Irish Taxi Forum
Public Area => Taxi Talk => Topic started by: Rat Catcher on February 04, 2021, 04:08:05 pm
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In his 2021 Budget, and in recognition of the important role played by small public service vehicles (SPSV) in making public transport more sustainable, Minister Ryan committed €15m to assisting the SPSV industry in transitioning to fully electric and zero-emission capable wheelchair accessible vehicles. The means by which this money is being made available to the industry is the Electric SPSV (eSPSV) Grant Scheme 2021. The scheme is funded by the Department of Transport and administered by NTA.
Further information about the eSPSV Grant Scheme 2021, including how to apply, can be found here. https://www.nationaltransport.ie/taxi/forms-and-guides/ (https://www.nationaltransport.ie/taxi/forms-and-guides/)
To view the Department of Transport’s press release in relation to launch of the scheme, visit: gov.ie – Launch of Electric SPSV Grant Scheme 2021 (www.gov.ie (http://www.gov.ie)) https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2f0f5-launch-of-electric-spsv-grant-scheme-2021/ (https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2f0f5-launch-of-electric-spsv-grant-scheme-2021/)
Guides:
https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Information-Guide-for-eSPSV21-Grant-Scheme-2.pdf (https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Information-Guide-for-eSPSV21-Grant-Scheme-2.pdf)
https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/eSPSV21-Grant-Letter-Terms-Conditions.pdf (https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/eSPSV21-Grant-Letter-Terms-Conditions.pdf)
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Fair play to Minister Ryan. Minister Ryan is great so he is...
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Sleepy
Joe Eamo!!
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why is it just wheel chair taxis that have to be fully electric? what about the saloons?
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why is it just wheel chair taxis that have to be fully electric? what about the saloons?
Because they know no self respecting taxi driver would pony up to drive a WAT can you imagine the effect of pulling around a litf would have on the battery .This grant is a political window-dressing exercise .BUT as we pointed out a Corporate body (my Taxi )might take up the offer and put a fleet for rent on the road .Might even say they should be allowed inside any Corden to pick up or drop off invalids .WATCH THIS SPACE .
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why is it just wheel chair taxis that have to be fully electric? what about the saloons?
At 2.1, I read that it's both vehicles.
The aim of the Scheme is to increase the uptake of fully electric SPSVs and zero-emission capable
wheelchair accessible SPSVs. ?
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why is it just wheel chair taxis that have to be fully electric? what about the saloons?
Because they know no self respecting taxi driver would pony up to drive a WAT can you imagine the effect of pulling around a litf would have on the battery .This grant is a political window-dressing exercise .BUT as we pointed out a Corporate body (my Taxi )might take up the offer and put a fleet for rent on the road .Might even say they should be allowed inside any Corden to pick up or drop off invalids .WATCH THIS SPACE .
The only wheelchair taxi I see for sale in Ireland, can only do 200-300 km on a full charge. what use is that? you could work for only a couple of hours on a saturday night, then go home around 12 lol
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why is it just wheel chair taxis that have to be fully electric? what about the saloons?
At 2.1, I read that it's both vehicles.
The aim of the Scheme is to increase the uptake of fully electric SPSVs and zero-emission capable
wheelchair accessible SPSVs. ?
Taxis should be exempt from having to be electric as the batteries just aren't near good enough at the moment. If you could drive them as long as a diesel I would have no problem driving one but the distance you get with them is rubbish. I wonder how long we have until they force us to go electric? maybe we should be encouraged to go hybrid rather than fully electric.
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Its just Bolloxology .First there is a limited supply of EV and ELECTRICITY .After we build those Data Centers for Microsoft and Facebook that use as much power as Ballyfermot we will be importing Electricity which will make it more expensive and running an EV will be as expensive as running a diesel over its lifetime when you include servicing and part renewal .
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I wouldn't do 200 kilos on a full shift very often. The trouble is that's what it does when it's new in the box... what will it do a few years down the road?
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Will saloon ESPSVs be available to new entrants?
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Will saloon ESPSVs be available to new entrants?
I think that's a big fat yes!!
4 Who can avail of the Scheme?
4.1 The Scheme is available nationwide to:
(a) persons (individuals or companies) applying for new SPSV licences; and
(b) existing SPSV licence holders who wish to upgrade their current vehicle with a
replacement EV,
subject, in each case, to a maximum of ten (10) successful Applications in the case of any
Applicant.
An Application may be rejected if the Applicant has had a prosecution or complaint (in respect
of SPSV operation) upheld against them within the 24 months preceding the application or such
is received or pending while the application is in progress.
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That's not conclusive. New licences might be restricted to E/Part E WAVs in accordance with NTAs current temporary moratorium on the issue of saloon plates.
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Will saloon ESPSVs be available to new entrants?
thought I read existing licence holders somewhere but the guidance sheet says new applicants for wheelchair electric. I think the non Wav is for existing plate holders only.
I was in touch with a dealer who had one of the nissan NV200 electric wheelchairs advertised. He said at moment its almost a non runner getting a electric WAV conformity agreed and the costs are prohibitive €50 to €60k at the moment. Said manufacturers have no interest in committing what battery supplies they have to anything other than mass produced main stream EV's.
Wrong again.... anyone can apply for up to ten plates but existing plate holders retiring old vehicles will get a larger grant than new entrants.
https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Information-Guide-for-eSPSV21-Grant-Scheme-2.pdf (https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Information-Guide-for-eSPSV21-Grant-Scheme-2.pdf)
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Will saloon ESPSVs be available to new entrants?
thought I read existing licence holders somewhere but the guidance sheet says new applicants for wheelchair electric. I think the non Wav is for existing plate holders only.
I was in touch with a dealer who had one of the nissan NV200 electric wheelchairs advertised. He said at moment its almost a non runner getting a electric WAV conformity agreed and the costs are prohibitive €50 to €60k at the moment. Said manufacturers have no interest in committing what battery supplies they have to anything other than mass produced main stream EV's.
Wrong again.... anyone can apply for up to ten plates but existing plate holders retiring old vehicles will get a larger grant than new entrants.
https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Information-Guide-for-eSPSV21-Grant-Scheme-2.pdf (https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Information-Guide-for-eSPSV21-Grant-Scheme-2.pdf)
Why is the dealer selling them if there is no market for them?
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Will saloon ESPSVs be available to new entrants?
thought I read existing licence holders somewhere but the guidance sheet says new applicants for wheelchair electric. I think the non Wav is for existing plate holders only.
I was in touch with a dealer who had one of the nissan NV200 electric wheelchairs advertised. He said at moment its almost a non runner getting a electric WAV conformity agreed and the costs are prohibitive €50 to €60k at the moment. Said manufacturers have no interest in committing what battery supplies they have to anything other than mass produced main stream EV's.
Wrong again.... anyone can apply for up to ten plates but existing plate holders retiring old vehicles will get a larger grant than new entrants.
https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Information-Guide-for-eSPSV21-Grant-Scheme-2.pdf (https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Information-Guide-for-eSPSV21-Grant-Scheme-2.pdf)
Why is the dealer selling them if there is no market for them?
He isn't any more. He got one in from UK but issues with conformity and future supply of new vehicles. Waiting to see what way the e-grants and rules played out.
The ad has been taken down since:
https://www.carsireland.ie/county/westmeath/nissan/env200 (https://www.carsireland.ie/county/westmeath/nissan/env200)
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does anyone know if the wheelchair accessible grant will be reintroduced in 2021?
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Can't find anything on it other than the e scheme,maybe drop them an email.
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Can't find anything on it other than the e scheme,maybe drop them an email.
