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Title: Screens
Post by: Hugh Jenob on May 25, 2020, 11:07:32 am
Folks just a quick query about these screens. I know the subjects been touched upon a couple of times but I have a specific question. Do any of youse know any driver that actually got one installed and passed suitability? Charles Robinson up in ballymount does one that wraps around the driver compartment. I seen photos of the finished job on his fb page. Looks v professional. Does any know about this firm? Reliable etc? It's a saloon I have and I know for sure the 650mm requirement won't be met. Then again I've never seen them being measured at northpoint. Any input would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: mercenary for hire on May 25, 2020, 11:12:21 am
It's not an air tight screen.It has holes.So it's for security more than anything.You'll still need a mask.

Suitability won't be open so you've no way of knowing if he's telling the truth about being able to pass it out.
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: john m on May 25, 2020, 11:18:43 am
Hugh try read the forum .THERE IS NO STANDARD FOR SCREENS ........THE NTA HAVE SAID THEY DO NOT OFFER ANY PROTECTION .There are guidelines you must not reduce the internal space below the standard .you must not interfere with safety devices ie airbags or head rests .You must use shatter proof material .As far as I know with the exception of the spring loaded compression fitted rubber edged screen I made myself no screen available on the market meets the requirements laid down by the NTA that would guarantee that they would pass suitability IF SCREENS ever become part of the suitability test .WHERE DID YOU GET THE IDEA THAT SCREENS WILL BE PART OF THE SUITABILITY TEST ?
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: watty on May 25, 2020, 11:32:30 am
It's not the screen, per say.  It's the distance from the back seat to the front.  And some might put the passenger leaflet thingy in a pocket on the rear of the front seat.  Putting in a screen might mean you fail on those two things.
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Theoneandonly on May 25, 2020, 11:38:09 am
Folks just a quick query about these screens. I know the subjects been touched upon a couple of times but I have a specific question. Do any of youse know any driver that actually got one installed and passed suitability? Charles Robinson up in ballymount does one that wraps around the driver compartment. I seen photos of the finished job on his fb page. Looks v professional. Does any know about this firm? Reliable etc? It's a saloon I have and I know for sure the 650mm requirement won't be met. Then again I've never seen them being measured at northpoint. Any input would be appreciated.

Get one that is easily removed/replaced and don't have it in place for the suitability test
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: john m on May 25, 2020, 11:59:35 am
Folks just a quick query about these screens. I know the subjects been touched upon a couple of times but I have a specific question. Do any of youse know any driver that actually got one installed and passed suitability? Charles Robinson up in ballymount does one that wraps around the driver compartment. I seen photos of the finished job on his fb page. Looks v professional. Does any know about this firm? Reliable etc? It's a saloon I have and I know for sure the 650mm requirement won't be met. Then again I've never seen them being measured at northpoint. Any input would be appreciated.

Get one that is easily removed/replaced and don't have it in place for the suitability test

And there you have the best advice available .Its beautifully simple if all you are worried about is passing a test .Some drivers even hoover the car before the test or go as far as to wash it .
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: mercenary for hire on May 25, 2020, 12:18:06 pm
Robinson's screens are the most expensive one's I've seen.So there may not be many who have them.Ask on the taxi driver pages on Facebook you might get some better info.

Honestly I haven't spent €350 on me car in the last 18 months.A €350 screen would increase it's value by about 30%.
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Jack Meoff on May 25, 2020, 01:06:42 pm
Folks just a quick query about these screens. I know the subjects been touched upon a couple of times but I have a specific question. Do any of youse know any driver that actually got one installed and passed suitability? Charles Robinson up in ballymount does one that wraps around the driver compartment. I seen photos of the finished job on his fb page. Looks v professional. Does any know about this firm? Reliable etc? It's a saloon I have and I know for sure the 650mm requirement won't be met. Then again I've never seen them being measured at northpoint. Any input would be appreciated.

Get one that is easily removed/replaced and don't have it in place for the suitability test

Are you now a 3 passenger vehicle or will you take 4 ?
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: dalymount on May 25, 2020, 01:34:37 pm
I dont undeestand why there is such a willingness among you to introduce something that WILL become mandatory if tou all keep fitting these fukin things.then you come on here complaining about the ongoing cost of staying in the game,when you yourselfs are the biggest contributors to the cost
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: john m on May 25, 2020, 01:44:01 pm
I dont undeestand why there is such a willingness among you to introduce something that WILL become mandatory if tou all keep fitting these fukin things.then you come on here complaining about the ongoing cost of staying in the game,when you yourselfs are the biggest contributors to the cost

Do you never read what the NTA told you Screens dont work .They pointed out that they are a safety risk if they obstruct airbags or head rests or seatbelts .It couldnt be clearer .The NTA will not make them mandatory as it would not be possible to apply a universal standard .
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Octavia1 on May 25, 2020, 02:24:29 pm
Yet another screen thread  :-\   ::sleep
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Shallowhal on May 25, 2020, 03:07:36 pm
Yet another screen thread  :-\   ::sleep

Can't have enough screen threads octy!!
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: stonethecrows on May 25, 2020, 03:17:20 pm
Yet another screen thread  :-\   ::sleep

Can't have enough screen threads octy!!

An older man with a touch of dementia wobbles into a Catholic Church, sits down in the confessional booth, but doesn't utter a word.

The Priest coughs, hoping to get a response.

But the older man just sits and says nothing.

Finally the Priest raps his knuckles three times on the screen.

The older guy mumbles, "Don't bother knocking, pal. There's no paper over here either.”
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Theoneandonly on May 25, 2020, 04:43:02 pm
Folks just a quick query about these screens. I know the subjects been touched upon a couple of times but I have a specific question. Do any of youse know any driver that actually got one installed and passed suitability? Charles Robinson up in ballymount does one that wraps around the driver compartment. I seen photos of the finished job on his fb page. Looks v professional. Does any know about this firm? Reliable etc? It's a saloon I have and I know for sure the 650mm requirement won't be met. Then again I've never seen them being measured at northpoint. Any input would be appreciated.

Get one that is easily removed/replaced and don't have it in place for the suitability test

Are you now a 3 passenger vehicle or will you take 4 ?

yeah ..... Sticker on the passenger window telling them to fuck off and get in the back
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: dalymount on May 25, 2020, 05:24:53 pm
Ok erm lets say are right ,and the NTA dont make screens mandatory.the point im making is,the fact that a hand full of drivers have opted to fit these things,coupled with the fact that fukin Ebbs,and F/N between thm have  put us in a position by telling the public you can have a taxi with a screeen,or one without a screen .theres no contest which the public are going to go dor,and drivers by buying into this crap,are costing the rest of us money,and Ebbs takes the credit.fukin ingenious
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Pugwat on May 25, 2020, 06:05:21 pm
No new deaths today. With a bit of luck this may all pass. Maybe the last thing people will want to see is screens or anything to do with this disease.
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: maxi on May 25, 2020, 06:28:57 pm
No new deaths today. With a bit of luck this may all pass. Maybe the last thing people will want to see is screens or anything to do with this disease.

Personally i think that Ebbs and F..k off N.w they have no authority no more and both of them loosing money. Its up to all us drivers to decide what is good for us.
That plastic covers are highly unsafe for both passenger and public in case of accident. I love to see crash test showing what will happen to both driver and passenger. However that plastic cover creating psychological barrier between customers and driver=more violence at your work place ! Dont Comply , Dont Obey. Hard times coming BEWARE ON HARVESTERS 
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: john m on May 25, 2020, 07:07:55 pm
No new deaths today. With a bit of luck this may all pass. Maybe the last thing people will want to see is screens or anything to do with this disease.


