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Public Area => Sports and Gambling => Topic started by: Belker on September 03, 2023, 10:41:45 pm
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Boylesports offer a very decent Each-way offer on the Rugby World cup top Try scorer market.
1/5 odds 8 Places. Their nearest bookie competitor only offers 6 Places.
I got a Tip from me small fella (who plays rugby) that the style of world cup play would suit Ireland's James Lowe.
James Lowe is currently 14/1 with Boyles.
Fer a Pony Each-way (which I had) if he is in the Top 8 would return €95 and if he wins it would return €470.
See full market here;
https://www.oddschecker.com/rugby-union/rugby-world-cup/top-tryscorer (https://www.oddschecker.com/rugby-union/rugby-world-cup/top-tryscorer)
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On looking at the Betfair exchange market, also hard to see past Will Jordan (NZ) @ Boyles 13/2 or Damian Pernaud (FR) @ 13/2 to be out of the Top 8 try scorers ??
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/rugby-union/market/1.217251309 (https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/rugby-union/market/1.217251309)
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The thing with that market is some lad could have a beano run in 10 trys agenst one of the Minoes ..Wouldnt have stolen money on any Irish player .We have to meet NZ or France in the second round so most likely we will be quarter finalists which is where we usually go out .But we could possibly knock out France or NZ .Any stroke bets are in the other half of the draw .Big price about an Argie or a Welsh lad might be the bet .They look better bets to progress than NZ or Ireland .Really lop sided draw .Top four teams in the same half
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I was contemplating a Deuce EW on each of Will Jordan (NZ) @ Boyles 13/2 and Damian Pernaud (FR) also @ 13/2, and a Ton EW on James Lowe @ 14/1.
At 8 places if even 2 of them get a place then it's a small loss, all 3 placed fer a small win and if I can get the winner and a place or two then I'm quids in !
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Unfortunately my record on posting big bets on here is abysmal, to include Donald Trump @ 1/2, the Brazil Bobo bet (I'm still not over that !) and then the Yankee girls @ 1/4, and the Icing on the Cake was my most embarrasing loss to Octy in the Crypto challenge when I should have easily won that against a grossly inferior contestant.
Most likely I won't have my Grand bet on the rugby because of the above, also too lazy fer the shoe-leather required, but there is great value in the 8 places with Boyles.
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I was contemplating a Deuce EW on each of Will Jordan (NZ) @ Boyles 13/2 and Damian Pernaud (FR) also @ 13/2, and a Ton EW on James Lowe @ 14/1.
At 8 places if even 2 of them get a place then it's a small loss, all 3 placed fer a small win and if I can get the winner and a place or two then I'm quids in !
Opening Game France NZ .Would not expect to many tries in that one .Winner is guarenteed entry into the next round so might not play their best Backs until they meet Ireland or South Africa in the next round and that should be a low try scoring match .So based on the Fact that the First match sets up the Group and possibly picks the next team and player rotation its a month long tournament .I cannot see value in either France or NZ playerto get the golden boot not value @six and a half .
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Boylesports offer a very decent Each-way offer on the Rugby World cup top Try scorer market.
1/5 odds 8 Places. Their nearest bookie competitor only offers 6 Places.
I got a Tip from me small fella (who plays rugby) that the style of world cup play would suit Ireland's James Lowe.
James Lowe is currently 14/1 with Boyles.
Fer a Pony Each-way (which I had) if he is in the Top 8 would return €95 and if he wins it would return €470.
See full market here;
https://www.oddschecker.com/rugby-union/rugby-world-cup/top-tryscorer (https://www.oddschecker.com/rugby-union/rugby-world-cup/top-tryscorer)
FFS !
Ireland scored 12 tries and James Lowe didn't get a hand down on even one of them ! ::fds
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Would not say Lowe is not 14/1 anymore. All random ::[color]
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Boylesports offer a very decent Each-way offer on the Rugby World cup top Try scorer market.
1/5 odds 8 Places. Their nearest bookie competitor only offers 6 Places.
I got a Tip from me small fella (who plays rugby) that the style of world cup play would suit Ireland's James Lowe.
James Lowe is currently 14/1 with Boyles.
Fer a Pony Each-way (which I had) if he is in the Top 8 would return €95 and if he wins it would return €470.
See full market here;
https://www.oddschecker.com/rugby-union/rugby-world-cup/top-tryscorer (https://www.oddschecker.com/rugby-union/rugby-world-cup/top-tryscorer)
FFS !
Ireland scored 12 tries and James Lowe didn't get a hand down on even one of them ! ::fds
Wrong half of the Draw Ken .Lads will be rested .Yesterdays game was little more than a practice session .
