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Public Area => Taxi Talk => Topic started by: silverbullet on February 09, 2021, 10:53:37 pm
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If you dismiss the evidence of the programme you really need help.
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C'mon Doc!!
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all that bollocks has been going on in hospitals long before this chinee virus and will continue long after.
the government and the media are sucking each others dicks and have created an endless cycle of fear and doom and gloom.
why is not being driven home that there's a 1% death rate, 93% of people were already bunched and the average age of deaths is 84 fuckin years old. I've never seen the likes of a government advocating and facilitating panic when they should be reassuring people about the facts. The cunts can spin a bad story like billy o but they're incapable of the truth when it would actually be practical. when something does'nt make sense, it does'nt make sense.
It's all a loada bollocks.
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actually I have seen a government advocate and facilitate fear and panic instead of the facts back in 2011 I think it was for the fiscal compact treaty referendum. the fucking cunts.
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Unfortunately most people now think that what's on T.V. is real and that stuff happening right in front of them isnt.
Huxley said we would get to this point in Berkley ..he was right !
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all that bollocks has been going on in hospitals long before this chinee virus and will continue long after.
the government and the media are sucking each others dicks and have created an endless cycle of fear and doom and gloom.
why is not being driven home that there's a 1% death rate, 93% of people were already bunched and the average age of deaths is 84 fuckin years old. I've never seen the likes of a government advocating and facilitating panic when they should be reassuring people about the facts. The cunts can spin a bad story like billy o but they're incapable of the truth when it would actually be practical. when something does'nt make sense, it does'nt make sense.
It's all a loada bollocks.
A lone voice shouting at anyone passing by.
Dublin's new Bang - Bang but with a new mantra.
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Bullitt I dont know what is happening I dont dismiss the DOCs chant .My own theory .Is the Colour theory its bollox but logically it makes absolute sense and can be proven .Dunne Stores workers wear Blue No outbreaks in Dunnes Stores .Marks and Sparks wear Green no outbreak in their shops ,Builders wearing Yellow High vis no major outbreaks on Sites .most Schools wear coloured uniforms very little outbreaks in Schools .now look at the use of White uniforms in Hospitals and Slaughterhouses .If we dyed uniforms purple could we cut down on the Virus .
For the Colourists and deciples of Hue .That would sound logical .Dont dismiss what we dont understand .We seem to accept things we dont understand if it comes from supposed reliable sources .
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Bullitt I dont know what is happening I dont dismiss the DOCs chant .My own theory .Is the Colour theory its bollox but logically it makes absolute sense and can be proven .Dunne Stores workers wear Blue No outbreaks in Dunnes Stores .Marks and Sparks wear Green no outbreak in their shops ,Builders wearing Yellow High vis no major outbreaks on Sites .most Schools wear coloured uniforms very little outbreaks in Schools .now look at the use of White uniforms in Hospitals and Slaughterhouses .If we dyed uniforms purple could we cut down on the Virus .
For the Colourists and deciples of Hue .That would sound logical .Dont dismiss what we dont understand .We seem to accept things we dont understand if it comes from supposed reliable sources .
Coloured people are working through the pandemic in Ireland.
Or is that a pigment of my imagination?
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all that bollocks has been going on in hospitals long before this chinee virus and will continue long after.
the government and the media are sucking each others dicks and have created an endless cycle of fear and doom and gloom.
why is not being driven home that there's a 1% death rate, 93% of people were already bunched and the average age of deaths is 84 fuckin years old. I've never seen the likes of a government advocating and facilitating panic when they should be reassuring people about the facts. The cunts can spin a bad story like billy o but they're incapable of the truth when it would actually be practical. when something does'nt make sense, it does'nt make sense.
It's all a loada bollocks.
A lone voice shouting at anyone passing by.
Dublin's new Bang - Bang but with a new mantra.
- 1% death rate
- 93% of the 1% were already riddled with health problems
- average death age is 84 years old
they're the facts.
you're completely brainwashed sonny jim.
people are in a tizzy over nothing.
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- 1% death rate
- 93% of the 1% were already riddled with health problems
- average death age is 84 years old
they're the facts.
you're completely brainwashed sonny jim.
people are in a tizzy over nothing.
Those are not facts.
Fact 1:
There is no one single measure of 'death rate'. The professionals who do this for a living use a multitude of metrics including case fatality rate (CFR) (which is probably nearest to what you're talking about). And that's 1.8% in Ireland at the moment. But the professionals who do this for a living caution that this number changes all the time throughout a pandemic and is kinda useless.
