Irish Taxi Forum
Public Area => Taxi Talk => Topic started by: John m on March 20, 2022, 12:16:18 pm
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Why did Free Now or Bolt or Uber not inform their Customers that drivers were entitled to charge extra on the 18th .
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On one level, maybe it's because drivers set the pricing (subject to the rules). If FN, for example, started telling us what price to set, we might be considered under their control and therefore 'employees' and then we'd be entitled to all the benefits of such.
Or maybe they were afraid passengers would desert to a rival app... So they all kept their mouth shut! Remember Bolt is only doing well because they're giving away free or nearly free taxi rides.
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There's also a good chance nobody in either app knew.None of the keyboard monkeys are likely to be Irish and deffo not likely to be taxi drivers.The apps are automated...that's why they're so shite.All the important people behind these apps were likely on the piss for the weekend with the rest of the country or off abroad for the weekend.
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It would not serve them to promote drivers interests while they are trying to Compete with UBER and the other crowd you are all promoting who also didnt promote or advise DRIVERS INTERESTS .Wake the FUCK UP .
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These people behind the apps don't care as it was a once off.They're not drivers.They still get a profit on tariff one.
Most wouldn't charge it knowing they'd have to explain the extra charges to drunks or would just take the day off.
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Merch the point im making is they care not one single fuck about drivers .Wait till they decide if you are liveried up as a Free Now you cannot do other App work .They can write that into our agreement and then sdesign their app not to work along side any other on the same device .Your Car your licence your costs THEIR profits .As the RAt says about Crypto it will all end in tears The taxi industry will also end in tears .The Apps will own the trade and you will do as you are told .Imagine investing good money into this trade !
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They own the trade already.The bit of cash you might be finding is only a small part of the industry.Drivers don't care about handing over work to apps as they know every second street fare wants to pay by card anyway so what's the point in ignoring the apps.
I had a busy day today and the two street fares I got to the airport both tried to pay by card at the drop off.They didn't even ask if I took card.They just assumed I did.That's the new normal and the passengers don't give a fuk.
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Merch I did some work on an App with Amazon a few years ago I know a little .Here is a suggestion First why do people like apps .SO they can pay by card .Now is the really simple bit .Why not set up a Drivers app get the Department of Transport on side .It will be a Hail only app .Watch the new Transport for Ireland TV advert they want integrated transport .If the Dep of Trans set it up it could be on condition EVERY TAXI has Card Facilities .So drivers would be responsible for collecting fares not UBER ,Free Now or BOLT but drivers .The taxi bill says all drivers should be cash free .Cash free is code for take cards .I know certain Fucktards who have destroyed this industry trying to settle old pre dereg scores are afraid of Card payments thinking the tax man will know how much you earn and it might leave a record of your trip from point to point and show you are fucking about with the farecard .The answer is really simple take the commercial service providers out of the equation and give it back to the industry a few notes extra on the Licence renewal would cover the costs in fact a properly run app could save both the state and drivers coin at no extra charge .If work went to nearest driver the savings on travel .Emissions and Road erosions by empty cars could be self financing it would also reduce congestion .The only advantage the Apps had was they accept card payments but now Sum Up ,Revolute ,Square .Google Pay ,Apple Pay and many others are just a click away .We no longer need what they are offering just a simple hail app is all that is required we can look after the money ourselves .
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Free now did ,a notification on the app
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Same reason the nta told us to tell the passengers( apes) .....the row be with us n the apes ....same wit freenow ...if freenow told them of the 20% hike ...the apes wud blame them ....bit like devileera tellin Collins to meet the brits to sign away the 6 county's so the apes shot Collins instead of the American cnut
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Free now did ,a notification on the app
Can you post it ?
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State won't compete with private enterprise, " abusing their monopoly position". They should have done it before the privates got involved.
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Free now did ,a notification on the app
Can you post it ?
Think it was a link to the Nta site free now had.
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18 March 2022 is a once-off public holiday in recognition of the efforts of the general public, volunteers and all workers during the COVID-19 pandemic, and in remembrance of people who lost their lives due to the COVID-19 pandemic.
Taxi drivers are entitled to a Premium Rate fare on public holidays, Sundays and at night under the Maximum Fares Order 2017. This higher rate is programmed into the taximeter which automatically calculates it when due. As 18 March is a once-off public holiday, it is not in the taximeter software and was impossible to change quickly enough. The taximeter in your vehicle will calculate the day as an ordinary day on the Standard Rate. Therefore, on 18 March, from 8am to 8pm, taxi drivers are entitled to add the difference in the rates onto the fare shown on the taximeter.