I might.
I wonder do they think there is enough WC taxis/hackneys in Ireland now.
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I think their ambition was to have 10%(open to correction)of the fleet as WAV's and they watered down the entry to that by introducing wanked out French panel vans..or naan vans,so they might well have achieved that figure...watty loves all that stuff so he's the man with that answer!!
But as far as eWAV's are concerned...a non runner me thinks!!
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Can't find anything on it other than the e scheme,maybe drop them an email.
I might.
I wonder do they think there is enough WC taxis/hackneys in Ireland now.
I called them last week. Response was waiting on e-grant announcement (which came) but no word either way on standard WAV grants yet and no idea if or when it might happen.
According to the 2019 NTA Taxi Stats they surpassed their 10% target. Might have dropped if drivers didn't renew because of Covid. Apparently they expect or want the whole fleet to be WAVs by 2030.
https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/NTA-Taxi-Statistics-2019-FOR-WEB.pdf (https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/NTA-Taxi-Statistics-2019-FOR-WEB.pdf)
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I think their ambition was to have 10%(open to correction)of the fleet as WAV's and they watered down the entry to that by introducing wanked out French panel vans..or naan vans,so they might well have achieved that figure...watty loves all that stuff so he's the man with that answer!!
But as far as eWAV's are concerned...a non runner me thinks!!
According to the NTA they have only approved 2 eWAVs so far, brotherwoods NV200 and the TX blackcab wav. I believe the guts of €60k before any grants.
https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/eSPSV_Grant_Vehicles_2019.pdf (https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/eSPSV_Grant_Vehicles_2019.pdf)
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The NTA had funding approved from 2018 to 2021 for wheelchair accessible SPSVs, trains and the bus network.
The 2021 allocation for SPSVs was €2.8m but probably allowed to reallocate it to eWAVs.
https://assets.gov.ie/18897/6e5f5f10c2214114ba18898387af1fbe.pdf
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Do your homework lads...If you take 20/30k off the NTA., they require that the taxi licence is kept active for a few years.That includes being fully insured.Should you decide taxi driving isn't all it's cracked up to be and want to keep truck driving they'll want some money back.
It's only a good idea if you plan on working the taxi.
Also the London cab isn't fully electric it's more like a hybrid so wouldn't qualify for the enhanced grant.
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I think their ambition was to have 10%(open to correction)of the fleet as WAV's and they watered down the entry to that by introducing wanked out French panel vans..or naan vans,so they might well have achieved that figure...watty loves all that stuff so he's the man with that answer!!
But as far as eWAV's are concerned...a non runner me thinks!!
According to the NTA they have only approved 2 eWAVs so far, brotherwoods NV200 and the TX blackcab wav. I believe the guts of €60k before any grants.
https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/eSPSV_Grant_Vehicles_2019.pdf (https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/eSPSV_Grant_Vehicles_2019.pdf)
Why would anyone want one at that kind of money? even with a NTA grant of 25k.
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Is EV Grant related to Hugh or Eddie?
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So whats the bottom line on say a Kia DeNiro thats 40k, is there also an allowance for Vrt refund?
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So whats the bottom line on say a Kia DeNiro thats 40k, is there also an allowance for Vrt refund?
In general...any rebates are built into the price,so the forecourt price is the price,grants from SEAI(for private) and NTA were completely separate.
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I've been wondering..can ya buy one of these yokes privately getting all the grants in yer wife's name then buy it again off her as a taxi and get the second big juicy grant from the NTA.
Technically the NTA regard the vehicle as being brand new if it's less than three months old or less than 3000km.
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I've been wondering..can ya buy one of these yokes privately getting all the grants in yer wife's name then buy it again off her as a taxi and get the second big juicy grant from the NTA.
Technically the NTA regard the vehicle as being brand new if it's less than three months old or less than 3000km.
Shurrup thinking out loud!!
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Fair play to Minister Ryan. Minister Ryan is great so he is...
When he s awake
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I think their ambition was to have 10%(open to correction)of the fleet as WAV's and they watered down the entry to that by introducing wanked out French panel vans..or naan vans,so they might well have achieved that figure...watty loves all that stuff so he's the man with that answer!!
But as far as eWAV's are concerned...a non runner me thinks!!
According to the NTA they have only approved 2 eWAVs so far, brotherwoods NV200 and the TX blackcab wav. I believe the guts of €60k before any grants.
https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/eSPSV_Grant_Vehicles_2019.pdf (https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/eSPSV_Grant_Vehicles_2019.pdf)
How do u get plate num for the london one love to see it
55 495 sterling new so thats over 65 k here
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I've been wondering..can ya buy one of these yokes privately getting all the grants in yer wife's name then buy it again off her as a taxi and get the second big juicy grant from the NTA.
Technically the NTA regard the vehicle as being brand new if it's less than three months old or less than 3000km.
I think whoever buys it first has to keep and insure it as a taxi for 3 years minimum.
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It's not illegal what I'm thinking AFAIK.The prices listed on all the car dealer sites are for a private customer who can avail of the 5000 SEAI grant that's due to expire this year.Taxis are no longer allowed to get it.
I can't see whoy a taxi driver couldn't get that SEAI grant by buying the car as a private customer and still take the 20k off the NTA.The cars themselves are still very expensive.The smaller battery leaf is still gonna be 13k after the NTA grant of 20k.But the more desirable and useful Leaf with the bigger battery is 43k before the 20k from the NTA.These are huge numbers when you can buy a diesel Dacia Logan for buttons.
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It's not illegal what I'm thinking AFAIK.The prices listed on all the car dealer sites are for a private customer who can avail of the 5000 SEAI grant that's due to expire this year.Taxis are no longer allowed to get it.
I can't see whoy a taxi driver couldn't get that SEAI grant by buying the car as a private customer and still take the 20k off the NTA.The cars themselves are still very expensive.The smaller battery leaf is still gonna be 13k after the NTA grant of 20k.But the more desirable and useful Leaf with the bigger battery is 43k before the 20k from the NTA.These are huge numbers when you can buy a diesel Dacia Logan for buttons.
The bigger 62kw leaf isnt listed on the NTA or eligible vehicles and isn't on the SEAI list either. Probably would be acceptable but best to check first.
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Yeah Uwha they probably haven't had anyone ask about it yet.It's essentially the same vehicle though.By the time I actually get around to doing anything there will be a few decent leccy cars available.
Even with all the grants they're all overpriced.
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I've been wondering..can ya buy one of these yokes privately getting all the grants in yer wife's name then buy it again off her as a taxi and get the second big juicy grant from the NTA.
Technically the NTA regard the vehicle as being brand new if it's less than three months old or less than 3000km.
Stupid question but Can you not apply for both?
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Look at the Plan for Dublin City Public Maze .The Coke taking lads and Huns from outside the City wont bother traveling into the City for entertainment .What the new normal will be is people living in the city in their live alone cells or tourists staying in spunk ,Sick and Piss soaked hotel rooms .Nightlife will be Two Courses and a bottle of Cheap Plonk .Shitheads bouncing around from pub to pub swollowing a pint in each before the Go to coppers was the old normal .A year of lockdown and at least another 6 months before pubs open will of broken the Spell the pubs had over Irish people .
Would you really consider investing any money in this industry at the moment .As rodent says rent an electric bike or scooter will be popular with people only traveling short distances .Draw a Circle out as far as Black Horse ,Glasnevin Merrion Gate ,Dundrum .Those bikes or scooters will compete for younger travelers coin .As FDS said taxi driving is only a part time gig .Big concerts or Sports events and transporting the elderly .
