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Title: To mask or not to mask
Post by: john m on July 10, 2020, 07:27:31 pm
Mr Martin said the order making face coverings mandatory on public transport will be signed this evening and it comes into effect on Monday......Lets see if taxies are included ?
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: Pugwat on July 10, 2020, 07:34:50 pm
Nobody is going to enforce it. Bus drivers said not my baby.
Freenow say face coverings to be worn by drivers. Is this happening
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: Cool Boola on July 10, 2020, 07:44:28 pm
You should allways wear a mask...and condems.....2 b sure 2 b sure.
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: john m on July 10, 2020, 07:46:23 pm
Nobody is going to enforce it. Bus drivers said not my baby.
Freenow say face coverings to be worn by drivers. Is this happening

Free Now asked you to take a pledge 2 passenger max and clean the car after every trip .If you fail to clean the car between trips and somebody with the fever has traveled in your car and the Tell me app records that a person was in your motor .If another passenger who traveled in your car catches it after wards you might have to prove you actually cleaned the car or be Corporately responsible for the cross infection .Might cost you your Gaff if you were sued for breach of contract as you have agreed to clean between trips and the person booking can rely on your commitment

Do you ever notice the roster on the back of the Pisser door in the pub and how it is signed every hour or half hour .The idea behind that is so the Publican can say he checks the Pisser regularly and if somebody falls and tries to sue because they slipped on a puddle of piss the Publican and his insurers can say the pub is not responsible as they took reasonable precautions to make sure the Pisser was safe to use .
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: silverbullet on July 10, 2020, 08:23:37 pm
Nobody is going to enforce it. Bus drivers said not my baby.
Freenow say face coverings to be worn by drivers. Is this happening

Free Now asked you to take a pledge 2 passenger max and clean the car after every trip .If you fail to clean the car between trips and somebody with the fever has traveled in your car and the Tell me app records that a person was in your motor .If another passenger who traveled in your car catches it after wards you might have to prove you actually cleaned the car or be Corporately responsible for the cross infection .Might cost you your Gaff if you were sued for breach of contract as you have agreed to clean between trips and the person booking can rely on your commitment

Do you ever notice the roster on the back of the Pisser door in the pub and how it is signed every hour or half hour .The idea behind that is so the Publican can say he checks the Pisser regularly and if somebody falls and tries to sue because they slipped on a puddle of piss the Publican and his insurers can say the pub is not responsible as they took reasonable precautions to make sure the Pisser was safe to use .
Is the full stop key on yer phone broken or missing?
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: Horse on July 10, 2020, 08:46:54 pm
Let's suppose a passenger got the pox from your car, even though you cleaned it, are you to prove you cleaned it then? Video evidence after every fare you got out and cleaned it? Suppose its 4am of a Friday night on Halloween in cushlawn, would you get out to clean it? Ye would in your bollo. Suppose you're driving down the road looking for a safe place to pull in to videotape your cleansing activities and you get flagged to pull in. Do you stop and let them in or do you stop, clean your car whilst video taping it or do you just keep cruising even though the last fare was only 30 seconds in your car and didn't talk let alone cough, splutter or god forbid sneeze. Do you drive by the fare because you didn't blitz your car for the 3rd time in an hour in the pissing rain? Decisions decisions.
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: john m on July 10, 2020, 08:57:25 pm
Pony lads will click on the Free Now pledge without thinking if it has any legal status .Mary Cullen who was third runner up in the Mary From Dunlough contest in 1976 .Was looking for a taxi and chose Free Now pledge car based on the advertisement .Now if she got the fever and can trace it back to the taxi as she never goes anywhere else but to visit the Girl who won the contest .If the driver cannot prove he cleaned the motor in line with his pledge he could be in the crapper bit like a chef who states that his menu does not contain nuts but does as he never checked just said it did to increase sales .

