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Title: COVID '19
Post by: Rat Catcher on April 14, 2020, 09:55:50 pm
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/harris-challenges-hse-to-speed-up-turnaround-time-for-covid-19-test-results-1.4228062 (https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/harris-challenges-hse-to-speed-up-turnaround-time-for-covid-19-test-results-1.4228062)

Harris challenges HSE to speed up turnaround time for Covid-19 test results

Some restrictions may be eased on May 5th but social distancing to remain until vaccine found, says Minister

about 22 hours ago Updated: about 15 hours ago
Fiach Kelly, Jack Power

The Minister for Health, Simon Harris, has said that research has showed that 120,000 people in Ireland would have contracted coronavirus in a single day had the Government not put restrictions in place. Video: RTÉ

The health service faces a “key challenge” to speed up the turnaround time for coronavirus test results once it clears a backlog later this week, Minister for Health Simon Harris has said.

Mr Harris said the Health Service Executive still has “work to do” to increase the speed at which it can produce test results among the wider community.

However, the Minister has said that testing will only be one of a number of factors to determine if restrictions to slow the spread of the virus can be eased in three weeks’ time.

Restrictions will remain in place until May 5th and Mr Harris and Dr Tony Holohan, the Chief Medical Officer, raised the prospect of easing some measures at that point.

But both said social distancing restrictions would remain in place until a vaccine for coronavirus is found. A team in Oxford University has expressed confidence a vaccine could be ready by September, although other experts say it could take a year or more.

It was announced last night that 31 more people have died from Covid-19 in the Republic. There are now 10,647 known coronavirus cases in the State, and 365 people have died from the virus.

Health officials announced a further 527 confirmed cases on Monday, along with 465 further positive cases from tests sent to a German laboratory to clear the backlog.

The HSE is also starting an investigation into how people were incorrectly informed their test for coronavirus was negative, when in fact they had contracted the virus.

A spokeswoman said the HSE had identified “less than 100 people” who were incorrectly informed about the result of their test.

The error occurred in tests where the original result was unclear or “indeterminate”, but people were informed it had been negative, she said.

Tests backlog

HSE chief executive Paul Reid said the backlog in testing had been reduced from a high point of about 35,000 people waiting for results to some 11,000.

He told a briefing in Dublin that 25 laboratories were now being used to examine Covid-19 tests, including 20 in hospitals, the national lab in UCD, a Department of Agriculture facility and in Germany. Mr Reid said nearly 8,000 tests were completed on Saturday.

“That backlog will continue to be reduced and will be reduced completely by the end of this week,” he said.

Six deaths were announced in Northern Ireland, bringing the total number of fatalities to 124. An additional 76 cases of coronavirus were confirmed. A total of 1,882 cases have now been identified in the North.

Social distancing

Although Mr Harris raised the prospect of easing some restrictions – which would be limited at first – he warned: “There isn’t going to be a magic point at the start of May where life as we knew it before the coronavirus can resume. I think, being truthful, social distancing is going to remain a very big part of life not just in Ireland but the world over until we get to a vaccine or effective treatment for the coronavirus.”

He said the key indicators to watch in the coming weeks will be the rate of growth of the virus, the average number of people in intensive care units and the reproductive rate of the virus, which is the rate which measures how many people each infected person is likely to pass the virus on to.

Mr Harris said that the next three weeks will be crucial in halting the spread of coronavirus. He appealed to people to continue to adhere to the rules and recommendations in place.

The State’s testing and contact tracing capacity would also be considerations in easing restrictions, he said. He said the “key challenge” from the point the backlog is cleared is accelerating the turnaround of test results to 48 hours.

“In the hospital setting now they are turning around results very quickly, which is important, but they have a bit of work to do still in the community setting.”

Dr Holohan said that any easing of restrictions would be conditional. “As we identify a restriction that we might ease or remove, there is a possibility the risk of infection will go up and go up more than we think, and we have to be able to pick that up and respond to that quickly,” he said.

The European Commission is expected to urge national governments this week to co-ordinate their exit from coronavirus lockdowns, as it seeks to prevent any repeat of the confusion marked the start of the crisis. It will advise governments to give each other advanced warning of plans to relax border controls, reopen shops, and relax confinement restrictions.

‘Time for vigilance’

Speaking in Geneva, the head of the World Health Organisation, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, urged caution over moves by countries to lift lockdown conditions. He said much was still unknown about the behaviour of coronavirus, and emphasised that case finding, testing and isolating were still crucial.