(https://i.ibb.co/8YQfTvn/cfr-1-8.jpg)
(Source: https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid (https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid). CFR rate for Ireland, 22 Jan 2021)
Fact 2:
The professionals who do this for a living talk about median death rates, not averages. There is a difference. The professionals who do this for a living report the median age of death was approx 40 (PDF) (https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/epidemiologyofcovid-19inirelandweeklyreports/COVID-19%20Weekly%20Report_%20Week%202_%20Slidset_HPSC%20-%20Website.pdf) in the second half of Jan 2020.
Fact 3:
Facebook is not a good place to get reliable information.
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talking out of your balloon knot.
it says the average age of getting the flu was 40 years old, not the death rate.
page 24 tells you the average death rate was 82 years old and 84% were already riddled with health problems, which is what i've been saying.
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talking out of your balloon knot.
it says the average age of getting the flu was 40 years old, not the death rate.
page 24 tells you the average death rate was 82 years old and 84% were already riddled with health problems, which is what i've been saying.
Covid-19 is a respiratory illness. It is not Influenza. You have your equivalent of Bang bang's mantra and refuse to accept professional opinion.
John Waters and Gemma O'Doherty will listen to your " research ", the rest of us will listen to those at the front line.
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- 93% of the 1% were already riddled with health problems
- average death age is 84 years old
talking out of your balloon knot.
it says the average age of getting the flu was 40 years old, not the death rate.
page 24 tells you the average death rate was 82 years old and 84% were already riddled with health problems, which is what i've been saying.
93% =/ 84%
84yrs =/ 82yrs
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- 93% of the 1% were already riddled with health problems
- average death age is 84 years old
talking out of your balloon knot.
it says the average age of getting the flu was 40 years old, not the death rate.
page 24 tells you the average death rate was 82 years old and 84% were already riddled with health problems, which is what i've been saying.
93% =/ 84%
84yrs =/ 82yrs
same fuckin thing.
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The real problem is the pressure the virus puts on the health service, Doc. Dr. Leo managed the situation very well, reducing the number of patients on trolleys to zero and delivering thousands of empty beds and more ICU availability than one could shake a stick at. Alas, some fucking gobshite thought it a good idea to replace Dr. Leo with a fucking clown hence hospitals filled up and trying to find an ICU became like looking for an unused syringe in a block of council flats.
Bring back Dr. Leo. Dr. Leo was great so he was...
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talking out of your balloon knot.
it says the average age of getting the flu was 40 years old, not the death rate.
page 24 tells you the average death rate was 82 years old and 84% were already riddled with health problems, which is what i've been saying.
Covid-19 is a respiratory illness. It is not Influenza. You have your equivalent of Bang bang's mantra and refuse to accept professional opinion.
John Waters and Gemma O'Doherty will listen to your " research ", the rest of us will listen to those at the front line.
I think you've a few jars on ye. You're not listening to what I'm saying.
I am listening to the professionals and looking at the official stats.
It does'nt jive with the draconian measures that's being imposed on the country and the blatant fear mongering.
I'm also a professional as well, a professional in detecting when people are talking absolute bollocks.
I've talked a lotta bollocks in my time as well.
That's how I know.
When people crawled out from under their beds last year around September and October I had to listen to about 15 years worth of bollocks in the space of two months.
Leo Varadkar flicked a switch and had a million lemmings in a state of fear parroting the virus pandemic epithets over night.
From listening to the mask and rubber glove brigade it's clear that people on the ground have'nt a fuckin clue why they're afraid. They're told they should be afraid though. No individual research just following orders.
The monty python sketch will be complete when the government says ye don't need to strap a maxipad to your face anymore, and like lemmings they'll all come off in unison. We've concluded they were probably not worth a wank wearing them. Sure it did no harm anyway.
Forgot to tell everybody as well, it turns out only very elderly people with heavy duty health problems died from this flu. Old people dying. Imagine that.
It'll be too late then.
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And the excess mortality rates that have been reported around the world?
Ireland: https://www.thejournal.ie/factfind-factcheck-covid-19-deaths-numbers-5304598-Dec2020/ (https://www.thejournal.ie/factfind-factcheck-covid-19-deaths-numbers-5304598-Dec2020/)
However, official sources have estimated that during the first three to six months of the pandemic alone, around 1,000 more people died in Ireland this year compared to what would have been expected if Covid-19 had not emerged.
UK & some of Europe: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/comparisonsofallcausemortalitybetweeneuropeancountriesandregions/januarytojune2020 (https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/comparisonsofallcausemortalitybetweeneuropeancountriesandregions/januarytojune2020)
Within countries there has been considerable variation in mortality; in the UK, every local authority area (NUTS3) experienced excess mortality during the peak weeks of excess mortality (week ending 3 April to week ending 8 May 2020), while other Western European countries experienced more geographically localised excess mortality.
