Irish Taxi Forum
Public Area => Taxi Talk => Topic started by: silverbullet on December 29, 2022, 07:37:28 pm
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The Mrs. got a cab home last night from a nice gentleman who is three weeks driving.
The nice man pays €85.00 to rent the App.
The nice man pays 23% commission.
The nice man pays €3,500 per annum for insurance.
The nice man pays €2.00 per account job.
The nice man is fed two country runs in a three-week period.
The nice man also pays rent for the car he's driving but didn't mention the monthly rate.
The nice man pays for all the fuel he uses.
The nice man didn't mention if he paid for the uniform, or if he's paid to advertise the company that's fleecing him.
After all that, whatever he has left in his pocket (if anything), is his.
It rhymes with Exploitink.
Or you could drive a bus...
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The Mrs. got a cab home last night from a nice gentleman who is three weeks driving.
The nice man pays €85.00 to rent the App.
The nice man pays 23% commission.
The nice man pays €3,500 per annum for insurance.
The nice man pays €2.00 per account job.
The nice man is fed two country runs in a three-week period.
The nice man also pays rent for the car he's driving but didn't mention the monthly rate.
The nice man pays for all the fuel he uses.
The nice man didn't mention if he paid for the uniform, or if he's paid to advertise the company that's fleecing him.
After all that, whatever he has left in his pocket (if anything), is his.
It rhymes with Exploitink.
Or you could drive a bus...
Ask me mebs:
https://www.lynk.ie/blog-drivers/taxi-app-commission/ (https://www.lynk.ie/blog-drivers/taxi-app-commission/)
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At least €2,000/year savings there but I'd say drivers who work for Free Now would take more than €1,250 for a 40 hour week. I wonder if they do a part-time deal excluding weekends... must check it out, thanks SB.
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At least €2,000/year savings there but I'd say drivers who work for Free Now would take more than €1,250 for a 40 hour week. I wonder if they do a part-time deal excluding weekends... must check it out, thanks SB.
Commission AND freight? I thought that had gone away. Miraculously, you'll get at least two country runs from the "automated" system. Probably from the man personally. Bring the base staff home for free and you'll never know what might end up on your screen.
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As most of us on here are old'ish owner/drivers who get to pick and choose when and how we work, we really should be thanking our Lucky Stars !
I was prob one of the last in the door on the old easy system. 2009 passed the then simple taxi exam, 16 months later bought me own Saloon Joe and 2nd hand plate (with a 15 year license) and also got my private insurance NCB transferred in full on to my new Taxi insurance. All of the above have now been closed off.
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It's a significant saving for those of us that work for Free Now all the same, definitely worthy of further investigation. Zero commission on cash work is an obvious plus. Our local firm in the beautiful seaside resort town of Balbriggan is part of Lynk now, that'd be c.94.27% cash.... but it may be a "bureau" arrangement in which case that work would only go to the general fleet when there's no local drivers available. I must make enquiries.
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Cab2k looks like its even better value.€79 a week plus 12.5 % commission on account jobs. You get to keep the €2 plck up on all jobs. Mostly cash job with no commission.
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I remember when €80 got you as much work as you wanted commission free with C2K... and we even got the PUC at the depot until that driver shared his thoughts at that meeting. Anywaysanall, in my (extrapolated) experience, you won't get much change from a €300 note for a 40 hour week working for Free Now up above in Dublin.... and that's without touching any DAP, pub, hotel, hospitality jobs and only working a quarter of the county excluding the city centre and without working past midnight. I dread to think what drivers who seek to maximise takings and/or work through the night are handing over.
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I also find working for Free Now you're paying Sumup commission on top of Free Now commission on most "non app payment" jobs these days.
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Sheep were born to be sheared.
Let's know how you get on with Lymp.
You're an abacus man, how much of the 1200 turnover is the gull left with after paying Lymp overheads in an average 40-hour week?
Take into account that rent is on average €250.00 per week, with insurance €360.00.
A simple number will suffice.
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They obviously get what they want/need or they wouldn't be doing it. I guess a lot are on BTWEA with rent paid by the State and whatever other welfare / business support grants are available.