“We know that in some countries, Covid-19 cases are doubling every three to four days. However, while Covid-19 accelerates very fast, it decelerates much more slowly. In other words, the way down is much slower than the way up.”

Asked whether Europe was approaching a turning point in the pandemic, Dr Mike Ryan, head of the WHO’s emergencies programme, said: “We look at the number of confirmed cases and at the number of hospitalisations as the first indicator that things may be stabilising and we’re certainly seeing that.

“Now is time for vigilance, now is time to double down, now is the time to be very, very careful. That doesn’t mean the countries cannot begin to create an exit strategy.”
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: Shallowhal on April 14, 2020, 10:09:42 pm
The Minister for Health, Simon Harris, has said that research has showed that 120,000 people in Ireland would have contracted coronavirus in a single day had the Government not put restrictions in place and those taxi drivers who withdrew services which undoubtedly saved thousands more lives. Video: RTÉ
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: watty on April 15, 2020, 10:50:51 am
I never understood how politicians get away with shite like this.  He's the Health minister and ultimately in charge.  He doesn't have to "challenge" them to do anything - he can just order his subordinates to do it!

Same with the homelessness crisis over the past few years.  Every time the deteriorating numbers came out, the minister in charge (Eoghan Murphy) would (metaphorically) shake his head and say, I'm shocked and surprised and I must do something about that.
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: silverbullet on April 15, 2020, 04:44:07 pm
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/harris-challenges-hse-to-speed-up-turnaround-time-for-covid-19-test-results-1.4228062 (https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/harris-challenges-hse-to-speed-up-turnaround-time-for-covid-19-test-results-1.4228062)

Harris challenges HSE to speed up turnaround time for Covid-19 test results

Some restrictions may be eased on May 5th but social distancing to remain until vaccine found, says Minister

about 22 hours ago Updated: about 15 hours ago
Fiach Kelly, Jack Power

The Minister for Health, Simon Harris, has said that research has showed that 120,000 people in Ireland would have contracted coronavirus in a single day had the Government not put restrictions in place. Video: RTÉ

The health service faces a “key challenge” to speed up the turnaround time for coronavirus test results once it clears a backlog later this week, Minister for Health Simon Harris has said.

Mr Harris said the Health Service Executive still has “work to do” to increase the speed at which it can produce test results among the wider community.

However, the Minister has said that testing will only be one of a number of factors to determine if restrictions to slow the spread of the virus can be eased in three weeks’ time.

Restrictions will remain in place until May 5th and Mr Harris and Dr Tony Holohan, the Chief Medical Officer, raised the prospect of easing some measures at that point.

But both said social distancing restrictions would remain in place until a vaccine for coronavirus is found. A team in Oxford University has expressed confidence a vaccine could be ready by September, although other experts say it could take a year or more.

It was announced last night that 31 more people have died from Covid-19 in the Republic. There are now 10,647 known coronavirus cases in the State, and 365 people have died from the virus.

Health officials announced a further 527 confirmed cases on Monday, along with 465 further positive cases from tests sent to a German laboratory to clear the backlog.

The HSE is also starting an investigation into how people were incorrectly informed their test for coronavirus was negative, when in fact they had contracted the virus.

A spokeswoman said the HSE had identified “less than 100 people” who were incorrectly informed about the result of their test.

The error occurred in tests where the original result was unclear or “indeterminate”, but people were informed it had been negative, she said.

Tests backlog

HSE chief executive Paul Reid said the backlog in testing had been reduced from a high point of about 35,000 people waiting for results to some 11,000.

He told a briefing in Dublin that 25 laboratories were now being used to examine Covid-19 tests, including 20 in hospitals, the national lab in UCD, a Department of Agriculture facility and in Germany. Mr Reid said nearly 8,000 tests were completed on Saturday.

“That backlog will continue to be reduced and will be reduced completely by the end of this week,” he said.

Six deaths were announced in Northern Ireland, bringing the total number of fatalities to 124. An additional 76 cases of coronavirus were confirmed. A total of 1,882 cases have now been identified in the North.

Social distancing

Although Mr Harris raised the prospect of easing some restrictions – which would be limited at first – he warned: “There isn’t going to be a magic point at the start of May where life as we knew it before the coronavirus can resume. I think, being truthful, social distancing is going to remain a very big part of life not just in Ireland but the world over until we get to a vaccine or effective treatment for the coronavirus.”