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What about the Huawei 5G masts?
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darn right there's excess mortality rates.
that's what worldwide panic and incompetence will do.
the iceberg did'nt kill 1500 people on the titanic.
panic and incompetence did.
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darn right there's excess mortality rates.
that's what worldwide panic and incompetence will do.
the iceberg did'nt kill 1500 people on the titanic.
panic and incompetence did.
I'm amazed no one asked for your advice...apart from Gemma and John.
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is that the whiney voiced gee bag who said do you know who i am to the garda in that video last year? as for that walters aulwan, he fathered a sprog with that sinead o'connor head banger. that's how much of a higha he is.
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is that the whiney voiced gee bag who said do you know who i am to the garda in that video last year? as for that walters aulwan, he fathered a sprog with that sinead o'connor head banger. that's how much of a higha he is.
That's them, anti vaxxers and anti maskers.
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they're bluffers and attention seekers.
they're a disgrace to the it's all a loada bollocks movement.
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I have posted a few times I dont know whats really happening but I do know that this Government is incompetent' and so is the EU .Having read both sides or the argument between Watty and Doc .Im more in tune with Docs understanding .A year into this I know NOBODY that has died from the virus .I know only 3 people who got it .I would not like to risk catching it but as the Doc says the real danger is among Older people with underlying health issues .
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GREAT TO SEE THE ACTUAL GOVERNMENT NOW KNOW WHAT I KNEW MONTHS AGO ......There is growing concern within Government at what is seen as orchestrated attempts to undermine public confidence in Stephen Donnelly, the Health Minister.
What makes this different from the usual sustained attacks on a minister is that the attention on Donnelly is widely said to be sourced in Cabinet; the enemy within, if you like.
And at a time when the Department of Health is in a life-and-death battle against Covid, with more than 3,000 lives so far lost, Cabinet intrigue, back-biting and infighting may be seen to be indulgent to say the least.
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I have posted a few times I dont know whats really happening but I do know that this Government is incompetent' and so is the EU .Having read both sides or the argument between Watty and Doc .Im more in tune with Docs understanding .A year into this I know NOBODY that has died from the virus .I know only 3 people who got it .I would not like to risk catching it but as the Doc says the real danger is among Older people with underlying health issues .
That's the problem with coalition, everyone is pulling in all directions, a bit like a co-op.
Had Mary Loo...ney rose to power , she would have made all the decisions...as directed by the Army council! 8)
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Problem With Donnolly he started the Social Dems but they realized he is an ego maniac wont listed to anybody so when they were selecting a leader he thought because he had a scrotum he would get the gig but they decided on joint leaders .He then sold them out and joined FF with a promise of future Office .The Lifers in FF hate the Cunt as he is like an emigrant coming over to their side and taking their job .Exact the same breed as Leo .Not Party Players its all about them .Donnolly is absolutely Incompetent the problem is if FF sack him he will become an independent and the government majority will be down to two .Make it a free for all .You saw Willy O Dea threatining the Cabbages and he got his road .The two Green Politicians who stood up to the Leader of the Cabbages got the CEPA vote reviewed .We need a General election this government have no authority and not enough votes to rule .
You can smell General election wage increase for Civil Servants and some FFer looking for the fuel allowance to be extended .And the most important issue concerning every Irishman and Woman Will Mick from Cork go to visit Biden .
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darn right there's excess mortality rates.
that's what worldwide panic and incompetence will do.
the iceberg did'nt kill 1500 people on the titanic.
panic and incompetence did.
cause and effect... I suspect the panic started after the iceberg hit and caused the ship to start sinking. In other words, the iceberg caused the ship to started sinking and then people started to panic/die whatever.
I doubt people read a newspaper story about a virus and dropped dead in panic. I suspect they caught the virus and the virus caused them to start dying.
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I have posted a few times I dont know whats really happening but I do know that this Government is incompetent' and so is the EU .Having read both sides or the argument between Watty and Doc .Im more in tune with Docs understanding .A year into this I know NOBODY that has died from the virus .I know only 3 people who got it .I would not like to risk catching it but as the Doc says the real danger is among Older people with underlying health issues .
Every country in the world, apart from maybe New Zealand, is struggling with this virus. Nobody knew about this virus a year ago and we're playing catch-up. Governments are hampered by those who'd rather listen to facebook/Aunt Betsy rather than the science.
