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Public Area => Taxi Talk => Topic started by: john m on June 08, 2020, 12:14:31 pm
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Just back from the Suitability with out screen as I posted earlier I did not know the rules so why risk it ..The Official rule IF YOU FIT A SCREEN YOU MUST INFORM YOUR INSURER OF THE MODIFICATION AND THEY MUST ISSUE YOU WITH A LETTER SAYING THAT YOU ARE INSURED AND THAT THEY ARE HAPPY IT CONFORMS TO THE NTA GUIDELINES ..So its an insurance issue first and foremost .Remember the guidelines you must not reduce the space anchor to any of the safety devices ie headrests seat belt mounts or obstruct airbags and you must use shatter proof material .That is the OFFICIAL WORD as issued to inspectors this morning .
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Fair play.
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Dividing screens must not hinder or obstruct the normal operation of head restraints;
That's the text directly from the NTA pdf....so has that particular text been changed?
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Hard to operate the headrests if you have plastic cable tied to them ,I wonder if the Insurance companies will insist we pay a mechanical engineer to certify the screens .
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They're actually not difficult with the strap but that's neither here nor there when it comes to suitability inspectors,they're paid to find something to fail you on...probably even a bonus scheme in place.
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They're actually not difficult with the strap but that's neither here nor there when it comes to suitability inspectors,they're paid to find something to fail you on...probably even a bonus scheme in place.
Think its clear from my post you get a letter from the Insurance it will be them that has to make sure they conform not the inspectors they will just read the insurance letter .Its parcel passing at its best once again from the NTA .I bet insurers will insist on an engineers report .The NTA stated in their blurb that there was no evidence screens worked so they clearly see them as a fashion statement like any other modification .
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I don't know why shops went to the expense of fitting those screens at deli's and checkout.....customers would only be in the proximity of a cashier when paying and for a very short time,certainly not anywhere as near as we would be to a customer for longer periods.
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I don't know why shops went to the expense of fitting those screens at deli's and checkout.....customers would only be in the proximity of a cashier when paying and for a very short time,certainly not anywhere as near as we would be to a customer for longer periods.
When in Rome !
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Looks good and makes the staff turn up for minimum wage.
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Looks good and makes they're staff turn up for minimum wage.
Staff couldn't give a bollox....all a PR exercise to make it look good.....they'll be claiming all expenses anyway.
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They had and still have a huge problem recruiting people for minimum wage jobs.In the beginning ,you could walk off the job and get the 350 rather than working a full week for 400 before expenses.
Some of them shops have massive turnover numbers in the tens of thousands a day.A couple of grand for a few perspex screens mean nothing to them.
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A friend works for a Supervalu shop...the Friday of the June bank holiday,the off licence pulled 19k alone....i know the govt take a lot of duty but a €10 bottle of wine is bought by the shop for about €4.
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Surely the thing to do ,would to NOT fit a screen and save yourselves the headache,and expense.unless of course your bosses in F,N,and lynk insist on it.I can tell ya I wont be fitting a screen,but then I dont have a boss telling me what to do.....except her in doors of course
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I don't know why shops went to the expense of fitting those screens at deli's and checkout.....customers would only be in the proximity of a cashier when paying and for a very short time,certainly not anywhere as near as we would be to a customer for longer periods.
Who are ya more likely to get gonorrhea off ? A nun yu jaunted for an hour ::blond ... or a hoor ya rattled for a minute O0.....that whole time scenario gettin the chinese virus is the greatest load of absolute shite I've ever heard .....it makes no logical fuk8n sense atall atall
It's almost as annoying as that word ..." cocooning " ... ::fight
Who in the name of jaysus came up with that passive aggressive phycho babble? Hanible lecter or sumone .... ???
" I want yous all to cocoon yourselves " .......fuk off ya headcase
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" Oh ...I'm cocooning myself " ...I'm over 70 last birthday :)) ..." are you cocooning ? " :))" oh no no no ..I'm only 69 " " I'm self isolating "
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Fukin eegjits ::fight
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Why in Gods name would any of ya fit a screen based on the erms experience ? Thats like providing something that you dont HAVE to provide,and then hoping it passes the test.who was the one on here who told yis these. fukkin screens would have inplications for insurance,NCT,and suitability ?
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looks like the it's all a loada bollocks movement is gaining traction.
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Sounds like fitting a screen won't fully protect you but could possibly cause you a world of pain with compliance,a no fukkin brainer to NOT get one.
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Why in Gods name would any of ya fit a screen based on the erms experience ? Thats like providing something that you dont HAVE to provide,and then hoping it passes the test.who was the one on here who told yis these. fukkin screens would have inplications for insurance,NCT,and suitability ?
Having a screen might be the only way to make money if 70%(?) of the taxi biz is FN and FN customers choose taxis with screens.
I personally think screens are useless but I think it's a €50 gamble worth taking. We'll spend more than that on masks & hand gel before the year is out.
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Surely F,N and Ebbs should have advised you of the potential problems of fitting these screens before they put to the expense,and inconvenience of fitting them.it only goes to show,they dont give a bollox about any of ya
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Why in Gods name would any of ya fit a screen based on the erms experience ? Thats like providing something that you dont HAVE to provide,and then hoping it passes the test.who was the one on here who told yis these. fukkin screens would have inplications for insurance,NCT,and suitability ?
to be fair to the good people at free Now they did issue a disclaimer with their offer to let you buy an advertising screen and they did advise you contact your insurer.I built a screen in line with all the NTA directions but they also advise that there is no evidence that screens work .I did get a reply from the insurers previously stating they would not object to a driver fitting one but the e mail was vague it didnt mention any need to inform them but it seems fitting a screen could be deemed to be a modification and must be informed .Then that raises another question will the screen have to meet the insurance companies standards or can you use clingfilm or Shower curtains or Well engineered spring loaded bespoke screens most likely we will need an engineers report to satisfy the insurers that these screens will not become deadly weapons in an impact .I will be leaving mine behind the sofa for now until there is a definitive ruling from the NTA or Insurers .I heard some fitters were charging up to a grand for bespoke security screens .You would be most displeased if you got one fitted and it did not conform to standard .
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Tbh watty,I dont think they have caught on from what im hearing,the public don't really seem to give a bollox.human nature being what it is,people assume ( wrongly) that just because there is a relaxation of the rules,and placea are starting to open up again,that this virus is gone.but the fact is ,F,N and Ebbs are after putting drivers to extra expense if that is the case.I guarantee in a out two weeks time,NOBODY will want a screen
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looks like the it's all a loada bollocks movement is gaining traction.