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https://www.rugbyworldcup.com/2023/stats (https://www.rugbyworldcup.com/2023/stats)
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I was contemplating a Deuce EW on each of Will Jordan (NZ) @ Boyles 13/2 and Damian Pernaud (FR) also @ 13/2, and a Ton EW on James Lowe @ 14/1.
At 8 places if even 2 of them get a place then it's a small loss, all 3 placed fer a small win and if I can get the winner and a place or two then I'm quids in !
.... .I cannot see value in either France or NZ playerto get the golden boot not value @six and a half .
Read the Stats John m !
https://www.rugbyworldcup.com/2023/stats/players?metric=tries (https://www.rugbyworldcup.com/2023/stats/players?metric=tries)
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I was contemplating a Deuce EW on each of Will Jordan (NZ) @ Boyles 13/2 and Damian Pernaud (FR) also @ 13/2, and a Ton EW on James Lowe @ 14/1.
At 8 places if even 2 of them get a place then it's a small loss, all 3 placed fer a small win and if I can get the winner and a place or two then I'm quids in !
.... .I cannot see value in either France or NZ playerto get the golden boot not value @six and a half .
Read the Stats John m !
https://www.rugbyworldcup.com/2023/stats/players?metric=tries (https://www.rugbyworldcup.com/2023/stats/players?metric=tries)
Will Jordan scored three of New Zealand's seven tries, taking his individual tally to eight across the World Cup, but he was denied the chance to match the great Jonah Lomu
BySamuel MeadeSports Brand Writer
22:46, 20 Oct 2023
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Will Jordan scored a World Cup semi-final hat-trick for New Zealand to leave him with eight tries - equalling a tournament record.
The Crusaders winger scored in last weekend's quarter-final win over Ireland and also notched four in the pool stages, meaning his haul has matched the highest in World Cup history. The likes of Bryan Habana, Julian Savea and Jonah Lomu all crossed eight times in previous tournaments.
Jordan's treble against Argentina capped a sensational performance that saw All Blacks ease to a 44-6 win. The 25-year-old has a sensational strike rate in the black jersey, but may be left cursing team-mate Richie Mo'unga.
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The fly-half, who will be ineligible for selection after the World Cup due to his decision to play in Japan, opted not to pass to Jordan late in the game when his winger had the line at his mercy. He had a simple two-on-one but chose not to throw the pass and went himself, before being stopped close to the line.
It would've been a walk-in for Jordan to score his fourth try and only three men have ever scored hat-tricks in a semi-final - Lomu in 1995 and Adam Ashley-Cooper for Australia in 2015. Lomu however famously scored four as the All Blacks hammered England in Cape Town.
Jordan could've matched the New Zealand icon, but instead was left on three. Mo'unga immediately clocked his error and when the game came to a stop was seen holding his hand up in apology.
All Blacks boss Ian Foster joked that his fly-half didn't throw the pass in order to keep Jordan primed for the final in eight days time. "I don't know anything about that, but maybe Richie wanted to keep him hungry for next week," he joked.
Jordie Barrett, who also crossed for a try, was part of the group that suffered semi-final heartbreak four years ago but was thrilled to have gone one better as they look to emulate the group of 2015, some of whom are still present in the current squad.
He told ITV: "It's so sweet. It's new territory for this group. We slipped at the semi-final hurdle four years ago. I am just so proud of this group. It's not done yet. We will have a very tough match regardless of who we have next week. It's another week, which we are so grateful for."
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He is home and hosed .South Africa are not big Try scorers .If you went into a bookie he would want you to bet your house to win a Penny Jordan does not win it .It was a value bet with 8 places a bet to nothing .A shrewdies wager . .....
I did go Large on this market in the end, I only fell in to it by chance when me small fella told me about James Lowe @14/1 and I did a birra research fer him. The value at 8 places was overwhelming and I couldn't help myself but to avail of their generosity on what seemed 'No-Lose' bets. It did take a birra shoe-leather (by me small fella) to get all the shop bets on in dribs and drabs.
In total I invested €1535, (barring an Act of God) the returns will be €3508 showing a €1973 profit, which will be split evenly with me small fella as it was he who put me on to it, and also did the vast majority of the leg-work required.
The icing on the cake was €280EW on Will Jordan mostly @7/1.
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My bets so far on the RWC Top Try-scorer.
All bets were done in-shop, the EW bets are all at 1/5 odds 8 places.
(Photo Time-stampted evidence of the bets will be provided on here after they are cashed in.)
€280 EW Damien Penaud (6 Tries) (FR) all @ 13/2.