Approx 30,000 (https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-1916/1916irl/bmd/deaths/) people die in Ireland each year. How many of them did you know? 3,794 (https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0210/1196349-covid-figures-ireland/) have died from Covid-19 so far. What are the odds you'd know someone in that group? I reckon people are dying in clusters as certain families are being stupid, ignoring the rules, and getting hit harder with the virus. A friend of a friend had 18 family members infected over Xmas. None in my family because we took precautions. Chances are it's as simple that your family and friends are taking care of themselves. In my extended family, there's grannies over 80 & kids under 10 & someone going in for elective surgery next week. None of us wants to be the one that kills granny or leaves a 7 yr old parent-less or leave a family member crippled for life 'cause they couldn't get the surgery.
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To be fair, our initial response was world class. Dr. Leo single handedly cleared hospital waiting lists and freed up thousands of hospital beds with ample ICU availability. It's only since An Taoiseach took the reigns that things have gone down hill. An Taoiseach has single handedly filled up the hospitals and crippled ICU provision. Dr. Leo understood the need to give tradesmen the option to stay at home, wash their hands and protect the HSE whereas An Taoiseach's puppy dole cuts have forced the same tradesmen to choose between spreading the virus or starving their families to death.
Bring back Dr. Leo. Dr. Leo was great so he was...
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100% vaxxed .....
Anyone ?
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Dunno Bubba... A bloke down the shebeen was telling me you can't eat pork after being vaccinated. Pubs closed, women covering their faces... pandemic or controlled Islamification?
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I have posted a few times I dont know whats really happening but I do know that this Government is incompetent' and so is the EU .Having read both sides or the argument between Watty and Doc .Im more in tune with Docs understanding .A year into this I know NOBODY that has died from the virus .I know only 3 people who got it .I would not like to risk catching it but as the Doc says the real danger is among Older people with underlying health issues .
Every country in the world, apart from maybe New Zealand, is struggling with this virus. Nobody knew about this virus a year ago and we're playing catch-up. Governments are hampered by those who'd rather listen to facebook/Aunt Betsy rather than the science.
Approx 30,000 (https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-1916/1916irl/bmd/deaths/) people die in Ireland each year. How many of them did you know? 3,794 (https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0210/1196349-covid-figures-ireland/) have died from Covid-19 so far. What are the odds you'd know someone in that group? I reckon people are dying in clusters as certain families are being stupid, ignoring the rules, and getting hit harder with the virus. A friend of a friend had 18 family members infected over Xmas. None in my family because we took precautions. Chances are it's as simple that your family and friends are taking care of themselves. In my extended family, there's grannies over 80 & kids under 10 & someone going in for elective surgery next week. None of us wants to be the one that kills granny or leaves a 7 yr old parent-less or leave a family member crippled for life 'cause they couldn't get the surgery.
+1
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I have posted a few times I dont know whats really happening but I do know that this Government is incompetent' and so is the EU .Having read both sides or the argument between Watty and Doc .Im more in tune with Docs understanding .A year into this I know NOBODY that has died from the virus .I know only 3 people who got it .I would not like to risk catching it but as the Doc says the real danger is among Older people with underlying health issues .
Every country in the world, apart from maybe New Zealand, is struggling with this virus. Nobody knew about this virus a year ago and we're playing catch-up. Governments are hampered by those who'd rather listen to facebook/Aunt Betsy rather than the science.
Approx 30,000 (https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-1916/1916irl/bmd/deaths/) people die in Ireland each year. How many of them did you know? 3,794 (https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0210/1196349-covid-figures-ireland/) have died from Covid-19 so far. What are the odds you'd know someone in that group? I reckon people are dying in clusters as certain families are being stupid, ignoring the rules, and getting hit harder with the virus. A friend of a friend had 18 family members infected over Xmas. None in my family because we took precautions. Chances are it's as simple that your family and friends are taking care of themselves. In my extended family, there's grannies over 80 & kids under 10 & someone going in for elective surgery next week. None of us wants to be the one that kills granny or leaves a 7 yr old parent-less or leave a family member crippled for life 'cause they couldn't get the surgery.
Ill respond to that Watty the UN some years ago decided on Human Rights that every Prisoner was entitled to one hours exercise per Day .Now Big Dommos Granny is confined to her 8x6 cell in her nursing home to prevent any interaction with others and to prevent contagion .As a result of sitting in a Cripmo Chair or Cripmo bed built to support her she is static this cuts down on her circulation .
FROM A DOCTOR WORKING IN BROADGREEN HOSPITAL: KNOWS A GREAT DEAL MORE THAN ANY GOVERNMENT MINISTER....VERY INTERESTING READ
"To all the people on here threatening to unfriend people, or wishing a second wave of COVID on people, for daring to go out in the sun, you really need to think about what you are writing, and a lot of you are health professionals as well.