Absofukinglutely doctor :-\
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@ dalymount - You might be right. If people don't want them, I can just cut mine out because I think they'll only held on with two bits of plastic ties?
I thought town might be a busier today but it was pretty dead by the looks of things. I'm looking at the live camera from O'Connell St (https://www.skylinewebcams.com/en/webcam/ireland/leinster/dublin/dublin-o-connell-street.html (https://www.skylinewebcams.com/en/webcam/ireland/leinster/dublin/dublin-o-connell-street.html) ). The amount of buses that use OCS is mental.
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Just as a matter of interest,of the customers you DID have,did anyone specifically want your car because you had a screen,or would you say people were indifferent to it ?
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We need to go back to the way of life we lived before all this shite ......otherwise the collective human beings immune system will weaken and the next plaugue will kill billions ( I'm not absolutely not in favour of that idea )
Shaking hands, an spitting at people wen you talk ....not only
Spreads viruses....it spreads the apes reaction to germs an manufacturers antibodies for all these tings ....if we keep away from each other ......the human ape is facing extinction....( again I'm not against that scenario but just statin a fact )
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Just as a matter of interest,of the customers you DID have,did anyone specifically want your car because you had a screen,or would you say people were indifferent to it ?
If that's for me, I haven't worked since mid-Mar and no intention of working until July (at least). No screen yet but I'm booked in for it.
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all this talk of a new normal is bollox.it only becomes a NEW normal,if that is what people want.there is absolutely no reason we can not resume where we left off.yes the virus pandemic caused huge worldwide problems,but if we become afraid to hug our family,sit with our friends,socialise with spouses,and engage in conversation ,then what is the point of living at all.RESTORE NORMALLITY NOW
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Im with Dalymount on this I think screens were an advertising tool for dispatchers more than a protective device .The first we heard of them was a Youtube video from Free Now .I do think its an Insurance issue and has fuck all to do with the NTA they just issued safety guidelines on fitting and material
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Ah sorry watty,I thought you were back when tou said town was not busy today .I thought you were working
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I wonder has any driver got through the Suitability with a screen fitted ?be interesting to find out what they said and how they tested the screen to make sure it complied with NTA GUIDELINES ,
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looks like the it's all a loada bollocks movement is gaining traction.
I'm with ya CB.
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I wonder has any driver got through the Suitability with a screen fitted ?be interesting to find out what they said and how they tested the screen to make sure it complied with NTA GUIDELINES ,
Robinson could be in trouble guaranteeing NTA compatibility
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Does the Free Now screen comply with relevant standards?
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Very good RC.....has anyone here got one fitted yet?
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Does the Free Now screen comply with relevant standards?
doesn't look like it as it attaches to the head rest upright
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I have a booking for later this month - rescheduled from last month - that I'll probably reschedule for next month as I got me dole today.
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Speaking to a few drivers who said there was no real demand for screens either from the public,or the drivers themselves.I dont know if thats true or not,but if it is true,then F,N and Ebbs is after putting you to more expense,never mind the insurance implications,the NCT,and the suitability.I cant understand why any driver would make a rod for his own back to install something that is not mandatory
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Does the Free Now screen comply with relevant standards?
doesn't look like it as it attaches to the head rest upright
Dividing screens must not hinder or obstruct the normal operation of head restraints;
That's the text directly from the NTA pdf.....it says nothing regarding how the screen is attached.
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If the screen is attached to the headrest and the passenger wants to adjust the seat would it cause an obstruction ?
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If the screen is attached to the headrest and the passenger wants to adjust the seat would it cause an obstruction ?
That's the seat movement....the headrests have their own mechanism,i haven't in all my years have anyone ask if they could adjust the headrest....and now that social distancing is a thing,the front seat(in my car anyway) will remain vacant for the forseeable and in a fixed position to afford passengers in the rear the best possible legroom.
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Speaking to a few drivers who said there was no real demand for screens either from the public,or the drivers themselves.I dont know if thats true or not,but if it is true,then F,N and Ebbs is after putting you to more expense,never mind the insurance implications,the NCT,and the suitability.I cant understand why any driver would make a rod for his own back to install something that is not mandatory
To be fair, it was the erm that brought them to the attention of NTA.
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Well I cant say anything to him,he actually PUBLICLY agreed with me on something last nite,AND called me dalymount instead of dollymount,so you can see my predicament
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So Screens the fitting of so fucking complicated .I watched Richard Hamiltons Big Tv show this morning it was about Spurs New Stadium .If God has a football pitch its not as good as the Spurs Stadium .Its a city all of its own if the Show is on telly again its worth a watch .
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So Screens the fitting of so fucking complicated .I watched Richard Hamiltons Big Tv show this morning it was about Spurs New Stadium .If God has a football pitch its not as good as the Spurs Stadium .Its a city all of its own if the Show is on telly again its worth a watch .
All they now is a decent Manager !
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Serious piece of Engineering moveable pitch that can be tucked away in the carpark They have their own Brewery on site .If its ever on TV again give it a watch .Makes the Aviva look like a training ground
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Serious piece of Engineering moveable pitch that can be tucked away in the carpark They have their own Brewery on site .If its ever on TV again give it a watch .Makes the Aviva look like a training ground
And I believe they fill the pints from the bottom up (in the Bar).
Suppose when your on the gargle there you say "Tops Up"
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Serious piece of Engineering moveable pitch that can be tucked away in the carpark They have their own Brewery on site .If its ever on TV again give it a watch .Makes the Aviva look like a training ground
And I believe they fill the pints from the bottom up (in the Bar).
Suppose when your on the gargle there you say "Tops Up"
Did you see it very impressive even filling the pints .
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They do that in Marley park when there's a concert on too.What an age to be alive..
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Fckn that next your have to stand on your head to have a gargle
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Serious piece of Engineering moveable pitch that can be tucked away in the carpark They have their own Brewery on site .If its ever on TV again give it a watch .Makes the Aviva look like a training ground
And I believe they fill the pints from the bottom up (in the Bar).
Suppose when your on the gargle there you say "Tops Up"
It wouldn't do much for a pint of plain.
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Screens do seem to be popular with the traveling public, even my make shift cling film yoke has had many compliments.