€280 EW Will Jordan (8 Tries) (NZ), which includes €200 EW @ 7/1, and €80 EW @ 13/2.
Five saving (Hedge) bets so far;
€25 Win on Henry Arundell (5) (Eng) @ 33/1.
€5 Win on Mark Telea (3) (NZ) @ 100/1.
€25 Win on Cobus Reinach (4) (SA) @ 25/1.
€20 Win on Leicester Fainga'anuku (5) (NZ) @ 33/1
€10 Ardie Savea (3) (NZ) @ 66/1.
I'm contemplating another small 'Saver' on Damian McKenzie (5) (NZ) if he is in the starting 15 on Sat.
I also had €165 EW on James Lowe (Irl) which is a Loser, he only got 2 tries.
Total stake layout so far €1535.
Returns looking at €3508 to show a €1973 profit.
Here are the Top Try-Scorer Stats so far;
https://www.rugbyworldcup.com/2023/stats/players?metric=tries (https://www.rugbyworldcup.com/2023/stats/players?metric=tries)
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Nice one, Ken.
What you backed and why is way beyond my somewhat limited knowledge of rugby. As far as county Dublin is concerned it's largely a southside sport oft played by closet poofs. I did watch the 1/4 final loss while on staycation in Wexford (having listened to "our" previous contests on the wireless while driving my cab) and, to be fair, it was a disappointing result. I guess it's little consolation but no coincidence that the teams contesting the final are a team "we" beat and the team that beat "us".
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I got a winner on here at last !
Won easily in the end, a lot of the players with outside hopes didn't even play in the last of the games, Henry Arundell (Eng) was my main danger but as usual England played the Kicking game in the 'Bronze' final.
I'll post the bet photos later in the week when me small fella finishes cashing them all in piece-meal.
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'Great Buzz' going this morning when me small fella called to me at 6.30am on his way to work to cash in the first half of the many mutiple bets with a nice wad of 'used notes'.
I'm feeling like Paul Newman from 'The Sting' ! lol
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All bets finally cashed in today, all were done in-shop paid fer in cash with cash pay-outs.
Main bets (non-hedge) were all done in small amounts in 4 different Boyles shops.
€280 EW Damien Penaud (Second on 6 Tries) all @ 13/2, showed a small €84 profit.
(Not worth posting photo evidence).
Five saving (Hedge) bets were all losers showing an €85 loss.
€25 Win on Henry Arundell (5 tries) (Eng) @ 33/1.
€5 Win on Mark Telea (3) (NZ) @ 100/1.
€25 Win on Cobus Reinach (4) (SA) @ 25/1.
€20 Win on Leicester Fainga'anuku (5) (NZ) @ 33/1
€10 Ardie Savea (3) (NZ) @ 66/1.
I also had €165 EW on James Lowe (Irl) which was a Loser fer another €330.
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€280 EW Will Jordan (The winner on 8 Tries) was the icing on the cake showing a €2304 profit.
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In summary;
The Will Jordan bets showed a €2304 profit.
The Damien Penaud bets showed an €84 profit.
The James Lowe bets showed a €330 loss.
And the saving Hedge bets showed an €85 loss.
Total stake invested €1535,
Total Returns €3508,
Total profit €1973.
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€280 EW Will Jordan (The winner on 8 Tries) was the icing on the cake showing a €2304 profit.
(https://i.postimg.cc/mkM2FBzZ/thumbnail-IMG-1023.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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In summary;
The Will Jordan bets showed a €2304 profit.
The Damien Penaud bets showed an €84 profit.
The James Lowe bets showed a €330 loss.
And the saving Hedge bets showed an €85 loss.
Total stake invested €1535,
Total Returns €3508,
Total profit €1973.
Take the night off. 8)
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Interesting exercise, Ken. While it was the 1/5th odds for 8 places that attracted you, backing each way actually cost you the guts of a grand*... probably more ifn you had saved the shoe leather and backed on Betfair.
*€400 @ 7/1 + €160 @ 13/2 would have returned a profit of €3,840 less €890 for the two LOSERS equates to €2,950 clear profit. Even with the additional LOSERS from hedging you woulda won €2,865.
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Interesting exercise, Ken. While it was the 1/5th odds for 8 places that attracted you, backing each way actually cost you the guts of a grand*... probably more ifn you had saved the shoe leather and backed on Betfair.
*€400 @ 7/1 + €160 @ 13/2 would have returned a profit of €3,840 less €890 for the two LOSERS equates to €2,950 clear profit. Even with the additional LOSERS from hedging you woulda won €2,865.