What a SHOCK ..https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-coronavirus-shut-downs-done-well-last-6-10-weeks-2020-3?r=US&IR=T (https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-coronavirus-shut-downs-done-well-last-6-10-weeks-2020-3?r=US&IR=T) 

Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Shallowhal on May 25, 2020, 08:26:59 pm
No new deaths today. With a bit of luck this may all pass. Maybe the last thing people will want to see is screens or anything to do with this disease.


What a SHOCK ..https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-coronavirus-shut-downs-done-well-last-6-10-weeks-2020-3?r=US&IR=T (https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-coronavirus-shut-downs-done-well-last-6-10-weeks-2020-3?r=US&IR=T)

In the US, San Francisco has ordered people to "shelter in place" until April 7,

It's now May 25th....where did ye pull that article John?
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Jack Meoff on May 25, 2020, 09:15:12 pm
Folks just a quick query about these screens. I know the subjects been touched upon a couple of times but I have a specific question. Do any of youse know any driver that actually got one installed and passed suitability? Charles Robinson up in ballymount does one that wraps around the driver compartment. I seen photos of the finished job on his fb page. Looks v professional. Does any know about this firm? Reliable etc? It's a saloon I have and I know for sure the 650mm requirement won't be met. Then again I've never seen them being measured at northpoint. Any input would be appreciated.

Get one that is easily removed/replaced and don't have it in place for the suitability test

Are you now a 3 passenger vehicle or will you take 4 ?

yeah ..... Sticker on the passenger window telling them to fuck off and get in the back

FairPlay
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Belker on May 26, 2020, 08:46:35 am
I have my temporary 'Cling film' screen in place, I doubt it's of any use but it keeps the PC mask wearing hippies happy.
When/If the NTA give us guidelines of what we can install rather than the wishey washey email they sent last week telling us what we cannot install, then I will install a screen that will pass suitability, hopefully the 25Euro FN (fer ambassadors) screen will pass suitability and insurance regulations.
The time will come that FN and all other dispatchers will be offering customers a choice of a Taxi with or without a screen, and priority given to cabs with a screen.
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Belker on May 26, 2020, 09:07:34 am
Folks just a quick query about these screens. I know the subjects been touched upon a couple of times but I have a specific question. Do any of youse know any driver that actually got one installed and passed suitability? Charles Robinson up in ballymount does one that wraps around the driver compartment. I seen photos of the finished job on his fb page. Looks v professional. Does any know about this firm? Reliable etc? It's a saloon I have and I know for sure the 650mm requirement won't be met. Then again I've never seen them being measured at northpoint. Any input would be appreciated.

Get one that is easily removed/replaced and don't have it in place for the suitability test
BTW Martin,
Hugh Jenob/Jackmeoff/Lost me ring to Paddy Power/Deboy, Etc. Etc. are all One in the same person,
much to the shame of Cork he is actually from down here.
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: stonethecrows on May 26, 2020, 11:10:05 am
I have my temporary 'Cling film' screen in place, I doubt it's of any use but it keeps the PC mask wearing hippies happy.
When/If the NTA give us guidelines of what we can install rather than the wishey washey email they sent last week telling us what we cannot install, then I will install a screen that will pass suitability, hopefully the 25Euro FN (fer ambassadors) screen will pass suitability and insurance regulations.
The time will come that FN and all other dispatchers will be offering customers a choice of a Taxi with or without a screen, and priority given to cabs with a screen.
+1
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Bubba Ho-Tep on May 26, 2020, 11:10:30 am
Folks just a quick query about these screens. I know the subjects been touched upon a couple of times but I have a specific question. Do any of youse know any driver that actually got one installed and passed suitability? Charles Robinson up in ballymount does one that wraps around the driver compartment. I seen photos of the finished job on his fb page. Looks v professional. Does any know about this firm? Reliable etc? It's a saloon I have and I know for sure the 650mm requirement won't be met. Then again I've never seen them being measured at northpoint. Any input would be appreciated.
No. SGS haven`t tested any taxis during the screen installing outbreak.
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: mercenary for hire on May 26, 2020, 11:19:09 am
On the Robinson's auto Facebook page it does say that their screens are "suitability compliant".I suppose they should be offering a money back guarantee that they'll pass out.

I also noticed they're offering another screen between the two front seats.Probably about €500  for both screens.Still no evidence that the screens do any good.But they do say they have paperwork so that's something.
 

https://www.facebook.com/RobinsonsAutoCentre/ (https://www.facebook.com/RobinsonsAutoCentre/)
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: stonethecrows on May 26, 2020, 11:23:50 am
On the Robinson's auto Facebook page it does say that their screens are "suitability compliant".I suppose they should be offering a money back guarantee that they'll pass out.

I also noticed they're offering another screen between the two front seats.Probably about €500  for both screens.Still no evidence that the screens do any good.
 

https://www.facebook.com/RobinsonsAutoCentre/ (https://www.facebook.com/RobinsonsAutoCentre/)
Or meet the required standards(none at present) to satisfy the Insurance Co./NCT/SGS when/if they start dishing out standards.
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: mercenary for hire on May 26, 2020, 11:28:01 am
Seems like a lot of money to spend and still to have to wear a mask and wash yer hands constantly.Be easier to put a black bin bag over the passengers head.
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: stonethecrows on May 26, 2020, 11:57:41 am
Seems like a lot of money to spend and still to have to wear a mask and wash yer hands constantly.Be easier to put a black bin bag over the passengers head.
+1 there are some ugly cnuts out there
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: john m on May 26, 2020, 12:46:11 pm
WHERE DID ANY OF YOU GET THE IMPRESSION THAT SCREENS WILL BE PART OF ANY SGS SUITABILITY TEST ?
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Lizzzy on May 26, 2020, 12:49:50 pm
WHERE DID ANY OF YOU GET THE IMPRESSION THAT SCREENS WILL BE PART OF ANY SGS SUITABILITY TEST ?

Korky ?
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Octavia1 on May 26, 2020, 12:53:57 pm
Yet another screen thread  :-\   ::sleep

Sunscreen factor 50 ..4.99 lidls     ...only screen I'm tinkin bout ...the weather is fantastic......ide say ther be a drought now ...( pronounced drouwt ). Pestilence,droubt,  famine , war next ...great crack
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Hugh Jenob on May 26, 2020, 01:08:41 pm
Folks just a quick query about these screens. I know the subjects been touched upon a couple of times but I have a specific question. Do any of youse know any driver that actually got one installed and passed suitability? Charles Robinson up in ballymount does one that wraps around the driver compartment. I seen photos of the finished job on his fb page. Looks v professional. Does any know about this firm? Reliable etc? It's a saloon I have and I know for sure the 650mm requirement won't be met. Then again I've never seen them being measured at northpoint. Any input would be appreciated.

Get one that is easily removed/replaced and don't have it in place for the suitability test
BTW Martin,
Hugh Jenob/Jackmeoff/Lost me ring to Paddy Power/Deboy, Etc. Etc. are all One in the same person,
much to the shame of Cork he is actually from down here.
If you're referring to me, I can assure you that I'm a solo member, not three rolled into one, and where I am located couldn't be further from cork.