It would be a brave man that would commit a lot of Coin to this Industry at the moment .
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^^^^^You probably can but they haven't closed the loophole yet or not many have thought about it.SEAI won't give you a grant for use as a taxi but if you buy it for personal use they will.Then it's up to the NTA to give you another grant if you qualify.
|Erm if taxi driving wasn't worth doing we would all have left by now.Fuk FDS.Part timers are struggling to cover overheads too.Give it a rest.
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I've been wondering..can ya buy one of these yokes privately getting all the grants in yer wife's name then buy it again off her as a taxi and get the second big juicy grant from the NTA.
Technically the NTA regard the vehicle as being brand new if it's less than three months old or less than 3000km.
Stupid question but Can you not apply for both?
No....it one or t'other.
Maybe what MFH is suggesting.
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Oh ok thanks.
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The Red Arsed Baboon likes to flash his big red bulbus Hole to attract Females .Eammo the Cabbage likes to Flash his Verdant Green Scrotum to attract Votes .The fuckology by the Greens about Green Transport offering Green Grants to Bus and Taxi owners to go Green is absolute FUCKOLOGY ,the bus and Taxi industry is the second cleanest mode of transport after Trains and only accounts for 3% of emissions .You are being subsidised by the Government to be a Guinea Pig for Electric Motoring .Their logic being if Busses and Taxis are electric they must be Good ......In the words og the legendary physician .ITS ALL A LOAD OF BOLLOX .
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We are on the road to nowhere': Are electric cars and chargers enough to cut our transport emissions?
Transport is a huge contributor to Ireland’s global emissions and tackling them is a major challenge.
Aug 29th 2019, 7:30 AM 17,829 Views 92 Comments Share40 Tweet Email2
Image: Shutterstock/Scharfsinn
Every morning this week, TheJournal.ie will publish an article on the international climate crisis and what it means for Ireland.
Is the country doing its part in the battle against global warming? And what effects will the efforts to reduce our greenhouse gas emissions have on Irish society?
AT THE LAUNCH of its much-anticipated Climate Action Plan in June, Taoiseach Leo Varadkar and associated ministers arrived at Grangegorman in Dublin in a new hybrid Dublin Bus.
The public transport operator received its first three hybrid buses – which run on a mixture of diesel and electricity – in May, and the government took the opportunity to show them off.
“We want to pass our planet on to the next generation in a better condition than we inherited it,” Varadkar tweeted.
But it wasn’t long before the opposition started picking holes in the government’s well-curated arrival.
“I was a little taken today by the Government decamping from one side of the city to the other on one of three diesel hybrid buses which the State owns,” said Fianna Fáil’s climate spokesperson Timmy Dooley.
It’s worth noting that in the last seven or eight months the State has bought 200 dirty diesel buses and today there is an effort to show that great green image.
Dooley was referring to purchases made by the National Transport Authority of buses over the past year.
Fast forward to earlier this week, and Transport Minister Shane Ross tweeted an image of himself charging his electric car at a charge point in Marlay Park in south Dublin.
“Who said there is a shortage of chargers for electric vehicles?” Minister Ross asked.
Look at what I found in sunny Marlay Park this morning!
Ross later deleted the tweet when it was pointed out to him that the charger in question had been installed in May, but had yet to be switched on. Ross later issued a clarification saying he had “jumped the gun” and that the charger was due to be switched on in the coming weeks.
Both incidents served to highlight the contrast between being seen to do something about Ireland’s environmental issues, and putting forward the policy and legislative changes needed to reduce the country’s emissions.
Transport
The transport sector in Ireland is one the largest contributors to climate warming greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions in the country.
According to the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), in 2017 just under 20% of Ireland’s GHG emissions came from the transport sector, making it the second largest contributor (behind agriculture).
The biggest emitter in terms of transport is the private car, with over half of all our emissions coming from cars.
After that, the main contributors are:
Road freight (trucks and buses transporting goods) which accounts for about 20%;
Light goods vehicles (8%)
Buses and taxis make up 3% of total transport emissions, while rail travel makes up 1%.
Getting around by car
Transport in Ireland is dominated by the private car, with experts pointing towards unsustainable planning patterns and investment in road networks rather than public transport as the main reasons for this.
“[Ireland] is on record as having the worst sprawl in Europe,” said David O’Connor of TU Dublin’s (formerly DIT) Environment and Planning department.
O’Connor said this makes it hard to implement proper public transport solutions.
People become car dependent and that has all sorts of knock-on effects for health, for socialising, but also the economy because it means people are stuck in traffic.
According to the transport department, there were 2.7 million vehicles on Irish roads at the end of last year, and 2.1 million of these were private cars. The number of cars in Ireland has more than trebled since the early 1980s, when the country’s first motorway was built.
Of all the vehicles on Irish roads last year, 62% operated on diesel fuel while 36% operated on petrol, giving a total of 98%.
Ireland imports 100% of these fuels, and burning of them to power vehicles is the main cause of the country’s transport GHG emissions.
As well as this, the pollution from large amounts of car traffic causes issues around public health and the economy. A report earlier this year found that Dublin has one of the worst traffic congestion problems in Europe.
Electric vehicles
Electric vehicles are cars powered either entirely or in part from electricity, which significantly reduces the GHG emissions.
They can either be fully electric, in which case they need to be charged in order to operate, or they can be hybrid cars – powered in part by a battery and by petrol or diesel.
In its Climate Action Plan, the government puts a large focus on getting people to switch to electric cars in order to reduce emissions from transport.
One of the key actions of the plan is to:
Accelerate the take up of EV (electric vehicle) cars and vans so that we reach 100% of all new cars and vans being EVs by 2030.
The plan sets a target of 950,000 electric vehicles on Irish roads by 2030.
According to the plan, this would mean that about one-third of all vehicles sold during the decade will be Battery Electric Vehicles (BEV) or Plug-in Hybrid Electric Vehicle (PHEV).
BEVs are fully electric and need to be charged either at home or at a designated charge point, while PHEVs can be charged either through an external source or by its engine.
The goal of 950,000 electric vehicles on Irish roads by 2030 is seen by experts as a big, if not impossible, challenge. Last year there were just 4,825 electric vehicles on Irish roads – just 0.18% of the total.
Sales of hybrid and electric cars have jumped significantly recently, going up by 68.5% so far this year, but are still a big distance from reaching 2030′s target.
“There is an interesting question whether their EV target is realistic,” said Sadhbh O’Neill, a UCD lecturer in environmental politics and a policy advisor.
On the one hand – based on what’s being sold at the moment… to get to 950,000 seems absolutely ridiculous.
However, O’Neill said that it could be the case that sales of EVs increase hugely over the next few years, and that “in one or two fleets you change the whole technology”.
“But you’d be putting a lot of faith in it,” she said.
Carrot and stick
To encourage uptake of EVs, the government is taking a carrot and stick approach, with incentives and grants on the one hand, and increased taxes on the other.
People looking to buy an electric car can get a grant of up to €5,000 towards the cost, while those who own such a vehicle pay the lowest motor tax rate.
As things stand, it is also free to charge an EV at designated ESB charge points, but this is set to change in the coming months, with the ESB to announce the cost of charging in September.
Even with this, experts point to significant barriers still in the uptake of electric vehicles, including the initial cost of buying and the lack of dedicated chargers across the country.
At the other end there has been much talk and focus on increasing a carbon tax in the coming years. There is currently a tax on carbon at €20 per tonne, which adds to the cost of petrol, diesel and other fossil fuels.
The aim of the tax is to drive people away from fossil fuels and towards more renewable forms of energy. The government had planned to increase the tax in last year’s budget, but later decided against it.