I believe that shortly all of the app companies and most of the bigger dispatchers will offer customers the option to book a screened Taxi.
Hence I'm booked in fer a FN screen next Tuesday in Cork fer a Pony (25 Euro). And suitability also due next week.
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Ken would you chance doing the Suitability with your screen fitted ?
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Ken would you chance doing the Suitability with your screen fitted ?
Yes, my FN screen fitting is booked in fer next Tuesday morning 16th June, and the NTA still will not give me a date fer suitability (expires next Wed 17th June) until my new NCT cert (got yesterday morning) shows on their system approx 48 after passing NCT.
But if/when I do get a suitability test date from the NTA (WHO HAVE GIVEN ME NO LEEWAY OR GIVEN ME ANY SPECIAL CONSIDERATION IN THE MIDST OF A GLOBAL PANDEMIC) then Yes I will do suitability on Tuesday or Wednesday with the screen on and if there is a problem, then I will just take it off.
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Ken would you chance doing the Suitability with your screen fitted ?
Yes, my FN screen fitting is booked in fer next Tuesday morning 16th June, and the NTA still will not give me a date fer suitability (expires next Wed 17th June) until my new NCT cert (got yesterday morning) shows on their system approx 48 after passing NCT.
But if/when I do get a suitability test date from the NTA (WHO HAVE GIVEN ME NO LEEWAY OR GIVEN ME ANY SPECIAL CONSIDERATION IN THE MIDST OF A GLOBAL PANDEMIC) then Yes I will do suitability on Tuesday or Wednesday with the screen on and if there is a problem, then I will just take it off.
You wont get the chance to take it off if it fails it fails .you could be waiting eleven years or more for a retest .Why dont you ask Free Now what is the Test or Insurance status of THEIR screens YOU paid for before you risk being put off the road .
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Ken would you chance doing the Suitability with your screen fitted ?
Yes, my FN screen fitting is booked in fer next Tuesday morning 16th June, and the NTA still will not give me a date fer suitability (expires next Wed 17th June) until my new NCT cert (got yesterday morning) shows on their system approx 48 after passing NCT.
But if/when I do get a suitability test date from the NTA (WHO HAVE GIVEN ME NO LEEWAY OR GIVEN ME ANY SPECIAL CONSIDERATION IN THE MIDST OF A GLOBAL PANDEMIC) then Yes I will do suitability on Tuesday or Wednesday with the screen on and if there is a problem, then I will just take it off.
Ken, usually too late if these guys fail it, you would have to re-book a 2nd test.
Happened to me with the TCC not cleared, went home and got it resolved within minutes , back to centre within approx 3/4 hour and the "nice" suitability cnut could not sort it out as the computer had already been updated with a Fail.
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Ken would you chance doing the Suitability with your screen fitted ?
Yes, my FN screen fitting is booked in fer next Tuesday morning 16th June, and the NTA still will not give me a date fer suitability (expires next Wed 17th June) until my new NCT cert (got yesterday morning) shows on their system approx 48 after passing NCT.
But if/when I do get a suitability test date from the NTA (WHO HAVE GIVEN ME NO LEEWAY OR GIVEN ME ANY SPECIAL CONSIDERATION IN THE MIDST OF A GLOBAL PANDEMIC) then Yes I will do suitability on Tuesday or Wednesday with the screen on and if there is a problem, then I will just take it off.
You wont get the chance to take it off if it fails it fails .you could be waiting eleven years or more for a retest .Why dont you ask Free Now what is the Test or Insurance status of THEIR screens YOU paid for before you risk being put off the road .
I just got confirmation of my NTA suitability test fer next Tuesday and I was told by the NTA that in order to pass suitability with a screen in place that I must have a letter or email from my insurance company to say the FN protective screen is safe fer a PSV, or otherwise it would be an automatic Fail.
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I believe that both F,N and Ebbs have a duty to guarantee that there will be no insurance implications,NCT implications,or suitability implications since it was at their behest these fukin things were fitted in the first place
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Ken would you chance doing the Suitability with your screen fitted ?
Yes, my FN screen fitting is booked in fer next Tuesday morning 16th June, and the NTA still will not give me a date fer suitability (expires next Wed 17th June) until my new NCT cert (got yesterday morning) shows on their system approx 48 after passing NCT.
But if/when I do get a suitability test date from the NTA (WHO HAVE GIVEN ME NO LEEWAY OR GIVEN ME ANY SPECIAL CONSIDERATION IN THE MIDST OF A GLOBAL PANDEMIC) then Yes I will do suitability on Tuesday or Wednesday with the screen on and if there is a problem, then I will just take it off.
You wont get the chance to take it off if it fails it fails .you could be waiting eleven years or more for a retest .Why dont you ask Free Now what is the Test or Insurance status of THEIR screens YOU paid for before you risk being put off the road .
I just got confirmation of my NTA suitability test fer next Tuesday and I was told by the NTA that in order to pass suitability with a screen in place that I must have a letter or email from my insurance company to say the FN protective screen is safe fer a PSV, or otherwise it would be an automatic Fail.
As I reported to the Forum yesterday .
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If you have one installed...just remove the fukin thing before suitability.
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I got a FN screen (but I'm still not working). It's only held on with 2 plastic ties wrapped around the headrests. It took them maybe 30 secs to put it in.
I'm sure Belker has some plastic ties lying around in his boot :P but anyone else could just take off the headrests, remove the whole lot (ties included), and then reinsert the FN screen after the suitability.
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My current booking is for Tuesday (16th) at 1100 hours IST. Did you find out if they comply with all relevant guidelines / standards? They obviously offer no protection against a knife - there's been a few fairly recent cases of white lads with Dublin accents robbing taximen at knifepoint in South and West Dublin - but how would you rate the overall quality?
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I'm sure Belker has some plastic ties lying around in his boot
Any self respecting taxi driver worth his salt has cable ties in the boot!!
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@RC: I dunno - still thinking about it. For €50, it's temporary and ok for the moment. If it becomes popular, it'll be worth it. If not, it's 'only' €50. Spent that on masks, wipes & masks also.
Re regs/standards: I'd dunno. The regs are so vague as to be meaningless. I'll be taking it out for suitability.
It's 1mm thick & held on with 2 plastic ties. It goes straight across the back of the front seats so sticks out a bit at the doors.