Sent from my SM-A705FN using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Screens
Post by: dalymount on May 26, 2020, 03:03:34 pm
Maybe he thinks your the holy trinity ,three divine persons in one ,just like his buddies Kearns,Ebbs and kelly
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: silverbullet on May 26, 2020, 03:44:20 pm
Maybe he thinks your the holy trinity ,three divine persons in one ,just like his buddies Kearns,Ebbs and kelly
Is O'Callaghan the fourth quarter of the Marx brothers?
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: dalymount on May 26, 2020, 06:20:00 pm
No thats F/N sure isnt an ambassador
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Belker on May 27, 2020, 05:38:07 am
WHERE DID ANY OF YOU GET THE IMPRESSION THAT SCREENS WILL BE PART OF ANY SGS SUITABILITY TEST ?
What's with all the SGS lingo ?, SGS were the first company used by the NTA to conduct Taxi suitability tests, which has since been moved to a new company called Applus to do the TAXI SUITABILITY test.
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: silverbullet on May 27, 2020, 07:59:59 pm
WHERE DID ANY OF YOU GET THE IMPRESSION THAT SCREENS WILL BE PART OF ANY SGS SUITABILITY TEST ?
What's with all the SGS lingo ?, SGS were the first company used by the NTA to conduct Taxi suitability tests, which has since been moved to a new company called Applus to do the TAXI SUITABILITY test.
Applus+ was first, then SGS and back to Applus+. Applus+ lost the contract as a result of corruption being exposed via Primetime.
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: dalymount on May 27, 2020, 08:15:31 pm
Dont know,about you,but the way I see it is,every driver who installs,a screen is making it that much nearer being compulsory.not because the NTA might make it compulsory,but because customers will refuse to travel in none,screened cars so we are our own worst enemies,and bringing additional expense upon ourselves,not to mention potentially new rules as well as far as suitability,NCT,and insurance is concerned.please stop the madness now by other drivers incurring additional expense just so some of you think tou will gain an advantage over other drivers.this is a time we should all stand together well thats what I think anyway
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Theoneandonly on May 27, 2020, 11:39:50 pm
Dont know,about you,but the way I see it is,every driver who installs,a screen is making it that much nearer being compulsory.not because the NTA might make it compulsory,but because customers will refuse to travel in none,screened cars so we are our own worst enemies,and bringing additional expense upon ourselves,not to mention potentially new rules as well as far as suitability,NCT,and insurance is concerned.please stop the madness now by other drivers incurring additional expense just so some of you think tou will gain an advantage over other drivers.this is a time we should all stand together well thats what I think anyway
I was hoping for an edge over other drivers by having a screen, now as you are starting to realise the screen is becoming a necessity, forget the NTA, if you want to be in the game you'll now require a screen
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: dalymount on May 28, 2020, 07:11:42 am
Not STARTING to realize it only,I said it a long time ago.but the fact is,it is one section of drivers putting pressure on another section of drivers to get these things in,and the end result is we ALL suffer.it was initiated by dispatchers as well,who no doubt will claim the credit,while we pick up the  tab
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Jack Meoff on May 28, 2020, 08:24:48 am
If your offering a service with a screen fitted then you shouldn’t carry passengers in the front seat.
See loads of drivers with screens and having front seat passengers
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Belker on May 28, 2020, 08:34:59 am
....I was hoping for an edge over other drivers by having a screen, now as you are starting to realise the screen is becoming a necessity, forget the NTA, if you want to be in the game you'll now require a screen
I have no problem with installing a screen, I just don't want to install one only fer the NTA to come out a week later with screen terms and conditions that mine would/might not meet.
I'll stick with the shitty looking clingfilm screen till the NTA instruct us further.

Fer the NTA it's a 'Rock and a Hard place', in the event of a crash,
If they tell us to go heavy on the screens then it might cause injury to a passenger.
If they tell us to go very light then it may cause suffocation to a passenger.
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: dalymount on May 28, 2020, 09:16:11 am
The only reason the NTA would ever start interfering in whether we have to have screens or not,is because drivers installed them off their own batt wiithout any prompting from the NTA the NTA will probably make them compulsory later on,because they will assume thats what the drrivers want ,when in fact it is the drivers themselves who are eventually going to heap this additional expense,and new rules because of the lead taken by cute whore dispatchers who take the credit,while we pick up the tab
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: john m on May 28, 2020, 09:18:08 am
FOR FUCK SAKE What sort of stupit are ye .The NTA couldnt be clearer on screens THEY OFFER NO PROTECTION clearly stated in their E mail so they will not be issuing any guidance on something they have decided has no worth .They ADVISED if YOU CHOOSE to fit one as it is YOUR BUSINESS you MUST adhere to some simple GUIDELINES .DO NOT INTERFERE WITH SAFETY DEVICES like head rests or airbags or seatbelt mounts .Do not place any sharp objects in your vehicle ie Glass or Perspects or anything that could shatter and injure occupants this probably includes nodding dogs on the dashboard .They have issued ONE ABSOLUTE GUIDELINE and it is you must not restrict the space available for passengers below the minimum standard required at suitability .IT COULDNT BE ANY CLEARER .All of the other criteria already apply to present suitability tests .
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: dalymount on May 28, 2020, 09:28:26 am
John .you dont seem to get it.its not what the NTA says,or does,its the PUBLICS perception that these things are protective of their health,and as long as that is the case,then drivers WITHOUT them havent a fukin hope.then tou have the likes of F/N and Ebbs telling the public they can have a taxi WITH a screen as opposed to one WITHOUT a screen.you and I both know they offer no protection,but Ebbs and free now have painted a different picture for the customers
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: john m on May 28, 2020, 09:28:42 am
The only reason the NTA would ever start interfering in whether we have to have screens or not,is because drivers installed them off their own batt wiithout any prompting from the NTA the NTA will probably make them compulsory later on,because they will assume thats what the drrivers want ,when in fact it is the drivers themselves who are eventually going to heap this additional expense,and new rules because of the lead taken by cute whore dispatchers who take the credit,while we pick up the tab

Your never for listening are you .We were previously asked if we wanted screens we said No and the taxithingey accepted that WHY ?Because they would of  carried out an engineering report and found they could not fit them to cars as they are not universal .They would of  discovered that fitting them would obstruct the Airbags or head rests prevent the movement of the front seat for the comfort of the paying passenger they would of also   carried out a Materials assessment and found that Polycarbon not Glass or Perspects would be safest .They would also find  that Fixing would require modifications to the integral design of the Vehicle Ie drilling the subframe to affix any screen and that would not be in line with the Original design safety standard of the vehicle .Trow a few quid at it and ask for a FOI report on the fitting of Screens to Saloon Cars .
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: john m on May 28, 2020, 09:33:44 am
John .you dont seem to get it.its not what the NTA says,or does,its the PUBLICS perception that these things are protective of their health,and as long as that is the case,then drivers WITHOUT them havent a fukin hope.then tou have the likes of F/N and Ebbs telling the public they can have a taxi WITH a screen as opposed to one WITHOUT a screen.you and I both know they offer no protection,but Ebbs and free now have painted a different picture for the customers

Ah I do miss the Good old days collecting old clother with a horse and cart and giving the kids baloons and blowey things .Business evolves Dollymount just like all seater stadiums or colour telleys in Bookies .I remember when it was against the law to have a telly in a bookies .
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: dalymount on May 28, 2020, 09:34:18 am
So why did you fit one then ?
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: dalymount on May 28, 2020, 09:38:05 am
Jeezj your older then I thought if ya remember the horse and cart ,giving out ballons etc steptoe and son eat your heart out,John and Dommo remember the good auld days
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: john m on May 28, 2020, 09:46:46 am
So why did you fit one then ?

Dollyer The traveling public who pay us might want them if they do I have one .I fit one for the same reason I wash the car .It looks good to the customer and even though the taxi thingey say they do not work we do not know what criteria they were risk assessing against I believe a screen would cut down on cross contamination so for my personal welfare I think fitting a screen is prudent .
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: dalymount on May 28, 2020, 09:55:53 am
So in other words you agree with me.you had to get one in because of the pressure from other drivers,and dispatchers scum ?
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: john m on May 28, 2020, 10:22:42 am
So in other words you agree with me.you had to get one in because of the pressure from other drivers,and dispatchers scum ?