In its annual review this year, the Climate Change Advisory Council - which advises the government - recommended that the tax be raised to €35 a tonne in next year’s budget, and is raised to “at least €80 per tonne” by 2030.
“The revenue raised should be used to ensure a just transition to a low-carbon, climate-resilient and sustainable economy and society, protecting those on low incomes,” the council said.
In its final report, the Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action also recommended raising it to €80 per tonne, while environmentalists all agree it should be increased.
A commitment to increase the tax is also set out in the government’s Climate Action Plan, but with no detail on how the target can be achieved.
The government has been reluctant to raise the tax, but there are indications that the first rise towards that €80 target will be in this year’s budget.
Fianna Fáil, the Labour Party and the Social Democrats all agree in principle to the carbon tax being raised (but with the proceeds going towards assisting people in making the transition to a low carbon lifestyle)
Sinn Féin and further left-wing parties like Solidarity-PBP don’t support the tax being implemented.
On top of all this, the Department of Expenditure and Reform earlier this month issued a warning to government that increasing numbers of electric vehicles “could pose a substantial risk to the stability of the State’s finances”.
The department warned that the growth projection of electric vehicles will result in €1.5 billion less revenue from motor tax, VAT and fuel oil tax between now and 2030.
Public transport
While much of the government’s plan focuses switching to EVs, experts warn that this will not be enough to curb our emissions.
“I think importantly we really need to look at our transport habits and shift away from fossil-fuel based transport to things like cycling and walking where that’s possible,” said Jim Scheer, head of Policy Insights and Design at the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland (SEAI).
And then look into public transport to cut down on car numbers.
Scheer said that changing technology was important, but that “the activity variable is one that we talk less about and is as important if not more”.
By this he means changing people’s habits away from driving cars.
This need to shift away from private vehicles and towards better public transport options is one echoed by environmentalists and members of the opposition.
Ireland – along with every other EU nation – submitted draft National Energy and Climate Plans (NECPs) to the European Commision last year, outlining how it will cut GHG emissions in line with 2030 targets.
The final version of these plans has to be submitted by the end of this year.
European NGO Transport and Environment analysed these plans earlier this year, and found that Ireland’s plan was insufficient in terms of the transport sector.
While a projected phasing out of diesel and petrol cars was welcomed, the NGO said, the country fell down in terms of its lack of detail on new public transport projects.
“We are on the road to nowhere,” Green Party leader Eamon Ryan said earlier this year.
Not a single public transport project is under construction at the moment or due to start anytime soon. At the same time over 50 national roads are either being built or due to start soon.
Ryan pointed out that the National Development Plan launched by government last year, set out €10.2 billion being allocated to roads projects which outnumbered the amounts put forward for public transport.
D4WXeanW4AA4utFRoad projects underway or due to start in the coming years.
For environmentalists and planning experts, far more investment is needed in proper public transport options in order to lower our transport emissions.
“For Ireland to achieve its climate change targets, to build a decent quality of life and to maintain an acceptable standard of living for everyone there’s no doubt that we need to invest in well-planned public transport networks,” said David O’Connor of TU Dublin.
Road to the future
UCD lecturer Sadhbh O’Neill sees the investment in roads as running counter to ensuring a sustainable future for the country and the transport sector.
“Once we sink our resources into roads, that determines everything. It determines the spatial planning policies, it determines where businesses are going to go, where the developers are going to build the houses,” she said.
It determines everything. It will set out all the problems we are going to be left with for the next 100 years.
O’Neill lives in Kilkenny town, an urban area with a population of about 27,000 people.
“The town is choked with traffic,” she said.
“We are a Medieval town with huge numbers of tourists… and there are people spilling out onto the streets because the footpaths are so narrow.
The cars are lined up all the way from one end of the town to the other and it’s a constant traffic jam.
O’Neill said that the town had been waiting for three years for a pilot urban bus scheme that still hadn’t arrived.
“You would think at this stage that we’d be rolling out schemes like that… in every single urban area that has a population of a similar size or even smaller,” she said.
But even in urban areas people are relying on cars because they don’t have other options.
With reporting from Christina Finn
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I'm not reading all that Ermy.If ya don't want 20K off the NTA that's fair enough.
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No such thing as new dirty diesel buses or cars anymore.
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Electric vehicles
Electric vehicles are cars powered either entirely or in part from electricity, which significantly reduces the GHG emissions.
They can either be fully electric, in which case they need to be charged in order to operate, or they can be hybrid cars – powered in part by a battery and by petrol or diesel.
NNYBODY USE PETROL OR DIESEL TO POWER THEIR ELECTRIC KETTLE OR OVEN I think I read somewhere that there were only 450 of the New Nissan Leafs alocated to the Irish narket this year .Paddy power might give you odds on which you will get first an EV or a Vaccine .Government want us all to have Cars that are not yet in production .Most of the big manufacturers dont yet make eVs and the Fucktards at Tesla with the field to themselves anf hundreds of billions of Dollars cant keep up with demand .Its all A BOTTLE OF SMOKE .
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I'm not reading all that Ermy.If ya don't want 20K off the NTA that's fair enough.
Did you ring around the Dealers ans see if the Motor you want is available or how long the waiting list is .
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That's complete bollox John.If you don't want 20K off the NTA start another thread.Your opinion won't change whether I get 20k or not.When was the last time you got the opportunity to take money off the NTA?
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I'm not reading all that Ermy.If ya don't want 20K off the NTA that's fair enough.
Did you ring around the Dealers ans see if the Motor you want is available or how long the waiting list is .
I'm gonna be on the sofa until September...no rush.
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That's complete bollox John.If you don't want 20K off the NTA start another thread.Your opinion won't change whether I get 20k or not.When was the last time you got the opportunity to take money off the NTA?
You take what you want i really couldnt give a fuck about you or what you get .If anybody has an opinion different to you their wrong .
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https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/motors/the-irish-times-guide-to-new-electric-cars-for-2020-and-2021-1.4285450 (https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/motors/the-irish-times-guide-to-new-electric-cars-for-2020-and-2021-1.4285450) Full list of whats available and price .
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At least I'm open to accepting another opinion John.Every day you're on here complaining about the government but there's never been a time when they were so accommodating to taxi drivers.If you don't want 20K off the NTA that's fine.Mind your own business.Let us know how you get on with your court case against the insurance industry.Fukking dope.:-)
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The proposed programme for government states an intention to copper-fasten, with legislation, the proposal to ban sales of all petrol- and diesel-engined cars by 2030, creating an electric-only market. Dealers, importers, and carmakers are crying foul – saying that 2040 is a much more realistic date, but the road to a fully EV market starts here. This is where you’ll find our pick of the best current (no pun intended) models, and a look ahead to some of the major new battery-powered cars coming down the road in the next six to 12 months.
Audi e-Tron
Price €74,990-€99,810
Range 436-446km
Verdict Audi’s big all-electric SUV sure isn’t cheap, but once you’re on board you see why. The cabin is beautifully built, and performance (both in terms of range and acceleration) is impressive. Sleeker Sportback and sportier S models are on the way soon.
BMW i3
Price €37,155-€40,495
Range 309km
Verdict The styling is polarising and things such as the infotainment system haven’t kept pace with the times, but the i3 is still a hugely impressive electric car. Latest 120ah battery has inter-city range, and it’s actually good fun to drive. Four seats only, though.
BMW iX3
BMW iX3
BMW iX3
Price TBA
Range 401km
Verdict BMW’s first all-electric SUV takes the basic bodywork of the existing X3 and adds battery power and a nose-job. Range should be impressive, but will we be able to get along with the front-end styling?