What was the aim of lock down? What did every single health "expert" say was the reason to justify a lockdown? And why do we have a Flu season at all? And why have we continued to have a steady incidence rate despite being in lockdown? And why are thousands of elderly people dying in nursing homes?
The reason we had lockdown was to "flatten the curve" or buy time to increase ITU/crit care beds. Well with 4 nightingale hospitals mothballed and 50% of hospital beds lying empty, I think we have achieved that.
Not one "expert" worth his salt will tell you that we can stop a respiratory virus, and if they did they would be lying or I am deluded and we have no common cold or Flu cases every winter. So with a fifth of the country likely to have already had the virus and a health service with a massive amount of level 2 and level 3 beds, we are more than ready for a second spike, as it stands. Remember we cannot lock down forever and we need to come out, which brings me on to the Flu season.
Why do we have a flu season? The main reason we have a Flu season is because as it gets cooler people coop up and spend more time in close proximity, the population becomes denser and therefor it's easier for a virus to travel, also people tend to eat less fruit and veg and see less sunlight and our natural defences are slightly depleted, sound familiar?
The longer we stay locked down, the closer we will be to the next Flu season, so essentially you will be hitting a second spike as people begin to mix, late summer early Autumn which will be just as the next Flu seasons hits, so a second spike will lead nicely into a third and if you want to overwhelm the NHS then this is the exact way to do it.
Lastly why are so many elderly people dying of COVID, well it's largely down to the paranoia that people are displaying on platforms like facebook. GP's are not assessing elderly patients face to face, they are not being taken to hospital or they are terrified to go to hospital incase they get COVID, so they stay at home until it's too late.
Strokes are down up to 70%, where have these patient gone? MI's down 50%, Hospital attendances down 90%, where are all the falls?? But why do they all have COVID signs?
Well anyone who has worked with elderly patients, and I suspect lots of you have, will know there are multiple reasons an elderly person can develop a pneumonia (COVID symptoms). They might fall and be in pain therefore not fully expand their lungs and develop atelectasis and then pneumonia.
They may have reduced mobility, due to quarantine, and become constipated and this may push up on the diaphragm and cause atelectasis or cause them to vomit and aspirate leading to pneumonia.They may develop urinary retention and UTI, secondary to constipation, and become bed bound, causing more time in a prone position and develop a basal collapse of the lungs and again atelectasis and pneumonia. The fact that they have reduced mobility may even mean they spend more time in bed or just sitting, which again is enough to cause chest infection/pneumonia.
Strokes may not present (they aren't) and develop swallow issues and aspirate leading to pneumonia, MIs may present late and develop pulmonary oedema with a secondary infection again leading to pneumonia, and many may have a cold or a Flu (which is down 95%) and go on to develop a pneumonia.
All of the above reasons would cause a patient to have COVID symptoms and will kill elderly patients if not treated, and all of them are enough to be classed as a COVID death currently. And this is why so many nursing homes are being decimated, it's as much through fear as it is through COVID.
Before you campaign and sign petitions to lock yourselves and your family away, remember also that lock down has consequences.
The first 2 reasons are clear above, the elderly will become frail, not be treated and die in their thousands, and thousands of people will not attend A&E at all, or until it's too late and again will die. This is before you factor in the 60 thousand cancer patients that will lose their lives because of missed screening or delayed operations. And then there is the burden on mental health services and the deaths caused by domestic abuse or suicide. And that's before the biggest killer by far which will be austerity.
We are heading for the biggest recession in 300 years, the last one has cost an estimated 500000 lives, why will this one be any different? And even with the lock down measures prolonged, will we have saved any lives any way, as our frail residents face a second and third spike in quick succession.
I understand that you my be scared and its overwhelming being constantly bombarded with negativity and fear, but before you completely isolate yourselves and fall out with loved ones and friends, ask yourself is lockdown still working, and what are the potential benefits of staying locked down versus, carrying on with some semblance of a normal life?"
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To be fair, our initial response was world class. Dr. Leo single handedly cleared hospital waiting lists and freed up thousands of hospital beds with ample ICU availability. It's only since An Taoiseach took the reigns that things have gone down hill. An Taoiseach has single handedly filled up the hospitals and crippled ICU provision. Dr. Leo understood the need to give tradesmen the option to stay at home, wash their hands and protect the HSE whereas An Taoiseach's puppy dole cuts have forced the same tradesmen to choose between spreading the virus or starving their families to death.
Bring back Dr. Leo. Dr. Leo was great so he was...
While I agree about how great Dr.Leo was, his big mistake was not listening to the advice given by Holohan.
To give in to Holohan would have been perceived to be weak was the counsel given by Leo's advisor, we all paid dearly for it.
