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Public Area => Taxi Talk => Topic started by: John m on July 14, 2022, 08:55:54 am
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Took part last Night in an Online PAID discussion about Electric Cars with local Councillors and Car distributors from the EU and GB .All very Positive they were selling the Emissions bit of it .I had to ask a Question to justify me 80 euro fee . This was My Question .Will Ev lead to more Traffic Congestion ?I let the question sit and waited for an answer. The answer was thats a silly /Stupid Question .Is it I asked ,How long does it take to fill a tank of Petrol ?How long will it take to recharge a Battery ?Where are these cars going to park when they are charging ?Will they not be congesting Existing parking spaces how many hundred thousand more parking spaces will need to be created for cars that are unable to drive as they do not have a charge unlike instant refuellable Petrol and Diesel Cars .Even with super chargers taking about 40 minutes to fully charge a car you would need to allocate a huge amount of roadspace to charging facilities and if you had commercial charging Parks then unlike a Garage in out and full in under 5 minutes it would take upwards of an Hour to recharge your vehicle .If you include an Hour of your Time every time you have to drive to one of these facilities even if only once a week that is 52 hours a year of wasted time that is no longer available to industry or Commerce for productive use .Add in the Cost per hour of your time .Can any real economic argument be made for changing from Fossil fuel to Electric and can any real Green Credentials for the manufacture of EVs and batteries .I proposed that Hydrogen not Electric was the fuel of the future But also suggested that Hydrogens only emission was water which will evaporate into the atmosphere creating more Cloud and possibly leading to a different type of Global warming or Climate Change .Even if every public car parking spot was EV friendly you would need to park for a minimum of an hour to recharge .If you could find a parking space ?
My follow up remark was .Was it not possible to create a removeable reuseable Cathalythic Converter that could trap emissions and be removed and cleaned with every service .The reply was Yes they already exist but it would be impossible to retrofit all existing cars world wide .I then asked will it be easier to replace all Fossil Fueled Cars and rewire the world to charge them .I remarked on the Parochial thinking of Scientists who only saw the issue from the window of their office and not the real world .And the real Political agenda of EVs was to stop exporting Cash for Fuel to Arabs and Russians who didnt play the big monopoly game of life that funds the rest of the World Saudis dont wear Wrangler Drink Bud smoke Marlboro or buy Britney Spears Concert Tickets they compete in the Auction Rooms against Hedge Funds to but Property and Land .Evs are just a ploy by Western Governments to get Westerners to stop using Foreign Fuels and funding THEIR Opposition .
I dont think my remarks went down to well with most but a Lad from the West Midlands University thought my remarks bore further examination .
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@ Watty I was thinking of you when I remarked about the loss of Productivity .How many hours a week do you spend recharging .If you put a value on that time does Electricity work out any cheaper than Dirty Diesel ?
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TOYOTA SHOWCASES EXPERIMENTAL HYDROGEN-POWERED GR YARIS
• Concept shares same powertrain as experimental hydrogen-powered Corolla Sport, currently racing in Super Taikyu race series in Japan
• Powered by modified GR Yaris engine to use hydrogen as fuel
• Hydrogen combustion engine technology delivers almost zero emissions while retaining the acoustic and sensory sensations typical for combustion engines
• Development continues through harsh conditions of motorsport in Japan
Toyota today showcased its experimental hydrogen-powered combustion engine technology in the multiple award-winning GR Yaris.
The hydrogen fuel, fuel tanks and refuelling process of the experimental vehicle are the same as found in the Mirai, Toyota’s commercially available flagship fuel cell electric vehicle.
However, whilst the Mirai employs chemical reaction in the fuel cells to generate energy, the experimental GR Yaris features an internal combustion engine with hydrogen as the fuel.
While the hydrogen combustion engine technology is still in the early stages of conceptual development and experimentation, which started in 2017 and not yet ready for commercialisation, Toyota’s experimental hydrogen-powered Corolla Sport is already delivering high performance at motorsport events in Japan with almost zero tailpipe emissions.
The hydrogen-powered experimental GR Yaris and the Corolla Sport both feature the same G16E-GTS, 1.6-litre, in-line 3-cylinder, turbocharged engine that is found in the award-winning GR Yaris, but with a modified fuel supply and injection system for use with hydrogen as fuel.