Citroen e-C4
Citroen e-C4
Citroen e-C4
Price TBA
Range TBA
Verdict Citroen replaces the Cactus with this fastback hatch that also, kind of, wants to be a crossover. We’re waiting on technical details, but the cabin looks nice and we like that the fastback styling reminds us of the 1970 Citroen GS.
Citroen e-Spacetourer
Citroen e-Spacetourer
Citroen e-SpaceTourer
Price TBA
Range 230km
Verdict Battery version of Citroen’s rather pleasant van-based MPV. Masses of space, but small 50kWh battery means range is compromised.
Fiat 500e
Fiat 500e
Fiat 500e
Price TBA
Range 320km
Verdict It looks the same as the 2007 500 (give or take) but the 500e is actually new under the skin. The cabin is roomier, and better built, and it has much better one-charge range than its Honda and Mini rivals. Will Irish buyers still be drawn to the Fiat brand, though?
Ford Mustang Mach-E
Ford Mustang Mach-E
Ford Mustang Mach-E
Price About €50,000 (TBC)
Range 433-596km
Verdict Ford has been in the doldrums of late but this Tesla-rivalling electric crossover could spark a Blue Oval renaissance.
Honda E
Honda E
Honda e
Price TBA
Range 222km
Verdict We utterly love the looks, inside and out, but it won’t be cheap and it won’t go as far on a charge as you’d like it to. is Ireland ready for a premium-priced, urban-only, electric car?
Hyundai Ioniq
Hyundai Ioniq
Hyundai Ioniq
Price €34,850
Range 312km
Verdict Looks rather similar to the outgoing version, but a bigger battery has given the sensible-shoes Ioniq much improved range, and it remains a reliably rational choice.
Hyundai Kona
Hyundai Kona
Hyundai Kona
Price €38,630-€41,230
Range 449km
Verdict Already a big-seller in Ireland and you can see why. It’s not cheap, but the electric Kona offers more one-charge range (and it’s a reliable, useable range) that beats luxury models costing multiples of the price. Our only quibble is a slightly cheap-feeling cabin.
Jaguar i-Pace
Jaguar i-Pace
Jaguar I-Pace
Price €92,895-€109,285
Range 480km
Verdict Jaguar stole a march on most rivals by getting the I-Pace to the market before the likes of Audi, Mercedes, and BMW, and it remains a hugely impressive car. Range is a little shorter, overall, than you’d like but it’s exceptionally good to drive, and better looking than its German competition.
Kia e-Niro
Kia e-Niro
Kia e-Niro
Price €39,495
Range 455km
Verdict Kia’s e-Niro (and, please, ignore the awful adverts featuring Robert DeNiro) combines very long range with a roomy and comfortable cabin, and a decent boot. It’s a bit pricey, maybe, but it makes rivals such as the Nissan Leaf feel distinctly old-fashioned and short-ranged.
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Kia e-Soul
Kia e-Soul
Kia e-Soul
Price €31,995-€37,995
Range 452km
Verdict Get the e-Soul in white and it looks, from the front, like a Star Wars stormtrooper. If that’s not enough for you, then check out the long (and reliable) range, and the cabin that looks and feels a little nicer than that of its Hyundai Kona cousin.
Lexus UX 300e
Lexus UX 300e
Lexus UX300e
Price TBA
Range 300km
Verdict The UX300e won’t hit Irish dealerships until later this year, but if it can mix a decent one-charge range with the impressive cabin and handling of the hybrid UX250h, then it could be winner.
Mazda MX-30
Price €32,295
Range 210km
Verdict Mazda’s taking a gamble that what we want is an EV with very high quality, a sharp driving experience, a reasonable price, but short range. That’s a big bet, especially when the public charging network is still in its infancy. A likable car, but will it sell?
Mercedes EQC
Mercedes EQC
Mercedes-Benz EQC
Price €89,450-€105,882
Range 417km
Verdict The EQC has imposing, quasi-futuristic styling and feels both rapid and luxurious, but it’s a little compromised by using the chassis from the diesel GLC SUV, and the driving position is unexpectedly awkward.
Mercedes EQV
Mercedes EQV
Mercedes-Benz EQV
Price TBA
Range 405km
Verdict Is it wrong to be quite so excited about a converted van full of batteries? Well, perhaps, but we’re still looking forward to trying Merc’s big, electric, MPV. We love the existing V-Class as a classy, understated way to get around, which bodes well.
Mercedes EQS
Mercedes EQS
Mercdes-Benz EQS
Price TBA
Range 700km (approx)
Verdict Mercedes is on the cusp of revealing this, the EQS, which with its gargantuan range and S-Class luxury levels could be a major game changer for electric cars in general.
Mini Cooper SE
Mini Cooper SE
Mini Cooper S E
Price €36,890-€44,820
Range 233km
Verdict Mini takes the existing Cooper S hatch and bungs in an electric powertrain. Lots of fun but range is compromised.
Nissan Leaf
Nissan Leaf
Nissan Leaf
Price €29,890-€40,500
Range 270-385km
Verdict The one that started it all, but the Leaf is not ageing well. Expensive new 62kWh ‘big battery’ version is not worth the extra, given how short-ranged it is, but the basic 40kWh version is still a decent choice. Cabin looks and feels very old-fashioned though.
Nissan Evalia
Nissan Evalia
Nissan Evalia
Price €42,400
Range 200km
Verdict Seven seats meets electric power in Nissan’s EV van. Arguably for taxi-drivers only but a decent (if short-range) choice for big families looking to go electric.
Opel Corsa-e
Opel Corsa-e
Opel Corsa-e
Price €27,338
Range 336km
Verdict Arguably, the Corsa-e is the most mainstream electric car yet – its quiet styling and decent performance make it seem an ideal EV choice for those of a conservative bent.
Peugeot e-208
Peugeot e-208
Peugeot e-208
Price €27,334-€32,980
Range 350km
Verdict Mechanically the same as the Corsa-e, the e-208 steps in front of its German cousin by being sharper to look at, and having a really gorgeous cabin. Yes, it’s pricey for a small car and space in the back isn’t great, but as far as electric cars go, this might just be our favourite right now.
Peugeot e-2008
Price TBA
Range 310km
Verdict We’re waiting to try the electric 2008, but a car with the basic appeal of the smaller e-208, just with more space inside, sounds like a good idea to us.
Peugeot e-Traveller
Peugeot e-Traveller
Peugeot e-Traveller
Price TBA
Range 230-330km
Verdict Peugeot’s roomy MPV pulls one out over its Citroen in-house rival by using an optional 75kWh battery that gives it much better range.
Porsche Taycan
Porsche Taycan
Porsche Taycan
Price €115,375-€192,197
Range 388-412km
Verdict Earth-shattering speed with Earth-saving tech. We always said that Tesla would, having kicked off the electric car revolution, have to start looking over its shoulder as others caught up. That time is now.
Renault Zoe
Renault Zoe
Renault Zoe ZE 50
Price €26,990-€31,990
Range 395km
Verdict Renault’s Zoe, having once had the small electric car market to itself, now has fierce competition from Peugeot and Opel, with more on the way. This new model hits back hard with lengthy one-charge range and a much-improved cabin. The more expensive R135 is the better buy is you like an electric surge.
Skoda Enyaq
Skoda Enyaq
Skoda Enyaq
Price €50,000 (approx, TBA)
Range 340-460km
Verdict Skoda’s first EV is this chunky crossover which feels impressively solid and sure-footed on the road. As well it might do, thanks to intensive prototype testing on Irish tarmac. It’s the closest we’ll get to a home-grown EV hero, but it won’t be cheap.
