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Title: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Rat Catcher on June 02, 2020, 11:18:49 am
I haven't heard (details) of any official extension to the June 8 deadline. Anyone got more info and/or is next week's payment guaranteed?
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: dalymount on June 02, 2020, 01:21:37 pm
I thought it was confirmed,maybe im wrong though,but I thought Regina Docherty said it
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Rat Catcher on June 02, 2020, 01:30:30 pm
Possibly, I haven't paid a whole lot of attention to the news of late, too busy sunning myself... but last I heard was that she was going to bring urgent legislation to the Dail and then announce the T&Cs for PUP continuation.

Has anyone applied for regular Jobseekers payments in accordance with the original PUP T&Cs?
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Shallowhal on June 02, 2020, 01:59:16 pm
Has anyone applied for regular Jobseekers payments in accordance with the original PUP T&Cs?

No.
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Rat Catcher on June 02, 2020, 02:00:03 pm
Are you sure? Inside info?
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Shallowhal on June 02, 2020, 02:04:00 pm
Ms Doherty said the PUP would be extended beyond the June end date,i'm waiting to see if it will be extended and do i need to apply for jobseekers to be eligible for that extended payment.....so many questions!!
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: mercenary for hire on June 02, 2020, 02:04:21 pm
Normally I'd give me relative a shout in welfare but I might end up taking bollox on the phone for two hours.I'll wait to see what the government announce.

Have yis notice when you meet someone you used to say hello to now they won't shut the hell up?All this isolation has made people extra chatty.It's nice but not every fukkin day.I'll probably have to start driving to the shops to avoid people.
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Rat Catcher on June 02, 2020, 02:07:43 pm
On the other hand, you can cross the street to avoid folk now without appearing rude... I think.
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Shallowhal on June 02, 2020, 02:08:24 pm
Message received MFH!! lol
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: mercenary for hire on June 02, 2020, 02:12:00 pm
Not you Hal just old people generally.I like an oul chat but it's getting harder to justify my absence from work to people I meet.
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Rat Catcher on June 02, 2020, 02:13:42 pm
Indeed. If you're out and about spreading germs you might as well work and be part of the solution... Sorry, didn't mean to resort to 4 letter words.
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: mercenary for hire on June 02, 2020, 02:21:43 pm
I've more money in me account now than I did before Paddys week thanks to the Covid 350.I'll have to go back at some point when we're cut off.I reckon it might be busy around November/December just in time for the second wave.
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Belker on June 03, 2020, 08:24:28 am
I haven't heard (details) of any official extension to the June 8 deadline. Anyone got more info and/or is next week's payment guaranteed?
The Minister for Employment Affairs and Social Protection, Regina Doherty  said the peak demand for the PUP had now passed "...in parallel with the flattening of the Covid-19 curve."

However, the Minister cautioned that not everyone would be able to return to work in the shorter term, and noted that the PUP will be extended beyond the original end date of 8th June.

However, she also flagged that the government would "soon" be bringing forward proposals for reforms to the scheme.

"As we gradually move through all the phases of reopening our society, we do need to review the nature of the Pandemic Unemployment Payment and how it fits into cross-Government plans to keep Ireland healthy and get the country working again," she said.

"Any future decisions will be based on our commitment that everyone who needs help will get the most appropriate assistance and also based on the ongoing progress we experience from the reopening of the economy," she added.
https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0602/1144946-number-of-people-on-pandemic-unemployment-payment-drops/ (https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0602/1144946-number-of-people-on-pandemic-unemployment-payment-drops/)

I did read somewhere that a decision and announcement would be made before the weekend but I can't find the article.
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: john m on June 03, 2020, 08:38:18 am
The man who hires casual labour says .Sit tight as we are sort of kind of Public transport providers we should be ok until Phase 4 of lockdown restrictions being lifted .They wont want to much freedom of movement by unclean citizens that they cannot trace .In a conversation between a taxi driver and a Man who employs casual labour it was pointed out that the only traceability of taxi use was through an app that charges a huge commission and to insist that independent licenced drivers be forced to use such a service would be injurious to their business and would result in a trip to the High Court as it would be an infringement of trade imposed by the state and would be a defacto handing over of all independent drivers to a Limited Company .
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: silverbullet on June 03, 2020, 11:15:23 am
My ESRI  mate said a statement concerning tapered payments will be issued in the next few days.
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Shallowhal on June 03, 2020, 11:17:57 am
Ooh....tapered....me no like dat!!
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: silverbullet on June 03, 2020, 11:21:58 am
Ooh....tapered....me no like dat!!
Better than being a super spreader.
Talking about burning the candle at both ends:

https://www.thejournal.ie/candle-church-vat-bill-5113270-Jun2020/ (https://www.thejournal.ie/candle-church-vat-bill-5113270-Jun2020/) 8)
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Shallowhal on June 03, 2020, 11:29:43 am
Ooh....tapered....me no like dat!!
Better than being a super spreader.
Talking about burning the candle at both ends:

https://www.thejournal.ie/candle-church-vat-bill-5113270-Jun2020/ (https://www.thejournal.ie/candle-church-vat-bill-5113270-Jun2020/) 8)