Are you illiterate .I clearly stated two issues .1 The people who pay me might like one fitted .2.I personally consider it prudent to create a safer space for ME .I never mentioned any Dispatcher .
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: dalymount on May 28, 2020, 11:40:44 am
Well thats who introduced them,Ebbs,and F=N between them
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Bob Shillin on June 15, 2020, 05:33:55 pm

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Title: Re: Screens
Post by: mercenary for hire on June 15, 2020, 05:41:54 pm
Sorry Bob but which screen did you have? I'm assuming that's your document?
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Theoneandonly on June 15, 2020, 05:43:32 pm

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Bring it back without the screen
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Theoneandonly on June 15, 2020, 05:44:10 pm
Has anyone got a copy of the free now waiver form they get you to sign?
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Bob Shillin on June 15, 2020, 05:45:56 pm
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Sorry it's upside down, don't know how to fix it.
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Bob Shillin on June 15, 2020, 05:47:35 pm
No not my screen. Won't be fitting one unless income severely affected. Mine is a  1 car house.
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: dalymount on June 15, 2020, 06:01:43 pm
Who is that letter from,and who is it to.I cant enlarge it,so I cant really make out what it said,but it seems to bare out what I said all along about the dispatchers being responsible since it is at their insistance you all fitted them in the first place.has anyone told Ken about his beloved F,N ?
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: stonethecrows on June 15, 2020, 06:04:20 pm
Thats fckn putting up to FN
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Theoneandonly on June 15, 2020, 06:04:20 pm
Who is that letter from,and who is it to.I cant enlarge it,so I cant really make out what it said,but it seems to bare out what I said all along about the dispatchers being responsible since it is at their insistance you all fitted them in the first place.has anyone told Ken about his beloved F,N ?

It's from a driver to FN complaining that the screen didn't pass suitability therefore isn't legal and shouldn't be advertised on their system as an option
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: dalymount on June 15, 2020, 06:11:19 pm
Well kinda bares out what I said all along that drivers should seek clarification about insurance NCT and suitability from F,N
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: mercenary for hire on June 15, 2020, 06:11:28 pm
I doubt Adventure signs who install the screens have an engineer on their payroll.The bloke who owns the ladder is probably the boss.
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Theoneandonly on June 15, 2020, 06:16:04 pm
I doubt Adventure signs who install the screens have an engineer on their payroll.The bloke who owns the ladder is probably the boss.

I've read the disclaimer/waiver but don't have a copy, it states that they don't accept any responsibility regarding NTA/NCT/Insurance failing to accept the product, it's fairly long and legalistic
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: dalymount on June 15, 2020, 06:18:16 pm
Yet they recommended it ?
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: stonethecrows on June 15, 2020, 06:24:31 pm
Yet they recommended it ?
And are offering what appears to be an "Illegal" Taxi service fitted with a screen
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: watty on June 15, 2020, 06:26:45 pm
(https://i.ibb.co/Tc98Mhv/CCF-000004.png) (https://ibb.co/hs3WF87)

This is the letter in the correct orientation - click on it to make it bigger  O:-)
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: dalymount on June 15, 2020, 06:32:08 pm
I wonder does the same thing apply to Ebbs ?
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Bob Shillin on June 15, 2020, 06:37:03 pm
(https://i.ibb.co/Tc98Mhv/CCF-000004.png) (https://ibb.co/hs3WF87)

This is the letter in the correct orientation - click on it to make it bigger  O:-)
Thanks Watty.
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Bob Shillin on June 15, 2020, 06:39:17 pm
Who is that letter from,and who is it to.I cant enlarge it,so I cant really make out what it said,but it seems to bare out what I said all along about the dispatchers being responsible since it is at their insistance you all fitted them in the first place.has anyone told Ken about his beloved F,N ?
A driver to FN. Not anyone I know personally, forwarded to me by another driver I know. I have redacted the driver's name from the letter myself, so his name is known to me.
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Theoneandonly on June 15, 2020, 06:40:19 pm
Free now are covered by the Waiver drivers sign when they get the screen fitted.
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Theoneandonly on June 15, 2020, 06:43:47 pm
Taxi drivers and their spokespeople are going to talk us out of having screens in our vehicles, thereby making it less safe for us to operate, where we should be screaming to be allowed have these, we will be fighting to have them removed, hopefully I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Bob Shillin on June 15, 2020, 06:48:21 pm
Today's score 0/18.
Have yet to meet, or know of anyone personally who got the pox.
Clearly 25k got it, and they clearly don't move in my orbit.
Anyone know for certain of a taxi driver, or passenger who can confirm that they got the pox in a taxi?
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: john m on June 15, 2020, 06:59:11 pm
Hugh try read the forum .THERE IS NO STANDARD FOR SCREENS ........THE NTA HAVE SAID THEY DO NOT OFFER ANY PROTECTION .There are guidelines you must not reduce the internal space below the standard .you must not interfere with safety devices ie airbags or head rests .You must use shatter proof material .As far as I know with the exception of the spring loaded compression fitted rubber edged screen I made myself no screen available on the market meets the requirements laid down by the NTA that would guarantee that they would pass suitability IF SCREENS ever become part of the suitability test .WHERE DID YOU GET THE IDEA THAT SCREENS WILL BE PART OF THE SUITABILITY TEST ?

I have a Suitability tomorrow Im removing the Screen until I get a chance to talk to the inspector and see if he has been advised on what to look for .Ill report back if there are any standards .As it stands fitting a screen is not part of the suitability so why give them the chance to fail you .I once wrote to the Minister for Motoring (unelected ) to ask what qualifications the SGS inspectors had to judge if fabric was dirty or clean or worn as their judgement on this could render me out of work .The Minister failed to respond to my queery .So if screens can be examined by Suitability inspectors what are the Criteria and what training have they recieved ?


BUT STILL SOMEBODY DECIDED TO TRY PASS A TEST WITHOUT KNOWING THE STANDARD Hu taxi drivers
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: markmiwurdz on June 15, 2020, 07:08:50 pm
Free Now right now
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Title: Re: Screens
Post by: john m on June 15, 2020, 07:42:01 pm
Just back from the Suitability with out screen as I posted earlier I did not know the rules so why risk it ..The Official rule IF YOU FIT A SCREEN YOU MUST INFORM YOUR INSURER OF THE MODIFICATION AND THEY MUST ISSUE YOU WITH A LETTER SAYING THAT YOU ARE INSURED AND THAT THEY ARE HAPPY IT CONFORMS TO THE NTA GUIDELINES ..So its an insurance issue first and foremost .Remember the guidelines you must not reduce the space anchor to any of the safety devices ie headrests  seat belt mounts or obstruct airbags and you must use shatter proof material .That is the OFFICIAL WORD as issued to inspectors this morning .
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: watty on June 15, 2020, 07:50:37 pm
Yeah but you and me both got emails from our insurance companies where they basically shrugged their shoulders and said they didn't care...

I'm too lazy to find yours.  And mine (BJP broker) pre-dates all this shite... the re-opening of the NCT/suitability.
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I would advise that at present AXA Insurance have not requested any specific requirements for screens, however, I would refer you to the NTA regulations regarding screens. They have advised that any screens will need to be to their requirements at your next SGS and if not your taxi will not be passed out.