He said the key indicators to watch in the coming weeks will be the rate of growth of the virus, the average number of people in intensive care units and the reproductive rate of the virus, which is the rate which measures how many people each infected person is likely to pass the virus on to.

Mr Harris said that the next three weeks will be crucial in halting the spread of coronavirus. He appealed to people to continue to adhere to the rules and recommendations in place.

The State’s testing and contact tracing capacity would also be considerations in easing restrictions, he said. He said the “key challenge” from the point the backlog is cleared is accelerating the turnaround of test results to 48 hours.

“In the hospital setting now they are turning around results very quickly, which is important, but they have a bit of work to do still in the community setting.”

Dr Holohan said that any easing of restrictions would be conditional. “As we identify a restriction that we might ease or remove, there is a possibility the risk of infection will go up and go up more than we think, and we have to be able to pick that up and respond to that quickly,” he said.

The European Commission is expected to urge national governments this week to co-ordinate their exit from coronavirus lockdowns, as it seeks to prevent any repeat of the confusion marked the start of the crisis. It will advise governments to give each other advanced warning of plans to relax border controls, reopen shops, and relax confinement restrictions.

‘Time for vigilance’

Speaking in Geneva, the head of the World Health Organisation, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, urged caution over moves by countries to lift lockdown conditions. He said much was still unknown about the behaviour of coronavirus, and emphasised that case finding, testing and isolating were still crucial.

“We know that in some countries, Covid-19 cases are doubling every three to four days. However, while Covid-19 accelerates very fast, it decelerates much more slowly. In other words, the way down is much slower than the way up.”

Asked whether Europe was approaching a turning point in the pandemic, Dr Mike Ryan, head of the WHO’s emergencies programme, said: “We look at the number of confirmed cases and at the number of hospitalisations as the first indicator that things may be stabilising and we’re certainly seeing that.

“Now is time for vigilance, now is time to double down, now is the time to be very, very careful. That doesn’t mean the countries cannot begin to create an exit strategy.”
Exec sum?
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: john m on April 15, 2020, 06:55:12 pm
Silver there is a flu ......................................
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: silverbullet on April 15, 2020, 06:56:08 pm
Silver there is a flu ......................................
Without a cure. Cheers Ermy.
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: Rat Catcher on April 15, 2020, 08:57:27 pm
Exec sum?

You're going to get it sooner or later.
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: markmiwurdz on April 15, 2020, 09:51:51 pm
have to laugh about this cunt becoming Bolchy  all of a sudden considering the government collapsed because Leo refused to let the little upstart walk the plank...funny ould world..
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: silverbullet on April 16, 2020, 01:42:31 pm
Exec sum?

You're going to get it sooner or later.
Ah sure we're all in the same boat.
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: Rat Catcher on April 16, 2020, 07:39:01 pm
Probably... I think most of our contributors would be classed as at risk for one reason or another.
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: Shallowhal on April 16, 2020, 07:51:14 pm
Probably... I think most of our contributors would be classed as at risk for one reason or another.

That's one way of describing Octy i suppose!!
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: silverbullet on April 16, 2020, 08:16:14 pm
Probably... I think most of our contributors would be classed as at risk for one reason or another.
If only I  gave up the fags.
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: Rat Catcher on April 16, 2020, 09:01:17 pm
.... and turn back time?
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: TheDevilHimself on April 16, 2020, 09:20:56 pm
Research has shown that most Irish Politicians  are honest and reliable .  rofl
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: Taxi driver42 on April 16, 2020, 11:30:47 pm
Research has shown that most Irish Politicians  are honest and reliable .  rofl


All  the  dead ones from develara  era maybe
Would u trust ff now ? Or labour after water charges?
Or fg to sort out the housing crisis?
And sf I d only trust them to run a gun club they couldn't run a raffle let alone a country
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: sore on April 17, 2020, 12:07:43 am
Probably... I think most of our contributors would be classed as at risk for one reason or another.

I'd say quite of a few of us are overweight/obese, the vast majority of the irish covid-19 patients in ICU that are not elderly or have other underlying health issues are morbidly obese.  No better time to lose some weight!