Myself and a friend were only talking about Rathborne candles yesterday morning(not that they were the company!!) and then that article appeared later that afternoon...and when i wrote tapered the article came to mind again.....now my head hurts!!
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: mercenary for hire on June 03, 2020, 11:38:04 am
Hopefully Vinny will negotiate us all an increase on the 350 COVID payment for the rest of the year...Sure half if it is probably going on the depreciation of our vehicles.
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: john m on June 03, 2020, 12:03:00 pm
Think we will get Coin until this stage ...Phase 4 (20 July)
opening of crèches, childminders and pre-schools for children of all other workers on a gradually increasing basis
return to work for those who cannot work from home
gradual easing of restrictions for higher risk services (e.g. Hairdressers)
opening of museums, galleries, places of worship

So six more weeks of payments of some sort ?
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: mercenary for hire on June 03, 2020, 12:09:35 pm
I watched Anne Graham of the NTA on telly yesterday complaining that they don't have enough capacity for the next phase on the buses with the current social distancing set up.

I think a double-decker can only take about nine passengers.They could cut us off earlier if they can't get more buses.Seems like the public think things are back to normal out there.They don't realise the public transport is meant for essential workers right now.

Freenow could easily fuk us over by saying that they've lads earning 2k a week and we're all lazy gits.Just in case some of yis don't know they're on the taxi advisory council and they can easily bring up ten lads wages on a graph and make it seem like they need more of us back on the road.
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: dalymount on June 03, 2020, 12:19:28 pm
The power to run the industry is within your hands,yet you chose to give it away to dispatchers
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: mercenary for hire on June 03, 2020, 12:21:46 pm
I didn't choose anything.Us moany cunts on here are in the minority.The majority of drivers aren't interested in changing the status quo.They're really happy otherwise they wouldn't be covering the work.No point sweating over it.
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: john m on June 03, 2020, 12:24:31 pm
At the moment they still want to control the movemenr of people .They have some chance with leap cards but random taxi trips cant be traced .They dont know what they are doing the situation is fluid .Operation Dark Skin was allowed over the weekend .They will monotor the numbers and if there is no spike in cases they will say the average age of the Protesters was 28 so that means that that cohort are not spreaders so they will relax situations where they gather .Ask yourself why they didnt break up those protests or street bingo .They are open air experiments .Read the fucking nonsence in todays paper six people can meet up but you cant hug your grankids .Then they say Kids dont spread the Fever .
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: stonethecrows on June 03, 2020, 01:30:28 pm
Bit weird , they allow the Zoo to open up (with restrictions) but wont allow Places of Worship to open  ::fds
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: john m on June 03, 2020, 01:33:46 pm
Bit weird , they allow the Zoo to open up (with restrictions) but wont allow Places of Worship to open  ::fds

All the indoor  exibits in the Zoo are closed .
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Shallowhal on June 03, 2020, 01:37:16 pm
Anne Graham.....another fuk in an overpaid position in a not fit for purpose quango.


I did hear there was a queue of around 40 people for the bus to Portmarnock on one of the days over the weekend.....probably everyday and everytime a bus left.
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Dr. Martin Gooter Bling on June 03, 2020, 01:56:37 pm
it's all a loada bollocks.
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Theoneandonly on June 03, 2020, 03:24:48 pm
Tapered payments are easy to handle for Paye employees, simply give them 70% of their income for the same time last year or if they weren't working the equivalent based on similar employment, The Self employed are different, it's impossible to determine how much we were earning at any particular time of year so it's likely we'll continue to receive a set amount, maybe a reduced amount? there's a possibility they'll  do it sector by sector, but that seems like a tough task, self declaration is a more obvious option. whereby every Taxi driver will have earned exactly €500 a week for the months of june and July ... those obviouly being their busiest months of the year by far
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: watty on June 03, 2020, 05:16:20 pm
I was thinking of going back next week at the start of Phase 2 but I think I might stay home until Phase 3 because 'social distancing'.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/7ae99f-easing-the-covid-19-restrictions-on-june-8-phase-2/ (https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/7ae99f-easing-the-covid-19-restrictions-on-june-8-phase-2/)

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Work:
- People who can work safely while maintaining a 2-metre distance from others
- Workers, like those who work on their own, as well as other workers who can keep a 2 metre distance from others can return to work. Social distancing requirements continue to apply.

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Social visits
- Up to 4 people may visit another household for a short period of time but everyone must keep at least 2 metres apart from people they don't live with.

So if you can't even visit your mates' houses without keeping 2 metres apart then how can we work in a small enclosed metal box without breaking the rules?

Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Dr. Martin Gooter Bling on June 03, 2020, 05:21:20 pm
it's all a loada bollocks.
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Rat Catcher on June 03, 2020, 06:28:59 pm
Tapered payments are easy to handle for Paye employees, simply give them 70% of their income for the same time last year or if they weren't working the equivalent based on similar employment, The Self employed are different, it's impossible to determine how much we were earning at any particular time of year so it's likely we'll continue to receive a set amount, maybe a reduced amount? there's a possibility they'll  do it sector by sector, but that seems like a tough task, self declaration is a more obvious option. whereby every Taxi driver will have earned exactly €500 a week for the months of june and July ... those obviouly being their busiest months of the year by far

Not as difficult as you may think... The "relevant year" for welfare and other stuff like SUSI grants is the latest year  in respect of which an income tax return was required ... currently 2018.
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Theoneandonly on June 03, 2020, 08:09:23 pm
Tapered payments are easy to handle for Paye employees, simply give them 70% of their income for the same time last year or if they weren't working the equivalent based on similar employment, The Self employed are different, it's impossible to determine how much we were earning at any particular time of year so it's likely we'll continue to receive a set amount, maybe a reduced amount? there's a possibility they'll  do it sector by sector, but that seems like a tough task, self declaration is a more obvious option. whereby every Taxi driver will have earned exactly €500 a week for the months of june and July ... those obviouly being their busiest months of the year by far

Not as difficult as you may think... The "relevant year" for welfare and other stuff like SUSI grants is the latest year  in respect of which an income tax return was required ... currently 2018.

Indeed, but dividing by 12 is a fairly blunt instrument, many self employed incomes are seasonal
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Rat Catcher on June 03, 2020, 08:22:42 pm
Only logical way to do it really. I guess the students would/will have most whinge about as many of them would be full-time workers in the summer months. In our trade teachers may have a similar argument but their total income should get them whatever the maximum might be.
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: TheDevilHimself on June 04, 2020, 01:34:51 am
On the other hand, you can cross the street to avoid folk now without appearing rude... I think.
[/quoteYes That is a plus !
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: TheDevilHimself on June 04, 2020, 01:37:27 am
it's all a loada bollocks.
No It's all true !
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Belker on June 04, 2020, 04:38:10 am
I was thinking of going back next week at the start of Phase 2 but I think I might stay home until Phase 3 because 'social distancing'.....

.....So if you can't even visit your mates' houses without keeping 2 metres apart then how can we work in a small enclosed metal box without breaking the rules?
Because we are classified as essential workers.
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: john m on June 04, 2020, 09:32:59 am
WE ARE NOT ESSENTIAL WORKERS .We are a danger to the public as we are not traceable but Free Now are doing their best making their screen booking Prebooked and Credit Card only .If you see the screen there is a fare offer on the screen so is it fixed fares as well YOU WERE ALL WARNED BUT THE 5er bo bo was your price they now own you ..You provide the Car the licence the fuel pay commission its now less than Minimum wage .Remember who introduced Hailo to the Industry and others who congratulated them when they offered 50% off .Time to move on get a job that pays .
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: john m on June 04, 2020, 09:41:10 am
There you go Rodent roughly what I was saying to you yeaterday ...The pandemic unemployment payment (PUP) for part-time workers will be slashed as part of the Government's plan to reduce the massive welfare bill caused by the coronavirus.

The €350-per-week payment will be cut to €203 in line with the jobseeker's allowance paid to the unemployed.

Meanwhile, the payment for full-time workers will be phased out over time under plans being brought to Cabinet this week by Social Protection Minister Regina Doherty.



If your industry is allowed reopen or return to work the Covid money will probably be cut off and you need to apply for Assistance or Benifit .
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: dalymount on June 04, 2020, 07:55:15 pm
But Leo said today it will be extended for months ,not weeks.that would seem to contradict what your saying John
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Shallowhal on June 04, 2020, 08:02:14 pm
Was a bit ridiculous that an 18y/o student who worked a few hours in a clothes shop of a Sat to be able to afford gargles and smokes was given 350 per week but a handsome 55y/o self employed supporting two kids,mortgage and general bills like myself was getting the same!!
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: john m on June 04, 2020, 08:02:44 pm
Dollyer imagine Pennys reopens and other Retailers .You had a part time job and dont return your getting cut but what if you had a full time job bit dont return .

Department of Work
Dole Office
Dublin 2

Hey whats the story why are you not back in work your sector is open for employment Your Covid coin is now removed please apply for Unemployment Benifit or Assistance .

Yours in Solidarity

Una from Galway .

PS under covud PUP you are only entitled to claim the PUP if you are Unable to work if your existing employment is now available you must return to work or apply for unemployment Benifit .
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Shallowhal on June 04, 2020, 08:09:47 pm
When the pubs and restaurants reopen and there's enough bodies on the street to sustain a viable income...then i'll be back out cos my business has collapsed due to that.
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: john m on June 04, 2020, 08:09:48 pm
Also remember if you apply for Unemployment Benifit or assistance there is a delay in getting paid if you make yourself unemployed .A lot of people will come up against the Permanent civil service when they try to reclaim coin .Leo clearly said that everyone will get a payment I suppose that means they will get whats coming to them .
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: john m on June 04, 2020, 08:12:13 pm
When the pubs and restaurants reopen and there's enough bodies on the street to sustain a viable income...then i'll be back out cos my business has collapsed due to that.