Has anyone actually asked their insurance company for a letter?  Things get serious when people ask for stuff in writing  C:-)
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Shallowhal on June 15, 2020, 08:04:20 pm

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So it failed on an insurance check....how are those FN screen anchored?
If the driver has the proper letter from his insurers....would the next reason for a fail be how it held in place and then a letter of conformity from the manufacturer.....i'd love to see the actual list of possible failures for the screens!!
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: stonethecrows on June 15, 2020, 08:08:33 pm

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So it failed on an insurance check....how are those FN screen anchored?
If the driver has the proper letter from his insurers....would the next reason for a fail be how it held in place and then a letter of conformity from the manufacturer.....i'd love to see the actual list of possible failures for the screens!!
Its a virtual list in the testers loaf
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Shallowhal on June 15, 2020, 08:15:05 pm

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So it failed on an insurance check....how are those FN screen anchored?
If the driver has the proper letter from his insurers....would the next reason for a fail be how it held in place and then a letter of conformity from the manufacturer.....i'd love to see the actual list of possible failures for the screens!!
Its a virtual list in the testers loaf

I agree STC's...they been given a directive.....if the NTA say there's no proof that the screens are effective then why the fuk did supermarkets install them....to protect their staff?
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: silverbullet on June 15, 2020, 08:17:19 pm
Got a screen fitted today - €25.

The fitter says 1700 fitted and no complaints.

Another 5,000 to go.

Ken, the fitter is in Cork tomorrow if you're interested.

A guy with a Transit had a problem re his insurance. The fitter says vans have a greater difficulty conforming, whereas saloons are flying through the T.S.T.

It'll be a few weeks before I'm due to do a taxi test, so I'll keep my counsel until then.

If all fails I'll simply remove the screen  - two cable ties - and retrofit afterward.
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: watty on June 15, 2020, 08:25:50 pm
WAT's need to have an intercom in the safety screen so there could be electrical complications - maybe you need a sign-off from an electrician as well?
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: silverbullet on June 15, 2020, 08:30:24 pm
WAT's need to have an intercom in the safety screen so there could be electrical complications - maybe you need a sign-off from an electrician as well?
The guy I spoke to got an email guarantee from Adventure Branding on the insurance issue. It has to be said perspex is far more durable than side glass.
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Theoneandonly on June 15, 2020, 08:36:33 pm
WAT's need to have an intercom in the safety screen so there could be electrical complications - maybe you need a sign-off from an electrician as well?
The guy I spoke to got an email guarantee from Adventure Branding on the insurance issue. It has to be said perspex is far more durable than side glass.

Perspex shatters, polypropylene doesn't, that's the mistake I made first time
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: silverbullet on June 15, 2020, 08:38:34 pm
WAT's need to have an intercom in the safety screen so there could be electrical complications - maybe you need a sign-off from an electrician as well?
The guy I spoke to got an email guarantee from Adventure Branding on the insurance issue. It has to be said perspex is far more durable than side glass.

Perspex shatters, polypropylene doesn't, that's the mistake I made first time
Is the FN job polypropylene?
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Theoneandonly on June 15, 2020, 08:40:06 pm
WAT's need to have an intercom in the safety screen so there could be electrical complications - maybe you need a sign-off from an electrician as well?
The guy I spoke to got an email guarantee from Adventure Branding on the insurance issue. It has to be said perspex is far more durable than side glass.

Perspex shatters, polypropylene doesn't, that's the mistake I made first time
Is the FN job polypropylene?
yeah
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: john m on June 15, 2020, 08:43:09 pm
Yeah but you and me both got emails from our insurance companies where they basically shrugged their shoulders and said they didn't care...

I'm too lazy to find yours.  And mine (BJP broker) pre-dates all this shite... the re-opening of the NCT/suitability.
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I would advise that at present AXA Insurance have not requested any specific requirements for screens, however, I would refer you to the NTA regulations regarding screens. They have advised that any screens will need to be to their requirements at your next SGS and if not your taxi will not be passed out.

Has anyone actually asked their insurance company for a letter?  Things get serious when people ask for stuff in writing  C:-)

Here is Axa Reply

websiteinboxroi@axa.ie <websiteinboxroi@axa.ie>
Fri, May 1, 10:44 AM
to ***************@iol.ie

Hello,

 

I can confirm it is fine to fit a safety screen.

 

We would not penalise you for protecting yourself.

 

Kind regards


Not Penalise is vague .It dosent say what type of screen or how it is to be fitted .
 
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Shallowhal on June 15, 2020, 09:19:25 pm
Not Penalise is vague .It dosent say what type of screen or how it is to be fitted .


They'll say make sure it conforms to NTA regulations.
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: john m on June 15, 2020, 09:49:43 pm
Not Penalise is vague .It dosent say what type of screen or how it is to be fitted .


They'll say make sure it conforms to NTA regulations.

The one I made is probably the only one but I wont be using it .The Free Now in Taxi Advertising Screens dont seem to conform .
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Dr. Martin Gooter Bling on June 15, 2020, 10:06:56 pm
I'd be well in favour of installing a charlie sheen to keep cunts out of your ear.
the problem is you'll be listening to gimps saying it's all a loada bollocks.
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: dalymount on June 15, 2020, 10:28:22 pm
I personally dont think there will be much demand for them either by customers or drivers,but obviously I dont know .its anyone's guess
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Dr. Martin Gooter Bling on June 15, 2020, 10:49:08 pm
I can imagine if you happen to cough or sneeze and you have the mask and rubber glove brigade in the car things might get real dicey.
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: john m on June 15, 2020, 11:02:50 pm
People will adapt .Moreen Skully not from the flats but she hung around there wouldnt let Tommy Two Scars Fuck her because he wouldnt wear a Frenchie so he adapted and settled for a Gobble and everybody was happy .So if the Punters dont like the Bus they will take a taxi or Walk .People will adapt to the situation .
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Theoneandonly on June 16, 2020, 12:40:43 am
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Robinson has stated that his screen will pass NTA/Insurance checks  ... is he authroised (sic) to say that
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Hugh Jenob on June 16, 2020, 12:54:02 am
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Robinson has stated that his screen will pass NTA/Insurance checks  ... is he authroised (sic) to say that
Like everyone else, he can say what he wants. I've got one from him complete with engineer's report. No issues from insurance company. I've recorded all conversations with them too (whether that would be any help is anyone's guess). NTA have no issues with this according to one of their recent covid advisory communications. See below....

How do I keep my vehicle clean to reduce the spread of the Coronavirus? »   Regularly disinfect surfaces, such as card payment devices, steering wheels, gear stick, handbrake, door handles, seats and the backs of seats and headrests - Pay close attention to all surfaces that are touched often by passengers. »   Wash hands frequently with soap and water (you can keep a bottle of water, soap and towels in your vehicle) or use a sanitizer gel if you have it – refer to the HSE handwashing guidelines. » Do not touch your face. »   Carry a box of tissues and use tissues to catch coughs and sneezes. Dispose of used tissues in the bin as soon as possible »   *Consider putting a see through protective screen or barrier between yourself and your passengers*. Some drivers have already installed Perspex screens or strong clear plastic sheets. Consideration should be given to the safety of both driver and passengers and the placement of such screens in order to ensure that the effective operation of safety equipment such as side airbags are not hindered. »   Place the HSE COVID 19 information for your passengers in the rear of your vehicle so that it is clearly visible.

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Title: Re: Screens
Post by: john m on June 16, 2020, 08:52:52 am
Perspects is not an acceptable Material for a screen .Tissues ! where are they to be carried in the Vehicle are they liable to inspection at SGS and what bin are they talking about .Are any screen installers handing out insurance clearance forms ie have they gotten Pre approval for the screens they are selling from any Insurance Companies ?
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: mercenary for hire on June 16, 2020, 10:20:08 am
Robinson's screen was a security screen with holes in it.Not meant for use as a sneeze guard but that's what they're selling it as.Maybe you'd need to seal up the gaps.
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: john m on June 16, 2020, 10:27:16 am
Robinson's screen was a security screen with holes in it.Not meant for use as a sneeze guard but that's what they're selling it as.Maybe you'd need to seal up the gaps.
Do they meet a standard that is acceptable to the NCT and Insurers and do you get a Cert guaranteeing that they will pass the test ?
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: mercenary for hire on June 16, 2020, 10:36:00 am
I could be wrong but they had ads up saying they would pass suitability somewhere, maybe. Adverts or Donedeal.They have a Facebook page with more detail.

