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Public Area => Taxi Talk => Topic started by: John m on November 18, 2021, 07:27:37 am
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THE EUROPEAN COURT of Human Rights (ECHR) will today rule on a challenge to the wording of the presidential oath in Ireland, which currently requires those elected to swear to “almighty God”.
The Constitution states that the President when entering office must make a declaration “in the presence of Almighty God” about their promise to fulfil their duties and maintain the constitution.
The challenge over this constitutional requirement for the President and a body that advises the president is being taken by TDs Roisin Shortall and John Brady, Senator David Norris, former CEO of Barnardos Fergus Finlay and Trinity College Dublin Chancellor David McConnell.
The applicants claim the declarations required by Article 12.8 and 31.4 of the Constitution “exclude conscientious non-Christians, non-believers and those who do not wish to violate their consciences both from the office of President and from membership of the Council of State”.
They claim that as prominent politicians and members of Irish civil society they can legitimately aspire to being elected to the office of President or to being appointed to the Council of State.
The applicants claim that the requirements for religious declaration for these offices in the Constitution would either prevent them from taking up these offices or require them to make a religious declaration against their conscience.
They also claim that their rights to freedom of thought, conscience and religion under Article 9.1 have been violated by the above requirements.
The case is due to be heard before the European Court of Human Rights this morning.
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Country is falling apart ,No housing ,No Nightclubs ,No Hospital beds and now no GOD .If they win this case there will need to be a referendum to remove GOD from the Constitution .This is how Politicians want to waste their time .GET A GUN .I wonder will the Boy Scouts Creed also need to be changed .
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What about the courts John. Could it be that one can choose what book to lay their hand on whilst swearing to tell the truth? What if one's an atheist? Could they place their hand on the dandy or beano and swear to Mickey mouse to tell the truth?
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iYou dont need to swear on the Bible in Court never did .That was just In Perry Mason or Rumpole of the Bailey TV Shows .If the ECJ do rule GOD out then The Constitution and any Article with the Word God in it has to be changed and will require a Referendum .Effectivly we will be asked to vote for an Athirst State who believe in nothing .Legally GOD wont exist but ramming your Cock up somebodies arse will be protected in the Constitution .GET A GUN .The backlash to all this Pinko Nonsence will see Europe and Ireland go the same way as TRUMPS America .The lunatics will take over the asylum then the other Lunatics will take it back .Look at France or Britain the Student Protests in Paris of the 60s and Harold Wilsons Socialist Government in the UK planted the seeds for todays terrorism and Social breakdown in both countries .More teenagers in Britain and France will be killed at home than Soldiers from either of these countries .More Dangerous to be a Teenager in South London than a front line Soldier .All these Pinkos are deconstructavists they want to destroy everything but have no answers to what to replace what the want to destroy with .GET A GUNA BIG ONE .you will need it sooner than you think .
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European Court of Justice interfearing again .They say Dwyer the Murderers Phone should not of been interfeared with so should not of been allowed in evidence .I would bet coin Gerry Hutch will go to the ECJ for a ruling on what was recorded in his car .Saying that as the Car crossed the border the Garda did not retain a proper Chain of Evidence as Garda have no authority in the UK .Beginning to see why the Brits want the ECJ removed from the Brexit deal .You dont know what reason or logic Liberal Pinko Judges in Europe will use .
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Maybe it should be up to the person taking the oath to denote which God (if any) ought to hold them to account. Does one still have to swear on the Holy Bible to give evidence in a court of law?
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Maybe it should be up to the person taking the oath to denote which God (if any) ought to hold them to account. Does one still have to swear on the Holy Bible to give evidence in a court of law?
I wonder if any of the Complainants have ever visited the USA or do they object to using money that says in God we Trust ?You do not never had to swear on the Holy Bible to give evidence in a court of Law .
PS will you take your brown envelope full of Dollars ?