The increase from Standard Fare to Premium Fare permitted by NTA averages approximately 20% (or one fifth) to be added onto the fare shown on the taximeter at the end of the journey.
If you plan on operating on the 18 March 2022 from 8am to 8pm, please ensure you have the below printed in your vehicle.
Was a link to latest spsv news .
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State won't compete with private enterprise, " abusing their monopoly position". They should have done it before the privates got involved.
Robbie you are looking at what I said and not interpreting it correctly .The taxi review 2012 which is the blueprint for the industry allows for the State to Develope an app .They wanted us all in off road ranks .We would all be in a virtual rank in the app which is off road not blocking cycle lanes .A taxi hale app would be a bit like the bus app just telling customers when the next vehicle is coming as it would not be making or taking any money it would have no commercial value therefor it would not be competing with commercial interests .
More importantly the taxi review 2012 stated that we should all be cashless.Cashless does not mean we refuse to take cash just that we have facilities to take card .There is an opening on the TAC for a drivers Rep .Whoever that is should insist that ALL taxis MUST accept Card Payments Card facilities should be part of the suitability .This should be advertised by the NTA on TV a big campaign to inform customers that ALL taxis MUST TAKE CARD .That would give back a huge amount of Direct Customer work to drivers as a lot of people choose to use an app as they do not carry cash (how often are you asked do you take card )You can have a Hailo sticker a shiney letter or a union sticker on your roofie but you cannot display the recognized signage that you take card .Nowhere in what I said did I go outside the Taxi review 2012 in suggesting a digital rank and cashless payments its all in the Industry blueprint .
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It's much easier just go leave things as they are.There is a sticker available from the NTA to promote card payments.As soon as you make it part of the suitability they'll want some elaborate set up that costs a lot more than a sum up terminal.Freenow, Bolt and Uber can discipline drivers by switching them off their platform.Thr NTA don't want to deal with any of that.There's too many thieving cunts in the fleet.
If some new app came along they'd need to be charging something on top of the card fees.If it could be done cheaply already someone else would have stepped in.
The new lads starting in the industry would likely go home if their smartphones stopped working.The don't know any different.Just get the next fiver and enjoy your last few years in the indistry.
By the way most of my commission is convered by the PUC so I don't see problem.I usually don't take jobs far away from where I'm at.
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I knew you could put a credit card sticker on the roofsign but I didn't know there was an 'official' one! The NTA really does love plastic stickers on taxis ::) I wonder if they're readily available to buy?
https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Licence_Renewal_Inspection_Manual_Web_Version_26-02-2018_PDF.pdf (https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Licence_Renewal_Inspection_Manual_Web_Version_26-02-2018_PDF.pdf) (pg 31)
(https://i.ibb.co/KKCPt1v/Roofsign.jpg)
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When did the rule change that you could put that on the roofie .If we got some bigger ones for the rear doors I bet we would win back customers from the Apps especially late at night when passengers have gargled all their coin .Do the NTA provide them .I see its the last item in the Document .They kept that quiet why did they not issue them to ALL frivers to promote use ???
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Erm you're on here more than me that stuff was discussed on Roy's place years ago.We've passed the point of no return with the apps.
I remember thinking or someone else saying that it was a poxy design.It doesn't really look like a credit card to me.
I like cash myself and am in no hurry to promote card usage off the street.The fees are still too high.
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Same PDF doc but page 24. Under advertising...
Requirements
Only the official card acceptance logo may be displayed, see Fig 1, Page 31.
Signage/adverts displayed on rear doors cannot exceed 1600 cm2 in area (per door)
Reasons for failure
Unofficial credit/debit card logo
Sign(s) on a rear door exceeding 1600 cm2 in area
I wonder could you get the official CC logo blown up to 1600cm2 (40cm sq) & stick it on the rear doors? Might look stupid though?
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The NTA design isn't great.But you can put whatever you want on the doors as long as it's not offensive and within the size limits.A simple " card payments accepted" would get the message across.
We've already got a problem with Freenow cash customers trying to pay by card after we've got them in the car.I personally wouldn't be trying to encourage them.Most are too dumb to understand why we don't like paying 17% commission on our work.
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Same PDF doc but page 24. Under advertising...
Requirements
Only the official card acceptance logo may be displayed, see Fig 1, Page 31.