 Might not just be taxies if there is an outbreak in a Pub and they didnt keep a record of customers they too could be in the Crapper .Its only a matter of time the ambulance chasers will be trying to make up for the lack of traffic accident claims Covid Court will be big business .
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: Shallowhal on July 10, 2020, 09:01:45 pm
I'd say youse are some craic at a party!!
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: john m on July 11, 2020, 08:14:21 am
Can anybody find a copy of the SI .Does it include Taxis?.....The government signalled last month that the use of face coverings on public transport would become mandatory, following criticism that passengers on trains, buses and the Luas were not using face coverings while travelling.
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: john m on July 11, 2020, 08:29:18 am
No New law signed or passed yet ....http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/ (http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/)
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: john m on July 11, 2020, 10:45:08 pm
Still not been told that we are not Public Transport .So tomorrow night if Slasher .Mad Maurice and Tony Delaney try to get into your car at Midnight outside the Chipper to go to Frans Gaff for a joint with their Battered Sausage and Chips ,Spiceburger and can of Coke .If they dont have facemanks are you going to tell them to walk .

Asking for a Friend with a death wish .
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: john m on July 12, 2020, 09:49:59 am
Going to mass this morning with Big Dommo and the lads as we wait for the Porter Shop to open to get an allday breakfast and a pint .But first we are going to form a Posse and head out to try to find the legislation that was signed on friday night making facemasks Mandatory on Public transport .A day and a half after it was signed and nobody has seen it yet or knows what is in it .Big Dommo recons if it was a bench warrant it would be signed and you would be sitting in a Cell in the Bridewell or Kevin Street within half a day .How the fuck can you ren a business if you dont know the rules /laws .
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: dalymount on July 12, 2020, 10:35:00 am
Somehow I cant imagine you and Dommo at mass
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: Theoneandonly on July 12, 2020, 10:41:33 am
Still not been told that we are not Public Transport .So tomorrow night if Slasher .Mad Maurice and Tony Delaney try to get into your car at Midnight outside the Chipper to go to Frans Gaff for a joint with their Battered Sausage and Chips ,Spiceburger and can of Coke .If they dont have facemanks are you going to tell them to walk .

Asking for a Friend with a death wish .

There is a likelihood that Taxis will have been overlooked and not considered when drafting this legislation, if, as has been the case heretofore the government simply say the regulations apply to all  "public transport" which the media will then interpret to mean Buses and trains, meanwhile the NTA will include Taxis, Limos. private coach firms as they know these are part of "public Transport", then we are left in a Limbo, knowing we are included in the regulation, while the public are oblivious to that fact.
It would be better if the Government specify which parts of public transport are and are not included, for example Private coaches, Taxis. Limos etc. .... but they won't, and John will stupidly suggest this proves we are not public transport, which we obviously are, all it proves is that we are the forgotten sector of public transport.
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: john m on July 12, 2020, 11:06:40 am
Once again Roy you are reading things the way you want them to be read TAXIS are not PUBLIC SERVICE VEHICLES if they are the government will include them .Lets see the regs .
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: Theoneandonly on July 12, 2020, 11:28:07 am
Once again Roy you are reading things the way you want them to be read TAXIS are not PUBLIC SERVICE VEHICLES if they are the government will include them .Lets see the regs .

I have included numerous proofs that we are public transport, all you have is whats in your dim head, most, if not all contributors here agree we are part of public transport, you are merely incapable of admitting you might be (are) mistaken.

here's another proof for you:

Transport for Ireland: Your Journey Starts Herewww.transportforireland.ie
We bring together information and services to help make public transport across Ireland a little easier for you to use. Plan your journey here.

Part of the page :
(https://i.postimg.cc/rKLNkCWj/Screen-Shot-2020-07-12-at-11-26-40.png) (https://postimg.cc/rKLNkCWj)

This argument is getting silly
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: john m on July 12, 2020, 11:34:35 am
We are NOT PUBLIC TRANSPORT .we are private transport providers .Wait and see the SI when it is issued if it is issued .it will be only the list of services you see plastered across the advert on the back of the bus supported by TFI .
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: Theoneandonly on July 12, 2020, 01:57:29 pm
https://www.gov.ie/pdf/?file=https://assets.gov.ie/79445/bb49040f-d831-4d42-aa80-1d07e37c0bef.pdf#page=null (https://www.gov.ie/pdf/?file=https://assets.gov.ie/79445/bb49040f-d831-4d42-aa80-1d07e37c0bef.pdf#page=null)
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: john m on July 12, 2020, 02:03:46 pm
So If you have a screen you dont need to mask up


Anybody willing to say yer man John M was not only right but also correct ....These  Regulations  provide  that  members  of  the  public  shall  not,  without reasonable excuse, travel by public transport without wearing a face covering. Public  transport  under  the  Regulations  encompasses  all  bus  and  rail  services provided  under  contract  with  the  National  Transport  Authority  (NTA),  LUAS services and commercial bus services licensed by the NTA.It is an offence not to comply with a request by a relevant person to wear a face covering.  It  is  also  an  offence  notto comply  where  a  relevant  person refuses entry to a public transport vehicle or where a relevant person requestsa person to   alight   from   a   public   transport   vehicle.   Relevant   personsunder   the Regulations  are  officers,  employees  or  agents  of  public  transport  operators  or theNational Transport Authority.The Regulations do not apply to children aged under 13 years and do not apply, in certain circumstances, to driversof public transport vehicles.


Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: silverbullet on July 12, 2020, 02:06:39 pm
So If you have a screen you dont need to mask up


Anybody willing to say yer man John M was not only right but also correct ....These  Regulations  provide  that  members  of  the  public  shall  not,  without reasonable excuse, travel by public transport without wearing a face covering. Public  transport  under  the  Regulations  encompasses  all  bus  and  rail  services provided  under  contract  with  the  National  Transport  Authority  (NTA),  LUAS services and commercial bus services licensed by the NTA.It is an offence not to comply with a request by a relevant person to wear a face covering.  It  is  also  an  offence  notto comply  where  a  relevant  person refuses entry to a public transport vehicle or where a relevant person requestsa person to   alight   from   a   public   transport   vehicle.   Relevant   personsunder   the Regulations  are  officers,  employees  or  agents  of  public  transport  operators  or theNational Transport Authority.The Regulations do not apply to children aged under 13 years and do not apply, in certain circumstances, to driversof public transport vehicles.
Well that's vague enough to allow wriggle room.
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: john m on July 12, 2020, 02:10:58 pm
Silver You cant explain to the deaf .If taxis were Public Service vehicles we would be entitled to claim subsidies .There is a Public service requirement for Wheelchair Accessible vehicles this is why they are asked to register and why they can receive a Grant .
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: silverbullet on July 12, 2020, 02:18:03 pm
Silver You cant explain to the deaf .If taxis were Public Service vehicles we would be entitled to claim subsidies .There is a Public service requirement for Wheelchair Accessible vehicles this is why they are asked to register and why they can receive a Grant .
Loads also supply school run services too.
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: watty on July 12, 2020, 06:42:36 pm
NTA: Minister Signs Regulation Making Face Coverings on Public Transport a Legal Requirement (https://www.nationaltransport.ie/news/minister-signs-regulation-making-face-coverings-on-public-transport-a-legal-requirement/) (Today, 12 July)

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The Regulation applies to all bus and rail services provided under contract with the National Transport Authority (NTA), Luas services and commercial bus services licensed by the NTA.

No mention of taxis in today's missive.  However, on Mon 29 June, the NTA posted Face coverings to become compulsory (https://www.nationaltransport.ie/taxi-and-bus-licensing/face-coverings-to-become-compulsory/) in their taxi section.  First line said, "Face coverings will shortly be compulsory on all SPSV services" while the last line said, "We will keep you updated."  It's only been 2 weeks but who's counting...
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: Theoneandonly on July 12, 2020, 06:49:13 pm
Silver You cant explain to the deaf .If taxis were Public Service vehicles we would be entitled to claim subsidies .There is a Public service requirement for Wheelchair Accessible vehicles this is why they are asked to register and why they can receive a Grant .
Loads also supply school run services too.

Yeah, those are subsidised too, he'd have been better saying public transport are only vehicles that seat 9 or more people, which would be equally bullshit but a little easier to justify.
Fair play though. Only the Erm would happily argue that a vehicle officially called a "small public service vehicle" was not a public service vehicle, it's as though "small" translates to "not"?


I believe what John was trying to suggest (very poorly) was only companies that have a public service obligation:

 “ public service obligation ” means a requirement specified by the Authority in order to ensure public passenger transport services in the general economic interest which a public transport operator, if it were considering its own commercial interests, would not assume or would not assume to the same extent or under the same conditions without reward;


Which Taxis don't have, however not having a public service obligation, does not mean we're not part of the public transport service.