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SOME COMMON SENSE
European human rights judges have dismissed a legal challenge to the presidential oath, in a setback for campaigners seeking to remove declarations made “in the presence of Almighty God” from the Constitution.
The presidential oath is set out in the Constitution and a ruling that it breached the European Convention on Human Rights would have prompted demands for a referendum to change it.
The European Court of Human Rights judgment follows a case taken by Social Democrats co-leader Róisín Shortall and four co-litigants. The Government had argued that the action should be thrown out because the litigants were not victimised by the constitutional requirement to make such declarations.
In a unanimous ruling on Thursday, the case was declared inadmissible by a seven-judge chamber of the court in Strasbourg. “The decision is final,” it said.
“The court, in declaring the applications inadmissible, found that the applicants had failed to provide reasonable and convincing evidence that they were at risk of being directly affected by these requirements and so could not claim to be victims of a violation of the Convention,” it added.
“The Convention did not permit applicants to complain about a provision of national law simply because they considered, without being directly affected by it, that it may contravene the Convention.
“The court had previously accepted that applicants might be potential victims in certain circumstances. But in order to claim to be a potential victim, an applicant had to produce reasonable and convincing evidence of the likelihood that a violation affecting them personally would occur; mere suspicion or conjecture was insufficient.”
At issue were clauses that require the president and members of the Council of State, which advises the president, to swear a declaration referring to “Almighty God” when taking office. Judges are required to make a similar oath.
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Brilliant if you read the judgement the Judges looked at the Litigants and pissed themselves laughing at these people thinking they might some day be President .
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I see. The court system is pretty much as I suggested. Tell the relevant Minister to extend that methodology to all situations where an oath is legally required and we're sorted.
https://www.decisis.ie/legal-news/oaths/ (https://www.decisis.ie/legal-news/oaths/)
By: Mark Tottenham BL, on March 8, 2019
Before giving evidence in an Irish court, most witnesses are required to swear an oath to the following effect:
“I swear by Almighty God that the evidence I shall give shall be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.”
The requirement to make the oath in this form arises under the Oaths Act 1909, which sets out the prescribed forms of oaths for Christians and Jews. This is that Christians should hold the New Testament, and Jews should hold the Old Testament when making the oath. The Act preserves the right for a person who is not Christian or Jewish to take an oath in any manner then lawful.
If a witness objects to being sworn on the grounds that he or she has no religious belief, or that the taking of the oath is contrary to his religious belief, he or she is permitted to make a ‘solemn affirmation’ instead, under the Oaths Act 1888.
The legislation has not been updated since independence in the 1920s, nor since the introduction of the constitution in 1937.
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I dont think Rosien or Finley were worried about the Presidential Oath .It was a two faced way of trying to Remove God or Religion from the Constitution /Classroom .You dont always ask for what you want to get what you need .
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A reasonable aspiration, regardless. If traffic congestion around Mosques and the lack thereof around Churches (RC and COI) is anything to go by Islam seems to be the most practiced religion these days up above in Dublin. In any event, a persons religious beliefs ought not inhibit his ability to hold office.
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The most idiotic thing ever to come out of the Dail .TD back tracked on free antigen tests for TDs Senators because it looked bad .Now they will provide FREE tests for Staff other than TDs and Senators .So Irish Dail have actually ruled that you can discriminate against different workers employed at the same premises .
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Of course you can e.g. army officers have access to more/better facilities/accommodation than regular soldiers.
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Of course you can e.g. army officers have access to more/better facilities/accommodation than regular soldiers.
Is it any wonder we have War Ships parked up because we cant get staff and there are more members of the Kinahan Organised Crime Group than the Irish Army .Modern Employees wont stand for that sort of carry on .
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Failed to prepare, hence they were prepared to fail.
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THE EUROPEAN COURT of Human Rights (ECHR) will today rule on a challenge to the wording of the presidential oath in Ireland, which currently requires those elected to swear to “almighty God”.
