Irish Taxi Forum
Public Area => Taxi Talk => Topic started by: john m on May 12, 2021, 09:52:30 am
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FOR TAXI DRIVERS WHO WILL BE GREATLY RESTRICTED BY LOCKED DOWN STREETS FROM EARNING A WAGE
THE Government has been urged to help local authorities fund outdoor dining 'hubs' to ensure restaurants, cafes and gastro-pubs are prepared for any delay in sanctioning indoor dining over the summer due to Covid-19.
The plea came as the Government and local councils were warned that catering operations must have an expanded outdoor capacity if indoor dining controls persist throughout the summer.
A €4,000 grant per restaurant or gastro-pub has already been offered by the Government to support "an outdoor summer."
However, restaurant and gastro-pub owners said special dining 'hubs' and the continental atmosphere they generate in cities and towns hold the key to successful summer trading given ongoing pandemic controls.
Cork is examining erecting a special 'weather roof' over a city centre street, Waterford is campaigning for a designed outdoor dining hub in a pedestrianised zone and several towns are considering closing streets from 5pm to facilitate on-street eating.
While some councils have provided grants to enable restaurant owners to expand their outdoor catering capacity, business owners want a coordinated national approach from the Government so that every city and town can offer street dining 'hubs' for the peak 'staycation' boom this summer.
Cork City Council director of services, David Joyce, said the development of on-street dining on Princes Street in Cork city centre last summer was a runaway triumph - with the council amongst the first to provide grants to help restaurants, cafes and gastro-pubs to have an outdoor offering.
Princes Street - which boasts a concentration of restaurants and pubs - generated national headlines as it was remodelled to resemble a French or Italian tourist area.
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Local restaurants saw business soar - and bookings for outdoor tables were at a premium since the partial pedestrianisation on June 29.
“It was a rip-roaring success and generated a lot of praise," Mr Joyce said.
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I usta get 2 Grants on Eastenders....Lost one of the
Grants. Never got anything from them. 2 baldy useless ffucks. ::sleep...Wheres me pills
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A €4,000 grant per restaurant or gastro-pub has already been offered by the Government to support "an outdoor summer."Capel Street,Dame Street ,Merrion Row ,South William all blocked off .You would need to be a Seagull to get around the City and Seagulls shitting on your dinner or swiping your Nachos as you eat like a pig out in the open .Poor Blindpeople or Girls with Kids in prams or old Ladies on walking frames or likely lads who were kneecapped in electric Wheelchairs wont be able to negotiate the dangerous City Streets without bumping into a table ans spilling hot beverages all over customers .The Four Goldmines will be busy with claims .Will FBD or anyone else write insurance for street dining .
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Handy grant of 20k if one goes leccie car,
If ones car has 300k on it or near end of life
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Handy grant of 20k if one goes leccie car,
If ones car has 300k on it or near end of life
Still looking at putting 25k of your own(or the banks) with that grant....but it is interesting.
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Handy grant of 20k if one goes leccie car,
If ones car has 300k on it or near end of life
Still looking at putting 25k of your own(or the banks) with that grant....but it is interesting.
Be interesting to see the wear and tare over a few years what they would be like on say 300.000 or 400,000 KM
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Handy grant of 20k if one goes leccie car,
If ones car has 300k on it or near end of life
Ermy is near end of life, does he qualify? 8)
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Erm it would take me 20 years to cover that mileage...
For the average grafter 3/5 years from an electric taxi would be the max IMO until some cheap batteries can be sourced.
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Not an expert but I think it's the fast chargers that kills the battery. If you consistently slow-charged at home, the battery would last longer. Whether you'd get 5 or 10 years taxiing out of it, I don't know. But MG are offering a 7 year/150,000 km "general warranty (incl battery)" on their MG5 EV. So MG believe their EV will do 150,000 km without any bother?