The €1,250 obviously refers to 40 hours on day shifts so they have the option to work less social and/or longer hours to earn significantly more. In any event they are likely to earn €50/week (or €2,000/year) more working for Lynk than working for Free Now.... and, as Billy suggests, would earn even more working for C2K. As you say, sheep were born to be sheared.
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They obviously get what they want/need or they wouldn't be doing it. I guess a lot are on BTWEA with rent paid by the State and whatever other welfare / business support grants are available.
The €1,250 obviously refers to 40 hours on day shifts so they have the option to work less social and/or longer hours to earn significantly more. In any event they are likely to earn €50/week (or €2,000/year) more working for Lynk than working for Free Now.... and, as Billy suggests, would earn even more working for C2K. As you say, sheep were born to be sheared.
€1200 gross less 23% discount on 95.37% of Lymp's work, because they got very little cash back in the 90s, less now I'd guess. Less €360 nett rental, less €150/€250 fuel, not including lunch and sundries.
As you said, Mehhhh!
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I doubt there's much, if any, discounting in the current economic climate. The figure given by Lynk is a somewhat conservative €1,250 so I'm not sure where the €1,200 came from. Based on my 2021 figures a diesel spend of €250 would equate to takings of c.€1,700. I guess the extra €500 covers the rental/insurance costs. In any event the difference between renting and owning a cab isn't huge by any means. Even if we said it costs renters €200/week more than owners we're talking about 3-6 hours/week extra work depending on shift times desired. Half the lads on here (myself included) would struggle to do a 20 hour week and seem happy enough with what they get.
If you don't mind my saying so you seem to spend a lot of time calculating how well or otherwise drivers who choose to follow different methodologies to you are performing which comes across as a somewhat pityful desire to convince yourself that you're doing the right thing or making the right decisions. Can you think of any reason you might need such reassurance?
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I doubt there's much, if any, discounting in the current economic climate. The figure given by Lynk is a somewhat conservative €1,250 so I'm not sure where the €1,200 came from. Based on my 2021 figures a diesel spend of €250 would equate to takings of c.€1,700. I guess the extra €500 covers the rental/insurance costs. In any event the difference between renting and owning a cab isn't huge by any means. Even if we said it costs renters €200/week more than owners we're talking about 3-6 hours/week extra work depending on shift times desired. Half the lads on here (myself included) would struggle to do a 20 hour week and seem happy enough with what they get.
If you don't mind my saying so you seem to spend a lot of time calculating how well or otherwise drivers who choose to follow different methodologies to you are performing which comes across as a somewhat pityful desire to convince yourself that you're doing the right thing or making the right decisions. Can you think of any reason you might need such reassurance?
Ah sure let them at it. While they're racing after Ebbs account work -23% commission, they're leaving the street work to the rest of us. I wouldn't be a fan.
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As I leave my Caddy in for a new Nox sensor tomorrow (€500+), I look back fondly on the days when €180 a week was the whole outlay possible .
You can't knock renting for the certainty it gives.
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The difference between bean an owner driver or a renter for me is.... as a an owner driver ( an a lazy cnut ) I can desend inta poverty at me own pace wit no outside pressure from some cunt tellin me to wear a uniform or tellin me I've 2 weeks holidays a yer ...
Thankfully me car is bollixed at the moment an I hav a very good excuse for me nearest an dearest not to get out of bed in the mornin......( bout 2 o'clock in the afternoon) ....an don't hav to pay some bloke who's on the radio sayin thers not enough taxi drivers an at the same time he's charging poor immigrant a fortune to drive his heaps of shite 80 hours a week to make minimum wage ....an the cunt knows the more them he has competin for his heaps o shite ...the more he can charge the poor cnuts .....
Call me mad but ... ::sleep
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That reminds me...I'm due zzz a zzz nap ::sleep
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As I leave my Caddy in for a new Nox sensor tomorrow (€500+), I look back fondly on the days when €180 a week was the whole outlay possible .
You can't knock renting for the certainty it gives.