The experimental hydrogen-powered Corolla Sport has already been competing in the Super Taikyu race series in Japan since May this year under the ROOKIE Racing arm of Toyota GAZOO Racing where the team has taken on the challenge to test the experimental hydrogen combustion engine under the harsh environments of motorsport.
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Where is Panel he understands most of this stuff ....The hydrogen-powered experimental GR Yaris and the Corolla Sport both feature the same G16E-GTS, 1.6-litre, in-line 3-cylinder, turbocharged engine that is found in the award-winning GR Yaris, but with a modified fuel supply and injection system for use with hydrogen as fuel.....Could an existing Car be modified by changing the fuel and injection system just like you can convert a Petrol car to run on LPG?
Could EVs be obsolete before they even get popular ?
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Doesn't watty an everyone else charge ther car wen they in the scratcher Johnny?
Anyway I say it to meself every mornin or wen I'm pondering a problem :-\ ....." energy cannot be created nor destroyed....
How much does it cost to produce hydrogen?
An how much fossil fuel is used in the process ?
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Doesn't watty an everyone else charge ther car wen they in the scratcher Johnny?
Anyway I say it to meself every mornin or wen I'm pondering a problem :-\ ....." energy cannot be created nor destroyed....
How much does it cost to produce hydrogen?
An how much fossil fuel is used in the process ?
Think Watty charges off site his home was not compliant for Charger .I dont know how they make Hydrogen or Electricity or Guinness .But if Toyota are saying what I think they are saying then EVs are obsolete before they are popular .If they only need to change the Fuel tank and the Injection system they are already up and running building Engines and Cars .They would save Billions in Retooling Costs that EV builders would need to spend on Plant and Tooling .I came across this when I was looking into Jasmy Sports links .Hydrogen is the most plentyfull free atom in the universe Two to one mix with Oxygen H2Oto make water .Your Japanese they never try to reinvent the wheel just try make it better .
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IPR50-soNA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IPR50-soNA)
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@ Watty I was thinking of you when I remarked about the loss of Productivity .How many hours a week do you spend recharging .If you put a value on that time does Electricity work out any cheaper than Dirty Diesel ?
I do a mix of home (3 pin) and external charging at the moment. So about 70 mins a week at an external charger. How long do you spend waiting on the Heuston rank?
IMHO, it's impossible to price this time since we spend a huge amount of our day waiting for a fare. Just ask the keshies how much time they spend driving!
I don't do it myself but some leave the apps on so if they get a job they just unplug and away they go...
BTW the average person would probably charge once a week, at home, while they're sleeping.
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Transport seems to be one of those industries that changes rapidly then they realize that it was not what they thought it would be .I really Wonder will Private Money invest in Charging Points and will Councils build enough .Concord was going to change world travel .Hovercrafts were going to solve the Britian French Crossing even Ireland embraced the Jet Foil spent billions on all these projects .Now they are almost obsolete .We were told change to Diesel Cars to save the Earth .There are 3 cars in my house I can imagine the fighting for the Plug !
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Energy like everything else will be decentralised..solar panels , wind turbines and geothermal heating in every home and office ...ther will be resistance from big energy companies but climate crisis will lead the way .
Hydrogen is a non runner as it produces heat, is inefficient to produce and highly dangerous to store at 10,000 psi in a vehicle or anywhere else ...
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Energy like everything else will be decentralised..solar panels , wind turbines and geothermal heating in every home and office ...ther will be resistance from big energy companies but climate crisis will lead the way .
Hydrogen is a non runner as it produces heat, is inefficient to produce and highly dangerous to store at 10,000 psi in a vehicle or anywhere else ...
When your right your right Occi .Do subs have Nuclear Powered engines ?
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Energy like everything else will be decentralised..solar panels , wind turbines and geothermal heating in every home and office ...ther will be resistance from big energy companies but climate crisis will lead the way .
Hydrogen is a non runner as it produces heat, is inefficient to produce and highly dangerous to store at 10,000 psi in a vehicle or anywhere else ...
When your right your right Occi .Do subs have Nuclear Powered engines ?
Yes they do ....fossil fuels and nuclear powered military vehicles will be reserved for the military obviously and environmental damage will come second to national security.......flying to tenerife for yur holiers will become a thing of the past tho
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Occi Im surprised at you buying into this Bullshit .In 50 years we will be burning more oil and gas than we do now .The real problem is Indians and Africans burning sticks and Camel Shit to cook on .Healy Wrays say Kill all Wilderbeasts and Elephants they serve no purpose throw in Giraffes as well .If the Yanks had of gotten the Right Man in power in Iran,Iraq,Libia Venezuela Oil would be 50c a liter and Elon Musk would be working in Mc Donalds .