They might have been selling them before Covid 19 as security screens.

Remember the black cabs in London all have screens as standard and they plugged up all the holes for cash to transport covid hospital patients.

https://www.facebook.com/RobinsonsAutoCentre/ (https://www.facebook.com/RobinsonsAutoCentre/)
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: john m on June 16, 2020, 10:53:28 am
Do you remember the Taxiwhatsit asked us did we want Screens two years ago I wonder if any one supplying them ever put in an FOI request for the Engineers report the NTA were relying on to make the decision on the type of screens that would of been suitable .

I would bet money it stated that fixing was a problem as we do not have a standard cab .I would bet Safety issues like Airbags ,Safety devices and fixing was a problem I would Bet that the list of suitable materials ruled out certain Plastics and Glass .I know this is where the NTA got the information from when they issued their guidelines on Screens .The NTA would not of issued ANY guidelines without supporting Documentation .
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Theoneandonly on June 16, 2020, 11:28:42 am
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Robinson has stated that his screen will pass NTA/Insurance checks  ... is he authroised (sic) to say that
Did nobody spot the spelling on his taxi branding sign? who would trust this man with their signage?
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: mercenary for hire on June 16, 2020, 11:28:59 am
The car companies spend billions on developing new vehicles with 5 star NCAP ratings but then the taxi driver puts in a twenty euro advertising screen in that could cut someones head off in a high-speed collision.It's always a bad idea to modify yer vehicle.

The sad thing is Kens DIY screen is probably the safest in the fleet but it's not worth a bollox as far as COVID protection is concerned.

Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Shallowhal on June 16, 2020, 11:38:39 am
The NTA say no screen will stop the oul covid,
Was in Chadwicks yesterday and they had the plastic screen on the counters and you had to stand a metre from the counter....i thought i was a VIP with all the fuckin don't stand here tape.
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: mercenary for hire on June 16, 2020, 11:49:09 am
For the NTA to issue idiot-proof guidelines they would need to get proper consultants involved with an engineering background. Them lads don't work for a tenner an hour like us shitheads. The survey would cost a few hundred grand and we'd end up getting recommended to buy screens that cost more than we pay in tax every year.

Remember they spent loadsa good money on wind tunnel testing to see where would be the most fuel-efficient place to put the roof sign?

We'd be better off staying quiet until the pandemic passes IMO.Tell Freenow to go and fuk themselves with their shite screens.

Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Theoneandonly on June 16, 2020, 12:03:05 pm
Rang AXA, they're sending out a one line letter to anyone that wants one stating that they are aware you have a screen fitted. mine is on the way.

It seems we pretty much self assess whether or not it meets standards.
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: mercenary for hire on June 16, 2020, 12:10:51 pm
It's a pity the plastic face shields look so daft otherwise more people would wear them.In Japan they wear them in the pub.Dont think it will catch on here.
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: john m on June 16, 2020, 12:39:12 pm
Rang AXA, they're sending out a one line letter to anyone that wants one stating that they are aware you have a screen fitted. mine is on the way.

It seems we pretty much self assess whether or not it meets standards.

Thanks Martin just sent them an E mail looking for consent to fit my screen .
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: dalymount on June 16, 2020, 01:16:16 pm
AXA might be acknowledging you have a screen fitted,but they are not saying if you would be covered in the event of an accident.that would be far to vague for my liking
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Theoneandonly on June 16, 2020, 01:27:53 pm
AXA might be acknowledging you have a screen fitted,but they are not saying if you would be covered in the event of an accident.that would be far to vague for my liking

They are doing what they can to facilitate people fitting the screens into their vehicle, without the burden of having to check every screen individually, in order to say that the screen meets whatever standard you wish to apply they'd have to physically check them, which given we're in the midst a global pandemic isn't doable, therefore they are giving a blanket acknowledgement and allowing drivers to "self assess"
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: silverbullet on June 16, 2020, 01:28:13 pm
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Robinson has stated that his screen will pass NTA/Insurance checks  ... is he authroised (sic) to say that
Did nobody spot the spelling on his taxi branding sign? who would trust this man with their signage?
Imagine him doing headstones? OUR DARLING LITTLE ANGLE, DIED AND GONE TO HEAVEN! 8)
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: john m on June 16, 2020, 01:32:29 pm
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Robinson has stated that his screen will pass NTA/Insurance checks  ... is he authroised (sic) to say that
Did nobody spot the spelling on his taxi branding sign? who would trust this man with their signage?
Imagine him doing headstones? OUR DARLING LITTLE ANGLE, DIED AND GONE TO HEAVEN! 8)

You need to explain that one to me Bullett. lol lol
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: silverbullet on June 16, 2020, 01:37:50 pm
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Robinson has stated that his screen will pass NTA/Insurance checks  ... is he authroised (sic) to say that
Did nobody spot the spelling on his taxi branding sign? who would trust this man with their signage?
Imagine him doing headstones? OUR DARLING LITTLE ANGLE, DIED AND GONE TO HEAVEN! 8)

You need to explain that one to me Bullett. lol lol

ANGLE/ANGEL.

An old friend of mine used to do engraving on headstones and was dyslexic (But worked cheap) did that exact thing. 8)
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: john m on June 16, 2020, 01:44:21 pm
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Robinson has stated that his screen will pass NTA/Insurance checks  ... is he authroised (sic) to say that
Did nobody spot the spelling on his taxi branding sign? who would trust this man with their signage?
Imagine him doing headstones? OUR DARLING LITTLE ANGLE, DIED AND GONE TO HEAVEN! 8)

You need to explain that one to me Bullett. lol lol

ANGLE/ANGEL.

An old friend of mine used to do engraving on headstones and was dyslexic (But worked cheap) did that exact thing. 8)

Really you had to explane that .
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Octavia1 on June 16, 2020, 01:52:58 pm
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Robinson has stated that his screen will pass NTA/Insurance checks  ... is he authroised (sic) to say that
Did nobody spot the spelling on his taxi branding sign? who would trust this man with their signage?
Imagine him doing headstones? OUR DARLING LITTLE ANGLE, DIED AND GONE TO HEAVEN! 8)

You need to explain that one to me Bullett. lol lol

ANGLE/ANGEL.

An old friend of mine used to do engraving on headstones and was dyslexic (But worked cheap) did that exact thing. 8)

Dyslexics lives matter two
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Hugh Jenob on June 16, 2020, 02:11:38 pm
Recieved this from NTA 10 mins ago. Took them 3 weeks to sort it and get back to me....

Case Reference: CA098396
Dear Mr xxxx,
Thank you for contacting the NTA (National Transport Authority). We refer to your recent correspondence received on 29th May 2020.
There is no specific SPSV prohibition regarding the temporary installation of Covid-19 dividing screens in SPSV’s. In order to remain compliant with SPSV internal vehicle dimensions, sufficient legroom should remain (650mm minimum) measured longitudinally and horizontally from the front face of the backrest at uncompressed squab height to the rear face of the seat or surface immediately in front of it. It is also a requirement for the internal temperature within the vehicle to be maintained to at least 20° C (with engine idling) during an external ambient temperature of -5° C. Depending on the vehicle model, this may not be possible where a dividing screen is installed preventing heating and ventilation systems from operating as designed by the vehicle manufacturer.
Operators must notify their vehicle insurance provider in relation to any temporary dividing screen fitted and ensure that any such installation does not otherwise compromise the safety of the vehicle, or render the insurance policy invalid. Confirmation from the insurance provider which acknowledges the temporary modifications made should be presented at the inspection centre.
Please review the ‘Advisory Guidelines: Temporary COVID-19 Dividing Screens’ document which is available from the forms and guides section of the NTA website for further details:
 
Seems they're happy with it pending verification of insurance companies clearance.

