Irish Taxi Forum
Public Area => Taxi Talk => Topic started by: watty on March 22, 2020, 08:15:47 pm
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Warning alert - this is from the Internet so probably a load of bollox
I saw this thread over on boards.ie 'legal discussion' forum earlier on and thought I'd make youse aware of it --> tolls not accepting cash or cards (https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058063741) Basically, the OP* was giving out about the Port Tunnel being "cash & tag only - no cards" only at the moment. One poster ** suggested there were 2 ways a debt could be created. One was asking for the money (& the payment method) upfront & you could opt-in or out. The second was asking for money afterwards and the user could use any legal payment method available. He said the Port Tunnel gave you the option of doing a U-turn before you entered the tunnel so they could choose their payment method (cash/tag - no cards). But... in a restuarant, you eat the meal first and pay after the meal. So the customer can pay with any legal tender.
As an aside, I once tried to report a runner to the Guards but the Guard said the offence only happens at the end (after) of the taxi ride when the person doesn't pay.
My conclusions based on my limited brain power reckons:
- We can only refuse a fare on very limited grounds (paying cash is not one of them)
- The passenger can say nothing and, after the journey is over, insist on paying with legal tender i.e., cash.
What do you armchair lawyers thinks?
* Original question:
The eastlink and port tunnel have stopped taking card payment and banknotes for the tolls.
If you drive along the toll road, have you not raised a debt? which can be discharged by legal tender?
there is a way to turn aroud at the eastlink, but not at the port tunnel toll.
It can't be legal for a state authoity or city council to refuse legal tender, can it?
especially when they have the ability to introduce bylaws to deal with the present situation, and the wherewithall to provide staff the ppe to deal with handling cards and cash
** mdebets full reply:
That's only true for vendors where you pay prior to receiving goods or services, not if you pay after the fact. In the later case, you have a debt, in which case the vendor has to accept legal tender.
A supermarket for example could make you pay in Monopoly money if they wanted to, but a restaurant on the other hand must allow you to pay with legal tender, as you have already consumed your meal and have a debt to pay to the restaurant.
I don't know, what you technically pay for if you drive through the port tunnel. Paying for driving through has most likely accured a debt, in which case they have to accept cash, if you only pay for crossing the barrier (and they give you an opportunity to turn around and drive back through the tunnel again without having to pay) they can attach whatever conditions they want.
There might also be a law that allows the state in cases of emergency to suspend the legal cash rules, but I don't know if that exists.
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Well I have not even read the posts on this ,just the headline and I totally agree that it is illegal to insist on card payment.in the very same way as it is illegal for the NTA to insist that we must take card payment
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Don't worry Dalyer...the NTA will continue as they are,they'll probably still continue with the fare increase and insist on drivers paying for it.....i bet we haven't even had a mention in any meeting that might have taken place.
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Only thing they are interested in is screwing us for as much as they can get out of us.we are only there to subsidise our competitors ie Dublin bus
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The NTA dont seem to appreciate the fact that there are drivers out there ,particularly older drivers who do not like change and find using CC facilities a challenge.some have no knowledge,or interest in using this new way of charging,and I think it is grossly unfair of the NTA, to insist that they should have to offer such facilities
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The NTA dont seem to appreciate the fact that there are drivers out there ,particularly older drivers who do not like change and find using CC facilities a challenge.some have no knowledge,or interest in using this new way of charging,and I think it is grossly unfair of the NTA, to insist that they should have to offer such facilities
Change is good
Most passengers now expect it!
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I actually dont know anyone who likes change,particularly older people
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Interestingly (or not) Cash handling isn't specifically listed as a "danger" on the HSE site - all the other "obvious" one's are - maybe cocaine kills the virus?
https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/protect-yourself.html
You should wash your hands:
after coughing or sneezing
before and after eating
before and after preparing food
if you were in contact with someone who has a fever or respiratory symptoms (cough, shortness of breath, difficulty breathing)
before and after being on public transport or in a crowd (especially an indoor crowd)
when you arrive and leave buildings including your home or anyone else's home
if you have handled animals or animal waste
before having a cigarette or vaping
if your hands are dirty
after toilet use
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Smoking might actually be a help in lining the lungs from this shite...some intellectual in America suggested Vaping might've started this.....then again, they have hotels for dogs and cats....
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A new disease started by a new consumption habit... certainly not beyond the realms of possibility. Are there any statistics on differing rates of infection between vapers and non-vapers?
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I'd say it was some guy working for Philip Morris who circulated the disinfo....probably a graduate from Stuyvesant University, KKKville, Kentucky.
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Maybe but it could obviously spread like wildfire through e-liquid. All it would take is one cough from a factory worker, I guess... particularly as there's little or no regulatory input to production and sale.
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BTW... I was vaping as I typed that!