Signage/adverts displayed on rear doors cannot exceed 1600 cm2 in area (per door)
Reasons for failure
Unofficial credit/debit card logo
Sign(s) on a rear door exceeding 1600 cm2 in area
I wonder could you get the official CC logo blown up to 1600cm2 (40cm sq) & stick it on the rear doors? Might look stupid though?
Im looking into that for the rear door .
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Fuck that. A "Cash Only" sign is what you want ifn you work after midnight of a weekend. They can't deny a man his right to legal tender. To do so would make paying the fare optional and would invalidate PSV insurance as a contract can't exist without consideration.
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Fuck that. A "Cash Only" sign is what you want ifn you work after midnight of a weekend. They can't deny a man his right to legal tender. To do so would make paying the fare optional and would invalidate PSV insurance as a contract can't exist without consideration.
Big Dommos sisters youngfellas youngone works doing something in a place .I asked her how much money she gets a week after she told me to fuck off and mind me oen business .I said just make up a figure I dont care how much you earn im not going to tell your oulfella so he wont increase your handup .She said 400 a week I said do you get that in twenty or Fifty euro notes .She said no its paid into me bank .So what she gets is 400 tradeable tokens she pays for her taxi with tradeable tokens the taxi driver pays for motion lotion with tradeable tokens .Imagine if they want Cash they must pay the bank to turn tradeable tokens into paper and metal .Think about it .There are people alive today who never ever received Cash Money in return for work unless the Ma or Day gave then a fiver for washing up or keeping their room clean .
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Legal tender is legal tender. That's what we're entitled to and what constitutes consideration in establishing contractual obligations.
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i decided i hadta gerra sumup machine after a desperate incident i had. i dropped a fairly elderly yank lady upta the radisson airport. a long the way i could hear her sayin on her phone to someone that she fell and banjaxed her back and she hadta cut her holiday in ireland short and go back to america. when i stopped she handed me a card and i said sorry i don't take cards. i knew she was bollocksed out of it so i said i'll pop back later on tonight. just gimme your room number and i'll let myself in and rifle your purse. no i'm going back to america this evenin where's the nearest atm. in the fuckin airport i says and she took off with a really bad hobble. she came out 15 minutes later. took her another 15 minutes to reach my car. walkin sideways like a crippled crab she was. appalling it was.
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https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/J.213002-NTA-Taxi-Driver-Presentation-NTA-Final.pdf (https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/J.213002-NTA-Taxi-Driver-Presentation-NTA-Final.pdf)
(pg 50 of 69)
You're late to the game. According to the latest taxi survey, ~80% of taxi drivers now offer cashless payments (if I'm reading the graphs correctly). In other words, passengers are more likely to meet a driver who takes cards than a driver who does not.
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https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/J.213002-NTA-Taxi-Driver-Presentation-NTA-Final.pdf (https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/J.213002-NTA-Taxi-Driver-Presentation-NTA-Final.pdf)
(pg 50 of 69)
You're late to the game. According to the latest taxi survey, ~80% of taxi drivers now offer cashless payments (if I'm reading the graphs correctly). In other words, passengers are more likely to meet a driver who takes cards than a driver who does not.
How many of that 80% are referring to using an app .We should have big fuck off door stickers saying we take card .I have had conversations with customers who complain that they cant app a cab late at night .I say its because of the commission when there is plenty of street work .They say they use the app as they dont have any cash .I just wonder how much work we could claim back if we ALL offered Card Facilities ?
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How many of that 80% are referring to using an app .We should have big fuck off door stickers saying we take card .I have had conversations with customers who complain that they cant app a cab late at night .I say its because of the commission when there is plenty of street work .They say they use the app as they dont have any cash .I just wonder how much work we could claim back if we ALL offered Card Facilities ?
The graphs are hard to understand but I *think* 76% of the 80% have something like sumup and 67% of the 80% also have an app. So there's a lot of overlap, I think?
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You mighta been right about the 18th surcharge, erm... The 25% bonus from Bolt yesterday certainly made a difference. In fact, if one was to attempt to quantify it one would suggest it increased relevant takings by a quarter... but then, that applied for 24 hours i.e. including fares after 19:59:59.
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35% from Midnight RC!!
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Had a bit of that... It's on again today... might have to watch tonights darts tomorrow!
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I've had a bit of it all week so far.....and even some of Bolts bonus!!
You guessed it Marky.....all fukin week!!
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Didn't bother last night, I was far too tired after a spot of grass cutting... didn't go to work either, Hal. 20% tonight... sure that's no more than the day men coulda got on the 18th ifn they wanted it... but still, something is better than nothing, I guess.