- I could potentially see people hitting themselves (or their kids) against it getting in and having a claim. Depends on what part of the city you work in, I guess.
- In my taxi, it's doable but slightly awkward to reach the window button. YMMV. Blind people might have a problem with it?
- There's a bit of glare off it & you 'see' it out of the corner of your eye. I'll get used to it, I guess.
I'm more concerned about masks. Wore one today to see what it's like & my glasses steamed up after 5 secs. Not sure if I'll be able to drive wearing one!
Re the Dubs robbing taxis, I'd say that junkies targeting non-white taxi drivers.
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Essentially, what do you want for €50 is a fair exec summary I guess. Take your glasses off to fit the mask and pinch the metal band to form a tight nose bridge... should solve the steaming.
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None of my masks have a metal band :( Think I have a funny (Roman) nose anyways. Had to wear masks before and never could find one that fitted properly. Ah sure, I've 2 or 3 weeks to figure it out.
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Interested if the screen interferes with the interior camera view some drivers have.
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You could make a nose clip* for them, I guess... or maybe try securing it in the nose bridge on your glasses.
*maybe take the metal bands off some cheap dust masks (the paper ones for DIY) if you can get cheap dust masks these days.
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My current booking is for Tuesday (16th) at 1100 hours IST. .......
So that is You, Me and another regular on here all booked in fer 16th June.
We can compare notes about insurance, etc after we have them fitted next Tuesday.
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I got a FN screen (but I'm still not working). It's only held on with 2 plastic ties wrapped around the headrests. It took them maybe 30 secs to put it in.
I'm sure Belker has some plastic ties lying around in his boot :P but anyone else could just take off the headrests, remove the whole lot (ties included), and then reinsert the FN screen after the suitability.
The person in NTA that gave me my suitability booking yesterday said that a letter/email from my insurance company was needed if I had a protective screen fitted and also added that if stopped by a Taxi regulator on the street I would also need to produce same letter/email.
So basically taking it on and off is a non starter fer many reasons;
Firstly the apps and dispatchers will soon be offering Screened cabs and if you turn up without a screen then Dolly Daydream will report you.
Secondly if you take it on and off to pass suitability then you run the risk of getting stopped on the street by a Taxi regulator.
And Thirdly (God forbid) you have a serious accident with a screen in place that has not been cleared with your insurance company.
The easier option I think at the moment is just to get it cleared with your insurance company and work legally.
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@RC: I dunno - still thinking about it. For €50, it's temporary and ok for the moment. If it becomes popular, it'll be worth it. If not, it's 'only' €50. Spent that on masks, wipes & masks also.
Re regs/standards: I'd dunno. The regs are so vague as to be meaningless. I'll be taking it out for suitability.
It's 1mm thick & held on with 2 plastic ties. It goes straight across the back of the front seats so sticks out a bit at the doors.
- I could potentially see people hitting themselves (or their kids) against it getting in and having a claim. Depends on what part of the city you work in, I guess.
- In my taxi, it's doable but slightly awkward to reach the window button. YMMV. Blind people might have a problem with it?
- There's a bit of glare off it & you 'see' it out of the corner of your eye. I'll get used to it, I guess.
I'm more concerned about masks. Wore one today to see what it's like & my glasses steamed up after 5 secs. Not sure if I'll be able to drive wearing one!
Re the Dubs robbing taxis, I'd say that junkies targeting non-white taxi drivers.
You say "I could potentially see people hitting themselves (or their kids) against it getting in and having a claim. " So you and the manufacturers and installers and promotors are aware that there is a dangerous design flaw yet you consider using one of these screens ? Big Dommos sisters will all have claims in before Tuesday Fortnight .Has anybody actually done a Suitability with one of these fitted and passed ?
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I got a FN screen (but I'm still not working). It's only held on with 2 plastic ties wrapped around the headrests. It took them maybe 30 secs to put it in.
I'm sure Belker has some plastic ties lying around in his boot :P but anyone else could just take off the headrests, remove the whole lot (ties included), and then reinsert the FN screen after the suitability.
The person in NTA that gave me my suitability booking yesterday said that a letter/email from my insurance company was needed if I had a protective screen fitted and also added that if stopped by a Taxi regulator on the street I would also need to produce same letter/email.
So basically taking it on and off is a non starter fer many reasons;
Firstly the apps and dispatchers will soon be offering Screened cabs and if you turn up without a screen then Dolly Daydream will report you.
Secondly if you take it on and off to pass suitability then you run the risk of getting stopped on the street by a Taxi regulator.
And Thirdly (God forbid) you have a serious accident with a screen in place that has not been cleared with your insurance company.
The easier option I think at the moment is just to get it cleared with your insurance company and work legally.
Firstly the apps and dispatchers will soon be offering Screened cabs and if you turn up without a screen then Dolly Daydream will report you.REPORT YOU TO WHO .
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....... You say "I could potentially see people hitting themselves (or their kids) against it getting in and having a claim. " So you and the manufacturers and installers and promotors are aware that there is a dangerous design flaw yet you consider using one of these screens ? Big Dommos sisters will all have claims in before Tuesday Fortnight .Has anybody actually done a Suitability with one of these fitted and passed ?
NTA guidelines at the moment are that if you have a letter/email from your insurance company to say the screen is safe or whatever, then it will pass suitability.
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Four Goldmines On the River
Across From the Drugs Treatment Center
Dublin 1
Me lord My client entered a cab fitted with a plastic partition and there was a jagged edge protruding on which she scraped her dermus Melord and it is this scratch that led to the infection for which she is seeking 100k in damages me lord as it was her shoplifying arm that was infected .
Mr taxi driver your mercenary self serving approach to passenger safety lead to this accident a badly fitting piece of plastic that you have no expertise in operating and a cleaning regime that is somewhat questionable .Driver if I go for a shit in the toilet in my local gargler I often find a list taped to the door that shows how often the Shitter is checked and cleaned .Did you operate such a scheme to sanitise your screen and clean out the Corona Crate that you built in the back of your car .Do you have any airflow charts to show what impact your screen had on the vehicles ventilation and if this actually helped or hindered transmission to both yourself and your passenger .Will you be calling Dr Houlikan into court today to defend the fitting of this plastic wall as there is absolutely no reference to fitting of screens to taxi cabs and theit value to virus protection ,in fact the NTA have said there is no value to fitting such screens ,
I made probably the only screen that met all the suggested protocolls suggested by the taxithingey but I still wont be replacing it as replacing it would require me operating a sanitising regime that would be questionable in a court of law if anybody was to question my maintainance regime like do I clean the screen after ever journey or on an ad hoc basis .You fit it your responsible for it .