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/health/coronavirus-ireland-obesity-could-major-18094582 (https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/health/coronavirus-ireland-obesity-could-major-18094582)
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: TheDevilHimself on April 17, 2020, 01:40:12 am
Probably... I think most of our contributors would be classed as at risk for one reason or another.

I'd say quite of a few of us are overweight/obese, the vast majority of the irish covid-19 patients in ICU that are not elderly or have other underlying health issues are morbidly obese.  No better time to lose some weight!

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/health/coronavirus-ireland-obesity-could-major-18094582 (https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/health/coronavirus-ireland-obesity-could-major-18094582)
you say "Morbidly Obese" like its a bad thing .. could be the last ones to starve to death when  the real  shit hits the fan ... 
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: silverbullet on April 17, 2020, 04:41:47 pm
.... and turn back time?
Joe Cocker smoked 40 fags a day, gave up smoking in 1991 and died of Lung Cancer in 2014.
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: Rat Catcher on April 18, 2020, 01:57:56 pm
I'd say quite of a few of us are overweight/obese, the vast majority of the irish covid-19 patients in ICU that are not elderly or have other underlying health issues are morbidly obese.  No better time to lose some weight!

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/health/coronavirus-ireland-obesity-could-major-18094582 (https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/health/coronavirus-ireland-obesity-could-major-18094582)

Indeed. Aside from An Garda Siochana I can't think of any other trade / profession / vocation with so many fat, unhealthy, unfit fuckers. Ironically, there seems to be very few coronavirus casualties among taximen or Gardai despite both maintaining their services under conditions within which the physical distancing aspect of social distancing cannot be observed.
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: dalymount on April 22, 2020, 03:00:58 pm
Any of yis get any extra money today ? I got an additional 700 from the dept of social protection, and I'm fukked if I know why
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: silverbullet on April 22, 2020, 03:53:30 pm
I'd say quite of a few of us are overweight/obese, the vast majority of the irish covid-19 patients in ICU that are not elderly or have other underlying health issues are morbidly obese.  No better time to lose some weight!

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/health/coronavirus-ireland-obesity-could-major-18094582 (https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/health/coronavirus-ireland-obesity-could-major-18094582)

Indeed. Aside from An Garda Siochana I can't think of any other trade / profession / vocation with so many fat, unhealthy, unfit fuckers. Ironically, there seems to be very few coronavirus casualties among taximen or Gardai despite both maintaining their services under conditions within which the physical distancing aspect of social distancing cannot be observed.
Which is quite unbelievable considering the amount of sporting apparel we wear..
At this rate Part Hickey should be our spokesperson.
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: stonethecrows on April 22, 2020, 03:57:24 pm
Any of yis get any extra money today ? I got an additional 700 from the dept of social protection, and I'm fukked if I know why
In Days of old when you got a chickens neck there would be a remit with it with a code telling you what it related to, obviously this is not the case with an Online payment , perhaps they may send you a mail to confirm what the payment is
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: silverbullet on April 22, 2020, 04:01:57 pm
They must know Dalyer is in rude health by paying him in advance.
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: Punter on April 22, 2020, 04:23:47 pm
Everyone who applied first off qualifies for the 12 weeks ,if you didn't get paid the first two weeks this is the balancing payment -
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: john m on April 22, 2020, 04:36:05 pm
Any of yis get any extra money today ? I got an additional 700 from the dept of social protection, and I'm fukked if I know why

might be for the earlier two weeks you sent in the sick note for they might have decided you qualified for the covid for those back weeks
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: dalymount on April 22, 2020, 06:07:54 pm
John is right I checked it with them. The cert I sent in , and i had forgotten about it, dated 12 March they paid me for the next two weeks the girl even apologized for the payment being late, sure I had forgotten about it . I was happy enough with the weekly payment
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: Theoneandonly on April 22, 2020, 09:36:48 pm
When did it change from 12 weeks to "duration of the crisis"

Rules
Employees, self-employed people, students and part-time workers can apply for the COVID-19 Pandemic Unemployment Payment. Both EEA and non-EEA workers qualify.