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I'm sure they'll last and operate just fine but they do degrade like your mobile phone battery over time.It won't have the same capacity when it is getting the miles put on it.You mightn't even notice it but it could be down 10/20% range after a few years.
The only way around it is to buy the biggest battery you can afford but that costs even more.I firmly believe this will catch some lads out and the NTA should have kept the grants for hybrids until there's a better charging network built.
A bigger problem is right now there is no way to replace an electric car battery cheaply if it's out of warranty.A decent size leaf battery cannot be found for less than 6/8k.Something to think about.If the drivers with the Kia e niros as taxis have an accident where the batteries are damaged they could be months waiting for parts.
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YES or NO answer .If you could have an EV for 23/25K on the road would you ......NO .what about the rest of you .
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Yes.
MG5 EV €28,000 minus €20k grant = €8k
That was my plan anyways until I figured out the NTA won't give you the grant until you've bought the car and plated it up :'(
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It's not a simple yes or no.Yes I'd probably give it a go but I'm only doing it because it will be cheaper than running and purchasing another Prius.
The grant conditions do frighten me though.If you take the grant you're required to replace the leccy car with another one if it gets written off.What if the insurance doesn't pay out or you don't have fully comp?.How do you finance the car without the grant the second time?Many questions and not too many answers on the NTA website.
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Yes.
MG5 EV €28,000 minus €20k grant = €8k
That was my plan anyways until I figured out the NTA won't give you the grant until you've bought the car and plated it up :'(
Think you would be treated as a business customer so your price would be + 5K minus the 20K grant.
MG5 EV Private Customers ROTR* Business Customers ROTR*
Excite from €28,495 from €33,495
Exclusive from €31,745 from €36,745
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Still a new car for 13.5K.
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How would the garage know I was a business? I'd buy it as a personal car and tax/insure it as such for the month until I got the NCT/Suitability/stickers etc done?
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Maybe if you wanted someone like the seller, e.g. MD motors, to up front the price until you got sorted.
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The NTA won't release the grant until the taxi is stickered up with a meter & roofsign etc. Can't imagine any garage trusting you to 'deface' a brand new car on the promise you'd come back in a month with the NTA cheque?
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MD Motors did for a guy I know, as confirmed by Hal when I put them in touch with each other.
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Good to know. Fair play to them.
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The NTA won't release the grant until the taxi is stickered up with a meter & roofsign etc. Can't imagine any garage trusting you to 'deface' a brand new car on the promise you'd come back in a month with the NTA cheque?
This is a problem and an anomaly with the grant system,i spoke to my local Nissan and Kia dealers and they're not to happy to release cars to have taxi graffiti and meters installed and then having to wait 21 days for payment from the NTA.....as Bob said,MD Motors will look after securing and stickering up but if you're looking to finance the balance or a portion of it through them...it's quite expensive as opposed to getting finance through Kia in particular.
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For an extra €1000 o'sullivan motors will to you the car and the grant money will go to him.
So you will get the kia eniro for €20000 without having to pony up the full amount which is €42000.
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How would the garage know I was a business? I'd buy it as a personal car and tax/insure it as such for the month until I got the NCT/Suitability/stickers etc done?
As far as I know if you do that (buy it as a personal car) you get the 5 large off it,but when you go to get the 20 large grant I was told that they check and see if there was already a discount given and you won't get the full 20,there was a whisper that you could buy it in your wife's name and then change it over to you to get the 5 and then the 20 but I'm not sure.
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An ev will be a load of trouble at 200,000km onwards if it even gets that far, the batteries are not proven for commercial use, sales rep and taxi drivers. There are people on youtube claiming 1 million miles on a big battery tesla, but when you look into it they are on their 4th battery and multiple motor changes. Stay as ye are are go hybrid petrol or diesel. At least you can get a few quid for it if its looked after. Somebody will want a cheap runabout that will do 1400km on a fill. Your going to see the scrap yards full to the gills with 7 to 10 year old evs with snagged batteries.