From what I've read of the new regulation and the Dublin Transport Authority Act 2008, there is enough to suggest we are not obliged to insist on passengers wearing a mask, particularly if we have a screen fitted
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: john m on July 12, 2020, 06:52:43 pm
Wattie I have a pain in my hole trying to explain Taxies are NOT FUCKING PUBLIC SERVICE VEHICLES .The NTA cannot legislate on health and safety grounds how we work as we are independent service providers .Read the SI why do you think it says people who work from behind a screen have no need to wear a mask  .Drivers of Trains,Busses,Trams all work in isolated compartments .Nowhere in your terms and conditions of employment in Dublin Bus or Irish rail does it say a mask is part of your uniform .Answer me this if this poison is so poisonous why are member of an Garda not compelled to wear facemasks they will come into direct contact with people during their tour of duty .The SI says passengers Not drivers .Tell me this apart from Medical staff who wear masks as personal protection what other employees are mandated by statute to wear masks .This is more window dressing there are more infectious places than public transport but the State have little if any power to mandate the wearing of masks no more than they can mandate you download the app or get a vaccination .
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: john m on July 12, 2020, 06:55:36 pm
Silver You cant explain to the deaf .If taxis were Public Service vehicles we would be entitled to claim subsidies .There is a Public service requirement for Wheelchair Accessible vehicles this is why they are asked to register and why they can receive a Grant .
Loads also supply school run services too.

Yeah, those are subsidised too, he'd have been better saying public transport are only vehicles that seat 9 or more people, which would be equally bullshit but a little easier to justify.
Fair play though. Only the Erm would happily argue that a vehicle officially called a "small public service vehicle" was not a public service vehicle, it's as though "small" translates to "not"?


I believe what John was trying to suggest (very poorly) was only companies that have a public service obligation:

 “ public service obligation ” means a requirement specified by the Authority in order to ensure public passenger transport services in the general economic interest which a public transport operator, if it were considering its own commercial interests, would not assume or would not assume to the same extent or under the same conditions without reward;


Which Taxis don't have, however not having a public service obligation, does not mean we're not part of the public transport service.

From what I've read of the new regulation and the Dublin Transport Authority Act 2008, there is enough to suggest we are not obliged to insist on passengers wearing a mask, particularly if we have a screen fitted

Your Pathetic Roy now man up and get in touch with the powers that be and PROVE A TAXI IS A PUBLIC SERVICE VEHICLE .Either put up or fucking shut up your beginning to sound like a right fucking gobshite .
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: Theoneandonly on July 12, 2020, 07:04:46 pm
IIt seems odd  and a bit lazy that the minister refers to the Dublin Transport Authority act of 2008 for definitions:

The Dublin Transport Authority was subsumed by the NTA in 2016: https://www.lawreform.ie/_fileupload/RevisedActs/WithAnnotations/HTML/en_act_2008_0015.htm (https://www.lawreform.ie/_fileupload/RevisedActs/WithAnnotations/HTML/en_act_2008_0015.htm)
The Dublin Transport Authority had no jurisdiction beyond Dublin and immediate surrounds
As far as I can make out, The Dublin Transport Authority had jurisdiction only over Dublin buses and the construction of the Luas lines
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: Theoneandonly on July 12, 2020, 07:08:51 pm
Silver You cant explain to the deaf .If taxis were Public Service vehicles we would be entitled to claim subsidies .There is a Public service requirement for Wheelchair Accessible vehicles this is why they are asked to register and why they can receive a Grant .
Loads also supply school run services too.

Yeah, those are subsidised too, he'd have been better saying public transport are only vehicles that seat 9 or more people, which would be equally bullshit but a little easier to justify.
Fair play though. Only the Erm would happily argue that a vehicle officially called a "small public service vehicle" was not a public service vehicle, it's as though "small" translates to "not"?


I believe what John was trying to suggest (very poorly) was only companies that have a public service obligation:

 “ public service obligation ” means a requirement specified by the Authority in order to ensure public passenger transport services in the general economic interest which a public transport operator, if it were considering its own commercial interests, would not assume or would not assume to the same extent or under the same conditions without reward;


Which Taxis don't have, however not having a public service obligation, does not mean we're not part of the public transport service.

From what I've read of the new regulation and the Dublin Transport Authority Act 2008, there is enough to suggest we are not obliged to insist on passengers wearing a mask, particularly if we have a screen fitted

Your Pathetic Roy now man up and get in touch with the powers that be and PROVE A TAXI IS A PUBLIC SERVICE VEHICLE .Either put up or fucking shut up your beginning to sound like a right fucking gobshite .