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......Firstly the apps and dispatchers will soon be offering Screened cabs and if you turn up without a screen then Dolly Daydream will report you.
REPORT YOU TO WHO .
Report you to the app provider or dispatch company that they ordered a Screened Taxi from.
To explain further, say an app company offers drivers discounted screens, some drivers take the discounted screen offer and then the app company offers its customers a Screened Taxi service, Dolly Daydream orders her screened Taxi and Joe Bloggs shows up without a screen, because he didn't like it fer whatever reason and took it off. Dolly gets in a huff and reports Joe to the app company, who have supplied Joe with a discounted screen and offers his services as a Screened cab.
What do you think the app company are going to say to Joe ?
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....... You say "I could potentially see people hitting themselves (or their kids) against it getting in and having a claim. " So you and the manufacturers and installers and promotors are aware that there is a dangerous design flaw yet you consider using one of these screens ? Big Dommos sisters will all have claims in before Tuesday Fortnight .Has anybody actually done a Suitability with one of these fitted and passed ?
NTA guidelines at the moment are that if you have a letter/email from your insurance company to say the screen is safe or whatever, then it will pass suitability.
Suitability is not the Issue .The OP said he is aware that they are dangerous to passengers .When you say safe or WHATEVER explain to the Judge WHATEVER ?You ran a business you know if their was a piece of loose carpet or WHATEVER in your shop and you were aware of it and did nothing your insurance would trigger the WHATEVER clause .In two weeks time there wont be a screen in a taxi or there wont be a taxi .Its either safe to travel or its not .
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......Firstly the apps and dispatchers will soon be offering Screened cabs and if you turn up without a screen then Dolly Daydream will report you.
REPORT YOU TO WHO .
Report you to the app provider or dispatch company that they ordered a Screened Taxi from.
To explain further, say an app company offers drivers discounted screens, some drivers take the discounted screen offer and then the app company offers its customers a Screened Taxi service, Dolly Daydream orders her screened Taxi and Joe Bloggs shows up without a screen, because he didn't like it fer whatever reason and took it off. Dolly gets in a huff and reports Joe to the app company, who have supplied Joe with a discounted screen and offers his services as a Screened cab.
What do you think the app company are going to say to Joe ?
Mice or Men .They just bought your car for 25 euro .
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Here is another Question for the Taxbarristers .If you fit a screen post Suitability do you need to inform the Taxithingey .If its possible to fail the test based on a screen is it possible to void a suitability by post fitting a screen ,and what are the consequences of driving a taxi with a void suitability .Ken said if an inspector calls and you dont have a letter from your insurence .THEN WHAT .
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Good issues raised John M, hopefully myself and Ratcatcher after having our screens installed next Tuesday will have some answers fer you.
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Here is another Question for the Taxbarristers .If you fit a screen post Suitability do you need to inform the Taxithingey .If its possible to fail the test based on a screen is it possible to void a suitability by post fitting a screen ,and what are the consequences of driving a taxi with a void suitability .Ken said if an inspector calls and you dont have a letter from your insurence .THEN WHAT .
The question I was asked when booking my suitability yesterday was; "Has your car been modified since your last suitability test ?". And I replied honestly; "No".
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I would think the insurers will have a think about this and reside like your tail lift in a WAV you will need an Engineers report and that will cost coin .I know a pub who looked to fit screens and The insurance guidelines about access to fire exits and toilets and believe it or not the biggest issue and I havent heard anybody in the industry say anything is clearence for staff carrying hot meals they must be able to observe a clear distance and be able to avoid customers while carrying hot plates .If there were screens around tables like they can stand in out of the way now to avoid impact plastic screens might obstruct their movement .When bars and restaurants say it would be impossible to operate with the 2 meter distancing this is one of the issues .I wonder if Ludmilla spilt hot soup over Sharons good frock how long it would take for the insurance company to be out with the Theodolite to measure the available clearance so they could welsh on the insurance .Would it not of been easier for Free Now to offer a sample of cars to the Insurers for pre approval before they sold the plastic .Good men are now faced with a dilemma fit the advertising or dont fit the advertising screen .
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Here is another Question for the Taxbarristers .If you fit a screen post Suitability do you need to inform the Taxithingey .If its possible to fail the test based on a screen is it possible to void a suitability by post fitting a screen ,and what are the consequences of driving a taxi with a void suitability .Ken said if an inspector calls and you dont have a letter from your insurence .THEN WHAT .
The question I was asked when booking my suitability yesterday was; "Has your car been modified since your last suitability test ?". And I replied honestly; "No".
So the requirement pre test is you advise them if you modify whats the process post test ?I know if you modify the car and fit a taxi meter they have a certified test for that they even put a little sticker on the meter Will they have a sticker for the screen .Lets say you tell them you have a screen and then they say apply for a Screen test and bring your insurance with you cost of test 200 euro .Just because the insurance say its Ok the taxithingey also have a Corporate responsibility to both passengers and drivers to make sure screens are of a standard .Then there is the unanswered question if the insurance say its ok to fit a screen will there be a premium for the alteration ?Lot of unanswered questions .
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If you do the Suitability with a screen then the Insurance want 300 extra on your premium then you say no thank you Ill remove the screen do you need to inform the taxithingey and do another suitability as you modifird the vehicle ?
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Given the speed with which NTA react to things, we'll find out the answers in a month or two.
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Lads are really forgetting ,THESE ARE ADVERTISING SCREENS FOR DISPATCH COMPANIES first and foremost .The NTA have issued guidance saying they have no proven effect on the spread of the virus .In reality they could be detrimental to both your health and that of your passengers by restricting ventilation .
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Its hard to believe,but some drivers seem to be absolutely DETERMINED to bring problems upon themselves by fitting something that was not asked for, or made compulsory by the NTA.Unfortunately they might have brought the rest of us unwilling participants down the same road, in a bid to excede to the wishes of their lords,and masters namely F,N ,and Ebbs.my own belief is however,these unnecessary screens will NOT feature for very long,and will be discontinued when the few drivers who have fitted them,realize there is neither demand,nor desire for them,and the drivers will count the costs of their loyalty to the people in the ivory towers working from home who instructed there instillation in the first place
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If you do the Suitability with a screen then the Insurance want 300 extra on your premium then you say no thank you Ill remove the screen do you need to inform the taxithingey and do another suitability as you modifird the vehicle ?