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Occi Im surprised at you buying into this Bullshit .In 50 years we will be burning more oil and gas than we do now .The real problem is Indians and Africans burning sticks and Camel Shit to cook on .Healy Wrays say Kill all Wilderbeasts and Elephants they serve no purpose throw in Giraffes as well .If the Yanks had of gotten the Right Man in power in Iran,Iraq,Libia Venezuela Oil would be 50c a liter and Elon Musk would be working in Mc Donalds .
Climate change is bullshit?
I think it's already too late ...the human ape is a cosmic virus ...in 50 years its doubtful weel even be around ....the logical conclusion is nucleur armageddon
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Occi Im surprised at you buying into this Bullshit .In 50 years we will be burning more oil and gas than we do now .The real problem is Indians and Africans burning sticks and Camel Shit to cook on .Healy Wrays say Kill all Wilderbeasts and Elephants they serve no purpose throw in Giraffes as well .If the Yanks had of gotten the Right Man in power in Iran,Iraq,Libia Venezuela Oil would be 50c a liter and Elon Musk would be working in Mc Donalds .
Climate change is bullshit?
I think it's already too late ...the human ape is a cosmic virus ...in 50 years its doubtful weel even be around ....the logical conclusion is nucleur armageddon
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Is Climate Change the same as Global warming ?What ever happened to Acid Rain .Its a Natural Phenomenon the Jet Stream Moves all the time .Big Dommos Great Great ancestor .Worked for Pharo Block Masons in Egypt hung around the Flats with Cleo and Sharon from the Gaffs near the Flats .Anyway one day he was walking his Jackal and bumped into Phinney the Elder who was complaining about the weather .He said if this Jet stream keeps moving the lands will turn to desert and the Egyptian Civilization will Fall .Sothern Europe is becoming uninhabitable for the same reason the Jet Stream is moving .Its a Natural Phenomenon not Man Made .Man is just cashing in selling Snake Oil .Stand outside in your Garden feel the heat radiating back into space from your driveway now multiply that by billions of miles or Roads Paths Roofs all reflecting heat back into space .The earth is covered in concrete cannot absorb the heat naturally causes huge radiation .Look at the amount of the earth covered in concrete and the increase in earths temperature and see if they match up .
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@ Watty I was thinking of you when I remarked about the loss of Productivity .How many hours a week do you spend recharging .If you put a value on that time does Electricity work out any cheaper than Dirty Diesel ?
I do a mix of home (3 pin) and external charging at the moment. So about 70 mins a week at an external charger. How long do you spend waiting on the Heuston rank?
IMHO, it's impossible to price this time since we spend a huge amount of our day waiting for a fare. Just ask the keshies how much time they spend driving!
I don't do it myself but some leave the apps on so if they get a job they just unplug and away they go...
BTW the average person would probably charge once a week, at home, while they're sleeping.
Assuming the average driver does eight hours a day, or four hours a night, surely a type one or type two home charger would be sufficient?
Everyone ignores the amount of time the taxi is idle in the garden or outside the flat. A cosy could be the answer.
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If we assume most EVs have a 60kwH battery, then the house wall charger will pump out 6-7kW/hr and the 3 pin plug will do 2-3kW/hr. I need (very approx) 24kWh for my shift so you can do the maths from that.
The downside of the 3 pin method (granny charger) is that you're pumping ~12 Amps through the plug for hours at a time. If your plug (&/or extension cable) is not up to it, it could melt the socket, the plug, the cable and I guess set the house on fire! Having said that, plenty of people are happy to do that. I only do it while I'm awake otherwise I think I'd probably be able to 3pin home charge all the time (3kWh x 8 hrs = 24kWh). Realistically though, I don't think your average house wiring/sockets are designed for that sort of continuous ampage. Hence, my split between home charging and external charging.
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Is Climate Change the same as Global warming ?
Yes.
Global Warning was the first catchphrase but too many people, myself included, thought "bring it on, we all want hot summers!" So they changed it to Climate Change to better reinforce what's we're doing to the planet.