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Mehaul Martin was Taoiseach at that stage. Dr. Leo was just rolled out as the whipping boy. During Dr. Leo's tenure (as Taoiseach) Dr. Holohan's advice was followed to the letter. Remember the press conferences - Listen to Dr. Leo, listen to Dr. Tony!
Bring back Dr. Leo. Dr. Leo was great so he was...
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Mehaul Martin was Taoiseach at that stage. Dr. Leo was just rolled out as the whipping boy. During Dr. Leo's tenure (as Taoiseach) Dr. Holohan's advice was followed to the letter. Remember the press conferences - Listen to Dr. Leo, listen to Dr. Tony!
Bring back Dr. Leo. Dr. Leo was great so he was...
Dr Leo went on RTE with yer one he came out to and Called Dr Hooligan a Cunt what knew fuck all about running a country .Dr Leo is a fucktard and thankfully will never ever be Taoiseach again .
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Mehaul Martin was Taoiseach at that stage. Dr. Leo was just rolled out as the whipping boy. During Dr. Leo's tenure (as Taoiseach) Dr. Holohan's advice was followed to the letter. Remember the press conferences - Listen to Dr. Leo, listen to Dr. Tony!
Bring back Dr. Leo. Dr. Leo was great so he was...
The lockdown advice was delayed by two weeks.
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That was during Mehaul's tenure, erm. To be fair, our performance under the current Taoiseach certainly suggests Dr. Holohan is out of his depth. There's no doubt that we have capability within the civil service, the fact that the Minister for Health didn't get a look at the doctors deal in time to inject his tuppence worth proves that.
I hope you're, characteristically, wrong and Dr. Leo does come back to lead us again. He had a remarkable ability to command respect across party lines e.g. I'm not and never will be a FG supporter and you, yourself, went to the extreme of taking to the internet to vocalise your support for Dr. Leo's advice back when he was Taoiseach. Conversely, your tune underwent the most extraordinary change during Mehaul's tenure when you actually reported engaging in the very behaviour you previously deemed to be irresponsible. Inexplicably, you thought working would be irresponsible when Dr. Leo had plenty of health care capacity but performed your U turn after Mehaul had crippled the HSE with zero ICU availability nationwide. The proof af any pudding is in the eating, I guess.
In any event, we owe Dr. Leo a debt of gratitude for his leadership at the start of the pandemic and, perhaps to a lesser extent, for his negotiation of Brexit. He'll be remembered as one of the best Teeshig we ever had, if not the best.
Bring back Dr. Leo. Dr. Leo was great so he was...
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That was during Mehaul's tenure, erm. To be fair, our performance under the current Taoiseach certainly suggests Dr. Holohan is out of his depth. There's no doubt that we have capability within the civil service, the fact that the Minister for Health didn't get a look at the doctors deal in time to inject his tuppence worth proves that.
I hope you're, characteristically, wrong and Dr. Leo does come back to lead us again. He had a remarkable ability to command respect across party lines e.g. I'm not and never will be a FG supporter and you, yourself, went to the extreme of taking to the internet to vocalise your support for Dr. Leo's advice back when he was Taoiseach. Conversely, your tune underwent the most extraordinary change during Mehaul's tenure when you actually reported engaging in the very behaviour you previously deemed to be irresponsible. Inexplicably, you thought working would be irresponsible when Dr. Leo had plenty of health care capacity but performed your U turn after Mehaul had crippled the HSE with zero ICU availability nationwide. The proof af any pudding is in the eating, I guess.
In any event, we owe Dr. Leo a debt of gratitude for his leadership at the start of the pandemic and, perhaps to a lesser extent, for his negotiation of Brexit. He'll be remembered as one of the best Teeshig we ever had, if not the best.
Bring back Dr. Leo. Dr. Leo was great so he was...
05/10/2020
https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-level-5-ireland-5223646-Oct2020/ (https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-level-5-ireland-5223646-Oct2020/)
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Like I said, during Mehaul's ongoing reign of terror. Mehaul became An Taoiseach in June 2020. Fuck knows why anyone thought a fucking clown of his ilk could fill Dr. Leo's little pink Nikes.
Bring back Dr. Leo. Dr Leo was great so he was...
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Like I said, during Mehaul's ongoing reign of terror. Mehaul became An Taoiseach in June 2020. Fuck knows why anyone thought a fucking clown of his ilk could fill Dr. Leo's little pink Nikes.
Bring back Dr. Leo. Dr Leo was great so he was...
Martin must have pushed Varadkar in front of the Mike.
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Absolutely. If An Taoiseach is guilty of nothing else he is certainly guilty of killing men, women and gender fluids for political gain during this pandemic.