To qualify for the new COVID-19 Pandemic Unemployment Payment, you must:

Be aged between 18 and 66
Live in the Republic of Ireland
Have been in employment or self-employment immediately before Friday 13 March 2020. If you work shifts, short time or other atypical work patterns you must have been in employment on or after 6 March 2020.
Have lost your job or be temporarily laid off from work or asked to stay at home from work due to the COVID-19 public health emergency
Be self-employed and your trading income has ceased due to the COVID-19 public health emergency. You do not need to de-register as self-employed to get a payment.
It will be paid for the duration of the crisis.
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: dalymount on April 22, 2020, 10:08:35 pm
The payment I was awarded in respect of the first 2 weeks begining March 12,was illness benefit. The doctor instructed me to self isolate, and send in the nesserry form which I did. I had heard nothing about it until this morning when an additional 700 was lodged to my account in respect of those weeks from 12 March
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: Shallowhal on April 22, 2020, 10:21:37 pm
The payment I was awarded in respect of the first 2 weeks begining March 12,was illness benefit. The doctor instructed me to self isolate, and send in the nesserry form which I did. I had heard nothing about it until this morning when an additional 700 was lodged to my account in respect of those weeks from 12 March

But that payment(when told to self isolate) was €305 per week at that time.....your 12 weeks must have started then.
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: Theoneandonly on April 22, 2020, 10:31:09 pm
The payment I was awarded in respect of the first 2 weeks begining March 12,was illness benefit. The doctor instructed me to self isolate, and send in the nesserry form which I did. I had heard nothing about it until this morning when an additional 700 was lodged to my account in respect of those weeks from 12 March
Originally the payment was for 12 weeks, therefore they would have fulfilled their contract by paying you for 12 weeks from the first payment they made to you, it seems the payment is now for the "duration of the crisis" {see above} which meant they had to pay you from your first application in order to be fair?
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: Shallowhal on April 22, 2020, 10:36:32 pm
I heard Paggo saying on one of the broadcasts that it was for 12 weeks.....i can't see them paying for the duration of the crisis.....that's kinda open ended at this stage.
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: john m on April 22, 2020, 10:39:32 pm
Fixed payments for first 12 weeks then tapered payments after that ie means tested .
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: Theoneandonly on April 22, 2020, 10:41:01 pm
Fixed payments for first 12 weeks then tapered payments after that ie means tested .

link?
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: john m on April 22, 2020, 10:42:24 pm
Fixed payments for first 12 weeks then tapered payments after that ie means tested .

link?

Read the papers when your not busy designing posters .
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: Theoneandonly on April 22, 2020, 10:43:34 pm
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/donohoe-review-of-covid-19-support-payments-after-12-weeks-with-potential-for-tapering-995402.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/donohoe-review-of-covid-19-support-payments-after-12-weeks-with-potential-for-tapering-995402.html)
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: Theoneandonly on April 22, 2020, 10:46:09 pm
Means tested will put me back on the road, I guess it will keep sufficient numbers off to make it somewhat viable?
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: john m on April 22, 2020, 11:02:52 pm
Might not be much work to go back to .A fella I know who hires casual labour .Says huge delays in importing masks and gowns from China as about quarter of the Country has travel restrictions and widespread Dizzzeeeeeze that is not being reported .Now he also knows a bit about investing he says buy American and European defense stocks best value Boeing he recons America is going to have to go to War before their economy collapses .
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: Theoneandonly on April 22, 2020, 11:12:09 pm
Might not be much work to go back to .A fella I know who hires casual labour .Says huge delays in importing masks and gowns from China as about quarter of the Country has travel restrictions and widespread Dizzzeeeeeze that is not being reported .Now he also knows a bit about investing he says buy American and European defense stocks best value Boeing he recons America is going to have to go to War before their economy collapses .

There'll be fuck all .... saying that I'm still passing on the odd job to one of the lads who's still out working, one for €300 going to Limerick tomorrow, I know "I wouldn't do it for less than a grand" shit will ensue, but a jobs a job and 3 ton is not to be sneezed (pardon the pun) at
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: john m on April 23, 2020, 09:12:18 am
ONLY  we done a bit of market research yesterday there is no work and  we can do that again in a week or two see if things improve .This thing is getting real an old neighbour bit younger than me died from it yesterday .My advice to ALL drivers is take the 350 sit tight this could get a lot worse before it gets better or it might get sorted .Makes no sense to rush head long into it in the hope of earning a crust .
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: Davy Boy on April 23, 2020, 09:43:13 am
Fixed payments for first 12 weeks then tapered payments after that ie means tested .
Since last November self-employed are entitled to 6 Months Benefit (regular Unemployment Benefit) so means test will not kick in until then
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: stonethecrows on April 23, 2020, 09:46:33 am
ONLY  we done a bit of market research yesterday there is no work and  we can do that again in a week or two see if things improve .This thing is getting real an old neighbour bit younger than me died from it yesterday .My advice to ALL drivers is take the 350 sit tight this could get a lot worse before it gets better or it might get sorted .Makes no sense to rush head long into it in the hope of earning a crust .
May be a case that the Ambassadors are getting to the work before it reaches the ordinary FN Taxi man, I know they have done away with Priorty but nothing said about ambassadors as far as  I know
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: dalymount on April 23, 2020, 10:05:42 am
Well any taxis I have seen have customers in them
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: john m on April 23, 2020, 10:39:52 am
Fixed payments for first 12 weeks then tapered payments after that ie means tested .
Since last November self-employed are entitled to 6 Months Benefit (regular Unemployment Benefit) so means test will not kick in until then

