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Public Area => Taxi Talk => Topic started by: john m on December 04, 2020, 04:21:10 pm
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Minister just signed Passengers and Drivers of SPSV must wear face masks .
Cant get the SI to see what the penalty is for allowing somebody travel without a mask and if the driver will be fined for it or the passenger .
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Only 9 months late,you couldnt make it up.
But hey,who said the NTA were a money making quango, that cared little about taxi drivers.
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I just read the Statutory Instrument and it does not say what penalty applies if a passenger does not wear a mask .I wonder if the same penelty applies as not wearing a mask on the bus .
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Requirement to wear face covering when travelling by small public service
vehicle
4. (1) Subject to paragraph (2), a person shall not, without reasonable
excuse, use or travel by small public service vehicle within a relevant
geographical location without wearing a face covering.
(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to -
(a) a person under the age of 13 years,
(b) a member of the Garda Síochána in the course of performing his
or her duties, or
(c) a person using or travelling by small public service vehicle when
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(i) there is no other person in the vehicle, or
(ii) the vehicle is not being driven or used for the carriage of
passengers for reward.
(3) Paragraph (1) is a penal provision for the purposes of section 31A of the
Health Act 1947 (No. 28 of 1947).
Requirement to ensure face coverings are worn by passengers
5. (1) Subject to paragraph (2), a person who is the driver of a small public
service vehicle shall take reasonable steps, when the vehicle is being used for
the carriage of passengers for hire or reward within a relevant geographical
location, to ensure that each such passenger is wearing a face covering.
(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply in respect of a passenger who –
(a) is under the age of 13 years, or
(b) has reasonable excuse for not wearing a face covering.
Reasonable excuse
6. Without prejudice to the generality of what constitutes reasonable excuse
for the purposes of Regulation 4(1), a person has reasonable excuse if -
(a) the person cannot put on, wear or remove a face covering -
(i) because of any physical or mental illness, impairment, or
disability, or
(ii) without severe distress,
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(b) the person needs to communicate with a person who has
difficulties communicating (in relation to speech, language or
otherwise),
(c) the person removes the face covering to provide emergency
assistance or to provide care or assistance to a vulnerable person,
(d) the person removes the face covering to avoid harm or injury, or
the risk of harm or injury, or
(e) the person removes the face covering in order to, and only for the
time required to, take medication.
Amendment of Health Act 1947 (Section 31A – Temporary Restrictions)
(Covid-19) (Face Coverings in Certain Premises and Businesses)
Regulations 2020
7. Part A of the Schedule to the Health Act 1947 (Section 31A – Temporary
Restrictions) (Covid-19) (Face Coverings in Certain Premises and Businesses)
Regulations 2020 (S.I. No. 296 of 2020) is amended by the insertion of the
following paragraphs after paragraph 7:
“8. Bus Stations.
9. Rail Stations.”.
GIVEN under my Official Seal,
2 December, 2020.
STEPHEN DONNE
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Only 9 months late,you couldnt make it up.
But hey,who said the NTA were a money making quango, that cared little about taxi drivers.
So Justin will you be telling Nodger and Frankie the Blade they cant get a taxi to the Flats to score Brown unless they bally up ?Will you feel safer if Nodger and Frankie the Blade get into your car already Ballied up .If there wasent a cough you would drive over some lad wearing a bally trying to stop you .
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If you read the Statutory Instrument as written .The rule applies to BOTH driver and passenger .So beware of the Penalty if you are caught with passengers on board and YOU are not wearing face covering ....People who fail to comply with mandatory rules on face coverings on public transport could face up to six months in prison and a fine of €2,500 from Monday.
Taoiseach Micheál Martin confirmed on Friday that regulations were being signed to make the wearing of face masks on public transport obligatory,
Under the new rules, gardaí can be called to enforce if someone fails to wear a face covering. If they continue not to co-operate, they can face arrest and prosecution, with a penalty for a conviction of up to €2,500 fine and/or six months in jail.
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If you read the Statutory Instrument as written .The rule applies to BOTH driver and passenger .So beware of the Penalty if you are caught with passengers on board and YOU are not wearing face covering ....People who fail to comply with mandatory rules on face coverings on public transport could face up to six months in prison and a fine of €2,500 from Monday.