Tesla Model 3
Tesla Model 3
Tesla Model 3
Price €48,900-€64,490
Range 409-560km
Verdict In some ways, the Tesla Model 3 is the most impressive electric car around at the moment. It’s fast, it’s good fun to drive, and it’s well-priced relative to conventional rivals. However, there are still grating quality glitches, and Tesla’s habit of over-promising and under-delivering doesn’t help matters.
Tesla Model Y
Tesla Model Y
Tesla Model Y
Price TBA
Range 389-541km
Verdict All of the 3’s vices and virtues, but with seven-seats and a bigger boot. The Californian carmaker has already hit snags getting the Y into full production, so we may have to wait a while yet, but given how popular the 3 is, would you bet against a glut of these on Irish roads this time next year?
Tesla Model S
Tesla Model S
Tesla Model S
Price €84,990-€100,990
Range 593-610km
Verdict Tesla’s original rule breaker. Amazing batteries and performance, but too many cheap bits and pieces still to be found in the cabin. That’s bad enough on the Model 3, but in a car priced against the Mercedes S-Class, it’s unforgivable. Still, it’s a tempting vehicle and Tesla is working on longer-range and higher-performance versions as we write.
Tesla Model X
Tesla Model X
Tesla Model X
Price €90,990-€106,990
Range 487-507km
Verdict A car dominated by its dramatic doors, the Model X is the electric car that brings the kid out in you – the gullwing rear doors, the built-in games on the touchscreen, and the fart-noise whoopee cushion function. It’s a serious car too – seriously impressive range, seriously impressive performance, and seriously impressive Supercharger charging points. Again, though, there are still niggling quality issues that should have been ironed out by now.
Volkswagen ID.3
Volkswagen ID.3
Volkswagen ID.3
Price €33,000-€50,000 (approx)
Range 330-420km
Verdict The most important new VW since the Beetle? It sure could be, if that is VW can actually get it on sale on time this summer as promised. Much-publicised software glitches are proving a major headache, and only the most expensive models will be arriving at first, but once the ID.3 comes fully on stream, it could change public perceptions and attitudes to electric cars in a dramatic fashion.
Volkswagen ID.4
Volkswagen ID.4
Volkswagen ID.4
Price TBA
Range 480km (approx)
Verdict VW expands the electric ID range with this Tiguan-sized crossover which looks, judging from the concept versions we’ve seen so far, much more desirable than the slightly-too soft-edged ID.3. Given how well the Tiguan sells, expect this to be a hugely popular car once it arrives next year.
Volkswagen ID.5
Volkswagen ID.5
Volkswagen ID.5
Price TBA
Range 590km (approx)
Verdict So far, all we’ve seen of the third pillar of the Volkswagen ID electric car range is a concept called the ID. Space Vizzion, but this big, Passat-sized, estate looked almost production-ready and VW says it will be on sale by late 2021. Expect a big 82kWh battery pack and a Tesla-beating one-charge range.
Volvo XC40
Volvo XC40
Volvo XC40 P8 Recharge
Price TBA
Range 400km
Verdict Volvo is aiming its new all-electric XC40 right at Tesla, and has benchmarked the P8’s battery and one-charge range directly against the big-selling Model 3. The Recharge name will eventually be used on all of Volvo’s electric and plugin-hybrid models.
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I don't know what I'm supposed to be looking at here?
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Only a handful...if even....suitable or more importantly allowed by the NTA....and then given the prohibitive price and range of some of them.
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I think John is looking for a reacton or some sort.
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Chemical?....light the blue touch paper and stand back!! lol
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Just spoke to salesman in windsor bray about the 62kw leaf.
The RRP list price on the nissan website for the 62kw is €38,600 net of vrt relief and the SEAI grant which they process on customers behalf.
So may be able to get the NTA grant as well. I read through the egrant terms and conditions and saw nothing that says otherwise unless I missed it.
https://www.nissan.ie/vehicles/offers/power-of-zero-finance.html?gclid=Cj0KCQiA34OBBhCcARIsAG32uvNW0ulazQ1lrPwVPdNSR1aBeNORgKXV7xxKba9SfdmrRJVJu0GRtlMaAq59EALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds (https://www.nissan.ie/vehicles/offers/power-of-zero-finance.html?gclid=Cj0KCQiA34OBBhCcARIsAG32uvNW0ulazQ1lrPwVPdNSR1aBeNORgKXV7xxKba9SfdmrRJVJu0GRtlMaAq59EALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds)
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We should all be driving the KIA DE NIRO! 8)
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Just spoke to salesman in windsor bray about the 62kw leaf.
The RRP list price on the nissan website for the 62kw is €38,600 net of vrt relief and the SEAI grant which they process on customers behalf.
So may be able to get the NTA grant as well. I read through the egrant terms and conditions and saw nothing that says otherwise unless I missed it.
https://www.nissan.ie/vehicles/offers/power-of-zero-finance.html?gclid=Cj0KCQiA34OBBhCcARIsAG32uvNW0ulazQ1lrPwVPdNSR1aBeNORgKXV7xxKba9SfdmrRJVJu0GRtlMaAq59EALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds (https://www.nissan.ie/vehicles/offers/power-of-zero-finance.html?gclid=Cj0KCQiA34OBBhCcARIsAG32uvNW0ulazQ1lrPwVPdNSR1aBeNORgKXV7xxKba9SfdmrRJVJu0GRtlMaAq59EALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds)
T&C No 2 Cannot be used in conjunction with any other consumer offer ?
First service free is provided by the dealership that the vehicle was purchased from. How much is a standard Service and how often ? Do you negate the warranty if you dont stick to the service timetable .?
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T&C No 2 Cannot be used in conjunction with any other consumer offer ?
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John come on! Nissan's own terms and conditions has no sway or relationship to the state grants. Even if it did, (it definitely doesn't) the NTA grants are not consumer related.
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I'm not reading all that Ermy.If ya don't want 20K off the NTA that's fair enough.
Did you ring around the Dealers ans see if the Motor you want is available or how long the waiting list is .
Leafs are readily available according to the dealer I spoke to in Windsor Bray.
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Just spoke to NTA and there is nothing in pipeline for the previous WAV grants. May happen in second half of year.
Probably waiting to see what the take up is with eGrants.
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At those prices you'd still need to be putting 20k+ of your own hard earned to get one.
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At those prices you'd still need to be putting 20k+ of your own hard earned to get one.
Agree and think it might be best to wait and see how it pans out over next few months
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At those prices you'd still need to be putting 20k+ of your own hard earned to get one.
Everything costs more ..https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/0208/1195704-uk-car-imports/ (https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/0208/1195704-uk-car-imports/)
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At those prices you'd still need to be putting 20k+ of your own hard earned to get one.
Agree and think it might be best to wait and see how it pans out over next few months
Absolutely, when i have to change next year it's probably gonna cost me 9-10k to replace my current 2011 Prius for a similar 2015/2016 Prius which will only get me 3-4 years whereas if i financed 10k+ the10k which i've already saved, i could get a Leaf that could (possibly) get me 10yrs,
If the car lasted that long it would bring me up to 67 yrs young....be time to move to Lanzarote then!!
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Just spoke to NTA and there is nothing in pipeline for the previous WAV grants. May happen in second half of year.
Probably waiting to see what the take up is with eGrants.
Sort of Counterproductive to offer a Grant to import a part worn Diesel WAV and at the same time offer a Grant for the same electric vehicle .Looks like the Dirty diesel import grant might be gone .