I would disagree Stephen, granted the result as it turned out would show you to be correct, but I was doing a NO-LOSE bet, all I needed was fer 2 of the 3 players I backed to be placed in the top 8 fer my money-back and hoping to get the winner to get a decent pay-day.
By using your Betfair stategy if I did Not get the winner then all stakes would be lost.
As fer 'Shoe-leather' me small fella wore off a lot of it, I reckon between placing bets and cashing in he hit about 10 different Boyles shops, and he it all fer cash, even though I did not insist of him on all cash payouts, he did.
In the end we got a 'Bag a Sand' each outta it fer 6 weeks entertainment..... And a Good Buzz !!
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My stategy on the bets was to lay out Approx 1.5K on the extra generous Boyles offer of 8 places;
(With the full knowledge that all my bets would not be accepted in one go).
If all 3 were unplaced I lose Approx 1.5K.
If only 1 is placed, I lose 1K.
If 2 are placed I break Even.
If all 3 are placed I win 0.5K.
If I get the winner and 2 unplaced I win 1.5K.
If I get the winner and 1 placed I win 2K.
If I get the winner and 2 placed I win 2.5K.
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I get what you're saying alright, Ken. Just, as a punter, I have been asked why I don't back each way. The answer is quite simple... Despite missing the odd one placed at a big price, if I do the math (and I do!) it never proves profitable on a medium-long term basis,
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I would agree Stephen, but the above was an exception due to Boyles extreme generosity. I don't think the Boyles rugby odds compiler is the brightest, he was quoting odds fer players going in the the final 2 weekend matches who could not possibly win because they were behind on tries and not named in their team squad fer the last game.
If memory serves I rang him once before a few years back when they were quoting Ireland @12/5 fer the Triple crown and 5/2 fer the Grand Slam which was exactly the same thing back then as they had to play England and Scotland in their last 2 games, after they had beaten Wales, France and Italy, he took no notice and didn't change the odds.
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My stategy on the bets was to lay out Approx 1.5K on the extra generous Boyles offer of 8 places;
(With the full knowledge that all my bets would not be accepted in one go).
If all 3 were unplaced I lose Approx 1.5K.
If only 1 is placed, I lose 1K.
If 2 are placed I break Even.
If all 3 are placed I win 0.5K.
If I get the winner and 2 unplaced I win 1.5K.
If I get the winner and 1 placed I win 2K.
If I get the winner and 2 placed I win 2.5K.
The above had 7 scenario's;
I lost in 2 of them,
Broke Even in 1,
And I won in 4 of them, which was most likely with 8 places.
And the very best of any scam is that the scammed don't even know that they were scammed ! lol
We hit 5 different shops on 5 different days to get the bets on, all fer cash.
And hit 6 different shops on 5 different days to cash them in, all fer cash.
Most thankfully me small fella stuck ridgedly to the instructions I gave him about 'Placing' and 'Cashing in'.
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They were quick to ban me from sports betting a few years back... in fact one of the first firms that didn't want my business. In fact, I asked one of their store managers if the odd €50 over the counter of an evening on the next days racing (BOG back then, most firms aren't BOG 'till raceday nowadays)would raise any eyebrows and he explained as it would be relatively unusual (multiples for the next days racing being the "norm") it would and using different branches would make no difference as they (like Paddypower) monitor everything centrally with calls from head office instructing staff to refuse or restrict bets from punters spotted on CCTV not being particularly unusual.
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I know all that Stephen and that is why I was so careful about placing the main (non-hedge) bets.
I know full well that if I went in to a Boyles shop asking fer €280ew on 2 players @13/2 and €165ew on another @14/1, all at Super Bonus enhanced place terms, then I would have been shown the Door !
So I had to do it all piece-meal.
I hit 2 different Boyles shops fer a quarter of the stakes each on different days.
Me small fella hit 2 other Boyles shops 2 days later fer another quarter of the stakes in each on 2 different days.
And he did all the 'Cashing in' in 6 different shops, with him insisting on Cash from them all.
It wasn't the scam of the century but it was a nice scam and we trousered a 'Bag a Sand' each ! lol
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Makes one wonder how the fucking parasites are licensed at all. Under the terms of my taxi licence I'm obliged to accept any fare up to 30 kilos unless the intending passenger is likely to soil/damage my vehicle or cannot prove ability to pay yet a bookmaker can have a licence with no obligation to accept relatively small bets and certainly no obligation to make a book.
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In reading back over this topic earlier and then re-reading all of the texts (Because the Fookin ESB cut off me lecky fer an hour today !) between my self and me small fella + his/my newly adopted daughter-in-law, it's quite nostalgic to me in the way that we pulled it off.