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Wont be any change….left soon! As Carl Sagan said about Climate Change….The reason that steps are not taken to modify the changes are because, we say…why should we have to pay for something that may happen in the future. ::cheers
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@john m, JCB have hydrogen combustion engines in development now to go on sale in around 2030 for all their heavy equipment. They said making the equipment electric in any form even hydrogen electric would push the price from around 350,000 to over 700,000 pounds for an excavator. Plus it saves outside jobs in the manufacturer of internal combustion engine parts for the factory and mechanics as well, as all parts and materials are got in the UK and Europe. Plus the engine's can be retrofitted to diesel powered machines in the future if needed.
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Bring back breast feeding the shovel gangs
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Im a bit slow on that one??
Give us a clue
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Before mechanical diggers came along all roadworks hole digging were done by jackhammer and crew with shovels.
While on break from shoveling they used to lean on shovel with the top of handle against their chest ( breast feeding )
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Should our electricity bills be called The Charge of the Light Brigade?
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Should our electricity bills be called The Charge of the Light Brigade?
Are any of our so called reps in Talks with government or Dep of Transport or Environment to get a one off Fuel Subsidy Grant for us in line with Grants proposed for other Small businesses ?
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Home chargers are grand if you live in a house.
Most EVs have a 7 year battery:
Car value plummets after 2-4 years
Brand new EV taxi effectively has a 7 year licence max.
ID4 tyres €300+ per corner .
EVs would need to be traded in after 2-3 years imho.
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€300 a tyre..that's crazy.I hate paying €115 for mine.
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Home chargers are grand if you live in a house.
Most EVs have a 7 year battery:
Car value plummets after 2-4 years
Brand new EV taxi effectively has a 7 year licence max.
ID4 tyres €300+ per corner .
EVs would need to be traded in after 2-3 years imho.
Read somewhere Eamo the Scallion wants to put a 20Euro recycling charge on Tyres to be paid at time of purchase .Seems that rubber erosion is putting particles into the atmosphere .How much recycling charge on bike tyres or tubes ? Save the Rubber Plants they are People Too.? They are also concerned about brake pad erosion another TAX ?They are going to tax motorists off the roads they spent hundreds of Billions to build .
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€300 a tyre..that's crazy.I hate paying €115 for mine.
So I`m told , might be horseshit though.
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It's possible Bubba if they're the ones VW recommend for maximum efficiency and performance.Some of the wheels on those yokes are massive.
There are a few lads in Skoda Enyaq sporty versions and they must be on 19/20 inch rims.They're like truck tyres.
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SO THIS IS THE PLAN RREAD THE NUMBERS WE ARE ALL GOING TO DRIVE ELECTRIC MOTORCARS BECAUSE THEY ARE BETTER for the environment Coastal EU states commit to creating enough wind energy to supply 10% of union’s needs
Dublin Declaration signed by nine EU coastal states vows to increase power generated from offshore wind by 2050 .So 10% of the EU needs by 2050 where the fuck is the rest coming from .This is all bolloxology and being exposed as bolloxology 10% by 2050 .So 90% is still going to be generated by non Green methods .How much will it cost to fill a battery with Gas or oil generated energy .You couldnt make this stuff up even if you inhaled a load of Eamo Herb or CoCoa Dust .GET A HIACE and a holster for your GUN .
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SO THIS IS THE PLAN RREAD THE NUMBERS WE ARE ALL GOING TO DRIVE ELECTRIC MOTORCARS BECAUSE THEY ARE BETTER for the environment Coastal EU states commit to creating enough wind energy to supply 10% of union’s needs
Dublin Declaration signed by nine EU coastal states vows to increase power generated from offshore wind by 2050 .So 10% of the EU needs by 2050 where the fuck is the rest coming from .This is all bolloxology and being exposed as bolloxology 10% by 2050 .So 90% is still going to be generated by non Green methods .How much will it cost to fill a battery with Gas or oil generated energy .You couldnt make this stuff up even if you inhaled a load of Eamo Herb or CoCoa Dust .GET A HIACE and a holster for your GUN .
Eamo is gonna have to build a nuke station or 4
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So after all his Bolloxology we are aiming for 10% of wind energy by 2050 .To hear him tell it we were going to be supplying Sollyhull and Clethorpes with wind generated energy by the week after the not next but the next one after that FA Cup final .We were going to be nett exporters of Energy .This 10% is EU policy and they actually signed a deal to reach this heigh water line for energy supply .Some of Putins mates are already supplying more than that today .Its all beginning to fall apart now Putins Gas cutoff has exposed it .Wind Energy is not the Future .