The Constitution states that the President when entering office must make a declaration “in the presence of Almighty God” about their promise to fulfil their duties and maintain the constitution.
The challenge over this constitutional requirement for the President and a body that advises the president is being taken by TDs Roisin Shortall and John Brady, Senator David Norris, former CEO of Barnardos Fergus Finlay and Trinity College Dublin Chancellor David McConnell.
The applicants claim the declarations required by Article 12.8 and 31.4 of the Constitution “exclude conscientious non-Christians, non-believers and those who do not wish to violate their consciences both from the office of President and from membership of the Council of State”.
They claim that as prominent politicians and members of Irish civil society they can legitimately aspire to being elected to the office of President or to being appointed to the Council of State.
The applicants claim that the requirements for religious declaration for these offices in the Constitution would either prevent them from taking up these offices or require them to make a religious declaration against their conscience.
They also claim that their rights to freedom of thought, conscience and religion under Article 9.1 have been violated by the above requirements.
The case is due to be heard before the European Court of Human Rights this morning.
Weren't both Norris and Finlay presidential candidates?
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And the ECJ judged they were no hopers .Sort of correctly .
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Whats happening with Brexit…..Is food really going up by 30% for xmas….Start your day with a new worry!
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Whats happening with Brexit…..Is food really going up by 30% for xmas….Start your day with a new worry!
Bertie just called the kip a Ghetto .That will please the sash wearers of East Belfast .30% might be about right .
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Arlene was well pleased by Bertie!! lol
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Arlene was well pleased by Bertie!! lol
In 2003 Ahern told the press he broached the subject of Guanama with George W. Bush. He must OF had Ermy as an advisor. 8)
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oops oops oopsEmmy Bullet an Shilver Bullet…2 stray cannons
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Kids Nativity Plays are to be barred but Alan from Virgin can still do his Panto and if the crowds dont come he can get Panto Puppy Dole from the Government .Is this Government anty GOD banned holy Communions and Confos restricted the number at weddings and christenings now banning Kids Christmas plays .A few parents cannot turn up for a kids play but 37.000 can attend a Football match .Makes you wonder if the Church would let a pair of Boys or a pair of Girls get married in the Church would they be so quick to want to close down any religious ceremony .?
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oops oops oopsEmmy Bullet an Shilver Bullet…2 stray cannons
We only kid on Coola, it's only banter.
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... You dont need to swear on the Bible in Court never did .That was just In Perry Mason or Rumpole of the Bailey TV Shows .....
That is not correct John M. I have been in the witness box multiple times about 10 years back and every time I was asked to put my right hand on the bible while swearing the oath. One judge even asked me during a case to put my hand on the bible before answering a particular question.
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... You dont need to swear on the Bible in Court never did .That was just In Perry Mason or Rumpole of the Bailey TV Shows .....
That is not correct John M. I have been in the witness box multiple times about 10 years back and every time I was asked to put my right hand on the bible while swearing the oath. One judge even asked me during a case to put my hand on the bible before answering a particular question.
Ken you never ever had to swear on the Bible in an Irish Court EVER .You may of been asked but you can decline .Why would an Athiest or Muslim swear on that book .and that is all it is a book .What you make in court is your solemn oath to be truthful you may chose to do this in a theatrical way by playing with the Library .
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... You dont need to swear on the Bible in Court never did .That was just In Perry Mason or Rumpole of the Bailey TV Shows .....
That is not correct John M. I have been in the witness box multiple times about 10 years back and every time I was asked to put my right hand on the bible while swearing the oath. One judge even asked me during a case to put my hand on the bible before answering a particular question.
Ken you never ever had to swear on the Bible in an Irish Court EVER .You may of been asked but you can decline .Why would an Athiest or Muslim swear on that book .and that is all it is a book .What you make in court is your solemn oath to be truthful you may chose to do this in a theatrical way by playing with the Library .