Fer me personally to get Nowt from it all in the end was of no concern, me small fella got his 50% cut fer the shoe-leather worn and his next few car repair bill's paid fer and that was good enough fer me. To quote the Great Corkman Tony Murphy whom pulled off "Murphy's Stroke"; "T'was never about de money, t'was about de Craic of pulling it off !"...
I retired from gambling after those bets, going out on a Winning streak !
With a lasting enjoyable memory !! ....
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you used to work in a gambling shop didn't ye ken.
can i ask what was the biggest amount of lolly you saw someone win and lose.
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you used to work in a gambling shop didn't ye ken.
can i ask what was the biggest amount of lolly you saw someone win and lose.
I think I posted those real stories already DMG, but I'll have a root around to see if I can find them and re-post them again here.
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Not Du Pont!
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you used to work in a gambling shop didn't ye ken.
can i ask what was the biggest amount of lolly you saw someone win and lose.
Biggest or Best winner was a fella nicknamed 'Crystal Ball' fer obvious reasons, he used to do long odds Each-way ante-post accumulator bets, usually staked 5 or 6 Tenner EW accum bets a few times a week and every week or fortnight he would get one up fer between 5 and 10 grand.
One of my biggest bets taken was on a horse called African princess in circa 1992, the opening show/price was 25/1 and I laid a 'Whale' over the phone £3,600 Irl punts EW @ 25/1, not knowing that the horse was 'Live' and the top pick of the 'Winning Line' team which was a subscription tipping service that was doing really well on recent tips. The horse shortened in price from 25/1 to 2/1 Fav at the Off.
The race was originally a 16 horse handicap meaning 4 places but 1 horse was withdrawn making it a 15 horse race with just 3 places. African princess was 4th, a loser to the Whale/punter.
I had that same 'Whale' on the line fer about 2 years, took about 120k off him in the end, even after writing off a few of his debts whilst playing him, prob could have got more if I had played it better.
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Back in the late Eighties I was managing a bookie shop in Cork, the shop was the most westerly shop in the city center and quite often the old age pensioners with the free travel and the farmers from west Cork would frequent the premises as it was the first city bookie office that they would come across.
One particular customer who was probably an old age pensioner and definately a farmer by the stink off him arrived in one morning, a heavily set man who never spoke, he just put his docket and dosh up on the counter, his bet was;
"LOOTO, First number drawn Even, 5/6, £10" (Ir Punts at the time).
His bet won and he was in the next Monday morning to collect his £18.33.
A few days later he was back in to do the same bet, but this time it lost, so a week later he was back in again but this time he had Doubled up to £20, it lost again, and again a week later he Doubled up again to £40, which won.
Then a week later he was back in again and started again with a £10 bet always misspelling the word Lotto fer Looto and this all went on fer about Two years with him Doubling up week after week before he got a winner, £160 was the highest he got to before he got his winner and he was making a tidy profit from it.
But then thing's changed as they do in the gambling world, all his smaller bets lost fer weeks and after his biggest so far £160 bet lost we wondered would we ever see him again ? Sure as' he was in like clockwork the next week with his £320 bet, it lost, the week after he was in again with £640, that too lost, £640 turned in to £1,280, £1,280 turned into £2,560, all losers.
Then senior management got involved discussing what best next to do, there really wasn't an option, if we refused the next bet on humanitarian grounds then he would just have walked down the road to the next bookie and had his wager with them. I hoped, prayed that he had given up his quest, but he hadn't, he again was in on the next Friday morning with £5,120 in cash fer his usual Looto bet, it lost and we never saw him again !
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Circa 2006, I was head compiler on the day in my family bookie headquarters in Cork, at about 11am I got a call on the internal phone system from one of our city branches, it was Evan the shop manager, a nice young lad, very straight-laced and honest lad, he said to me; "There's a fella here wants Ten Grand @ 2/5 on the Fav in the 11.15 at Bloemfontein (South Africa)". I ask Evan; "Does he look like he has Ten Grand ?". Evan replies; "Eh, No". I say to him; "Fine, let him have it, I'll bet he hasn't the price of a cup of tea in his pocket !".
Ten Grand is always the magic figure and we used to get it a few times every year that some idiot would be sitting at home thinking to himself 'I'll really show those bookies up today, I'll ask fer a Ten Grand bet and when they refuse me I'll tell the whole of Cork about it !', most usually I will always say "Fine" to them and watch as they turn tail and leg it out the door looking like a fool.
A minute later Evan rings me back; "Yea, he had that Ken, all paid up in cash", I was surprised, I turned on my T.V. monitor and watched the horse lose the race. Five minutes later Evan rings again; "Yer man want's 5 Grand on trap 1 @ 6/4 in the 11.28 at Romford". "Fine" I say "Give it to him, actually give him anything he wants, take the bets first and ring 'em in to me After you take them".