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JUst when you thought the madness was ending ......Ireland must cut its dairy and beef herd numbers in half, plant enough trees to cover county Dublin five times over, and rewet almost all its drained grasslands, to reach its legally binding ‘net zero’ carbon target by 2050.
That’s according to University of Limerick and University of Galway scientists, published in the journal Nature Sustainability,
“There is no easy way out of this,” says Dr David Styles, associate professor in Agricultural Sustainability at the University of Galway.
“If we are serious about getting to climate neutrality there has to be huge abatement achieved in agriculture.
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€300 a tyre..that's crazy.I hate paying €115 for mine.
So I`m told , might be horseshit though.
I think you're right. My MG5 has 'normal' 16 inch wheels. But what put me off the other EV's was their 19/20inch tyres & the expense of changing them! They're probably fine if you're a Mammy doing 10k/yr but we drive much more over all sorts of roads.
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JUst when you thought the madness was ending ......Ireland must cut its dairy and beef herd numbers in half, plant enough trees to cover county Dublin five times over, and rewet almost all its drained grasslands, to reach its legally binding ‘net zero’ carbon target by 2050.
That’s according to University of Limerick and University of Galway scientists, published in the journal Nature Sustainability,
“There is no easy way out of this,” says Dr David Styles, associate professor in Agricultural Sustainability at the University of Galway.
“If we are serious about getting to climate neutrality there has to be huge abatement achieved in agriculture.
Makes sense:
- The agriculture industry contributes a huge amount of pollution compared to other EU countries.
- We have extremely low % of forestry land compared to other EU countries.
Really, we're just bringing ourselves up to the EU averages.
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Was watching bob flavins channel, and he was saying he got a message from a taxi driver or it was passed on to him from someone else that he was heading of to work and his Nissan leaf would not go, so he got it taken to the dealership and he thought it was under guarantee, so they checked it over and said the main drive battery has failed and it would cost 14,000 euro to replace, he said its still under guarantee, and they said its done over the 160,000 kms, it time or range which ever comes first. So he is in a spot of bother after listening to government and environmentalists that don't have a fucking clue about cars and how some driver do huge mileage. I heard a few weeks ago about a taxi driver in cork with an iconic 5 years old 246,000km with main battery fail. The guanine pigs are starting to fall.
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::fds Well, that only took a month to recycle!
Met a bloke earlier telling me his mates 2018 Nissan leaf stopped working a few thousand miles out of warranty.(180k).Nissan wanted €750 Just to diagnose the problem and then wanted €18000 for a new battery after diagnostics found a fault..The story sounded genuine to me if a little bit scary.I think the driver works up in Gala taxis and is driving something else now.I'm assuming the car is a write off.
I know the older Nissans don't have liquid cooling and it could be an isolated case but it could happen to other brands as they age.Worth thinking about either way.Sleep well Watty...
This story has been doing the rounds for a week or two. It always starts with "I heard a bloke with a Leaf..." Dublin is a small city and if it were true, his name would be doing the rounds and he'd have made the newspapers by now. Same happened with the MG ZS - there was one video about rust on YouTube and the story took off that MG would rust like crazy. They don't.
Nissan Leafs have been around since 2011 and if they fell over at 180k, it would be well known by now? AFAIK, The Nissan Leaf is the only EV in the market that does air cooling instead of air cooling. The only one. So I'll sleep fine with my liquid-cooled battery.
And €18k for a new battery is a bit cheeky, like Nissan Ireland doesn't want (or doesn't know how) to fix the battery. Just search YouTube for 'Leaf battery replacement'. I reckon Stg£4k would get the Leaf sorted.
Don't believe everything you read on the Internet C:-)
And here's the YouTube video from the start of August --> https://youtu.be/puYuAFZkTPU
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Heard a story yesterday 161 GVA Merc --I think thats the model --its a small enough yoke --electric ,battery fucked a year out of warranty--17k plus Vat --70k on clock !
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https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1137128_nissan-leaf-ev-batteries-long-lifetime-recovery-recycling-farther-off (https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1137128_nissan-leaf-ev-batteries-long-lifetime-recovery-recycling-farther-off)
Nissan Leaf batteries are lasting a long time, according to an executive with the automaker, and that may push mass reuse and recycling further into the future.