UB you would have to surrender your licence probably sell your car as its an asset or pay BIC or some other tax if you continue to own it .UB you would be saying you are no longer trading .Wait and see what the Government offer first .
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: Rat Catcher on April 23, 2020, 04:55:58 pm
Fixed payments for first 12 weeks then tapered payments after that ie means tested .
Since last November self-employed are entitled to 6 Months Benefit (regular Unemployment Benefit) so means test will not kick in until then

True but you are not allowed to work on a self-employed basis at all during such a claim so presumably you will have to surrender your SPSV licences. Also, the rate is reduced if your income was below c.€300/week for 2018.

Jobseekers Allowance, on the other hand, is means tested but allows you drive your cab as much as you want so doesn't require you to surrender licences.
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: stonethecrows on April 23, 2020, 05:14:50 pm
Fixed payments for first 12 weeks then tapered payments after that ie means tested .
Since last November self-employed are entitled to 6 Months Benefit (regular Unemployment Benefit) so means test will not kick in until then

True but you are not allowed to work on a self-employed basis at all during such a claim so presumably you will have to surrender your SPSV licences. Also, the rate is reduced if your income was below c.€300/week for 2018.

Jobseekers Allowance, on the other hand, is means tested but allows you drive your cab as much as you want so doesn't require you to surrender licences.
Surely by its very name Jobseekers Allowance means you are looking for work/out of work .
I cant imagine you would be entitled to this if you are still driving a taxi
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: Rat Catcher on April 23, 2020, 05:20:25 pm
You can. All the full-time men with families to support done it during the last recession.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/unemployed_people/jobseekers_allowance.html (https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/unemployed_people/jobseekers_allowance.html)
Quote
Self-employment

If you are self-employed, you may be entitled to Jobseeker's Allowance, depending on your income from your business.


However, you cannot work as self-employed if claiming Jobseekers Benefit:

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/unemployed_people/self_employed_and_unemployment.html (https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/unemployed_people/self_employed_and_unemployment.html)
Quote
To get Jobseeker's Benefit (Self-Employed) you must stop all self-employment activity. However, you can work as an employee for up to 3 days each week and continue to get Jobseeker's Benefit (Self-Employed).

If you don't qualify for Jobseeker's Benefit (Self-Employed) you may qualify for Jobseeker's Allowance.
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: Theoneandonly on April 23, 2020, 05:31:31 pm
I guess nobody really knows what he means by "tapered", we'll have to wait and see, John M is usually wrong so it probably won't be means tested
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: dalymount on April 23, 2020, 05:50:20 pm
Does this mean all the blokes working and claiming are going 5o be screwed?
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: watty on April 23, 2020, 06:45:50 pm
True but you are not allowed to work on a self-employed basis at all during such a claim so presumably you will have to surrender your SPSV licences. <snip>

The NTA office pen-pushers were happy enough for drivers to 'break the link' on their website.  According to their logic, if you're not linked, you can't work as a taxi driver.  Would the pen-pushers in SW take the same attitude?  So maybe you could keep your unlinked licence 'just in case' while you're looking for work elsewhere?
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: watty on April 23, 2020, 06:50:35 pm
Does this mean all the blokes working and claiming are going 5o be screwed?
Don't see why not if they're found out.

Two of the questions asked on the form were:
When did you last work?
Are you working casually?