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Absolutely. If An Taoiseach is guilty of nothing else he is certainly guilty of killing men, women and gender fluids for political gain during this pandemic.
From 05/10/2020
Varadkar criticises Holohan: says Level 5 advice 'not thought through'
Tánaiste says recommendation was 'landed on us' by surprise on Sunday night
The Tánaiste said he had confidence in NPHET in relation to its public health advice but there were other considerations that needed to be taken into account. Photograph: Niall Carson/PA
The Tánaiste said he had confidence in NPHET in relation to its public health advice but there were other considerations that needed to be taken into account. Photograph: Niall Carson/PA
Patsy McGarry, Harry McGee
Updated: Mon, Oct 5, 2020, 23:27
Tánaiste Leo Varadkar has criticised the chief medical officer Dr Tony Holohan for announcing public health recommendations that were not “thought through” and without consulting the Government in advance.
Speaking on RTÉ on Monday night, after the Government had announced all counties were moving to Level 3 from midnight on Tuesday, Mr Varadkar said the advice of the National Public Health Emergency Team (NPHET) to move to Level 5 had “landed on us” by surprise on Sunday night.
Exposing deep tensions between NPHET and the Government, Mr Varadkar said Dr Holohan accepted there should have been prior consultation and there would not be a repeat of the incident.
The Tánaiste told RTÉ’s Claire Byrne Live he had confidence in NPHET in relation to its public health advice but there were other considerations that needed to be taken into account. While the members of NPHET were very well qualified in health matters, none “would have faced being on the Pandemic Unemployment Payment yesterday” and “none of them would have to tell somebody that they were losing their job”.
Mr Varadkar said: “I think what happened the last couple of days wasn’t good for anyone, wasn’t good for NPHET, isn’t good for Government, and really wasn’t good for the Irish people, many of whom were worried sick today wondering whether they had a job tomorrow, wondering whether they were shuttering their business for the last time...
“So we thought that this is not the right way to do things, land something like this on a Sunday night, without prior consultation, without being able to answer very basic questions.”
By proposing a “circuit break” NPHET was recommending “something that has never been tried in Europe”, he continued.
“We didn’t feel it had been thought through properly. For example, we asked for some comfort that four weeks might be enough… They weren’t able to give us that comfort.”
Mr Varadkar said the Government asked whether it was credible to keep schools open during the lockdown. NPHET thought it was “but weren’t so sure”, he said.
“We asked them what do we say to the 400,000 people who would lose their jobs tomorrow and all those business… They thought that was a political matter for us.”
European norm
Mr Varadkar rejected NPHET’s claims that hospitals and ICU’s were about to be overwhelmed. This was “not shared by the CEO of the HSE. The HSE board were not consulted on this”.
What Ireland was doing was “very much in line” with what was recommended by the World Health Organisation and the European Disease Surveillance Centre.
“I look around Europe and countries that have a much higher incidence of the virus than us, pretty much every country in Western Europe, and none of them are going for this option. They’re all trying to live with the virus, bring in restrictions making sure there is adequate health care capacity.”
Asked if he had confidence in Mr Holohan after lambasting his plan as crazy and “ripping his rationale to shreds”, Mr Varadkar said he had but that such surprises being landed on Government could not happen again.
“I did not say it was crazy. I said it was not thought through and there was not prior consultation,” he said.
“I have confidence in NPHET to dispense public health advice. That’s what they do. They don’t advise the public, they advise the Government and the Government decided.
“I do think one thing that needs to be borne in mind, very good people, 40 of them but all coming from medical or scientific or civil service backgrounds. None of those people, for example, would have faced being on the Pandemic Unemployment Payment yesterday.
“None of them would have to tell somebody that they were losing their job and none of them would have to shutter a business for the last time. And I’m not talking about the economy, I’m talking about something that could have happened half a million human beings tomorrow and the reason why politicians make these decisions is because we’re the ones who can see then bigger picture.
“It’s not just about a virus and statistics around a virus. It’s not about death rate. It’s about real people and how it impacts on so many different people and so many different communities in so many different ways.”
The Opposition has demanded a full explanation from the Government on the reasons behind its public rejection of the NPHET’s advice.
The decision to depart from the NPHET recommendation also led to reservations being expressed by some Minsters at Monday evening’s Cabinet about the advisability of the course of action.
Sinn Féin health spokesman David Cullinane said the Government would have to explain its reasoning for its decision in the face of rising numbers.
He said there was nevertheless increased restrictions outside Dublin and Donegal which would bring more hardship on families.
“The Government needs to restore the payments they cut, restore the protections for renters, give workers and families the breaks and supports they need.