"Almost all of the batteries we've made are still in cars," Nissan UK marketing director Nic Thomas said last month in an interview with Forbes (via Charged EVs). Recall that Nissan was among the first automakers to launch a modern electric car, delivering its first Leaf hatchbacks in the U.S. in December 2010. This follows comments made by Nissan in 2019 when, based on then-current charging and degradation data, the automaker predicted that most battery packs would easily outlast the vehicles—and not just the ones that are crashed.
Nissan doesn't have a stockpile of batteries to be recycled or converted to other uses, Thomas said in the interview.The automaker has used EV batteries as stationary power sources in a handful of demonstrations, and Thomas said a new UK factory currently under construction will use EV batteries to store power generated by solar panels and wind turbines. But it seems Nissan EV batteries are mostly still being used for their original purpose. <snip>
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If they lowered the prices of the battery replacements the public wouldn't be so scared.Even if one in a thousand Leaf batteries fail early that's still too much.
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I guess they don't keep them in stock so if they have to supply a new battery, it will come from the factory where they were planning to put it in a new car. So they need that 'new car' profit.
As an aside, a MG5 taxi driver asked and got a reply from MG Ireland about their batteries. MG Ireland said they didn't keep any stock because they didn't expect to replace any! Bravado or confidence? We'll find out in a few years. The MG5 is a Chinese car and is known as the Roewe Ei5 there. Some clever person will set up a business importing Chinese MG parts into Europe for the MG (I guess)?
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Re the odds of a dodgy EV, you potentially have the same problem with ICE cars and they call them 'lemons'. I think JohnM believes he got a dodgy 2008 Octavia whereas my 2007 Octy was bulletproof.
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Time will tell if we were worried about nothing.It does trouble me that the warranties are up after 100000Km on some models.If the manufacturers were confident in their product they'd cover them to 200k and beyond.
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With the MG5, I think it was 160k and 7 years for private motors and 100k and 3 years for taxis. What sort of warranty would Toyota give an ICE taxi?
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Toyota offer the same warranty but the difference is they have a history of reliability so you're not gambling so much with your living should the unthinkable happen.Even if a Prius battery failed, because it's a smaller unit the replacement cost would be a fraction of the fully leccy battery.
I kinda wanna see some leccy cars with 300k of proven reliability before I can invest my hard earned.I'd take a chance for 12/13k after grants but without government help I'd be very exposed of the worst happens.
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You can't have it both ways. The NTA won't give you a huge grant to buy stable technology.
The car makers are pivoting from ICE cars, the EU is banning new ICE cars within the decade and the NTA is throwing EU money at us now to switch. You have all the boffins in those institutions saying it's ok and then there's the naysayers (not you, of course) on the ranks. Those institutions have a lot to lose (reputation-wise) if they're wrong. It is a gamble but one worth taking in my case. I had no choice anyways because my Octavia was effectively dead by then!
ICE cars don't look after themselves, you have to keep an eye on the oil and the coolant etc. Same with EVs but it's the charging regime and how you maintain the battery. Same coin, different sides IMHO...
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The thing is car manufacturers are being forced to go electric by the politicians and environmentalists and big vested interests. If the ev cars cause big problems for commercial drivers the manufacturers wont care, they build the cars and guarantee them for 100,000 to 160,000 for petrol,diesel, hybrids and electric it doesn't matter to them, they just care about profit margins, if something goes wrong after that its out of their hands and the people who made the rules will be gone from their jobs, retired or dead. So jumping into ev for commercial use is a penny wise and pound foolish move. Just stick with the reliable tools and let time and distance be the tester.
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Toyota offer the same warranty but the difference is they have a history of reliability so you're not gambling so much with your living should the unthinkable happen.Even if a Prius battery failed, because it's a smaller unit the replacement cost would be a fraction of the fully leccy battery.
I kinda wanna see some leccy cars with 300k of proven reliability before I can invest my hard earned.I'd take a chance for 12/13k after grants but without government help I'd be very exposed of the worst happens.
I saw a 17D Leaf today on the Mespil rank that should be about 150-200K kms providing he's not sitting at home throwing sugar lumps at it.
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MMW it's possible he's a part-timer/low earner or he may only have plated it up recently.
There was a chap in a leaf that was on the news a few years ago and he lives around Waterloo lane and runs a Bed and breakfast (someone said on here) but the last time I saw him he was driving an Avensis.
You might get lucky and get 300k but it's gonna be longshot IMO not to have any issues or serious degradation.Hope I'm wrong.