Im following instructions ,washing me hands staying home and 2 meters away from people .If the instruction changes ill reconsider my business plan .
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: markmiwurdz on June 04, 2020, 08:17:34 pm
Was a bit ridiculous that an 18y/o student who worked a few hours in a clothes shop of a Sat to be able to afford gargles and smokes was given 350 per week but a handsome 55y/o self employed supporting two kids,mortgage and general bills like myself was getting the same!!

They should have been able to address that situation 3 or 4 weeks into this,we are at week 12 or so with the vast majority of payments in the system now  at least 6 weeks ago so  and not needing any attention so what the fook have they been doing in the meantime??
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Shallowhal on June 04, 2020, 08:31:17 pm
I agree Marky......i understand their urgency at the time but it wouldn't have take an awful lot to identify those based on their earnings and age that the 350 was an overpayment and should have been reviewed.....a lot of people like us took a hit on our earnings while teenagers working part time  "won the lotto!"
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: john m on June 04, 2020, 08:34:48 pm
Was a bit ridiculous that an 18y/o student who worked a few hours in a clothes shop of a Sat to be able to afford gargles and smokes was given 350 per week but a handsome 55y/o self employed supporting two kids,mortgage and general bills like myself was getting the same!!

They should have been able to address that situation 3 or 4 weeks into this,we are at week 12 or so with the vast majority of payments in the system now  at least 6 weeks ago so  and not needing any attention so what the fook have they been doing in the meantime??

Buying conformance 350 is the new Thirty pieces of silver adjusted for time .They bought us off .Watch the Socical Distancing when Pennys Opens or Mc Donalds .
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Punter on June 04, 2020, 10:20:43 pm
Leo will continue the 350 for 8-12 weeks maybe more as he wants a back up plan for if and when the proposed new Gov plan collapses--and he rides to an election on back of good opinion polls--FF are fucked so its a straight run off with Shinners--
Leisure industry is fucked--Corporate World/Industry working from home hence reluctant to commit to travel --Domestic/Residential business near extinct bar piss artists and party goers--(clients better off without)  --taxi industry is on a major downward curve exact opposite to the one Tony and Co wanted to flatten !
Christmas will be cancelled as 100% of fleet will be chasing clientele from Restaurants /Hotels (50-70% reduced capacity ) nightclubs no longer viable--no tourists so where will revenue come from--drug runs ?
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Billy boy on June 05, 2020, 12:42:19 am
Leo will continue the 350 for 8-12 weeks maybe more as he wants a back up plan for if and when the proposed new Gov plan collapses--and he rides to an election on back of good opinion polls--FF are fucked so its a straight run off with Shinners--
Leisure industry is fucked--Corporate World/Industry working from home hence reluctant to commit to travel --Domestic/Residential business near extinct bar piss artists and party goers--(clients better off without)  --taxi industry is on a major downward curve exact opposite to the one Tony and Co wanted to flatten !
Christmas will be cancelled as 100% of fleet will be chasing clientele from Restaurants /Hotels (50-70% reduced capacity ) nightclubs no longer viable--no tourists so where will revenue come from--drug runs ?
its not that bad...
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Punter on June 05, 2020, 05:13:07 am
Next few months will tell the tale !
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Belker on June 05, 2020, 09:03:59 am
WE ARE NOT ESSENTIAL WORKERS .We are a danger to the public as we are not traceable but Free Now are doing their best making their screen booking Prebooked and Credit Card only .If you see the screen there is a fare offer on the screen so is it fixed fares as well YOU WERE ALL WARNED BUT THE 5er bo bo was your price they now own you ..You provide the Car the licence the fuel pay commission its now less than Minimum wage .Remember who introduced Hailo to the Industry and others who congratulated them when they offered 50% off .Time to move on get a job that pays .
YES WE ARE !

From the Gov.ie website, 28/3/2020;
List of essential service providers under new public health guidelines.
Transport Storage and Communication.
land transport (for example, bus, rail and taxi services)

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/dfeb8f-list-of-essential-service-providers-under-new-public-health-guidelin/#transport-storage-and-communication (https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/dfeb8f-list-of-essential-service-providers-under-new-public-health-guidelin/#transport-storage-and-communication)
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: watty on June 05, 2020, 09:15:25 am
I have a fire extinguisher in my boot.  Am I a firefighter?  If I call you a bollox, are you?