Then you declared:
I declare that I am not being paid by my employer at the moment.  (Presumably you are your own employer)
• I state that I will inform the Department if there are any changes in my circumstances which may affect my entitlement to payment.
• I know that it is an offence to provide false information or to withhold information to qualify for this payment.
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: dalymount on April 23, 2020, 07:13:53 pm
But will they bother their bollox checking when all this is over, I can't really see how they will find out anyway if drivers deny it .
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: watty on April 23, 2020, 07:33:07 pm
Probably the easiest way might be to ask for copies of your bank/CU/CC statements for Mar/Apr/May.  Very hard to be cash only these days.  If you are one of those lucky few who are cash only, I'd imagine SW would tell Revenue and you'd be on short list for an audit next year.  Good luck trying to claim your fuel/M50/carwash/whatever expenses against your income when it comes to it.

When I stopped, I printed off a receipt (with date & job number 001).  When I restart, I'll print off another receipt with new date and job number 002.  Unless 'they' can prove I tampered with the tamper-proof meter, that'll be my proof I didn't use the meter for the last month or two.
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: Theoneandonly on April 23, 2020, 08:09:09 pm
Probably the easiest way might be to ask for copies of your bank/CU/CC statements for Mar/Apr/May.  Very hard to be cash only these days.  If you are one of those lucky few who are cash only, I'd imagine SW would tell Revenue and you'd be on short list for an audit next year.  Good luck trying to claim your fuel/M50/carwash/whatever expenses against your income when it comes to it.

When I stopped, I printed off a receipt (with date & job number 001).  When I restart, I'll print off another receipt with new date and job number 002.  Unless 'they' can prove I tampered with the tamper-proof meter, that'll be my proof I didn't use the meter for the last month or two.

So not only are you working ... you're working off the meter! jail the barsteward!
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: Billy boy on April 23, 2020, 10:22:18 pm
I think some lads on here think their Denis O'brien or dermot Desmond.. We are only taxi drivers ffs....
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: Taxi driver42 on April 24, 2020, 08:44:49 am
I guess nobody really knows what he means by "tapered", we'll have to wait and see, John M is usually wrong so it probably won't be means tested


Lol
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: Taxi driver42 on April 24, 2020, 08:48:09 am
Its gonna be down to if their bothered enough to look or if they pull onto a rank and catch u out

Either way theres fuck all work out there stay home
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: Rat Catcher on April 24, 2020, 01:27:25 pm
Probably the easiest way might be to ask for copies of your bank/CU/CC statements for Mar/Apr/May.  Very hard to be cash only these days.  If you are one of those lucky few who are cash only, I'd imagine SW would tell Revenue and you'd be on short list for an audit next year.  Good luck trying to claim your fuel/M50/carwash/whatever expenses against your income when it comes to it.

Given that we are required to apply for another Jobseekers payment before the COVID '19 scheme expires that could well be required, particularly for those who opt or otherwise apply for means-tested Jobseekers Allowance.
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: Shallowhal on April 24, 2020, 07:30:18 pm
Varadkar: 'Extending pandemic payment and wage subsidy scheme may be needed if restrictions stay in place' https://jrnl.ie/5083689
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: Theoneandonly on April 24, 2020, 07:58:16 pm
Varadkar: 'Extending pandemic payment and wage subsidy scheme may be needed if restrictions stay in place' https://jrnl.ie/5083689

"The original plan was to give people up to 70% of their previous income for people earning up to €350,000, but it would have taken too long to administer, he said."

I guess there has/will be plenty of time for revenue to allot 70% of income based on previous returns/P60s?

also surely that should be €35,000?
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: john m on April 25, 2020, 10:24:04 am
Most likely payments will be reduced to 203 Euro from 350 for those who cannot return to work or wont .Revenue havent got the time to check every return from 2 years ago to set individual payments .
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: dalymount on April 25, 2020, 05:38:50 pm
Has it been established if tax has to be paid on the 350 or not ?
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: Bob Shillin on April 25, 2020, 05:59:43 pm
Can't see that being in doubt if your income for the year exceeds your tax free allowance.
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: john m on April 25, 2020, 06:51:11 pm
A few years ago they introduced that social welfare payments are taxable but as payments are less than allowances no cash was  due BUT many years ago you could work say you were allowed 100 a week so at week 26 your tax free income was 2600 so  your tax free earnings if you only start working that year from july was 2600 + 100 per week or if you worked for the first 6 months then claimed for 6 months you could get a rebate on all your earnings this meant a lot of seasonal workers like fruit pickers or Butlins workers could get all their tax back but now if you get 203 a week welfare and your tax free allowance is 250 then you only get credited 42 euro as the monies you get on welfare is considered income for tax purposes so the answer to your question is YES the covid payment is considered as income for tax purposes .