I remember Rentiers giving renters two weeks' holiday ONLY. The same renters who have to ask can they work during their holidays, an instance I heard with my own ears when Bluecabs sold out to City cabs...sure, they were halcyon days!...not.
Imagine a driver who employs a Rentier being told how many weeks' holidays they can have? Tsk.
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The difference between bean an owner driver or a renter for me is.... as a an owner driver ( an a lazy cnut ) I can desend inta poverty at me own pace wit no outside pressure from some cunt tellin me to wear a uniform or tellin me I've 2 weeks holidays a yer ...
Thankfully me car is bollixed at the moment an I hav a very good excuse for me nearest an dearest not to get out of bed in the mornin......( bout 2 o'clock in the afternoon) ....an don't hav to pay some bloke who's on the radio sayin thers not enough taxi drivers an at the same time he's charging poor immigrant a fortune to drive his heaps of shite 80 hours a week to make minimum wage ....an the cunt knows the more them he has competin for his heaps o shite ...the more he can charge the poor cnuts .....
Call me mad but ... ::sleep
The same renters who stick an extra euro on every account job to covers their freight and a little bit extra, but forget the guy who's riding them is also getting 23% commission on the theft.
The Rentier says nothing unless it's brought to their attention and the petty thief is given a stern warning to not get caught again...
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Horses for courses, Octy. 80 hours for minimum wage sounds like something they might tell the wife and/or the taxman. In reality they'd pick up the incremental cost of renting in less than 6 hours.
As VD alludes to, owning a car isn't free. You have to buy the thing and maintain it. Throw COVID '19 anall into the equation and many (myself included) had cars parked up for the guts of two years with no entitlement to an extended PSV life.... and we still had to pay insurance and, at least in my case, pay for diesel to take the damn thing for a 13 minute drive once a week to keep the battery in serviceable condition and we only got free road tax for one of those two years.
I'm not sure who SB is paying 23% commission to. Free Now charge the highest commission at 15% for taxis and 25% for private hire on all work, cash and account. Bolt charge 13% on all work. I think Uber is 12% on all work. Lynk is 0% on cash work, 4.9% on card work and c.9% on corporate account work. C2K is 0% on cash work 12.5% account.
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As I leave my Caddy in for a new Nox sensor tomorrow (€500+), I look back fondly on the days when €180 a week was the whole outlay possible .
You can't knock renting for the certainty it gives.
The 2 certanties of renting Van D are that firstly there are no major unforseen car trouble financial issues which is a big incentive, and secondly while renting you are paying another man's wages.
I had a troublesome car year just gone with the DPF and other things prob cost in the 5K region in total (tax deductable), add depreciation 2K, is still a long way short of the 13K fer renting.
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*Comparison based on Lynk driver working 40 hours per week doing €300 in account/credit.
Freight €85 + booking fee €24 + account commission €27.50 = €136.50
Weekly Full Access Subcription(sic) €85
Weekends/Nights €43
Standard commission apply(sic)
If a gull earns 1250 a week for 40 hours I'd be amazed.
Firstly they would have to turn over €31+ per hour/every hour they work.
Lymp has mostly day work/i.e account work.
Paying a "booking" fee is akin to a "technology" fee on top of the €85 freight.
€1250 in account work amounts to circa €61.25 in commission on top of that.
There's something rotten in the state of Denmark.
Anyway, I think I've recruited RC to the shrinking ranks of Lymp, every cloud anall.
Enjoy yizzer stickers! 8)
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If the "gulls" were taking less than that they'd work for Free Now and/or Bolt instead. It's not rocket science!
Busiest times for Lynk were 23:00-04:00 last year. Hardly a surprise for anybody looking to hire a taxi up above in Dublin during those hours.
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If the "gulls" were taking less than that they'd work for Free Now and/or Bolt instead. It's not rocket science!
Busiest times for Lynk were 23:00-04:00 last year. Hardly a surprise for anybody looking to hire a taxi up above in Dublin during those hours.
Of that, how many jobs were completed?
Punters are calling all the Apps at the same time.