Taoiseach Micheál Martin confirmed on Friday that regulations were being signed to make the wearing of face masks on public transport obligatory,
Under the new rules, gardaí can be called to enforce if someone fails to wear a face covering. If they continue not to co-operate, they can face arrest and prosecution, with a penalty for a conviction of up to €2,500 fine and/or six months in jail.
I’m all for protecting people but it seems that the enforcement is all about money.
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Only 9 months late,you couldnt make it up.
But hey,who said the NTA were a money making quango, that cared little about taxi drivers.
So Justin will you be telling Nodger and Frankie the Blade they cant get a taxi to the Flats to score Brown unless they bally up ?Will you feel safer if Nodger and Frankie the Blade get into your car already Ballied up .If there wasent a cough you would drive over some lad wearing a bally trying to stop you .
Well for starters if I saw Nodger and Frankie trying to flag me down,I would drive past them.
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Only 9 months late,you couldnt make it up.
But hey,who said the NTA were a money making quango, that cared little about taxi drivers.
So Justin will you be telling Nodger and Frankie the Blade they cant get a taxi to the Flats to score Brown unless they bally up ?Will you feel safer if Nodger and Frankie the Blade get into your car already Ballied up .If there wasent a cough you would drive over some lad wearing a bally trying to stop you .
Well for starters if I saw Nodger and Frankie trying to flag me down,I would drive past them.
I cheesed that trap .How would you know it was Nodger and Frankie the Blade .And lets say you do pick them up and Garda Ultan O Challaigh does both of them for breaking the Fasemask law .On the Day your in Court to give evidence who will put out the fire in your car .Nodger wont like the idea of you giving evidence .I bet some fucktard in a Rep body asked for this more restrictions on drivers you couldnt make this shit up .Drivers now liable to fines for not wearing facemasks .How many other workers are fined if they dont wear a mask to work ?
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Bus Unions said ...Union representatives, however have raised concerns about the legislation.
National Bus and Rail Union (NBRU) general secretary Dermot O'Leary claimed that no guidance has been issued to transport staff.
"In relation to our members, we will not be policing and we will not be enforcing this legislation," he told RTE.
"It's not our role to do it. A bus driver's job is to drive the bus, not to police the laws of the land.
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HEALTH ACT 1947 (SECTION 31A – TEMPORARY RESTRICTIONS)
(COVID-19) (FACE COVERINGS IN SMALL PUBLIC SERVICE
VEHICLES AND CERTAIN PREMISES) REGULATIONS 2020 (http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2020/si/569/made/en/pdf) (PDF)
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HEALTH ACT 1947 (SECTION 31A – TEMPORARY RESTRICTIONS)
(COVID-19) (FACE COVERINGS IN SMALL PUBLIC SERVICE
VEHICLES AND CERTAIN PREMISES) REGULATIONS 2020 ([url]http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2020/si/569/made/en/pdf[/url]) (PDF)
I poster it earlier Watty .Unbelievable taxi reps have not voiced their concerne with this bill which places the onus to enforce it on lads with driving licences not legal degrees or qualifications .2500 euro fine if you dont bally up when carrying freight .
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jesus fucking christ.
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I poster it earlier Watty
You posted some text but not the link.
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Big Dommo called over with Fish and Chips he is sort of traditional like that Friday was always fish and chips from the chipper near the flats a one and one .He says we ate Fish on Friday because Catholics were not allowed to eat meat .I was telling him about the Facemasks and he just said Catholics what the fuck .Then he tells me Jesus had to make his own Cross and carry it up the Hill so he could be Crucified bit like taxi drivers making crosses for their own backs .Never knew any Industry like it that asked for more Rules ,Regulations and Changes to make it harder to earn coin .I looked at him eating the bones of his long Ray and muttered "Amen to that "
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I poster it earlier Watty
You posted some text but not the link.
Dont know why but I cant copy Government links .I need to copy and paste .
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It was inevitable really since you're supposed to wear a mask walking down crowded streets now.
I'd also imagine 'reasonable' (efforts/steps) means nothing in law so it would be almost impossible to prosecute anybody unless they basically admitted it. The shop keepers and bus drivers are not playing enforcer with these laws so no reason to expect us to do it either.