If you remove a screen (that as of yet has to be deemed a modification) then you're returning it to original manufacture.
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DAlymount .After a few weeks with drivers explaining the Doctor says out door events are safer than indoor events thats why I didnt fit a screen its more important you have fresh air rather than be pushed into a bubble after the last passenger has left .If that window is open to much for you I can close it a little .Then usual banter I see Bohs are going Amature or who is better Boyzone or the Beatles and the public opinion of screens will change .Pubs and Restaurants will have them out quicker than they went in as soon as the crowds are back .
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If you do the Suitability with a screen then the Insurance want 300 extra on your premium then you say no thank you Ill remove the screen do you need to inform the taxithingey and do another suitability as you modifird the vehicle ?
If you remove a screen (that as of yet has to be deemed a modification) then you're returning it to original manufacture.
Really .Your as bad as me making this up as you go .OK I suppose we are just doing what the taxithinget does .The answer is nobody knows .Did you ever see the film War Games .If you cant win dont play .Wait till the Insurance or Taxithingey issue proper guidelines .
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Why put a screen in wen a face mask does the same job?
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Most importantly these screens remove any social community spirited conversation.I accept some drivers might actually see that as a good thing,but not me I like to hear about how the likes of big Dommo ,and his family are doing
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Dollymount If you give me your address ill tell Big Dommo and Family where you live im sure a few of them might drop over even if you are at work or more likely when you are at work .
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Ya see, I knew it .ya just couldnt keep going with dalymount,I fukkin knew it wouldn't last .we're now back to dollymount.oh btw tell Dommo not to bother
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I'm sure John can assure you that it'll be a socially distanced call!!
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I'm sure John can assure you that it'll be a socially distanced call!!
No Dommos young fellas youngfella like to make house calls .
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I'm sure during these difficult times he could throw bricks from the footpath.
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I'm sure during these difficult times he could throw bricks from the footpath.
Throw bricks DAlymount wont even know he is there
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Sounds like my kinda guy.do ya think Dommo and the kids could visit Ken in cork ?
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Sounds like my kinda guy.do ya think Dommo and the kids could visit Ken in cork ?
Really?....even Covid-19 is afraid to visit Ken!!
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I would think the insurers will have a think about this and reside like your tail lift in a WAV you will need an Engineers report and that will cost coin .I know a pub who looked to fit screens and The insurance guidelines about access to fire exits and toilets and believe it or not the biggest issue and I havent heard anybody in the industry say anything is clearence for staff carrying hot meals they must be able to observe a clear distance and be able to avoid customers while carrying hot plates .If there were screens around tables like they can stand in out of the way now to avoid impact plastic screens might obstruct their movement .When bars and restaurants say it would be impossible to operate with the 2 meter distancing this is one of the issues .I wonder if Ludmilla spilt hot soup over Sharons good frock how long it would take for the insurance company to be out with the Theodolite to measure the available clearance so they could welsh on the insurance .Would it not of been easier for Free Now to offer a sample of cars to the Insurers for pre approval before they sold the plastic .Good men are now faced with a dilemma fit the advertising or dont fit the advertising screen .
It really is a load of bollocks.. ::fds ::fds ::fds
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There are a lot of unanswered questions John M, but myself and Stephen and another regular on here all have FN screen fittings booked in fer next Tuesday 16th June and hopefully after comparing notes afterwards we can figure out our options from there.
What I will be requiring on the fitting date is some form of cert or a receipt at the very least and the name of the person and company who installed my screen.
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What I woulld be requiring if I was you would be a guarantee from F,N there would be no implications from NCT,insurance,or suitability,after all it was at there insistence that you installed it in the first place.
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What I woulld be requiring if I was you would be a guarantee from F,N there would be no implications from NCT,insurance,or suitability,after all it was at there insistence that you installed it in the first place.
Dollymount,Dollyer ,Dollyer .Can you get Reading Glasses on the pension .Free Now DID NOT INSIST that anybody fit a screen they just made them available through their decal supplier if drivers WANTED one they kindly offered to subsidise them if you fit a Free Now sticker .If you got the offer you would also know it comes with a disclaimer and advice to contact your insurer .
It was a Magnanimous offer from the foreign owned booking app to help promote their service going forward .The Subsidies will be recovered by future deductions from fares .
Any Dalymount will Bohs split their Euro Coin to try save the League or isFootball like Taxi driving every mam for himself .
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Well the wealthy clubs are Dundalk,and rovers,we are struggling ourselves
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It was a ridiculous suggestion in the first place.the Government cant give the grab all association money quickly enough, even though they have more money then they know what to do with,yet the struggling sports have to go on bended knee to them looking for anything they can get
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.......Free Now DID NOT INSIST that anybody fit a screen they just made them available through their decal supplier if drivers WANTED one they kindly offered to subsidise them if you fit a Free Now sticker .If you got the offer you would also know it comes with a disclaimer and advice to contact your insurer .
It was a Magnanimous offer from the foreign owned booking app to help promote their service going forward .The Subsidies will be recovered by future deductions from fares .......
@ John M, At the moment it doesn't seem like a Big Ask to contact your insurance company to provide whatever letter of authentication or clearance to say the screen is safe or whatever.
Once myself and Stephen get fitted with a FN screen next Tuesday we will be able to update you further with actual facts.
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F,N are trying to get as many drivers as possible to fit these screens,and when they do that,the rest will be forced to follow suit,or get no work.this will give them an advantage over other dispatchers,and YOUR picking up the tab for it.they are using the same tactics they used to gain control of our industry,and your all dancing to their tune including ratcatcher the man who constantly told us how much more commision they charge then other dispatchers
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.......Free Now DID NOT INSIST that anybody fit a screen they just made them available through their decal supplier if drivers WANTED one they kindly offered to subsidise them if you fit a Free Now sticker .If you got the offer you would also know it comes with a disclaimer and advice to contact your insurer .
It was a Magnanimous offer from the foreign owned booking app to help promote their service going forward .The Subsidies will be recovered by future deductions from fares .......
@ John M, At the moment it doesn't seem like a Big Ask to contact your insurance company to provide whatever letter of authentication or clearance to say the screen is safe or whatever.