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Do you still like a small Whiskey?...well, stick up....distilleries have been commissioned to focus on sanitiser. Most Irish whiskey is exported and in transit....the stuff fermenting in the barrels currently will fetch a pretty penny when "ready".
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Stock up, I meant. This tablet will have me declared semi-literate by the coming Comintern.
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I still enjoy the odd tipple but I have been exercising restraint to reasonable effect... my problem is a glass can easily turn into a bottle.
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Stock up.........wait for the alcohol-derpivation war...........and sell it from the back of your shed....money to be made. That's how JFK's aulfella made his money.
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... and why JFK died?
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Conspiracy Nutters (John M and the likes) would say so.............not me, I'm more inclined to think he challenged the military head-on....Sam Giancana reckins he had him done in as he was owed money by his bootlegger dad.
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Conspiracy Nutters (John M and the likes) would say so.............not me, I'm more inclined to think he challenged the military head-on....Sam Giancana reckins he had him done in as he was owed money by his bootlegger dad.
I used to smoke weed with a lad we called Grassy Noel, but he has an alibi.
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Conspiracy Nutters (John M and the likes) would say so.............not me, I'm more inclined to think he challenged the military head-on....Sam Giancana reckins he had him done in as he was owed money by his bootlegger dad.
I used to smoke weed with a lad we called Grassy Noel, but he has an alibi.
Aha...a laugh at least....don't ever give up, Silver....some of these TOM's (Trails of Misery) need to be reminded that a sense of humour stemmed from hardship in the first place.....As Pierpoint (jnr) used regularly to say to his prey...."wet and slippy, here along the gallows....fuck you pal, I've to walk back",
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Well I have not even read the posts on this ,just the headline and I totally agree that it is illegal to insist on card payment.in the very same way as it is illegal for the NTA to insist that we must take card payment
Typical taxi drivers reply to being offered payment .You couldnt make this nonsense up .
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Conspiracy Nutters (John M and the likes) would say so.............not me, I'm more inclined to think he challenged the military head-on....Sam Giancana reckins he had him done in as he was owed money by his bootlegger dad.
I used to smoke weed with a lad we called Grassy Noel, but he has an alibi.
Aha...a laugh at least....don't ever give up, Silver....some of these TOM's (Trails of Misery) need to be reminded that a sense of humour stemmed from hardship in the first place.....As Pierpoint (jnr) used regularly to say to his prey...."wet and slippy, here along the gallows....fuck you pal, I've to walk back",
He retired early citing he was at the end of his tether. 8)
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Yep....lived his last days out near The Gorballs...Gallowgate.
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Yep....lived his last days out near The Gorballs...Gallowgate.
I lived beside the Gorbals in the early '80s.
And I get Gallowgate. 8)
When Billy Connolly did The Crucifixion he said Jesus was not from Galilee, but Gallowgate!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WgXPBDrd8s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WgXPBDrd8s) 8)
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Shitehole....walked all the way back from Celtic Park to London Rd with half a keg on me in the early 90's....LVF murals all over the kip...Brigton to London Rd....the most socially deprived kip in Europe....
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Shitehole....walked all the way back from Celtic Park to London Rd with half a keg on me in the early 90's....LVF murals all over the kip...Brigton to London Rd....the most socially deprived kip in Europe....
The Gorbals was levelled in the 80's.
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Talking about the area itself.....kip all the way down from Paradise...btw McGinley's coaches still have The Gorbals vicinity listed as a collection point....load of Barras!
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Talking about the area itself.....kip all the way down from Paradise...btw McGinley's coaches still have The Gorbals vicinity listed as a collection point....load of Barras!
The Saracens Head known as the Sorry Heid was in the Barras, roughest pub inn Scotland.
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The Vital Spark and Betty's Bar were worse.....pissing on sawdust at 3 in the afternoon...
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The Vital Spark and Betty's Bar were worse.....pissing on sawdust at 3 in the afternoon...
Never heard of them.
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The Vital Spark and Betty's Bar were worse.....pissing on sawdust at 3 in the afternoon...
Never heard of them. The Sorry Heid is mentioned in the Crucifixion.
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Docks.........Think Vital Spark was used in Rab C as a front at one stage....doorman had a 2 glass-eyes...could never figure it out.
https://www.glasgowhumanesociety.com/images/tales/TalesRiverman13.pdf (https://www.glasgowhumanesociety.com/images/tales/TalesRiverman13.pdf)
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Docks.........Think Vital Spark was used in Rab C as a front at one stage....doorman had a 2 glass-eyes...could never figure it out.
[url]https://www.glasgowhumanesociety.com/images/tales/TalesRiverman13.pdf[/url] ([url]https://www.glasgowhumanesociety.com/images/tales/TalesRiverman13.pdf[/url])
There was a pub on the Viccy (Victoria) Road, called the Victoria Road café, trust me it wasn't a café. A favourite haunt of Mark Mc Manus Taggart)... There's been a Murrrrdah! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dynAAX0hYQo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dynAAX0hYQo) 8)
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Tut tut you fellows seem to know a lot of ruffians
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Id say Dommo would be right at home here John,whatya reckon ?