As far as I'm concerned I've proven it beyond any doubt, I've posted links to various County council websites defining taxis as public service vehicles, I've pointed out that they're called small public service vehicles, I've linked to official definitions of public service vehicles as vehicles that carry the public for hire and reward etc etc etc
You on the other hand have offered no proof that they aren't , because there is none.... because they are .... you fucking muppet!
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: watty on July 12, 2020, 07:10:00 pm
This is a screenshot of the NTA homepage as viewed on a mobile phone.  Guess which button you choose for taxis?  (Hint: small Public Service Vehicles  ;) )

(https://i.ibb.co/ZNLw0mN/psv002.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)

Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: john m on July 12, 2020, 07:10:35 pm
Look at the Statutory Instrument it says exactly what I said it would say .Taxies are only public service vehicles in one country in the world Egypt .Now fuck off you are making a fool of yourself .
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: john m on July 12, 2020, 07:13:24 pm
This is a screenshot of the NTA homepage as viewed on a mobile phone.  Guess which button you choose for taxis?  (Hint: small Public Service Vehicles  ;) )

(https://i.ibb.co/ZNLw0mN/psv002.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)

So just because you call a Fat girl Fat dosent mean she is fat .taxies are NOT PUBLIC SERVICE VEHICLES .and feel free to contact the Patron Saint of Taximen Mr Boyd Barrett and ask him to confirm it with the Minister for Motoring on your behalf .
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: Theoneandonly on July 12, 2020, 07:14:31 pm
Look at the Statutory Instrument it says exactly what I said it would say .Taxies are only public service vehicles in one country in the world Egypt .Now fuck off you are making a fool of yourself .

It says nothing about Egypt
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: watty on July 12, 2020, 07:17:12 pm
I don't need to.  Every Govt official/Dept I've ever dealt with has called my vehicle a PSV or a sPSV.  That's the official lingo.

BTW, which button did you decide to press on the screenshot?
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: john m on July 12, 2020, 07:38:11 pm
I don't need to.  Every Govt official/Dept I've ever dealt with has called my vehicle a PSV or a sPSV.  That's the official lingo.

BTW, which button did you decide to press on the screenshot?

I have aske any of you to prove we are Public Service Vehicles so go ahead contact the Minister and shut me up .
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: watty on July 12, 2020, 07:54:21 pm
Why would we contact the Minister?

(Govt website) http://www.pointofsinglecontact.ie/browse-by-sector/transport/taxi-driver.html (http://www.pointofsinglecontact.ie/browse-by-sector/transport/taxi-driver.html)

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Taxi Driver
The following is for general information purposes only. All further queries regarding this information should be directed to the competent authority listed below.

Competent Authority
The National Transport Authority has responsibility for regulating the SPSV (small public service vehicle) sector in accordance with the provisions of the Taxi Regulation Act, 2013. In relation to the SPSV sector, the objectives of the National Transport Authority are to ensure the provision and maintenance of high-quality services and standards, and fair competition in the delivery of SPSV services in Ireland.

SPSV stands for ‘small public service vehicle’, which includes taxis, wheelchair accessible taxis, hackneys, wheelchair accessible hackneys and limousines. Any such vehicle must be associated with a valid SPSV licence. In addition, the driver of an SPSV must have a valid SPSV driver licence.

To achieve its objective of promoting a high quality SPSV service, the National Transport Authority has been given powers, under the Taxi Regulation Act 2013, to make and enforce regulations in relation to the licensing, control and operation of:

SPSV drivers;
SPSVs (vehicles); and
SPSV dispatch operators.
People working in the SPSV industry must also comply with a wider range of regulations that apply to them as road users and as business service providers. These regulations are enforced by a range of statutory bodies, including:

  An Garda Síochána;
 The Road Safety Authority;
 Local authorities;
 The Health Service Executive;
 The Revenue Commissioners;
 The Department of Social Protection;
 The Health & Safety Authority;
 The Competition Authority.


P.S. did you decide yet which button to press on the NTA page to get taxi info?  (hint: small Public Service Vehicle)
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: john m on July 12, 2020, 08:04:35 pm
This site contains some that are educated some that are intelligent a few that are both then the there are the others .You know the sort they think the weather forcast is scientific research .