And of course don't forget the NTA's message from 29 June 2020 --> Face coverings to become compulsory (https://www.nationaltransport.ie/face-coverings-to-become-compulsory/)
We will keep you updated.
What's 5 months and a bit between friends!
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On the Day your in Court to give evidence
If a passenger is up before the wig,the evidence of the Garda will be enough....i certainly wouldn't be attending any court cases.
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On the Day your in Court to give evidence
If a passenger is up before the wig,the evidence of the Garda will be enough....i certainly wouldn't be attending any court cases.
I thought you were from Finglas Nodger or Frankie the Blades little sister will knock around to ask you to appear for the defense .Its called the Burning Car Defense .You would swear on the Book you couldnt recognise Nodger or Frankie the Blade as if it was them in your motor they was unrecognisable with their masks on .
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Can ya imagine 27 minutes to three in the Morning and Garda Fiacra O Buchallig calls you in to a line up Six lads in tracksuits wearing masks and he asks can you recognise the lads that robbed you earlier of your meger nights takings .We might be safe from the Flu but masked muggers just got a Go to work card .
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It was inevitable really since you're supposed to wear a mask walking down crowded streets now.
I'd also imagine 'reasonable' (efforts/steps) means nothing in law so it would be almost impossible to prosecute anybody unless they basically admitted it. The shop keepers and bus drivers are not playing enforcer with these laws so no reason to expect us to do it either.
And of course don't forget the NTA's message from 29 June 2020 --> Face coverings to become compulsory (https://www.nationaltransport.ie/face-coverings-to-become-compulsory/)
We will keep you updated.
What's 5 months and a bit between friends!
So The Kardashians from the Flats or Una Brophy and Ann Murphy get their make up done by Faces by Beatrice who has a facebook Page and calls around to your Gaff .The two of them are in the car drinking a sneaky naggin going to a Gaff Party in Newcastle Nice Fare and they sneak their masks off as they dont want to mess up the Mush .Garda Ursula Kincaid stops you near Peamount and the Girls are not wearing masks Garda reads them the Riot act they say the driver said it was Ok .Now where do you stand .And thats a serious legal question .I can only find the Fines for Drivers or Passengers not wearing Facecoverings but are there any for non enforcement or conspiring with others to commit a criminal offence ie non wearing of facemasks .
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Has any driver ever bein fined for passangers not wearing seat belt?
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On the Day your in Court to give evidence
If a passenger is up before the wig,the evidence of the Garda will be enough....i certainly wouldn't be attending any court cases.
A passenger has a reasonable excuse to not wear a mask if they have a medical condition. A taxi driver has to make a reasonable effort to make the passenger wear a mask.
Taxi driver: Please wear a mask.
Passenger: I have asthma/COPD.
Taxi driver: OK, I'll need to confirm your story with this FN-supplied lie detector machine...
I don't think the Guards/Judges will expect us to do step 3?
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Has any driver ever bein fined for passangers not wearing seat belt?
Are they exempt ?
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So The Kardashians from the Flats or Una Brophy and Ann Murphy get their make up done by Faces by Beatrice who has a facebook Page and calls around to your Gaff .The two of them are in the car drinking a sneaky naggin going to a Gaff Party in Newcastle Nice Fare and they sneak their masks off as they dont want to mess up the Mush .Garda Ursula Kincaid stops you near Peamount and the Girls are not wearing masks Garda reads them the Riot act they say the driver said it was Ok .Now where do you stand .And thats a serious legal question .I can only find the Fines for Drivers or Passengers not wearing Facecoverings but are there any for non enforcement or conspiring with others to commit a criminal offence ie non wearing of facemasks .
If the driver was wearing a mask, I'd say it was the girls' problem? If driver is not wearing a mask, both could be in trouble?
It won't be enforced until someone starts acting the bollix. Or maybe for the first day for the cameras/newspapers.
This rule came in yesterday and there was no mention of it on any newspaper/tv/radio that I could see/read. Probably just someone in NTA cleaning out their email and noticed their June 29th publication about masks and PSVs...
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Has any driver ever bein fined for passangers not wearing seat belt?
Are they exempt ?