Once myself and Stephen get fitted with a FN screen next Tuesday we will be able to update you further with actual facts.
Kenneth I already Contacted the Insurance weeks ago and got an E mail .They dont have a problem with drivers fitting screens but what are the insurance liabilities .I advised You and others DO NOT DO THE SUITABILITY WITH THE SCREEN FITTED .If you do and they fail you dont come back on here screaming like a deflowered teenager about how they fucked you .
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I still cannot understand why anyone would want to fit another obstacle to passing the test.its like a show jumper after completing a clear round and wanting to put up anither fence to be jumped even though the course authority didnt ask for it
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I still cannot understand why anyone would want to fit another obstacle to passing the test.its like a show jumper after completing a clear round and wanting to put up anither fence to be jumped even though the course authority didnt ask for it
Thats not bad Dalymount .
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I still cannot understand why anyone would want to fit another obstacle to passing the test.its like a show jumper after completing a clear round and wanting to put up anither fence to be jumped even though the course authority didnt ask for it
They will become the norm and people won't get in unless you have one.
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I still cannot understand why anyone would want to fit another obstacle to passing the test.its like a show jumper after completing a clear round and wanting to put up anither fence to be jumped even though the course authority didnt ask for it
They will become the norm and people won't get in unless you have one.
In 4 weeks time this thing will be over or we will be running to hide again .Screens wont matter .Did you see the crowds outside Pennys and not a screen in sight .
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.......Free Now DID NOT INSIST that anybody fit a screen they just made them available through their decal supplier if drivers WANTED one they kindly offered to subsidise them if you fit a Free Now sticker .If you got the offer you would also know it comes with a disclaimer and advice to contact your insurer .
It was a Magnanimous offer from the foreign owned booking app to help promote their service going forward .The Subsidies will be recovered by future deductions from fares .......
@ John M, At the moment it doesn't seem like a Big Ask to contact your insurance company to provide whatever letter of authentication or clearance to say the screen is safe or whatever.
Once myself and Stephen get fitted with a FN screen next Tuesday we will be able to update you further with actual facts.
Free Now get you to sign a waiver absolving them from any liability regarding NTA compliance/insurance issues and anything else that might arrise
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I completely disagree lizzy.I do not believe they will become the norm,I think at the moment there is no huge demand for them either by drivers,or customers.although I am not out there working,I know a lot of taxi drivers all of whom are completely indifferent to them.its only F,N gobshites,and Ebbs plebs who are afraid to say no to their bosses who have them.people ,in the event of time will not appreciate the loss od conversation, and banter that these things will invariably will result in
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I still cannot understand why anyone would want to fit another obstacle to passing the test.its like a show jumper after completing a clear round and wanting to put up anither fence to be jumped even though the course authority didnt ask for it
They will become the norm and people won't get in unless you have one.
In 4 weeks time this thing will be over or we will be running to hide again .Screens wont matter .Did you see the crowds outside Pennys and not a screen in sight .
Yeah, but I thought you lads used to get mugged a lot, would they not deter crime or sexual advances?
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My friend that employs casual labour says the Government were advised AGAINST speeding up the lockdown .Three weeks until we see who was right .Still think Leo is looking at running for another election .If we get the all clear then screens will come down everywhere .Rat might build a Conservatory out of disgarded Perspects instead of his shed .
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When I was in eircom people used to be always asking me could I get telephone kiosks perspex for them for exactly that reason to build green houses
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Here is Axa Reply
websiteinboxroi@axa.ie <websiteinboxroi@axa.ie>
Fri, May 1, 10:44 AM
to ***************@iol.ie
Hello,
I can confirm it is fine to fit a safety screen.
We would not penalise you for protecting yourself.
Kind regards
Not Penalise is vague .It dosent say what type of screen or how it is to be fitted .
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If drivers keep fitting these fukkin things,they may become mandatory,presenting us with yet ANOTHER hurdle to be crossed at NCT,and suitability ,brought about by our own stupidity
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I completely disagree lizzy.I do not believe they will become the norm,I think at the moment there is no huge demand for them either by drivers,or customers.although I am not out there working,I know a lot of taxi drivers all of whom are completely indifferent to them.its only F,N gobshites,and Ebbs plebs who are afraid to say no to their bosses who have them.people ,in the event of time will not appreciate the loss od conversation, and banter that these things will invariably will result in
Fn and Ebbs are telling Joe Public what he needs and Joe is listening, as for conversation a lot of the foreign lads have earpods.
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Im not sure Joe is listening at all.the more this virus abates,the less demand for screens .I have not heard of a single person demanding,or questioning wht a car was not fitted with a screen.maybe tou have
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I put the screen in for me, strange how the same ones saying they won't go back to work because it's dangerous also aren't prepared to do anything to help themselves
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......They will become the norm and people won't get in unless you have one.
The problem as I see it Lizzzy is that app companies and major dispatchers will soon offer 'Screened Taxies' on their websites.
As in 'Screened Taxies' will get the Priority work and Non Screened Taxies can have the Left-overs !
I'm 8 weeks back at work now with my Poxy clingfilm screen and I would say that any kind of Screen is very popular with the traveling public. I think that daytime Taxi customers booking through an app will want a Screened Taxi.
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Here is Axa Reply
websiteinboxroi@axa.ie <websiteinboxroi@axa.ie>
Fri, May 1, 10:44 AM
to ***************@iol.ie
Hello,
I can confirm it is fine to fit a safety screen.
We would not penalise you for protecting yourself.
Kind regards
Not Penalise is vague .It dosent say what type of screen or how it is to be fitted .
Nor does it say in the event of an accident and you/pax are injured as a result of a modification (Screen) that you are covered.
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I would think its more the NCT,and suitability test tou have to worry about just as much as the insurance.I really do believe there will be no major demand for these useless pieces of crap,all that will happen is,dispatchers will have cost you more money,not to mention the hardache of passing different tests
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Most of the hungas on here are getting a screen because they're afraid to lose a single job to another driver.Nothing to do with safety.
Have any of you lads asked the NTA can we get done for refusing four passengers?Our saloons are licenced for four.Taking three only in the back means refusing a customer.
I bet if there were four passengers going from Foxrock to the Airport yous would be happy to take a front seat passenger.