A CHALLENGE TO SOME OF THE KNOWALLS ON HERE GET CONFORMATION FROM THE MINISTER THAT TAXIES ARE PUBLIC SERVICE VEHICLES .
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: Theoneandonly on July 12, 2020, 08:24:56 pm
This site contains some that are educated some that are intelligent a few that are both then the there are the others .You know the sort they think the weather forcast is scientific research .


A CHALLENGE TO SOME OF THE KNOWALLS ON HERE GET CONFORMATION FROM THE MINISTER THAT TAXIES ARE PUBLIC SERVICE VEHICLES .

Unlike you John we're not stupid enough to have to ask anybody is a small public service vehicle a public service vehicle
It's a bit like asking is the pope a catholic
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: john m on July 12, 2020, 10:17:51 pm
You wont ask because you will be handed your own arse by the answer .I seen a Junkie falling down the street earlier wearing an Irish Tracksuit and Adidas Runners I said to our kid hey look at the athlete he must be because he looks like one she told me I was a fucking idiot .Just like the idiots who think we are Public service vehicles .Everything is not like it looks .
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: Theoneandonly on July 13, 2020, 12:28:08 am
You wont ask because you will be handed your own arse by the answer .I seen a Junkie falling down the street earlier wearing an Irish Tracksuit and Adidas Runners I said to our kid hey look at the athlete he must be because he looks like one she told me I was a fucking idiot .Just like the idiots who think we are Public service vehicles .Everything is not like it looks .

I will concede you were right ... kinda
Whilst you were arguing we are not public service vehicles ,,, we are!
The Minister in the act has now used the term Public Transport, which we are not
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: dalymount on July 13, 2020, 06:09:30 pm
Surely if anybody wanted clarification on this matter,the thing to do would be to get written confirmation from the  NTA
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: Theoneandonly on July 13, 2020, 07:02:46 pm
Surely if anybody wanted clarification on this matter,the thing to do would be to get written confirmation from the  NTA

Last we heard from them they believed we would be included in the act:

(https://i.postimg.cc/18sSWb1W/Screen-Shot-2020-07-13-at-18-59-51.png) (https://postimg.cc/18sSWb1W)

However it seems we aren't inluded in the act, so it's very possible that'll be the last we hear from them, unless they use their Taxi regulatory powers and make us wear masks that way.
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: Rat Catcher on July 13, 2020, 07:27:42 pm
Minister Ryan is probably reluctant to appoint taxi drivers as enforcers. Having a bunch of immigrants refusing service to folk who are Irish by accident of birth would be crazy and, perhaps, a tad ironic. Imagine a Muslim telling a white Irishwoman to cover her face or get out of his car!
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: Shallowhal on July 13, 2020, 08:07:09 pm
Muslim telling a white Irishwoman to cover her face or get out of his car!

..and maybe do a little dance...make a little love...
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: silverbullet on July 13, 2020, 11:24:34 pm
Minister Ryan is probably reluctant to appoint taxi drivers as enforcers. Having a bunch of immigrants refusing service to folk who are Irish by accident of birth would be crazy and, perhaps, a tad ironic. Imagine a Muslim telling a white Irishwoman to cover her face or get out of his car!
Mairin De Burca would have been a good transport minister.
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: TheDevilHimself on July 14, 2020, 06:34:44 pm
would requiring taxi drivers to wear face  masks  would be a road safety issue ?
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: Jack Meoff on July 14, 2020, 06:48:52 pm
would requiring taxi drivers to wear face  masks  would be a road safety issue ?

Glasses keep fogging up with the mask on.
Even jockeys have to wear them which is a bit odd.
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: Rat Catcher on July 14, 2020, 06:59:31 pm
1) Remove your glasses
2) Fit your mask
3) Pinch the nose clip on the mask tightly around your nose
4) Put your glasses back on
Very same as using the paper DIY masks with power tools.
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: watty on July 14, 2020, 07:05:17 pm
Open to correction but according to the NTA's missive yesterday, drivers of public transport vehicles with a screen don't have to wear a mask (e.g. bus drivers).  Would the same apply to us in public service vehicles?

I found that my glasses were still fogging up no matter what I did.  But I found these tips (https://health.clevelandclinic.org/how-to-keep-your-glasses-fog-free-while-wearing-a-mask/) helpful & hopefully will stop the problem when I go back to work:

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Just add soap and water
The next trick has been floating around the internet a lot these days. It’s actually one that healthcare professionals have turned to over the years. All you need for this foggy glasses hack is soapy water and a soft cloth.