Dont tink anyone exempt johnny....it the law isny it?
But I doubt an cop wud bring you to court for not making another adult wear one ......I'm sure be same for mask ....
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Has any driver ever bein fined for passangers not wearing seat belt?
Are they exempt ?
Dont tink anyone exempt johnny....it the law isny it?
But I doubt an cop wud bring you to court for not making another adult wear one ......I'm sure be same for mask ....
Hopefully but you never know .Unlike Tesco shoppers most of our customers are Drug or drink fueled at night really dont like the law that puts me in a position to ask them to bally up .Had intended to go out tonight now rethinking I might work Days to earn my extra 120 per week .
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One question not answered is can we officially charge extra if we have to give the pax mask(s)? Say €2 a mask?
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One question not answered is can we officially charge extra if we have to give the pax mask(s)? Say €2 a mask?
Deffo.....
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The NTA would prob have a consultation and decide in May 2021 that we could charge for masks but we'd have to update our meters in Aug 2021 for €150 a pop ::fds
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Has any driver ever bein fined for passangers not wearing seat belt?
Are they exempt ?
Dont tink anyone exempt johnny....it the law isny it?
But I doubt an cop wud bring you to court for not making another adult wear one ......I'm sure be same for mask ....
Hopefully but you never know .Unlike Tesco shoppers most of our customers are Drug or drink fueled at night really dont like the law that puts me in a position to ask them to bally up .Had intended to go out tonight now rethinking I might work Days to earn my extra 120 per week .
I put the app on yesterday to tease meself wat I'm missing ....ther was 2 or 3 jobs on it an hour from 2 pm o clock .....I was surprised....but I tink I'll sit it out till April anyway ....I dont do flu very well on account of me Celtic genetics .....ide do few hours an rush hour yu probably do well now till 1st January...
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How many of you claimed the Covid Coin on the Grounds you could not carry out your trade because of Social distancing .Well whoever managed to convince the Minister to bring in mandatory masks has just knocked that excuse on the head .I wonder if Reps thought of that before they went looking for mandatory masks ?
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Has any driver ever bein fined for passangers not wearing seat belt?
Are they exempt ?
Dont tink anyone exempt johnny....it the law isny it?
But I doubt an cop wud bring you to court for not making another adult wear one ......I'm sure be same for mask ....
Passenger under 18 not wearing a seat belt = The driver takes the hit
Passenger over 18 not wearing = they take the hit.
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Started back last night for the first time in months.good improvement,but it didnt really kick off till about 12-midnight,well not for me anyway
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Nice one.
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The driver is not responsible for passengers over the age of 17. If they're under that I always make sure they're strapped in. It's up to the adults themselves, I'm not asking grown ups to strap themselves in.
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The driver is not responsible for passengers over the age of 17. If they're under that I always make sure they're strapped in. It's up to the adults themselves, I'm not asking grown ups to strap themselves in.
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JONNO not asking adults to strap themselves in ?There use to be a house in South County Dublin for that sort of thing .
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The driver is not responsible for passengers over the age of 17. If they're under that I always make sure they're strapped in. It's up to the adults themselves, I'm not asking grown ups to strap themselves in.
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I would worry about that in the event of a court case after an accident. "Duty of care". "Taxi Driver, did you ensure that all safety belts were engaged before commencing your journey"? "No your honour". It would be another factor in your potential liability I reckon.
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One question not answered is can we officially charge extra if we have to give the pax mask(s)? Say €2 a mask?
Maybe it could be considered an unrelated transaction. Completed or not before meter is engaged.
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NTA: COMPULSORY FACE COVERINGS WILL HELP REBUILD CONFIDENCE IN SPSV SECTOR (https://www.nationaltransport.ie/compulsory-face-coverings-will-help-rebuild-confidence-in-spsv-sector/) (Mon, 7th Dec)
Minister for Health, Stephen Donnelly TD, has signed a Regulation that requires passengers and drivers to wear face coverings when travelling by or using a small public service vehicle (SPSV). Under the regulation there is now a legal requirement to wear a face covering when travelling in a taxi, hackney or limousine.