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Title: Re: Screens
Post by: dalymount on June 16, 2020, 02:19:37 pm
They use the word TEMPORARY quite a lot,so you could enter into a situation where you pay ( say) Robinson a lot of money to install something that is only temporary
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Theoneandonly on June 16, 2020, 02:22:03 pm
Recieved this from NTA 10 mins ago. Took them 3 weeks to sort it and get back to me....

Case Reference: CA098396
Dear Mr xxxx,
Thank you for contacting the NTA (National Transport Authority). We refer to your recent correspondence received on 29th May 2020.
There is no specific SPSV prohibition regarding the temporary installation of Covid-19 dividing screens in SPSV’s. In order to remain compliant with SPSV internal vehicle dimensions, sufficient legroom should remain (650mm minimum) measured longitudinally and horizontally from the front face of the backrest at uncompressed squab height to the rear face of the seat or surface immediately in front of it. It is also a requirement for the internal temperature within the vehicle to be maintained to at least 20° C (with engine idling) during an external ambient temperature of -5° C. Depending on the vehicle model, this may not be possible where a dividing screen is installed preventing heating and ventilation systems from operating as designed by the vehicle manufacturer.
Operators must notify their vehicle insurance provider in relation to any temporary dividing screen fitted and ensure that any such installation does not otherwise compromise the safety of the vehicle, or render the insurance policy invalid. Confirmation from the insurance provider which acknowledges the temporary modifications made should be presented at the inspection centre.
Please review the ‘Advisory Guidelines: Temporary COVID-19 Dividing Screens’ document which is available from the forms and guides section of the NTA website for further details:
 
Seems they're happy with it pending verification of insurance companies clearance.

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So a one line letter to anyone that wants one stating that they are aware you have a screen fitted, which the insurance companies are happy to supply will suffice.
Looks like another "let's cover our ass" exercise from the NTA , much like the tamper sticker debacle
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Theoneandonly on June 16, 2020, 02:22:44 pm
They use the word TEMPORARY quite a lot,so you could enter into a situation where you pay ( say) Robinson a lot of money to install something that is only temporary
insofar as the pandemic is "temporary"
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Hugh Jenob on June 16, 2020, 02:26:06 pm
Yes I noticed that. It looks like they are trying to cover all bases. Still, I'll be rocking up to Northpoint with me insurers confirmation letter. If the same cnut that failed me for the first aid kit 2 years ago fails me again, he'll be going for a spin in the boot. [emoji51]

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Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Belker on June 16, 2020, 02:51:11 pm
Rang AXA, they're sending out a one line letter to anyone that wants one stating that they are aware you have a screen fitted. mine is on the way.

It seems we pretty much self assess whether or not it meets standards.

Thanks Martin just sent them an E mail looking for consent to fit my screen .
@ John M, you asked fer answers and I have a few fer you.

I passed suitability at 9.15am this morning questioning the NTA inspector about insurance fer FN partition screens.
He told me that; "In order to pass suitability you must have a letter from your insurance company saying that you have informed them of the partition screen".
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Belker on June 16, 2020, 03:04:00 pm
An hour after suitability I had a FN screen fitted fer a Pony, again I questioned the screen installer and took his name and the name of the company 'Adventure branding' that were fitting the screen because as the NTA state;
"Installation and maintenance of a dividing screen should be in full  accordance with the manufacturer’s specification and recommendations, and installed by a named person with the technical knowledge and training required".

https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/200526_Advisory_Guidelines_Temporary_COVID_19_Dividing_Screens_V2.pdf (https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/200526_Advisory_Guidelines_Temporary_COVID_19_Dividing_Screens_V2.pdf)
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: mercenary for hire on June 16, 2020, 03:07:11 pm
Technical Knowledge and training required.....I'd say the sign installers would struggle to put an IKEA table together.
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Jack Meoff on June 16, 2020, 03:11:00 pm
It’s just 2 tie wraps
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: dalymount on June 16, 2020, 03:18:10 pm
Do ya wha.its like a show jumper after completing a clear round ,but just for the hell of it he goes back to jump the last fence again ,evem though if he doesn't get over,he will fail the competition.talk about bringing fukin problems on yourselves,no wonder FDS always says thats why some drive taxis
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Belker on June 16, 2020, 03:19:15 pm
Then I rang AXA looking fer a cover letter to say that I had a FN screen installed and the AXA person told me that they were only sending out such letters to Taxi drivers who had a suitability inspection due, so I quoted this line from the NTA PDF email to them;
"If  during  the  licensing  renewal  inspection  (or  during  a  compliance  inspection)  of  the  vehicle,  it  is found  that  these  guidelines  have  not  been  complied  with  the  vehicle  may  not  be  licensed  or  an existing licence may be suspended".
https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/200526_Advisory_Guidelines_Temporary_COVID_19_Dividing_Screens_V2.pdf (https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/200526_Advisory_Guidelines_Temporary_COVID_19_Dividing_Screens_V2.pdf)
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: john m on June 16, 2020, 03:26:10 pm
If you notice this notice you will notice that this notice is not worth noticing .
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Belker on June 16, 2020, 03:28:18 pm
I went on to explain to the AXA person that a 'Compliance inspection' basically means that if a Taxi driver is stopped on the street by a Taxi regulator and has no insurance cover letter fer his partition screen, then he may have his license suspended.
AXA told me that my cover letter would be in the post to me today.

I hope that answers a few questions fer you John M.
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: john m on June 16, 2020, 03:41:38 pm
Your letter will say you told them you have a screen ? What does that mean .It dosent answer any question just presents a different one .
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: john m on June 16, 2020, 03:48:38 pm
I banged off this E mail ...I am a licenced Taxi Driver in Dublin policy number 08/59/*********(N).I have constructed a Screen in line with NTA guidelines that can be   fitted without hindering any of the safety devices in my vehicle .It is constructed from compliant polycarbon and is trimmed with rubber foam to protect users from any edges .Do I need to seek your consent ,make you aware or undergo any engineers test before I can actually install this protective device .Can you please issue me with guidance or permission to install this device .
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Belker on June 16, 2020, 04:08:40 pm
Your letter will say you told them you have a screen ? What does that mean .It dosent answer any question just presents a different one .
It means that I am fully licensed and insured to drive my cab.

You can Split Hairs all day long about unlikely 'Snowflake' scenarios,
but after a long, long morning starting with Car wash @ 6.30am,
Valet at 7.30am, update First Aid kit in pharmacy @ 9am,
Suitability @ 9.30am, FN Screen fitting @ 10.15am,
and then take all the photos and upload them to FN
fer both Screen passing and Suitability passing,
and then 30 mins on hold to AXA to sort the insurance letter,
all told it was 1.30pm before I got to sit down after 7 hours of whatever !

But at least now I know I'm Good to Go !
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Belker on June 16, 2020, 04:15:26 pm
I banged off this E mail ...I am a licenced Taxi Driver in Dublin policy number 08/59/*********(N).I have constructed a Screen in line with NTA guidelines that can be   fitted without hindering any of the safety devices in my vehicle .It is constructed from compliant polycarbon and is trimmed with rubber foam to protect users from any edges .Do I need to seek your consent ,make you aware or undergo any engineers test before I can actually install this protective device .Can you please issue me with guidance or permission to install this device .
Best of Luck with it John M, but they might catch ya out on this one;
"Installation and maintenance of a dividing screen should be in full  accordance with the manufacturer’s specification and recommendations, and installed by a named person with the technical knowledge and training required".
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: john m on June 16, 2020, 05:02:02 pm
It’s just 2 tie wraps

Around the Headrests ?
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Belker on June 16, 2020, 05:21:51 pm
It’s just 2 tie wraps

Around the Headrests ?
Around the Iron bar thing that holds up the head rests, which does not restrict the head rest from any movement.
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Theoneandonly on June 16, 2020, 05:27:29 pm
It’s just 2 tie wraps

Around the Headrests ?
Around the Iron bar thing that holds up the head rests, which does not restrict the head rest from any movement.