Now, glasses can be a major investment. If you have special coatings on your lenses, check with your optician before trying this next hack so you don’t ruin them.

With this technique, you simply wash your lenses with soapy water and shake off the excess liquid. You can allow your lenses to air dry or gently wipe them off with a soft cloth before wearing your glasses again. Why does this method work? The soap leaves behind a thin film that acts as a fog barrier.

Use your glasses to seal the top of your mask
If you can pull your mask up higher on your nose, you can use your glasses to seal it and shape it to your face. Just place your glasses right on top of the material that’s over your nose and make sure they don’t slide off. A secure fit will keep the warm air from escaping through the top of the mask.
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: Theoneandonly on July 14, 2020, 07:12:03 pm
Spit! (I know covid)
That's what the divers do
https://www.leisurepro.com/blog/scuba-guides/why-do-divers-spit-in-their-masks/#:~:text=Decreasing%20the%20surface%20tension%20and%20creating%20a%20moisture%20film%20prevents%20fogging.&text=As%20a%20surfactant%3B%20saliva%20decreases,roll%20away%20into%20the%20mask. (https://www.leisurepro.com/blog/scuba-guides/why-do-divers-spit-in-their-masks/#:~:text=Decreasing%20the%20surface%20tension%20and%20creating%20a%20moisture%20film%20prevents%20fogging.&text=As%20a%20surfactant%3B%20saliva%20decreases,roll%20away%20into%20the%20mask.)
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: Jack Meoff on July 14, 2020, 07:15:51 pm
Open to correction but according to the NTA's missive yesterday, drivers of public transport vehicles with a screen don't have to wear a mask (e.g. bus drivers).  Would the same apply to us in public service vehicles?

I found that my glasses were still fogging up no matter what I did.  But I found these tips (https://health.clevelandclinic.org/how-to-keep-your-glasses-fog-free-while-wearing-a-mask/) helpful & hopefully will stop the problem when I go back to work:

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Just add soap and water
The next trick has been floating around the internet a lot these days. It’s actually one that healthcare professionals have turned to over the years. All you need for this foggy glasses hack is soapy water and a soft cloth.

Now, glasses can be a major investment. If you have special coatings on your lenses, check with your optician before trying this next hack so you don’t ruin them.

With this technique, you simply wash your lenses with soapy water and shake off the excess liquid. You can allow your lenses to air dry or gently wipe them off with a soft cloth before wearing your glasses again. Why does this method work? The soap leaves behind a thin film that acts as a fog barrier.

Use your glasses to seal the top of your mask
If you can pull your mask up higher on your nose, you can use your glasses to seal it and shape it to your face. Just place your glasses right on top of the material that’s over your nose and make sure they don’t slide off. A secure fit will keep the warm air from escaping through the top of the mask.

Tried the soap and water but no good.
Did notice the other morning when I had the heating on in the car they didn’t fog up.
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: Belker on August 06, 2020, 09:16:10 pm
I tried both watty's Soap suggestion and also Roy's Spit suggestion.
I have to say Roy's Spit suggestion while not perfect was a better result.
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: taxi1990 on August 06, 2020, 09:19:45 pm
Try contacts?
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: Theoneandonly on August 07, 2020, 05:47:30 am
Would it be true to say that from Monday, Taxis are the only non outdoor area where mask wearing is not compulsory (apart from when you're eating/drinking where the distance rules apply)
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: Octavia1 on August 07, 2020, 08:04:44 am
Had to wear a mask yesterday going into shop ......cudnt breathe .....no way am I puttin that ting on me gob......
Think I'll stock up on pasta before its compulsory
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: Cool Boola on August 07, 2020, 10:09:49 am
I FIND THE BLUE disposable masks easy to use.They are light but not tight fitting on nose.they do fog up like all masks.I was given a tighter black mask but I find it hard to breath in but I will try out the anti fog tips ..Go raibh maith agat
Title: Re: To mask or not to mask
Post by: Belker on August 07, 2020, 10:10:09 am
Would it be true to say that from Monday, Taxis are the only non outdoor area where mask wearing is not compulsory (apart from when you're eating/drinking where the distance rules apply)
I think the Heurs and Solicitors are exempt also !