Taking the stand
At the trial, you may be one of a number of witnesses who are going to give evidence. Normally you will wait in the court and watch the trial until it is your turn to give evidence. Sometimes you may be asked to leave the court and if that happens, you will be told when to return.
When it is your turn to give evidence, the solicitor or barrister for the person who called you as a witness will stand up and name you as the next witness. You walk up to the front of the court and go into the witness box.
You can take an oath or affirmation. To take an oath, you stand in the witness box and the court registrar hands you a Bible or the holy text for your religion, if it is available. You hold the Bible or holy text and repeat the following oath after the registrar. The oath is "I swear by Almighty God (or whoever is relevant according to your religious belief) that the evidence I shall give shall be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth".
You must tell the registrar if you want to take the affirmation instead of the oath. If the holy text for your religion isn’t available to take the oath, you can take the affirmation instead. The words of the affirmation are "I, do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm that the evidence that I shall give shall be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth". When you have repeated your oath or affirmation, you will sit down.
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Yea, like your case is on a knife-edge and you want to be pissing the Judge off ??
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would you lie in court……to save your life
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would you lie in court……to save your life
Of course, doesn't everyone?
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would you lie in court……to save your life
Of course, doesn't everyone?
I think you need to be a Solicitor or barrister to be allowed lie in court .thats why they dont have to swear on the bible before the match starts .
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would you lie in court……to save your life
Of course, doesn't everyone?
I think you need to be a Solicitor or barrister to be allowed lie in court .thats why they dont have to swear on the bible before the match starts .
Excellent.
Now ing along a Tupac:
2Pac - Only God Can Judge Me - YouTube
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Lyrics
Only God can judge me, is that right?
(Only God can judge me now)
(Only God baby)
Nobody else, nobody else
All you other motherfuckers get out my business
(Only God can judge me now)
Perhaps I was blind to the facts, stabbed in the back
I couldn't trust my own homies just a bunch a dirty rats
Will I, succeed, paranoid from the weed
And hocus pocus try to focus but I can't see
And in my mind I'ma blind man doin' time
Look to my future 'cause my past, is all behind me
Is it a crime, to fight, for what is mine?
Everybody's dyin' tell me what's the use of tryin'
I've been trapped since birth, cautious, 'cause I'm cursed
And fantasies of my family, in a hearse
And they say it's the white man I should fear
But, it's my own kind doin' all the killin' here
I can't lie, ain't no love for the other side
Jealousy inside, make 'em wish I died
Oh my Lord, tell me what I'm livin' for
Everybody's droppin' got me knockin' on heaven's door
And all my memories, of seein' brothers bleed
And everybody grieves, but still nobody sees
Recollect your thoughts don't get caught up in the mix
'Cause the media is full of dirty tricks
Only God can judge me
(Only God can judge me, only God)
That's right baby, yeah baby
Only God can judge me
Only God can judge me
(Only God can judge me, only God)
Only God can judge me
And only God can
Only God can judge me
(Only God can judge me, only God)
Only God can judge me
(Only God can judge me now)
Flatline
I hear the doctor standing over me screamin' I can make it
Got a body full of bullet holes layin' here naked
Still I, can't breathe, somethings evil in my IV
'Cause every time I breathe, I think they killin' me
I'm having nightmares, homicidal fantasies
I wake up stranglin', danglin' my bed sheets
I call the nurse 'cause it hurts, to reminisce
How did it come to this? I wish they didn't miss
Somebody help me, tell me where to go from here
'Cause even thugs cry, but do the Lord care?