“They also need to ensure we have enough bed and ICU capacity in our health system, as well as ratcheting up testing and tracing.
Labour Party leader Alan Kelly said While a clear statement was given by the Taoiseach, he wanted to see the full data that informed the decision.
“I also want clarity on ICU bed capacity, and how Level 3 restrictions will be enforced. Clearer communications on any future moves between levels is essential to avoid public panic,” he said.
Social Democrats’ co-leader Róisín Shortall said in a tweet that it was hard to know what exactly the Government would do to reduce the current levels of Covid-19.
“There was no detail whatsoever provided by the Taoiseach. Inexplicably it is penalising counties with low levels and doing nothing new in some counties with high levels,” she said.
Paul Murphy of Rise said it was “pretty outrageous” for the Government to go against public health advice of a body it set up.
“The Taoiseach then refuses to face any questions from the media after delivering a speech about it,” he said.
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Like I said, during Mehaul's ongoing reign of terror. Mehaul became An Taoiseach in June 2020. Fuck knows why anyone thought a fucking clown of his ilk could fill Dr. Leo's little pink Nikes.
Read to the bottom line of your copy & post!
Bring back Dr. Leo. Dr Leo was great so he was...
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Like I said, during Mehaul's ongoing reign of terror. Mehaul became An Taoiseach in June 2020. Fuck knows why anyone thought a fucking clown of his ilk could fill Dr. Leo's little pink Nikes.
Read to the bottom line of your copy & post!
Bring back Dr. Leo. Dr Leo was great so he was...
I was going to highlight that paragraph, but wanted to be sure you read the entire article.
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Did ya ever watch Yes Minister? The beginning is never the place to start!
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Did ya ever watch Yes Minister? The beginning is never the place to start!
I don't think I've missed an episode from Yes Minister, or Yes, Prime minister. 8)
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Ill respond to that Watty the UN some years ago decided on Human Rights that every Prisoner was entitled to one hours exercise per Day .Now Big Dommos Granny is confined to her 8x6 cell in her nursing home to prevent any interaction with others and to prevent contagion .As a result of sitting in a Cripmo Chair or Cripmo bed built to support her she is static this cuts down on her circulation .
I never mentioned nursing homes but they seem to be a problem worldwide. And I don't think anybody has found the right balance between isolation and integration yet? Are you suggesting the matron fuks them out of bed at 8am and gets them to run 2 laps of the grounds?
FROM A DOCTOR WORKING IN BROADGREEN HOSPITAL: KNOWS A GREAT DEAL MORE THAN ANY GOVERNMENT MINISTER....VERY INTERESTING READ
"To all the people on here threatening to unfriend people, or wishing a second wave of COVID on people, for daring to go out in the sun, you really need to think about what you are writing, and a lot of you are health professionals as well.
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The longer we stay locked down, the closer we will be to the next Flu season, so essentially you will be hitting a second spike as people begin to mix, late summer early Autumn which will be just as the next Flu seasons hits, so a second spike will lead nicely into a third and if you want to overwhelm the NHS then this is the exact way to do it.
That article reads like it was written last Spring/early Summer. Since we didn't have a flu season, I wonder what his/her opinion is now? He's against lockdown (as he defines it) but he doesn't really suggest an alternative?
I understand that you my be scared and its overwhelming being constantly bombarded with negativity and fear, but before you completely isolate yourselves and fall out with loved ones and friends, ask yourself is lockdown still working, and what are the potential benefits of staying locked down versus, carrying on with some semblance of a normal life?"
I don't think anyone official is telling us to lock the front door and hide under the bed. It's about managing the risk. Go shopping when it's less busy. Work from home if you can. Wear a mask, keep 2 metres distance and wash your hands. Apart from masks, I don't think the official advice has changed much since the beginning?
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If we all go shopping when it's less busy less will become more. How about supermarkets staying open 20 hours/day and restricting over 60s shopping hours to 00:00 - 04:00 with a thorough disinfection routine carried out from 04:00 to 08:00 behind closed, locked and sealed doors?
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Birra good news:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-11/roche-arthritis-drug-cut-covid-patients-risk-of-death-in-study?utm_source=google&utm_medium=bd&cmpId=google (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-11/roche-arthritis-drug-cut-covid-patients-risk-of-death-in-study?utm_source=google&utm_medium=bd&cmpId=google)
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The results indicate that for every 25 such patients treated with Actemra, also known as tocilizumab, one life would be saved, the researchers said.
Not such good news for 24 out of 25.
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The results indicate that for every 25 such patients treated with Actemra, also known as tocilizumab, one life would be saved, the researchers said.
Not such good news for 24 out of 25.
Does Ermy get a call to come up with names for those drugs? 8)