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Id say Dommo would be right at home here John,whatya reckon ?
Dommo can mind himself Ill tell ya a story .every word of it is true .Im after collecting me Dole in Thomas Street about 1983 and I go for a pint in the Clock .Big Dommo is sitting at the bar and as we sip porter and tell lies a Person walks in and asks Dommo does he have the cash from the sale of goods .Dommo says I have but you are getting fuck all of it ."What the fuck do you mean "asks the Person Dommo says you returned last night to the premises with your brother and aquired more goods and sold them .If you were caught you would of given me up but I got fuck all out of your stroke now Fuck off .
Person leaves the pub and returns with a gun walks up to Big Dommo and threatens to shoot him .Dommo says "Look its a gun what you going to do with that shoot me .If you do shoot you better fucking kill me ,if you dont Ill come out of Hospital and Kill you stone dead .If you kill me my family or mates will come looking for you or the Garda either way you use that gun your a fucking deadman ."Then Dommo gave Person a clap in the mouth and told him he was a fucking loser and to fuck off home .Persons hand started to shake and the tears rolled down his face Dommo had called his bluff and he knew it .I was sitting beside Big Dommo as all of this happened after person left I went into the Jacks and took off me Jocks as I had Shit meself .If Dommo got done I was a Witness who knew person and I was for it as well .I still dont know if the Gun was real I suspect it wasent but as you asked would Big Dommo be at home in some dingy kip in Glasgow You bet he would .
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Tut tut you fellows seem to know a lot of ruffians
Had the pleasure of knowing a great guy from Glasgow when I worked in London as a Chef.........he would give you the last penny in his pocket.......we travelled up several times and I was going to take a job there but did not.......City Centre is beautiful but the burbs are absolute dives....extreme poverty far worse than the biggest kips in Dublin....I've been back twice since....your man was a True Blue by the way....Rangers forever.
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Gordon Ramsay?
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Was he here the night we beat rangers 3-2 uefa cup.ah I remember it well rocky o Brien got 2 and Gino Lawless got 1
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Karl Nixon was his name....we were ordinary lads, Rats....no Cordon Bleu...
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Was he here the night we beat rangers 3-2 uefa cup.ah I remember it well rocky o Brien got 2 and Gino Lawless got 1
Up the Dubs!
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Canteen cooks!
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Canteen cooks!
Your vulgarity knows no bounds Rodent .That said you do dress a nice plate yourself .
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Canteen cooks!
Chefs de partie... cheeky cunt...3 yrs working in hotels from harrow to Brixton..
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A kitchen is no place for a chef. Get yourself on telly... From Harrow To Brixton, perfect title for a cookery show.
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I'm already on TV... look a lot younger than I am.
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You're one of the Hairy Bikers?
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Tv3... chef letting on he's gay.
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No he's deegen from fair city
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Dalymount, you know me too well.
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Howya Tommy ?
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Tommy?........nah....not far off though....remember i told you I'd go naked around Montrose with a pic of ~Panti on me arse?.....that's not too far off who I really am....
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Surely your not panti hose ????
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No dalyer..far better looking...no split ends, varicose anal veins...etc.
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Ah tell us ffs
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Foster rank..2010... heaven 17...
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Ah lippy,the suspense is killing me
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Facist groove thang?
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matchstalk men...cats and dogs.. he painted kids on the corner of the streets with sparkling clogs..
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Lowery ? Funny enough I knew a publican in marlboro st once calledLowery,and relation ?
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Walked around to the local Applegreen to get a paper this morning, only brought the coins I needed, when I got there they had signs up saying would only accept Card's , Fcukrs
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Walked around to the local Applegreen to get a paper this morning, only brought the coins I needed, when I got there they had signs up saying would only accept Card's , Fcukrs
Was it their birthday?
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Walked around to the local Applegreen to get a paper this morning, only brought the coins I needed, when I got there they had signs up saying would only accept Card's , Fcukrs
Was it their birthday?
No but its mine next Monday ::cheers
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Walked around to the local Applegreen to get a paper this morning, only brought the coins I needed, when I got there they had signs up saying would only accept Card's , Fcukrs
Was it their birthday?
No but its mine next Monday ::cheers
Heading out anywhere nice? 8)
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Probably a lovely restaurant were you can bring your own wine........and food and chef!!
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Le Wife Hardy.....Rolys Lost Souls.
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Probably a lovely restaurant were you can bring your own wine........and food and chef!!
Dominos are delivering pizza...through the letter box.
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Five star commitment.
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Shower of cowboys Ted.