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A new barrier :
https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/0208/1195704-uk-car-imports/ (https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/0208/1195704-uk-car-imports/)
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A very productive day there U-Wha!! lol
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At those prices you'd still need to be putting 20k+ of your own hard earned to get one.
Agree and think it might be best to wait and see how it pans out over next few months
Absolutely, when i have to change next year it's probably gonna cost me 9-10k to replace my current 2011 Prius for a similar 2015/2016 Prius which will only get me 3-4 years whereas if i financed 10k+ the10k which i've already saved, i could get a Leaf that could (possibly) get me 10yrs,
If the car lasted that long it would bring me up to 67 yrs young....be time to move to Lanzarote then!!
Could you get something with enough range for 20K What are you 120 km round trip in and out ?
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It's not illegal what I'm thinking AFAIK.The prices listed on all the car dealer sites are for a private customer who can avail of the 5000 SEAI grant that's due to expire this year.Taxis are no longer allowed to get it.
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The bigger 62kw leaf isnt listed on the NTA or eligible vehicles and isn't on the SEAI list either. Probably would be acceptable but best to check first.
It is
https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/eSPSV-2021-Grant-Scheme-Eligible-Vehicles.pdf (https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/eSPSV-2021-Grant-Scheme-Eligible-Vehicles.pdf)
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It is
https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/eSPSV-2021-Grant-Scheme-Eligible-Vehicles.pdf (https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/eSPSV-2021-Grant-Scheme-Eligible-Vehicles.pdf)
Not much choice. The Renault Zoe is on that list. Looks tiny!
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/Renault_Zoe_R110_Z.E._50_Experience_%28Facelift%29_%E2%80%93_f_22112020.jpg/280px-Renault_Zoe_R110_Z.E._50_Experience_%28Facelift%29_%E2%80%93_f_22112020.jpg)
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With Global warming making things colder .Are these cars Front or rear wheel or 4 wheel drive make a difference in the Snow .
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It is
https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/eSPSV-2021-Grant-Scheme-Eligible-Vehicles.pdf (https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/eSPSV-2021-Grant-Scheme-Eligible-Vehicles.pdf)
Not much choice. The Renault Zoe is on that list. Looks tiny!
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/Renault_Zoe_R110_Z.E._50_Experience_%28Facelift%29_%E2%80%93_f_22112020.jpg/280px-Renault_Zoe_R110_Z.E._50_Experience_%28Facelift%29_%E2%80%93_f_22112020.jpg)
I L'dOL.
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A new barrier :
https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/0208/1195704-uk-car-imports/ (https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/0208/1195704-uk-car-imports/)
just want to be properly informed so hopefully I make right decisions. lol
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It's not illegal what I'm thinking AFAIK.The prices listed on all the car dealer sites are for a private customer who can avail of the 5000 SEAI grant that's due to expire this year.Taxis are no longer allowed to get it.
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The bigger 62kw leaf isnt listed on the NTA or eligible vehicles and isn't on the SEAI list either. Probably would be acceptable but best to check first.
It is
https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/eSPSV-2021-Grant-Scheme-Eligible-Vehicles.pdf (https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/eSPSV-2021-Grant-Scheme-Eligible-Vehicles.pdf)
Ah good!
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Kia e-Niro looks ok....and the range is decent.
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The biggest reason to buy the Kia would be the liquid-cooled battery for longevity.It's a little ugly IMO and more expensive.
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The biggest reason to buy the Kia would be the liquid-cooled battery for longevity.It's a little ugly IMO and more expensive.
More expensive than the Leaf?....doesn't seem to be.
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I think it was getting a premium over the leaf a while back Hal.Maybe not anymore.
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In comparison to the equal 62kw battery it's not really.
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I'm trying to remember but I'm thinking the there was only one mid spec Niro 64kw in the beginning that was the same price as the fully kitted out leaf 62.Nissan included full leather in the top spec but the equivalent Niro has only half leather for the same price.Back then there was a waiting list.Dunno about now.
That top spec leaf has auto pilot.Probably doesn't need us at all.
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On a day like today where you need the heating on .What % of your battery would be required for heating and what impact would that have on range ?
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Who cares John you certainly won't be driving one.
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Manufacturer blurb and real world data are generally a good bit apart...although you can set the heating to come on in the morning on a Leaf while it's still on a charge before you head off.
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It's safe to say anyone who interested in buying an electric car has already done their research.All these stupid questions John keeps asking have been answered multiple times in previous threads.
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It's safe to say anyone who interested in buying an electric car has already done their research.All these stupid questions John keeps asking have been answered multiple times in previous threads.
For Ermy: https://apnews.com/article/04029bd1e0a94cd59ff9540a398c12d1
No charge!
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It's safe to say anyone who interested in buying an electric car has already done their research.All these stupid questions John keeps asking have been answered multiple times in previous threads.
For Ermy: https://apnews.com/article/04029bd1e0a94cd59ff9540a398c12d1
No charge!
Thank you Silver that is the exact information I and Im sure many other Drivers were looking for .Very considerate of you to share .Once again Thank You for your help .
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It's safe to say anyone who interested in buying an electric car has already done their research.All these stupid questions John keeps asking have been answered multiple times in previous threads.
For Ermy: https://apnews.com/article/04029bd1e0a94cd59ff9540a398c12d1
No charge!
Thank you Silver that is the exact information I and Im sure many other Drivers were looking for .Very considerate of you to share .Once again Thank You for your help .
You could write articles on EV's and perhaps call it The daily LEAF Blower! 8)
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How much of your battery power would be used moving multiple times on a rank from a dead weight to forward momentum ?
https://easyelectriclife.groupe.renault.com/en/day-to-day/range/range-of-an-electric-car-everything-you-need-to-know/
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Called in to my local Kia dealer.....e-Niro is €39,995.....that's with the 5k SEAI grant included,he said for business it's 45k!!!
There was a supply issue a while back but there's 300 being shipped at the mo.
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I wonder are they selling the cheaper smaller battery one or are the ones I'm seeing on the net UK imports?
I believe the kia is more effiecient than the Leaf.But a little noisier on the road.White ones are nice.
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Didn't ask Merc....supposed to make an appointment but i just called in,picked up a brochure....the brochure he gave me says it's got a 455km range.
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Think some of you lads already have this cracked the Prius Hybrid looks the best car for the job .
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Think some of you lads already have this cracked the Prius Hybrid looks the best car for the job .
True John...mine uses fukall juice...cos it's sitting in the driveway this last while.
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Hal bought a Prius back in 2006.This is the next stage of vehicle development.Like it or not we will be forced to buy them at some point.
The maths add up.Even If I have to pay let's say 15/20k on top of the NTA grant over 5 years the fuel savings and vehicle cost will cover the outlay.Over 8/10 years we'd be saving a significant amount.
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Think some of you lads already have this cracked the Prius Hybrid looks the best car for the job .
True John...mine uses fukall juice...cos it's sitting in the driveway this last while.
Is there a few quid grant if you buy hybrid ?To many questions about all electric to pony us serious cash .
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Are London Cabs 100% electric or hybrids ?
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Hybrids and fully electric taxis are the way of the future, however I can’t see the justification in spending more than a price of a 9.5 year old heep to stay in the game.
Wait until we know the fallout of the lockdown/pandemic/recession/Brexit, before spending a red cent.
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I suppose the lads who are serious about getting a new car have access to cash or loans.To get the 20k off the NTA you need to borrow or have the full price of the car already.At least 33/40k.
I think the NTA send the money after it's plated up.Not many would be eligible for a loan that size.
