 19, 2020, 05:55:31 pm
John there is a minimum rate of pay existent in ALL member states of the EU.in the case I mentioned,this rate was nether being ovserved,or honoured by the employer irish ferries.
Title: Re: Border required on the Irish Sea?
Post by: john m on February 19, 2020, 06:23:54 pm
John there is a minimum rate of pay existent in ALL member states of the EU.in the case I mentioned,this rate was nether being ovserved,or honoured by the employer irish ferries.


Why would it be observed the Workers were employed in a country outside of the EU The ECJ ruled in favour of Irish Ferries .
Title: Re: Border required on the Irish Sea?
Post by: dalymount on February 19, 2020, 06:34:01 pm
They did not rule in favour of Irish ferries,they ruled in favour of the Filipino lady who was duly awarded a large sum of money
Title: Re: Border required on the Irish Sea?
Post by: john m on February 19, 2020, 06:43:49 pm
They did not rule in favour of Irish ferries,they ruled in favour of the Filipino lady who was duly awarded a large sum of money

Check it out ECJ ruled against the original ruling .
Title: Re: Border required on the Irish Sea?
Post by: john m on February 19, 2020, 06:46:14 pm
“Today’s judgement by the ECJ is disappointing but not at all surprising. During the Services Directive debate those of us that campaigned against the Directive highlighted the fact that so called worker protections contained within the document would not stand up in the ECJ.  We have today, unfortunately, been proven correct.

 

“It was  argued that Irish Ferries could and would happen again under the provisions of the Services Directive.  We were assured by proponents of the amended Directive it would not.  The race to the bottom has continued and threatens the terms and conditions of every worker in Ireland. This is a cause for concern for all of us and is particularly worrying in Ireland as it has and will lead to tensions between Irish and migrant workers.

 

"The government needs to get to grips with this issue, not least by introducing legislation to protect the rights of temporary agency workers. There must be equality at work.