Just because you give something a name doesn't make it so!
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: markmiwurdz on June 05, 2020, 09:16:46 am
Leo will continue the 350 for 8-12 weeks maybe more as he wants a back up plan for if and when the proposed new Gov plan collapses--and he rides to an election on back of good opinion polls--FF are fucked so its a straight run off with Shinners--
Leisure industry is fucked--Corporate World/Industry working from home hence reluctant to commit to travel --Domestic/Residential business near extinct bar piss artists and party goers--(clients better off without)  --taxi industry is on a major downward curve exact opposite to the one Tony and Co wanted to flatten !
Christmas will be cancelled as 100% of fleet will be chasing clientele from Restaurants /Hotels (50-70% reduced capacity ) nightclubs no longer viable--no tourists so where will revenue come from--drug runs ?
its not that bad...

If the rest of the dormant fleet hit the street  there won't be a Bob Dylan for anybody driving a cab.....even Ken.... lol
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: dalymount on June 05, 2020, 09:34:38 am
Sure his auld bud might Import him from cork and give him a bit of work
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: stonethecrows on June 05, 2020, 09:38:22 am
Sure his auld bud might Import him from cork and give him a bit of work
Or perhaps there may be plans to open a Cork Office !
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Theoneandonly on June 05, 2020, 10:21:32 am
I have a fire extinguisher in my boot.  Am I a firefighter?  If I call you a bollox, are you?

Just because you give something a name doesn't make it so!

If you're on the Government list of Essential workers then De facto you are, they're who decides who are essential workers.
If you think about it logically we are essential, we are the only transport service that can bring people door to door and at all hours, if those heroes that continue to work weren't there, then there'd be an outcry for us to get out to work
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Theoneandonly on June 05, 2020, 10:23:00 am
Not counting any chickens regarding the payment until I hear the statement today
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: john m on June 05, 2020, 10:33:44 am
If you want to return to work go ahead .WE ARE NOT ESSENTIAL WORKERS .Like Hairdressers we must observe social distancing .It couldnt be clearer but you deluded fuckers who think driving a car is a career are masterbating your egoes .It couldnt be clearer as self employed low skilled workers you can do what you like .The government have ADVISED wash your hands and maintain 2 meters Social distancing .If you cant do that in your job you qualify for payments .They dont want taxi drivers ferrying people around the city that are untraceable so Lynk and Freenow will supply most trips via the app .You will be among the last people to be instructed to return to work or lose payments .

Roadsweepers are more essential than Us .
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Theoneandonly on June 05, 2020, 10:38:49 am
If you want to return to work go ahead .WE ARE NOT ESSENTIAL WORKERS .Like Hairdressers we must observe social distancing .It couldnt be clearer but you deluded fuckers who think driving a car is a career are masterbating your egoes .It couldnt be clearer as self employed low skilled workers you can do what you like .The government have ADVISED wash your hands and maintain 2 meters Social distancing .If you cant do that in your job you qualify for payments .They dont want taxi drivers ferrying people around the city that are untraceable so Lynk and Freenow will supply most trips via the app .You will be among the last people to be instructed to return to work or lose payments .

Roadsweepers are more essential than Us .

YOU don't decide who are essential workers, the Government do, and they put us on the list of essential workers therefore WE ARE!

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/dfeb8f-list-of-essential-service-providers-under-new-public-health-guidelin/#transport-storage-and-communication (https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/dfeb8f-list-of-essential-service-providers-under-new-public-health-guidelin/#transport-storage-and-communication)

IT COULDN'T BE CLEARER!
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: mercenary for hire on June 05, 2020, 10:46:06 am
They were using us as a cheap ambulance.Currently if you think you have symptoms and need to get to a test center they won't tell you to get on a bus they'll recommend get a taxi.You can be sure the HSE is spending a lot more than a score an hour to keep a fully kitted out ambulance on the road.

So we are essential for that reason.But we all know most of Ken's passengers are probably just normal boring taxi jobs.

If the Government had said they need a load of idiots to act as a standby ambulance to drive around potentially infected people they would have had to pay danger money and give us free PPE.

If you're allowed to work when others are being told to stay at home there has to be a catch.



Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Theoneandonly on June 05, 2020, 10:53:23 am
Doesn't really matter why they deem us essential, there are many jobs what would generally be classed as menial that are essential during a pandemic, it does mean we're super skilled or important, just necessary (essential)
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Shallowhal on June 05, 2020, 10:54:51 am
With regard to what watty has said about the difficulties surrounding social distancing in a car regardless whether we're classed as an essential service.....buses are an essential public transport but i guarantee you there won't be any passengers anywhere as close to drivers as our passengers will be to us....bus driver employers have a duty of care towards their employees whereas self employed taxi drivers....can go fuk themselves.......essentially!!
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: mercenary for hire on June 05, 2020, 10:58:09 am
Yes but lads thinking they're some sort of hero need some reality checks.

I didn't once see anyone thanking taxi drivers for their efforts in any of the media outlets.I think we were regarded as spreaders rather than heroes.

Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: watty on June 05, 2020, 11:04:38 am
With regard to what watty has said about the difficulties surrounding social distancing in a car regardless whether we're classed as an essential service.....buses are an essential public transport but i guarantee you there won't be any passengers anywhere as close to drivers as our passengers will be to us....bus driver employers have a duty of care towards their employees whereas self employed taxi drivers....can go fuk themselves.......essentially!!
Pat Kenny said something like only 19 pax are allowed on a 100+ seat double-decker bus.  And I think pax have to enter/exit via middle door & not past the driver at the front.
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: mercenary for hire on June 05, 2020, 11:08:02 am
I heard only 9.Every middle seat is empty and then it's one person on each other one.
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: watty on June 05, 2020, 11:37:54 am
You're probably right.   I was only half-listening to PK.
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: mercenary for hire on June 05, 2020, 11:40:56 am
I got that from a relative, might be wrong also but you won't see PK on a bus anytime soon.
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: dalymount on June 05, 2020, 11:45:17 am
It still begs the question,why are taxi drivers allowed to work while driving testers are not ? I had the opportunity to ask the question at a political forum,and erm start giving me the 3rd for it.so the result was,I withdrew the question.the fact is,if the concern is social distancing,then why is it ok for a taxi driver to work,but not a driving tester .anyway as I said the erm had a go,so I didnt bother me hole
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Theoneandonly on June 05, 2020, 11:48:50 am
Yes but lads thinking they're some sort of hero need some reality checks.

I didn't once see anyone thanking taxi drivers for their efforts in any of the media outlets.I think we were regarded as spreaders rather than heroes.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2020/apr/20/taxi-driver-applauded-by-doctors-after-giving-patients-free-journeys-to-hospital-video (https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2020/apr/20/taxi-driver-applauded-by-doctors-after-giving-patients-free-journeys-to-hospital-video)
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: mercenary for hire on June 05, 2020, 11:50:42 am
Yes but he was providing a charity service.If he was asking for full metered fare he'd be considered a greedy fukker.
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Shallowhal on June 05, 2020, 12:03:22 pm
why is it ok for a taxi driver to work,but not a driving tester


I'll tell ye why Dalyer.......cos they're employees of the State and as such the State are liable for their health and safety.......we're merely self employed and if you catch the disease through work that's you're problem.....they gave self employed people the 350 helicopter money for them to sit at home and not be part of the problem.
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Theoneandonly on June 05, 2020, 12:03:43 pm
Yes but he was providing a charity service.If he was asking for full metered fare he'd be considered a greedy fukker.

Ah so you did see one, you just chose to forget about it, maybe there where others?
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: john m on June 05, 2020, 12:03:50 pm
I posted here in another tread we will qualify for coin until at least Phase 4 according to the Man who hires casual labour .
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Theoneandonly on June 05, 2020, 12:05:04 pm
It still begs the question,why are taxi drivers allowed to work while driving testers are not ? I had the opportunity to ask the question at a political forum,and erm start giving me the 3rd for it.so the result was,I withdrew the question.the fact is,if the concern is social distancing,then why is it ok for a taxi driver to work,but not a driving tester .anyway as I said the erm had a go,so I didnt bother me hole

Not essential. they can wait to learn, whereas vital taxi journeys cannot wait
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Theoneandonly on June 05, 2020, 12:11:47 pm
Yes but he was providing a charity service.If he was asking for full metered fare he'd be considered a greedy fukker.

Ah so you did see one, you just chose to forget about it, maybe there where others?

https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/18484051.morrisions-staff-hand-thank-you-goodies-glasgow-cab-drivers/ (https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/18484051.morrisions-staff-hand-thank-you-goodies-glasgow-cab-drivers/)
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Theoneandonly on June 05, 2020, 12:12:41 pm
Yes but he was providing a charity service.If he was asking for full metered fare he'd be considered a greedy fukker.

Ah so you did see one, you just chose to forget about it, maybe there where others?

https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/18484051.morrisions-staff-hand-thank-you-goodies-glasgow-cab-drivers/ (https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/18484051.morrisions-staff-hand-thank-you-goodies-glasgow-cab-drivers/)
https://www.transportnottingham.com/thank-you-to-nottingham-drivers-for-supporting-the-nhs/ (https://www.transportnottingham.com/thank-you-to-nottingham-drivers-for-supporting-the-nhs/)
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: john m on June 05, 2020, 12:16:15 pm
Whats with all the posts from a foreign country that dosent pay Drivers 350 to sit at home and wash their hands .?????
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Theoneandonly on June 05, 2020, 12:21:20 pm
Whats with all the posts from a foreign country that dosent pay Drivers 350 to sit at home and wash their hands .?????

Therein lies the reason there is no thank you post to Irish Drivers, we where paid to stay at home and did so, thereby deserving no thanks, if the full fleet was out serving the community then maybe I'd have found some
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: mercenary for hire on June 05, 2020, 12:24:00 pm
I meant the Irish media but you get the point.We just weren't considered essential workers even though we were classed that way.

It's one thing to sit at home taking the 350 and call them greedy and selfish and disease spreaders but it's another level of kuntbaggery to sit at home and encourage them by calling them heroes.

Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: john m on June 05, 2020, 12:26:23 pm
I meant the Irish media but you get the point.We just weren't considered essential workers even though we were classed that way.