I knew I had a 'Whale' on the line and a good manager in Evan running the show on the ground and I sure wasn't gonna let My Whale slip-off My line. The dog won and the customer continued trading in 5 and 10 Thousand Euro bets fer the rest of the morning. When he was all done at about 1.30pm he was down about Thirty-five grand and he left just as quietly as he had entered, never to be seen again.
I rang Evan later in the afternoon fer a chat because I knew that kind of very aggressive trading can be harrowing on a young lad, I didn't say much to him, but allowed him the opportunity to express his thoughts and concerns to me. I arranged fer the money to be off-counter and out of that shop within 15 minutes of the Whales departure. During our chat Evan told me; "A few of the regular punters had been chatting to yer man and he was an ex-Docker and he got his redundancy last week, his Dream all his life had been to go in to the bookies and bet in Tens of Thousands !".
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you used to work in a gambling shop didn't ye ken.
can i ask what was the biggest amount of lolly you saw someone win and lose.
I think I posted those real stories already DMG, but I'll have a root around to see if I can find them and re-post them again here.
That should keep ya busy fer a bit DMG, I didn't answer much on biggest losers fer me as a bookie but I have a few thoughts and if'n your interested then I will dig them out fer you.
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very interesting thanks for that. a few questions.
do you gamble.
why do you think people gamble. do you consider gambling a mental illness.
have yever hadta ban a persistant winner.
have yever heard of a bookie that got bankrupted after takin on a winning bet.
why are there still physical bookie shops when it can all be done through an app.
have yever had wifes/girlfriends/family comin imta the shop pleadin to return the husband's/boyfriends money he lost.
are there tricks bookies use to entice people inta the shop and keep them in there. i know casinos have fancy lights, dolly birds employed inside, no windows so you lose track of time, gargle/drugs to keep cunts gambling etc. etc.
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Ireland are out.
Too many handling mistakes and poor throw-ins and terrible lack of kick conversions.
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very interesting thanks for that. a few questions. ....
... have yever heard of a bookie that got bankrupted after takin on a winning bet. ....
You have a lot of questions there DMG, but I will answer them all .. in time.
The first question above I'll take on, brings back very sad memories.
Back when I started work in the family bookies in the early Eighties, Dermot Buckley was a senior colleague of mine, while he wasn't the brightest tool in the shed his father and my father (the owner) were close friends and so Dermot got his promotions up through the ranks quicker than most.
Back then the bookie game was very lucrative and as the early Ninties turned Dermot took his few quid from his shares in our business and his misses took her redundancy from her teachers job and he set up his own bookie shop close by where he lived in Macroom, which didn't do as well as he had expected it to, which was hardly a surprise to anyone as he wan't really the most Work generated kind of guy !
When he was almost done in 1992 he laid a stupid bet on a GAA football team to win the Cork county championship.
£500 (Irl punts) @ 33/1, O' Donovan Rossa to win the county senior football championship.
Read the Southern Star report on the match/bet here;
https://www.southernstar.ie/sport/skibb-plan-was-simple-get-the-ball-to-mick-as-fast-as-possible-4147179 (https://www.southernstar.ie/sport/skibb-plan-was-simple-get-the-ball-to-mick-as-fast-as-possible-4147179)
In reality the seemingly hopeless team should have been 1,000/1 shots but when the money was down the O' Donovan Rossa team from Skibereen in West Cork played like men possesed and won the County championship.
Dermot to be fair to him paid out on the bet when by Irish law he could have 'Welshed' on the bet and run very Far away as gambling debts are not recoverable by law.
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I heard rumours over the next few years as seemingly Dermot Buckley was still trading in Macroom, the rumous were that he had spent the last of his misses redundancy in paying off the winning GAA bet, and also rumours that his misses had left him. I dunno how true any of them were and it was none of my business.
Then one day a good few years on circa 2005, I would have been in senior management by then and a young employee of ours from Macroom commented to me; "I seen Dermot Buckley again this morning drinking flagons a cider down the lane with the Alkie's !".
I was fairly shocked and exclaimed out loud; "WHAT !"......
But it was all true, Dermot had lost all and taken the Alco street route, a year or 2 later he seemingly fell down the stairs of an alco homeless shelter and died aged 52.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-20060560.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-20060560.html)
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very interesting thanks for that. a few questions.
do you gamble. .....
No, not anymore, I won/shared about 2k last Nov as posted and proven already earlier on this same topic and I retired gracefully on a winning note.