Your accountant will let you know 3500 income can you claim any offset for car loans insurance maintenance as you were not engaged in your business .If you changed your insurance to private I wouldnt claim .As self employed I would count the payment as income and include it in my total earnings for the year .Im sure the Rodent will offer guidance .
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: Shallowhal on April 25, 2020, 07:26:41 pm
My accountant told me to continue recording my insurance as i normally would as an expense and also the 350 as earnings......but won't have any other expenses to write off against those earnings.
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: john m on April 25, 2020, 07:28:42 pm
insurance could be questionable if private only
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: Shallowhal on April 25, 2020, 08:40:33 pm
So would the portion of your mobile phone bill that you would normally write off....infact anything work related could and probably will be in doubt.
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: Rat Catcher on April 25, 2020, 09:00:48 pm
Your €350 is income not earnings, Hal. I haven't seen any precise clarification but I'd be 99.36% sure it will be taxable. Not all welfare is taxable, erm. Jobseekers Allowance isn't neither is Child benefit. Jobseekers Benefit is.

Obviously if you make private use of your taxi you will be allocating a greater proportion of motor expenses and wear and tear allowance to private use for 2020 or 2021 as the case may be than you would in normal circumstances.
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: dalymount on April 25, 2020, 09:56:29 pm
I wonder because these are exceptional circumstances, and this is an exceptional payment, will they still look upon it as taxable income, rather then a gesture to help people out in these  uncertain times there is something human about the government performance, but that might all change when normality is restored
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: Rat Catcher on April 25, 2020, 10:26:18 pm
Not impossible but it wouldn't make sense. People are spending less so why should they need more tax free income, bearing in mind we all have a tax free allowance... given as a credit these days. In fact there is no reasonable argument against taxing it... the fact that it's being given to loads of non PAYE earners who aren't accustomed to paying tax isn't a reasonable argument IMO.
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: stonethecrows on April 25, 2020, 10:39:28 pm
100% guarantee that they will come a knockn for tax on the covid payments, Gov aint SVDP you know
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: Rat Catcher on April 25, 2020, 10:43:12 pm
Hard to disagree with that or even construct a rational argument to the contrary. In fact, they have clarified that wages rebated under the wage subsidy scheme are taxable. However, do bear in mind that you may have trading losses to offset (as well as your normal tax credits) and remember you can change your accounting date to enhance taxation efficiency.
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: Shallowhal on April 25, 2020, 10:44:15 pm
100% guarantee that they will come a knockn for tax on the covid payments, Gov aint SVDP you know

John will want to know why the SDLP are involved!!
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: Rat Catcher on April 25, 2020, 10:57:47 pm
A few years ago they introduced that social welfare payments are taxable but as payments are less than allowances no cash was  due BUT many years ago you could work say you were allowed 100 a week so at week 26 your tax free income was 2600 so  your tax free earnings if you only start working that year from july was 2600 + 100 per week or if you worked for the first 6 months then claimed for 6 months you could get a rebate on all your earnings this meant a lot of seasonal workers like fruit pickers or Butlins workers could get all their tax back but now if you get 203 a week welfare and your tax free allowance is 250 then you only get credited 42 euro as the monies you get on welfare is considered income for tax purposes so the answer to your question is YES the covid payment is considered as income for tax purposes .


Interestingly (or not, as ermisms go) you chose an exempt "special case" to illustrate an otherwise partially sound argument. Jobseekers Benefit paid to systematic short-term workers is not taxed.
Title: Re: COVID '19
Post by: Rat Catcher on April 25, 2020, 11:08:40 pm
OK, now I'm 100% sure it's taxable. It has been clarified since I last looked.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/unemployed_people/covid19_pandemic_unemployment_payment.html (https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/unemployed_people/covid19_pandemic_unemployment_payment.html)

Taxation of COVID-19 Pandemic Unemployment Payment

Revenue has indicated that it will treat the COVID-19 Pandemic Unemployment Payment as taxable income. Depending on a person’s overall income during a year, the COVID-19 Pandemic Unemployment Payment may affect a person’s overall tax liability for the year.