See? self assessment means you can adjust reality to your own ends
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Bob Shillin on June 16, 2020, 06:17:39 pm
"See? you can adjust reality to your own ends"

Consult Dalymount for further information.

Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Belker on June 16, 2020, 06:24:57 pm
"See? you can adjust reality to your own ends"

Consult Dalymount for further information.
rofl
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: john m on June 16, 2020, 06:29:06 pm
Dalymount/Dollymount  which one do you mean?
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: dalymount on June 16, 2020, 07:59:11 pm
Dont start ermy,I get worried when you call me dalymount.the last time tou did that,you actually agreed with me on something ,I cant remember what it was,but you agreed with me
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: cruiser on June 16, 2020, 08:01:22 pm
https://www.taxi-point.co.uk/post/birmingham-city-council-say-non-approved-and-plastic-sheeting-screens-are-not-acceptable-in-minicabs (https://www.taxi-point.co.uk/post/birmingham-city-council-say-non-approved-and-plastic-sheeting-screens-are-not-acceptable-in-minicabs)
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: cruiser on June 16, 2020, 08:08:50 pm
https://www.taxi-point.co.uk/post/100-fines-will-be-issued-to-public-travelling-on-trains-and-buses-without-face-covering (https://www.taxi-point.co.uk/post/100-fines-will-be-issued-to-public-travelling-on-trains-and-buses-without-face-covering)
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: silverbullet on June 16, 2020, 08:16:27 pm
https://www.taxi-point.co.uk/post/100-fines-will-be-issued-to-public-travelling-on-trains-and-buses-without-face-covering (https://www.taxi-point.co.uk/post/100-fines-will-be-issued-to-public-travelling-on-trains-and-buses-without-face-covering)
Too right. I was in the Omni today and it was full of pram pushing skobies engrossed in their phones, not adhering to distancing guidelines or wearing a face covering.

Sterilize the f**kers I say! 8)
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: markmiwurdz on June 16, 2020, 08:59:19 pm
"They added that whilst it is possible that partitions may reduce the risk of transmission of infection, the risk would not be eliminated entirely, as partitions in both forms of transport do nor provide a “fully sealed” compartment".
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Rat Catcher on June 16, 2020, 09:06:29 pm
No not my screen. Won't be fitting one unless income severely affected. Mine is a  1 car house.

Fair play. One car households are few and far between these days... something that needs to change.
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: silverbullet on June 16, 2020, 11:40:32 pm
No not my screen. Won't be fitting one unless income severely affected. Mine is a  1 car house.

Fair play. One car households are few and far between these days... something that needs to change.
Bring back public transport.
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Badabing on June 17, 2020, 07:25:58 pm
AXA confirm no changes needed to Insurance for new Screen. No letter needed when doing suitability. On NTA website
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: silverbullet on June 17, 2020, 07:58:02 pm
AXA confirm no changes needed to Insurance for new Screen. No letter needed when doing suitability. On NTA website
Good work Badabing.

I think vans might have an issue regarding deaf people and the NTA is covering it's backside.
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Badabing on June 17, 2020, 08:36:57 pm
I must check with my own insurance company FBD, only says AXA on the website
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: john m on June 17, 2020, 10:38:31 pm
https://www.nationaltransport.ie/taxi/publications-and-regulations/latest-news-and-industry-updates/ (https://www.nationaltransport.ie/taxi/publications-and-regulations/latest-news-and-industry-updates/)
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Shallowhal on June 17, 2020, 10:50:37 pm
So they've knocked that one off the list....what's the next one on their list..how it's fixed?
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: markmiwurdz on June 18, 2020, 09:25:23 am
So they've knocked that one off the list....what's the next one on their list..how it's fixed?

If you're not with AXA it's still a load of bollocks...
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Theoneandonly on June 18, 2020, 10:18:20 am

(https://i.postimg.cc/zL6P6RHH/Screen-Shot-2020-06-18-at-10-16-16.png) (https://postimg.cc/zL6P6RHH)

The bit on the bottom means you're confirming it's legal, (self assessed)  or will SGS fail you if you show up with an FN screen attached to your headrest?
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Shallowhal on June 18, 2020, 10:29:54 am
I would imagine so Roy.....the post that was put up the other day with the fail because of no letter from insurance is probably first on the list then how it's installed,then who installed it,a letter from the manufacturer confirming the  standard of material used....i might be wrong but i reckon nearly if not all will fail.
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Theoneandonly on June 18, 2020, 12:36:42 pm
I would imagine so Roy.....the post that was put up the other day with the fail because of no letter from insurance is probably first on the list then how it's installed,then who installed it,a letter from the manufacturer confirming the  standard of material used....i might be wrong but i reckon nearly if not all will fail.

Unless SDS do not feel they are qualified (or paid) to test screens, then they will do nothing.

Just out of interest for those who feel screens are pointless:

WHO:
Use physical barriers to reduce exposure to the
COVID-19 virus, such as glass or plastic windows.
https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/331215/WHO-2019-nCov-IPCPPE_use-2020.1-eng.pdf (https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/331215/WHO-2019-nCov-IPCPPE_use-2020.1-eng.pdf)

CDC:
Institute measures to physically separate employees and customers such as:
Place a barrier (e.g., sneeze guard) between employees and customers.
NB I didn't insert (e.g,. Sneeze guard) that is there originally
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/airport-retail-factsheet.html (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/community/airport-retail-factsheet.html)
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Shallowhal on June 18, 2020, 01:13:17 pm
The NTA think they're pointless.
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Horse on June 18, 2020, 01:16:27 pm
Does the a/c not circulate the virus around your car, screen or not?
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: mercenary for hire on June 18, 2020, 01:17:51 pm
Some lads on here have made commitments and need to go back on the road.No point arguing with them.I'm seeing the same things being said on here day after day.Half of these fukkers must have early-onset dementia.I don't see how they are allowed behind the wheel of a car.
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: silverbullet on June 18, 2020, 03:30:24 pm
Does the a/c not circulate the virus around your car, screen or not?
Yes, it does.

Here's good advice: https://www.ft.com/content/2418ff87-1d41-41b5-b638-38f5164a2e94?fbclid=IwAR1vC_TiNKTTgvQDgSJ0zRgh6RzDrzbjwq4EnvLmmpY4NyMwt6U1FY0CEdI (https://www.ft.com/content/2418ff87-1d41-41b5-b638-38f5164a2e94?fbclid=IwAR1vC_TiNKTTgvQDgSJ0zRgh6RzDrzbjwq4EnvLmmpY4NyMwt6U1FY0CEdI)
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Shallowhal on June 18, 2020, 03:51:39 pm
So there seems to be a consensus that screens fitted in various situations tend to offer some protection as opposed to nothing in addition to wearing face masks.
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: silverbullet on June 18, 2020, 03:54:22 pm
So there seems to be a consensus that screens fitted in various situations tend to offer some protection as opposed to nothing in addition to wearing face masks.
They certainly slow the airflow, plus the added bonus of thwarting an arm around the neck by a brass monkey seated behind you.
Title: Re: Screens
Post by: Shallowhal on June 18, 2020, 03:57:01 pm
So there seems to be a consensus that screens fitted in various situations tend to offer some protection as opposed to nothing in addition to wearing face masks.
They certainly slow the airflow, plus the added bonus of thwarting an arm around the neck by a brass monkey seated behind you.

And there's that too.