It's one thing to sit at home taking the 350 and call them greedy and selfish and disease spreaders but it's another level of kuntbaggery to sit at home and encourage them by calling them heroes.

Or we would of been accused of spreading it .We were Conscientious responsible public spirited business owners who sacrificed our business for the greater Good .
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: mercenary for hire on June 05, 2020, 12:29:15 pm
I agree, and the government will get most of the 350s back in off licence and grocery sales taxes.

Where's my fukkin medals and adoration.Ungrateful bastards.
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Theoneandonly on June 05, 2020, 12:30:33 pm
I meant the Irish media but you get the point.We just weren't considered essential workers even though we were classed that way.

It's one thing to sit at home taking the 350 and call them greedy and selfish and disease spreaders but it's another level of kuntbaggery to sit at home and encourage them by calling them heroes.

It was in retaliation to calling those who were working "greedy disease spreaders"  that the fact these guys were in fact heroes ferrying front line workers was pointed out.
The greedy fuckers are those of us sitting at home taking the €350 and scratching arse
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: mercenary for hire on June 05, 2020, 12:38:51 pm
I'm the real hero here.I've probably saved about ten people by keeping my car off the road.Where's my medal? Didn't even get one clap!

DMG probably killed about 200 old people on his own.Ken probably only 157.
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Shallowhal on June 05, 2020, 01:31:10 pm
I think Kens buke killed 44 people so that makes him the winner.
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: mercenary for hire on June 05, 2020, 01:35:11 pm
;-)
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: silverbullet on June 05, 2020, 01:38:24 pm
I think Kens buke killed 44 people so that makes him the winner.
At least he pulled out all the full stops ...and spell check.
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: john m on June 05, 2020, 03:58:50 pm
LEO SAYS ...Transport

Walk or cycle if you can. Only use public transport if you absolutely need to. Public transport capacity is limited because of social distancing requirements.


Taoiseach RESTATES SOCIAL DISTANCE REQUIREMENT IN TRANSPORT ....Dont forget WASH YOUR HANDS .
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Rat Catcher on June 05, 2020, 09:56:32 pm
There you go Rodent roughly what I was saying to you yeaterday ...The pandemic unemployment payment (PUP) for part-time workers will be slashed as part of the Government's plan to reduce the massive welfare bill caused by the coronavirus.

The €350-per-week payment will be cut to €203 in line with the jobseeker's allowance paid to the unemployed.


How will they determine whether self-employed men are part-time or full-time... by reference to latest filed profit/loss or what?
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Punter on June 05, 2020, 10:10:02 pm
Depending on your Tax Return --earned under 10k and over 10k per their last years return--so the Minister said on Newstalk earlier !
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Shallowhal on June 05, 2020, 10:13:31 pm
Depending on your Tax Return --earned under 10k and over 10k per their last years return--so the Minister said on Newstalk earlier !

Gross or Net?.....asking for a friend!!
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: john m on June 05, 2020, 10:15:11 pm
There you go Rodent roughly what I was saying to you yeaterday ...The pandemic unemployment payment (PUP) for part-time workers will be slashed as part of the Government's plan to reduce the massive welfare bill caused by the coronavirus.

The €350-per-week payment will be cut to €203 in line with the jobseeker's allowance paid to the unemployed.


How will they determine whether self-employed men are part-time or full-time... by reference to latest filed profit/loss or what?

As declaired  Ocupation Taxi Driver .If you then take up casual work that might be a problem for double jobbers or RTW recipients
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Punter on June 05, 2020, 10:17:19 pm
Depending on your Tax Return --earned under 10k and over 10k per their last years return--so the Minister said on Newstalk earlier !

Gross or Net?.....asking for a friend!!

Gross--
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Shallowhal on June 05, 2020, 10:18:19 pm
Depending on your Tax Return --earned under 10k and over 10k per their last years return--so the Minister said on Newstalk earlier !

Gross or Net?.....asking for a friend!!

Gross--

Cheers....i'll let them know!!
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Theoneandonly on June 06, 2020, 10:21:34 am
Depending on your Tax Return --earned under 10k and over 10k per their last years return--so the Minister said on Newstalk earlier !

Gross or Net?.....asking for a friend!!

Gross--

Link?
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Theoneandonly on June 06, 2020, 10:26:03 am
From the wage subsidy scheme:

The subsidy scheme currently refunds employers up to a maximum of €410 for each qualifying employee. From 4 May it will change to a system based on the previous average take home pay of employees. See below for details.

The subsidy is based on an employee's pay after tax, USC and PRSI, not their gross pay.


Net pay would make more sense ....... bit of a pisser if you bought a new car for that Tax year to reduce Tax liabilities
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Shallowhal on June 06, 2020, 02:39:22 pm
I think i still earned over €199.99 per week..
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: silverbullet on June 06, 2020, 06:25:02 pm
There you go Rodent roughly what I was saying to you yeaterday ...The pandemic unemployment payment (PUP) for part-time workers will be slashed as part of the Government's plan to reduce the massive welfare bill caused by the coronavirus.