I know full well that I had a lot of well publised Losing big bets after posting on here, Trump in 2020 after me spending weeks getting every Bobo Free offer from Every online bookie to bet on the Orange Prick @ 1/2 and then he lost !
Brazil with a huge online new customer 20% Bobo offer fer the world cup outright, 1-0 up at half-time in extra time to Fookin Croatia and they still managed to lose ! ... I still have the 'Hump' over that !!
And then the Girl's world cup Double, I really fancied the Aussie girls to qualify from their group and to me the betting was wrong, I thought they should have been 1/2 or 2/5, but they were 6/5 !
I went Large on them and they oblidged me winning by over 3 or 4 goals, but I got greedy and threw in the USA girls the next day @ 1/4 as a Double just to inhance my winnings as the Yanks usually take everything seriousely, but while the Aussie girls did the biz @ 6/5, the USA were lucky to get a draw after an abysmal performance. Another Lose fer me.
I don't bet fer fun, but to bet to win takes a lot of time and effort.
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... have yever had wifes/girlfriends/family comin imta the shop pleadin to return the husband's/boyfriends money he lost...
No, never had that personally or ever heard of it, but in my younger manager days I did have a drunk Fookin Nordie scumbag come back in with a bally on and a knife looking fer his money back.
I'll see if'n I can root out that old story from somewhere.
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Disarming an intoxicated person with a knife; (True story).
It was circa 1989 and I would have been a young fit 24 year old with 2 years of teenage Shotokan karate training behind me.
I was the manager of a very busy Northside bookie shop in Dillons cross and it was my morning off.
I got a call on my house phone from my shop settler Mark about noon telling me that 'Jimmy from the North' had gone beserk in the shop. I knew Jimmy well, he was grand 99% of the time but if he had drink on him which was very seldom that he was a dangerous man to deal with.
I was Up, Dressed and across the city to the office within 20 minutes to find Mary the cashier weeping behind the counter, as Mark explained to me that there had been a discrepancy about a bet and Jimmy in his best nordie accent had told Mary that; "He would have her put against a wall and Shot !". Which had kinda upset Mary a tad, so I sent her off home fer rest of the day. All forgotten about, we worked on a tad under staffed but we managed.
It was a long counter layout facing out to the shop front with a side door (seldom locked), the staff inside the counter nearest to the side door is the settler, followed by the cashier in the middle (whom had been sent home) and lastly the shop manager (Me).
About 3pm Mark the settler runs past me screaming something or other, and I see a balaclaved man with a knife just behind him, inside of the side counter door, inside the counter, I know it's Jimmy behind the balaclava but he is drunk and he has a knife, not a very big knife, only about 3 or 4 inches long but he is coming at me very aggressively, there is no where to run, I am completely trapped within the counter and with my settler Mark quaking in his boots behind me.
I hold my ground (like I had a choice) as he comes toward me with the knife.
All my flash thinking within the 2 seconds I had was;
Firstly, no way was he getting a body shot at me to stab and maybe kill me. Then I thought; 'Give him a leg' but then thought; 'Naw, I'm kinda fond of that', Then I thought; 'Give him an arm', but again thought; "Naw, I'm fond of that too'.
Final thought being; 'STAND AND FIGHT CASH !'
With no other option available, I drew back in to Shotokan fight stance and Jimmy hesitates. I'm only seeing One prize and that is 'Jimmy's wrist' and as he hesitates, I lung fer it and grab his knife wielding hand bashing it off everything, counter, till's, drawers, anything in sight and we struggle fer a good long minute or more, an elderly customer from outside the counter leans in and grabs Jimmy's balaclava off him during the struggle. I had Jimmy's wrist held with both my hands and I was never letting go till the knife fell, I kinda felt like my life was depending on it.
With unexpectedly having his hood removed Jimmy relaxed his grip on the knife and eventually with all my bashing he dropped it. I picked up the knife and fired it away over the counter out of harm's reach, Jimmy turned tail and ran fer the side counter door, I rooted him One good kick in the arse as he fled.
Once outside the counter Jimmy spotted the elderly customer who had taken his balaclava off him during the struggle and 'Bopped' him One opening up a nasty gash on the old fella's forehead. I went out to the customers aid tackling and holding a drunk Jimmy in a 'Half-Nelson' fer about 5 minutes but eventually he struggled free and legged it out the door.
The Gardai and all that were called, and we went searching the Glen flats area and the dregs of Comeragh park fer him, with me in the back of a squad car on the lookout, but Jimmy took the 'Midnight Express' back to the North that night, never to be seen again.
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very interesting thanks for that. a few questions. .....