Try to remember, but it hurts
I'm walkin' through the cemetery talkin' to the dirt
I'd rather die like a man, than live like a coward
There's a ghetto up in Heaven and it's ours, Black Power
Is what we scream as we dream in a paranoid state
And our fate, is a lifetime I hate
Dear mama, can you save me? And fuck peace
'Cause the streets got our babies, we gotta eat
No more hesitation each and every black male's trapped
And they wonder why we suicidal runnin' 'round strapped
Mista, Police, please try to see that it's
A million motherfuckers stressin' just like me
Only God can judge me
(Only God can judge me, only God)
Only God can judge me
(Only God can judge me, only God)
Only God can judge me
(Only God can judge me, only God)
Only God can judge me
Only God can judge me now
(Only God can judge me, only God)
Only God can judge me
Only God can judge me now
That which does not kill me can only make me stronger
(That's for real)
And I don't see why everybody feel as though
That they gotta tell me how to live my life
(You know?)
Let me live baby, let me live
Pac I feel ya, keep servin' it on the reala
For instance say a playa hatin' mark is out to kill ya
Would you be wrong, for buckin' a nigga to the pavement?
He gon' get me first, if I don't get him fool start prayin'
Ain't no such thing as self-defense in the court of law
So judge us when we get to where
We're goin' wearin' a cross, that's real
Got him, lurked him, crept the fuck up on him
Sold a half a million tapes now everybody want him
After talkin' behind my back like a bitch would
Tellin' them niggaz, "You can fade him", punk I wish you would
It be them same motherfuckers in
Your face that'll rush up in your place
To get your safe, knowin' you on that paper chase
Grass, glass, big screen and leather couch
My new shit is so fetti already sold a key of ounce
Bitch, remember Tupac and 4-Tay
Them same two brothers dodgin' bullets representin' the Bay
Pac when you was locked down, that's when I'll be around
Start climbing up the charts, so sick, but they tried to clown
That's why they ride the bandwagon still be draggin' sellin' lies
Don't think I don't see you haters, I know you all in disguise
Guess you figure you know me 'cause I'm a thug
That love to hit the late night club, drink then buzz
Been livin' lavish like a player all day
Now I'm 'bout to floss 'em off, player shit with 4-Tay
Only God can judge me
(Only God can judge me, only God)
Only God can judge me
(Only God can judge me, only God)
That's real
Only God can judge me
(Only God can judge me now)
Only God can judge me
(Only God can judge me, only God)
Only God can judge me
(Only God can judge me, only God)
Only God can judge me
(Only God can judge me now)
Only God man
That right?
That's real
(Only God can judge me now)
Fuck everybody else, yaknowhatI'msayin'?
(Only God can judge me now)
Man, look here man
My only fear of death is comin' back to this bitch reincarnated
(Only God can judge me now)
That's for the homey mental
We up out
(Only God can judge me now)
Only God can judge me now
Only God can judge me now
Only God can judge me now 8)
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Did Biggy Smalls not give him his final judgement ?
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Did Biggy Smalls not give him his final judgement ?
The jury's out on that one!
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Did Biggy Smalls not give him his final judgement ?
The jury's out on that one!
Were they sworn in?
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it’s a lie
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Did Biggy Smalls not give him his final judgement ?
The jury's out on that one!
Were they sworn in?
In Caucasian English Biggie Smalls translates to - Large underpants. rofl
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European Court of Justice interfearing again .They say Dwyer the Murderers Phone should not of been interfeared with so should not of been allowed in evidence .I would bet coin Gerry Hutch will go to the ECJ for a ruling on what was recorded in his car .Saying that as the Car crossed the border the Garda did not retain a proper Chain of Evidence as Garda have no authority in the UK .Beginning to see why the Brits want the ECJ removed from the Brexit deal .You dont know what reason or logic Liberal Pinko Judges in Europe will use .
100%. For the Pinko Greeners to properly triumph, God must officially be put to the sword. They hate God those Greener Pinkos. Nobody ever wonders why. Could it be they're working for the other guy? Just asking
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Charm .Look at Christianity .You can now get Divorced ,Aborted ,Same Sex Marriage ,Euthanasian in certain Christian Countries .Religion Christian Religion is Dead now the Problem is what is there for People to Believe in .Jews ,Muslims ,Seiks,Buddists didnt adapt their faith to suit the Google Facebook My Space generations .