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Have to agree C5,i was going to get an eNiro but wasn't planning on driving as a taxi fulltime but plans change.
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Here is what Im thinking .It runs of Electric we are building loads of data centers that will gobble up more power than we can generate .Most of the Chargers will be three Phase wouldnt put it past the Government to meter those home chargers to a much higher rate than domestic electricity so running costs could soon match carbon fuels .Government need to replace fuel duty with some other duty .Domestic Electricity will shoot up in price as we need to ration it because of those Data Centers .PLUS and its a big plus what happens when the ESB go on strike or there are blackouts .You saw the effect of Musk saying Bitcoin uses to much electricity how long before the Greens want to abort their Bastard Electric Child ?
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https://www.renault.ie/evtaxi.html?fbclid=IwAR0L5M86M_njOk3UMDWnQ4X-O9dzy_38RNw0LH6pdeUZxVuHmuBSs2Pz1rQ (https://www.renault.ie/evtaxi.html?fbclid=IwAR0L5M86M_njOk3UMDWnQ4X-O9dzy_38RNw0LH6pdeUZxVuHmuBSs2Pz1rQ)
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That Zoe thing looks very small on the road but more importantly it's another car without proper door handles.You'd get a pain in yer rocks instructing the drunks how to open the rear doors every 20 minutes.
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How would the garage know I was a business? I'd buy it as a personal car and tax/insure it as such for the month until I got the NCT/Suitability/stickers etc done?
As far as I know if you do that (buy it as a personal car) you get the 5 large off it,but when you go to get the 20 large grant I was told that they check and see if there was already a discount given and you won't get the full 20,there was a whisper that you could buy it in your wife's name and then change it over to you to get the 5 and then the 20 but I'm not sure.
In effect you are getting 2 grants for the one car.
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https://www.renault.ie/evtaxi.html?fbclid=IwAR0L5M86M_njOk3UMDWnQ4X-O9dzy_38RNw0LH6pdeUZxVuHmuBSs2Pz1rQ (https://www.renault.ie/evtaxi.html?fbclid=IwAR0L5M86M_njOk3UMDWnQ4X-O9dzy_38RNw0LH6pdeUZxVuHmuBSs2Pz1rQ)
That Renault ad says you can combine the two grants.
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I rang the SEAI a few months ago and they said taxi drivers no longer qualify.
A workaround would be to buy it in a mate or relatives name to get the first grant from the SEAI then transfer ownership over to yourself and apply for the NTA grant afterwards.Might be immoral buy not illegal AFAIK.
If you buy a secondhand leccy car that's a few months old off a dealer it's likely already gotten the SEAI grant so it would be stupid for them to be doing background checks.They're still really expensive experimental vehicles even with the bigger grants.
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https://www.renault.ie/evtaxi.html?fbclid=IwAR0L5M86M_njOk3UMDWnQ4X-O9dzy_38RNw0LH6pdeUZxVuHmuBSs2Pz1rQ (https://www.renault.ie/evtaxi.html?fbclid=IwAR0L5M86M_njOk3UMDWnQ4X-O9dzy_38RNw0LH6pdeUZxVuHmuBSs2Pz1rQ)
That Renault ad says you can combine the two grants.
As MFH says.....that's the only way to achieve that....but would need to be done within 3 months or less than 3k(kms) to get the full 20k grant
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See a bloke in Cork driving a ID4,
Must be nearly 50k for that car.
And he must be nearly 80 years of age.
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See a bloke in Cork driving a ID4,
Must be nearly 50k for that car.
And he must be nearly 80 years of age.
No worries about the battery life then.
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Replacement parts has to be a big issue .You can be sure they will need to be programmed to work with other parts so Main dealers might be the only source .Is there a service interval for these things and what does it cost ?
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See a bloke in Cork driving a ID4,
Must be nearly 50k for that car.
And he must be nearly 80 years of age.
No worries about the battery life then.
He will work till he’s a 100