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This is another case of F,N pitting driver,against driver in the same sneakey they signed up all the drivers to their ludicrous discounts
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Yeah we're not the brightest.If lads gave a fuk about their own safety they wouldn't be crying about not getting their car passed out while certain parts of the economy are STILL closed down.
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I just dont understand why anyone would want to install something into their car that they have not been instructed to do by the NTA .they can only cause themselves problems by doing so,but as FDS says,there is a reason we're taxi drivers
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Some are doing it because their wives told them to and others because they might lose a job to another driver.
Before Ambassadors and Gold, Silver and bronze virtual medals we had Executive taxis with Hailo.A little blue circle sticker on the roof sign if Ya drove a nicer taxi.Even back then the dickheads were queuing Mount street to become an executive driver and get a pat on the back from the three amigos..Anyway just laugh at them you'll make yourself ill trying to reason with them.
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Most of the hungas on here are getting a screen because they're afraid to lose a single job to another driver.Nothing to do with safety.
Have any of you lads asked the NTA can we get done for refusing four passengers?Our saloons are licenced for four.Taking three only in the back means refusing a customer.
I bet if there were four passengers going from Foxrock to the Airport yous would be happy to take a front seat passenger.
It was in the last NTA newsletter, we can refuse passengers and cash (during the pandemic)
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Didn't see it.I'll ring them later and ask them.I wonder if the phone lines are busy...
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Didn't see it.I'll ring them later and ask them.I wonder if the phone lines are busy...
No need:
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https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/SPSV_Industry_Information_Note_Web_Version.pdf (https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/SPSV_Industry_Information_Note_Web_Version.pdf)
Regarding:
Most of the hungas on here are getting a screen because they're afraid to lose a single job to another driver.Nothing to do with safety.
Isn't that what business is about? ... Winning the customer
Regarding:
I bet if there were four passengers going from Foxrock to the Airport yous would be happy to take a front seat passenger.
I would most likely supply said front seat passenger with a disposable mask
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We're all offering the same service Roy. Business is about keeping your costs down and making the most profit in the least amount of hours.I'm fairly good at that part without needing to be grovelling to the passengers.No frills necessary.
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We're all offering the same service Roy. Business is about keeping your costs down and making the most profit in the least amount of hours.I'm fairly good at that part without needing to be grovelling to the passengers.No frills necessary.
That's where we differ, I believe we are in a customer service industry, we should provide the best service we can, while I don't like the term "grovelling" we should indulge their needs where we can.
I guess I'm trying to retain customers whereas you aren't.
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I'm respectful to the gimps...go the shortest route.Drive like a limo nice and smooth.Take the money then on to the next passenger.I don't care if I see them again.I do not want repeat business.Never ever give out my details.There are thousands of other lads who operate the exact same way and we're doing alright.If it's not broken don't be trying to fix it.
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OK the man who borrowed the bag off the man I borrowed the bag off done the Suitability yesterday and now it seems the Insurance companies are now requiring an engineers report on screens .I got this third hand not from the man himself .Has anybody actually Contacted the Insurers not the Brokers for a definitive ruling ?
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I'm respectful to the gimps...go the shortest route.Drive like a limo nice and smooth.Take the money then on to the next passenger.I don't care if I see them again.I do not want repeat business.Never ever give out my details.There are thousands of other lads who operate the exact same way and we're doing alright.If it's not broken don't be trying to fix it.
I guess it's at times like this when I see repeat bookings coming in that i realise building up a bit of custom was worthwhile for when I do start back (thankfully there is someone covering them)
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OK the man who borrowed the bag off the man I borrowed the bag off done the Suitability yesterday and now it seems the Insurance companies are now requiring an engineers report on screens .I got this third hand not from the man himself .Has anybody actually Contacted the Insurers not the Brokers for a definitive ruling ?
It might depend on the insurance company?
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Axa told me they wouldnt penalize drivers who fit screens but they offered no standard for screens .There are screens and there are screens .Security screens could be bulletproof while snot screens provide a different type of protection .As I did myself I would advise do not offer a car with a screen for suitability until the issue is clarified .The present screens being fitter are no more than on board advertising .
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Government Advice:
In settings where 2 metre separation is not possible, alternative protective measures such as installation of physical barriers/plastic sneeze guards should be put in place
https://dbei.gov.ie/en/News-And-Events/Department-News/2020/May/09052020.html
In settings where 2 metre worker separation cannot be ensured by organisational
means, alternative protective measures should be put in place, for example:
o Install physical barriers, such as clear plastic sneeze guards between workers,
o Maintain at least a distance of 1 metre or as much distance as is reasonably
practicable,
https://dbei.gov.ie/en/Publications/Publication-files/Return-to-Work-Safely-Protocol.pdf
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The Issue Roy is ,is there a standard .Is that standard approved by the NTA or the Insurers .Its a simple question but nobody seems to be setting the standard or clarifying the issue .
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Similar issue in Scotland (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-52712542 (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-52712542)).
Scottish taxi drivers are asking for urgent clarity on anti-coronavirus measures for private hire cabs. Taxi owners want the Scottish government to intervene and allow them to install protective screens in their vehicles. The drivers' trade association wants to use a crash tested screen design which has been approved by insurance companies and which is already allowed by some English councils. No official guidance has been given.
Meanwhile, the article I linked says:
The Office for National Statistics in England found that security guards, chefs and taxi drivers were the most vulnerable professions in terms of Covid-19 death rates, with male taxi drivers dying at a rate of more than 36 per 100,000. United Private Hire Drivers which represents many drivers in Scotland says there have been six coronavirus deaths among private hire and taxi drivers north of the border, with half of them in Glasgow. Barry Sloan, the association's Glasgow rep, was shocked by the deaths and is now demanding that something is done to protect private hire drivers across Scotland.
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it's all a loada bollocks.
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Id love to hear the doc on a radio interview with Kenny.every question answered in the same way .its all a load of bollox
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I would'nt do that it would get monotonous.
I'd mix it up with "it's all a loada dirt" and "it's all a loada gick" etc.
I would'nt talk to that kenny clown.
I'd let jean byrne interview me though.
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And thw reason you wouldnt let Kwnny interview you ? ITS ALL A LOAD OF BOLLOCKS
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Seems to be coming to a head, NTA/Government/Insurance companies need to decide what's feasible regarding screens.
Personally I want one for my own safety, not sure I'll be too happy returning to the fray without one, i hope sense prevails