NTA Chief Executive Officer Anne Graham said: “We very much welcome the Minister’s decision to sign this regulation. The clear and consistent message is that face coverings make journeys safer for passengers and for drivers. We asked about Covid risk in a recent survey and 92% of current customers said they felt safe in taxi. We believe that this Regulation will increase people’s confidence in the SPSV sector, and encourage more people back into our taxis. The take-up of face coverings in taxis is already very high, and we would like to thank those customers for responding so positively. The signing of this Regulation will enable us to get the message out loud and clear that face coverings must be worn. We are asking people to do the right thing and exercise their personal responsibility. My mask protects you. Your mask protects me, so remember to put one on before you get into the car. Taxis, hackneys and limousines are important parts of the Transport for Ireland public transport network. They have been operating throughout Covid-19 and continue to provide their essential door to door services to passengers. We also encourage people to download the TFI Driver Check app, for reassurance that they are travelling with a registered taxi driver.”
Under the regulation, drivers of taxis, limousines and hackneys are entitled to refuse carriage to somebody not wearing a face covering, and are entitled to curtail a journey if a passenger removes their face covering en-route.
The driver is not required to wear a face covering when the vehicle is not in use as an SPSV, or when they are alone in the vehicle, but are required to wear one at all other times.
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I wreckon in all the half arsed slapdash phoney dogoodery that they created a loophole. ye havta wear a face covering. doesn't say what part of the body you havta wear it on though. the cunts.
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Poxy masks fucked up my washing machine. One got caught in the drain pump... got it out, cleaned the filter but it sounds like DM on the subject of dispatchers... new pump required I guess.
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Poxy masks fucked up my washing machine. One got caught in the drain pump... got it out, cleaned the filter but it sounds like DM on the subject of dispatchers... new pump required I guess.
Same thing Happened to the owlone next door wit one of her lace tongs ....you can buy a sock bag in lidls for the washing machine so they dont fuk it up or go missin
Do blind dogs need to wear a mask in a taxi ?
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Poxy masks fucked up my washing machine. One got caught in the drain pump... got it out, cleaned the filter but it sounds like DM on the subject of dispatchers... new pump required I guess.
Same thing Happened to the owlone next door wit one of her lace tongs ....you can buy a sock bag in lidls for the washing machine so they dont fuk it up or go missin
Do blind dogs need to wear a mask in a taxi ?
No probably just the Dark Glasses and a white stick
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Poxy masks fucked up my washing machine. One got caught in the drain pump... got it out, cleaned the filter but it sounds like DM on the subject of dispatchers... new pump required I guess.
Put all your smalls in pillow case.
FFS! 8)
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Poxy masks fucked up my washing machine. One got caught in the drain pump... got it out, cleaned the filter but it sounds like DM on the subject of dispatchers... new pump required I guess.
Put all your smalls in pillow case.
FFS! 8)
Really...i doubt he has smalls....bigs maybe!!
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Mrs. Catcher told me we have nets for such items. Never used them myself but then I've never cleaned the filter either, something she does regularly, apparently. Anywaysanall the pump seems to be fixing itself - at least it's doing what it's meant to do and is considerably less noisy now than it was in the immediate aftermath so I haven't bothered ordering a replacement yet. Available from NI spares for under stg£30 with express (1-2 day) delivery so no panic, I guess.
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One of the springs on the door of my dishwasher broke(the cord that connects to it and then the door is usually the suspect...but nooo)..anywaysanall....after checking a few of the spares places it transpires that buying directly from Bosch was the cheapest option.
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Just checked NI spares cos I used them a while back for an oven element and the service was excellent... delivered within 48 hours at a reasonable price. Quick tip though, go through the checkout up to but excluding payment first and they'll send you an email with a small discount.
I dunno if there's anywhere left in Dublin to shop for white goods parts other than the brand distributors. Charlie Shiels is gone, Austin Kealy is gone...
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Mastercare in Killester ? Hover repair center in Monkstown ?
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Glasnevin Appliances on Mobhi Rd....Kenco in Dublin Ind Est.
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Mastercare in Killester ? Hover repair center in Monkstown ?
Mastercare are excellent. Fixed a 35 year old Nilfisk vacuum cleaner for me and its like new.
When they call out for washing machine/ dryers etc, they don't charge an arm and a leg.