Actually, I don't think I've ever heard a punter say "So I Lymped a taxi"
Did ya join yet?
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As I leave my Caddy in for a new Nox sensor tomorrow (€500+), I look back fondly on the days when €180 a week was the whole outlay possible .
You can't knock renting for the certainty it gives.
It's now €250 without insurance, and €360 with insurance.
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As I leave my Caddy in for a new Nox sensor tomorrow (€500+), I look back fondly on the days when €180 a week was the whole outlay possible .
You can't knock renting for the certainty it gives.
It's now €250 without insurance, and €360 with insurance.
When the guy I rented off put the rent back upmto 180 from 130,in the middle of the lockdown I realized that I should get my own jammer and be master of my own destiny.
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Horses for courses, Octy. 80 hours for minimum wage sounds like something they might tell the wife and/or the taxman. In reality they'd pick up the incremental cost of renting in less than 6 hours.
As VD alludes to, owning a car isn't free. You have to buy the thing and maintain it. Throw COVID '19 anall into the equation and many (myself included) had cars parked up for the guts of two years with no entitlement to an extended PSV life.... and we still had to pay insurance and, at least in my case, pay for diesel to take the damn thing for a 13 minute drive once a week to keep the battery in serviceable condition and we only got free road tax for one of those two years.
I'm not sure who SB is paying 23% commission to. Free Now charge the highest commission at 15% for taxis and 25% for private hire on all work, cash and account. Bolt charge 13% on all work. I think Uber is 12% on all work. Lynk is 0% on cash work, 4.9% on card work and c.9% on corporate account work. C2K is 0% on cash work 12.5% account.
I'm not sure who SB is paying 23% commission to.
Not me, the nice man...keep up for christ's sake. 8)
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As I leave my Caddy in for a new Nox sensor tomorrow (€500+), I look back fondly on the days when €180 a week was the whole outlay possible .
You can't knock renting for the certainty it gives.
It's now €250 without insurance, and €360 with insurance.
When the guy I rented off put the rent back upmto 180 from 130,in the middle of the lockdown I realized that I should get my own jammer and be master of my own destiny.
To be fair, Free Now's income increased by 38% in the middle of the lockdown ( http://intaxi.org/forum/index.php?topic=15395.0 (http://intaxi.org/forum/index.php?topic=15395.0) ) so perhaps he was in touch with what was happening on the street so to speak... and you always had the option to give the car back and pay nothing if you weren't working.
An acquaintance of mine was renting a plate for a grand a year and it jumped to two and a half grand in one go. His (1st world) problem is that he opted to buy a saloon car rather than go down the WAV route. Also, his platelord told him he'd be trousering 10% of any grant money if he opts for an EV going forward!
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Seems perfectly reasonable for a platelord to require 10% of any grants, the legal and financial hoops one would have to jump through shouldn’t be done without some reimbursement for walking around money.
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As I leave my Caddy in for a new Nox sensor tomorrow (€500+), I look back fondly on the days when €180 a week was the whole outlay possible .
You can't knock renting for the certainty it gives.
It's now €250 without insurance, and €360 with insurance.
When the guy I rented off put the rent back upmto 180 from 130,in the middle of the lockdown I realized that I should get my own jammer and be master of my own destiny.
To be fair, Free Now's income increased by 38% in the middle of the lockdown ( [url]http://intaxi.org/forum/index.php?topic=15395.0[/url] ([url]http://intaxi.org/forum/index.php?topic=15395.0[/url]) ) so perhaps he was in touch with what was happening on the street so to speak... and you always had the option to give the car back and pay nothing if you weren't working.
An acquaintance of mine was renting a plate for a grand a year and it jumped to two and a half grand in one go. His (1st world) problem is that he opted to buy a saloon car rather than go down the WAV route. Also, his platelord told him he'd be trousering 10% of any grant money if he opts for an EV going forward!
So he's renting the roof sign only?
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Yes but its a Yaris roof sign?
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So he's renting the roof sign only?
The licence... the sign comes with it. At €2,500/year the post entry liberalisation scum could recoup their "investment" in less than 3 years.