The €350-per-week payment will be cut to €203 in line with the jobseeker's allowance paid to the unemployed.


How will they determine whether self-employed men are part-time or full-time... by reference to latest filed profit/loss or what?

Pensioners will be perceived to be part-timers, but who in effect work more than your average full-time Ermy.
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Punter on June 06, 2020, 10:39:05 pm
If you were listening to Leo yesterday when asked about the pension age--he said there would be only a transition payment for Pensioners still working while in receipt of an occupational pension --ie nobody can have full payment of Welfare entitlements if still earning --so tough shit if you have worked/earned your pension and you get another job --you will be means tested--
Wonder does that apply to Public Servants who can jump after 30 years service and take a nice job in Private Sector--
Why o Why didnt I listen to my parents in early 70s and take a job in Public Service--another Bloomer !   
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: john m on June 06, 2020, 10:47:15 pm
I think what he meant is if say your contract of employment ends at 66 and you have to wait till 67 to get your state pension then you can claim dole but that dole will be means tested just in case you got a huge private pension at 66 but if you dont have a private pension or savings you will get dole for the waiting year .Watch whats coming .EQUALITY women will now not get the pension at a younger age than men .
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Theoneandonly on June 07, 2020, 10:25:51 am
It seems things are being fast tracked and we will be back to the new normal July 1st, hopefully we will be able to return to our businesses at that time and assess the long term damage and it's viability to survive into the future.
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: john m on June 07, 2020, 10:29:44 am
It seems things are being fast tracked and we will be back to the new normal July 1st, hopefully we will be able to return to our businesses at that time and assess the long term damage and it's viability to survive into the future.

Until they cut the 2 meters we are obliged to Social distance and wash our hands .
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Theoneandonly on June 07, 2020, 10:33:32 am
It seems things are being fast tracked and we will be back to the new normal July 1st, hopefully we will be able to return to our businesses at that time and assess the long term damage and it's viability to survive into the future.

Until they cut the 2 meters we are obliged to Social distance and wash our hands .

Yes whenever possible, at other times use sanitisers and caution, Sanitisers, screens, face masks and keeping your back to people should more than make up for the .5m
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: john m on June 07, 2020, 10:49:36 am
It seems things are being fast tracked and we will be back to the new normal July 1st, hopefully we will be able to return to our businesses at that time and assess the long term damage and it's viability to survive into the future.

Until they cut the 2 meters we are obliged to Social distance and wash our hands .

Yes whenever possible, at other times use sanitisers and caution, Sanitisers, screens, face masks and keeping your back to people should more than make up for the .5m

I find its always possible from my Sofa .
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Theoneandonly on June 07, 2020, 11:31:06 am
€350 a week doesn't fit in with my plans.
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: mercenary for hire on June 07, 2020, 11:41:11 am
We're gonna have lads on next week saying it's busier than Christmas then when the two meters become one the buses/luas/dart will double in capacity and things will turn to shit.Hopefully not

Once you go off the 350 will it be difficult to go back on or is that the path you're stuck on?
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Shallowhal on June 07, 2020, 12:41:09 pm
It seems things are being fast tracked and we will be back to the new normal July 1st, hopefully we will be able to return to our businesses at that time and assess the long term damage and it's viability to survive into the future.

I think there will be a lot of people working from home for a good while yet.....my wife has been told Aug/Sept but as she can do her job from home fulltime she hoping that the frontline staff will take up all the space now needed to facilitate social distancing guidelines and as she works for a multinational they take that shit really seriously,they had people working from home before Leo made his speech on March 13th,she herself had her workstation home on Mon March 16th.
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Theoneandonly on June 07, 2020, 12:54:23 pm
We're gonna have lads on next week saying it's busier than Christmas then when the two meters become one the buses/luas/dart will double in capacity and things will turn to shit.Hopefully not

Once you go off the 350 will it be difficult to go back on or is that the path you're stuck on?

I don't see why you couldn't go straight back on the €350, you can't be punished for trying to restart your business
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: mercenary for hire on June 07, 2020, 12:59:05 pm
I'd like to think they're sound about it.
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Theoneandonly on June 07, 2020, 04:23:18 pm
Just accepted a booking for July 1 at 4am for €40, it's official I'm back! not a bad kick off to the first day back
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: mercenary for hire on June 07, 2020, 05:02:20 pm
That's an awful hour to be getting up at your age...best of luck.
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: Theoneandonly on June 07, 2020, 06:24:39 pm
That's an awful hour to be getting up at your age...best of luck.

My start time every morning when I'm working, finish at 11am
Title: Re: Are We Still On The Scratcher?
Post by: mercenary for hire on June 07, 2020, 07:34:52 pm
Ah no,things would wanna be very quiet for me to work the night shift.Do ya not wake the whole house up?Fair play if you can make it work.

I'd probably be still over the limit at 4am most mornings.I only go to bed around midnight.