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Are London Cabs 100% electric or hybrids ?
Plug in Hybrid......129kms on a charge....600kms in total....don't know what the engine is.
As there's no grant for PHEV the London taxi is no use and they're fukin expensive...60k.
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I suppose the lads who are serious about getting a new car have access to cash or loans.To get the 20k off the NTA you need to borrow or have the full price of the car already.At least 33/40k.
I think the NTA send the money after it's plated up.Not many would be eligible for a loan that size.
I was wondering the same. Not many can pony up €30-40k in this environment and hope they'll get some of it back later on.
The application notes say not to buy the car before you get the grant. So maybe the grant is a cheque of sorts and you go in with your 'cash' and your grant letter. And once the money clears, the garage releases the car to you?
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Maybe Watty, I think in the application form it says payment will be within 20 working days.I assumed we'd need a bridging loan of some sort.
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When i spoke to the Nissan lad last year,he did say they stock clear glass for the rear passenger doors to pass suitability....don't know whether Kia do the same.
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Maybe Watty, I think in the application form it says payment will be within 20 working days.I assumed we'd need a bridging loan of some sort.
Maybe you could bring the grant approval letter to the bank/lender.
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I wonder if the covid payment will be counted on as a regular income for the purposes of getting a loan..
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I wonder if the covid payment will be counted on as a regular income for the purposes of getting a loan..
Be a reason to refuse it!! lol
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VAT is to go back up to 23 pc from the end of next month, Finance Minister Paschal Donohoe has announced.
In a blow to consumers and retailers alike, the effective hike — from the current rate of 21pc — will hit about half of all retail and other transactions in the State.
It means would-be purchasers of expensive items, such as a new car, have about seven weeks left to take advantage of the continuing lower rate.
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Saw this 20 min video on youtube. It's an Oct 2020 review of the 40kwh Leaf as a taxi. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW0Rk7HKdfo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW0Rk7HKdfo)
Irish taxi driver (T12353) imported a 2018 40kwh Leaf into Ireland. He does 50km a year & he's up to 100k km (Oct 2020). Battery degradation was approx 8% and he reckoned he'd get another(?) 4 or 5 years out of it.
Car was fine at lower speeds in town but terrible on the motorway. Big enough for 3 in the back and boot was fine for airport luggage. Didn't mention battery life during winter.
Lives in Greystones and works Sth Dublin 'and the airport'. When going home, he'd stop in Bray and charge to 80% when charger was free and then do the final 20% overnight at his house. Now he just drives straight home 'cause Bray charger costs and it's cheaper to charge to 100% at home.
Interesting video. He seems to get by using a 40kwh battery.
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I think yer man logs in here sometimes.He used to drive a Superb estate with Metalica stickers on the back.He drives like an absolute tool.
Anyway my reasoning for the bigger leaf is it's another 7k and in the event of any further degradation of the battery I wouldn't be caught out.I would be keeping it for at least 5 years if not the full 10.Losing 8% is a lot.Especially if it keeps losing smaller amounts over the years after that.
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Think some of you lads already have this cracked the Prius Hybrid looks the best car for the job .
True John...mine uses fukall juice...cos it's sitting in the driveway this last while.
Is there a few quid grant if you buy hybrid ?To many questions about all electric to pony us serious cash .
No grant for the hybirds from what I can see,so a new bigger leaf is going to be about 41300K before grants?
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S Mc Carten who was on here bought one .He might tell you how good they are if you PM him
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Did Tim from Hailo not go to Toyota .I wonder would he be up for doing a deal with a taxi driver to drive one for a year and blog how good or bad you find it .Then sell it to you for a few grand .The Publicity could be a gamechanger if they were any good .The ESB sponsored a Taxi car and Van a few years ago they seem to have disappeared the van was last seen on the back of a rescue truck .
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He went to Renault.....if he had
of have gone to Toyota....what car could he have offered?
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Made an enquiry with the NTA regarding eligibility for the eSPSV grant if your licence is inactive...as mine is at present....and the answer is yes you can apply....for those of you interested.
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I suppose the lads who are serious about getting a new car have access to cash or loans.To get the 20k off the NTA you need to borrow or have the full price of the car already.At least 33/40k.
I think the NTA send the money after it's plated up.Not many would be eligible for a loan that size.
I was wondering the same. Not many can pony up €30-40k in this environment and hope they'll get some of it back later on.
The application notes say not to buy the car before you get the grant. So maybe the grant is a cheque of sorts and you go in with your 'cash' and your grant letter. And once the money clears, the garage releases the car to you?
The NTA warn people not to buy the vehicle until the grant is 'approved' because there is no guarantee you will be approved, like for example the closing date passes or the total budget for grants has been issued.
(Don't think that ever happened except in first year).
Once you are 'approved' you can buy or finance the vehicle safely knowing the funds will issue as long as you comply with terms and conditions of the offer. Like approved vehicle, conditional offer, wheelie training etc.
Some of the wheelie motor dealers were clued into the grants and took it off the price and processed the grant directly with NTA. Sort of like a deposit. Not sure how many e-vehicle dealers will be up to speed for a while.
I am in the middle of the process right now for a wheelie grant.
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Made an enquiry with the NTA regarding eligibility for the eSPSV grant if your licence is inactive...as mine is at present....and the answer is yes you can apply....for those of you interested.
Anybody can get the grant for e-vehicles. But the grants are higher for existing spsv licence holders that replace their old vehicles.
The wheelie grant is restricted to 'existing' spsv drivers or vehicle licence holders.
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Anybody can get the grant for e-vehicles. But the grants are higher for existing spsv licence holders that replace their old vehicles.
Which is why i contacted them regarding if a licence is inactive will the licence holder still be eligible,i'd never assume anything with the NTA...they could easily have said that the licence would need to be reactivated before the application would be considered.
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When you say anybody can get the grant for e-vehicles, does that include saloon eSPSVs?
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When you say anybody can get the grant for e-vehicles, does that include saloon eSPSVs?
Yes...but the grant for that is half that of the existing licence holder grant and i think that licence has to be maintained on an eSPSV going forward.
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So, the temporary moratorium on the issue of saloon plates is officially terminated... during a fucking pandemic... and, heading for a new normal to which taxis are wholly unsuited according to many drivers and company bosses?
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The Nissan Leaf base model is 42k and the grant for a new EV licence is 10k,over 30k is a big investment.
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Indeed... a big investment for a small car that is restricted to one passenger (might be 2, can't remember) by Free Now.
Nonetheless, one would still expect the self-appointed drivers' representatives to be making some noise... or do they just agree that Govt/NTA know best?
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Indeed... a big investment for a small car that is restricted to one passenger (might be 2, can't remember) by Free Now.
Nonetheless, one would still expect the self-appointed drivers' representatives to be making some noise... or do they just agree that Govt/NTA know best?
They do unless it's drug-related, in which case they would advocate for leniency on the grounds the guy is separated and living in a shed!
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The Nissan Leaf base model is 42k and the grant for a new EV licence is 10k,over 30k is a big investment.
If you scrap your car you can get 20K.
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The Nissan Leaf base model is 42k and the grant for a new EV licence is 10k,over 30k is a big investment.
If you scrap your car you can get 20K.
I know Marky...that's for existing licence holders only...i'm exploring the idea at the moment,the Kia e-Niro is my choice...but it's 45k,
The only stumbling block at present is having to plate the car up and passed suitability first before the funds are released from the NTA,but as i've said in a previous post you can nominate the bank account from whoever you're buying the car from....i've raised this with both the Nissan and Kia dealers in Drog to see if they're prepared to accept that option.