....... why do you think people gamble. do you consider gambling a mental illness. .....
No more so than people who drink, drug or smoke, they know it's not good fer them but they do it fer the Buzz anyway.
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..... can i ask what was the biggest amount of lolly you saw someone win and lose.
I didn't answer much on biggest losers fer me as a bookie, but I have a few thoughts ....
I can't really think of any one big winner apart from 'Crystal Ball', but there were a good few real Bad days in the bookies.
Dawn Run and Johnjo winning the 1986 Cheltenham Gold cup, on my first week as a senior settler in the main office. ::fds
The weekend in 1982 when ALL the hot-pot favs won on the football coupons. ::fds
Tirol the Cork owned horse winning the 1990 2000 Guineas at Newmarket. ::fds
Tirol the Cork owned horse winning the 1990 Irish 2000 Guineas at the Curragh. ::fds
Imperial call the Cork horse winning the 1996 Cheltenham Gold cup. ::fds
Frankie Dettori doing the Magnificent 7 in 1996.
Mind you we did dodge a huge bullet that day as a regular customer of ours went to Ladbrokes that day to place his usual morning large multiple bets which always included Frankie's mounts, his winnings came to £120,000 and to be fair to Ladbokes they waived their £100,000 payout limit that day.
There were also many big winners on the Lotto when we started betting on it in the late Eighties, those winners were a bug-bear of most bookies because unlike Horse or Football betting winners whom would usually lose their winnings back within a few weeks, Lotto winners bought new TV's or house furniture and continued betting with the same stakes.
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very interesting thanks for that. a few questions.....
..... have yever hadta ban a persistant winner. .....
No, I personally never did or even heard of a client getting banned fer persistant winning, but we often restricted odds or stakes to pro punters over the phone.
'Crystal Ball' whom I mentioned earlier broke one young shop managers heart with his constant winning EW accum bets. Our shop managers were all on their own shops profit margin as well as their weekly wage and their annual Bonus was determined on how well their own shop did. 'Crystal Ball' or 'Crystal Bollix' as he was now known of dissappered very abruptly and unexpectantly after cashing in 2 large winning bets one Monday morning.
I have a feeling that the young shop manager had a 'Word' that morning because 'Crystal Bollix' never darkened the doorstep of any of our offices ever again ... but I don't know that fer sure ... and I never asked any questions about it.
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very interesting thanks for that. a few questions. ....
.... why are there still physical bookie shops when it can all be done through an app. ....
Two reasons, the lesser one First is fer the bad publicity it would cause on social media to close all the shops.
And Secondly and much more importantly it is cheaper to keep the remaining shops open and trading at break even or even at a small loss than to pay the staff redundancy as most of what staff are left in those shops have over 20 years of entitlements behind them.
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very interesting thanks for that. a few questions. .....
...... are there tricks bookies use to entice people inta the shop and keep them in there. i know casinos have fancy lights, dolly birds employed inside, no windows so you lose track of time, gargle/drugs to keep cunts gambling etc. etc.
Not really, each shop does the best it can to remain clean and bright, and to offer 'Specials' just the same as any other company/supermarket in competition does.
I think that about answers all your questions DMG, if'n ya have anymore then just ask,
or anybody else with a serious question, then just ask ?...
There is just One bet that still mystifies me to this day, If'n your still interested DMG then I will write and post it here fer you.
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fair play ken go ahead.
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The One that Got Away;
I reckon I have seen every gambling scam available in my time but in the end I always found out how it was done (usually after) and I understood how it was done, but this one nearly 30 years on even though it was not big money still mystifies me to this day.
Back in 1995 I was a big 'Corrie' fan and watched every Coronation street TV show three times a week. Fer those that remember Derek Wilton whom was Mavis's wife, he had his garden Gnome stolen and there was a big 'Ho-Haa' all about it as to whom had stolen Derek's Gnome. I opened a novelty Book on it (as in started a market on it) called; "Who stole Derek's gnome ?", I showed my work to the senior odds compiler and he wasn't too pleased. But not to be outdone I faxed the story and odds off to the Racing Post and they carried the story and my betting the next day. Obviously it went Viral that day or as Viral as things could go back in 1995.
The senior odds compiler wasn't long changing his mind when he saw the publicity we were getting from my novelty market.
Martin was a mate of mine as such, he was often in the same pubs with me and my work mates back then, a nice lad, not a huge drinker and very seldom gambled, we were friends as in we often chatted in the pub but were never close friends.
Martin arrives in to one of our shops and presents his bet, £263.40 on Norris Cole @ 2/1, on the Who stole Dereks Gnome market.
The strange £263.40 stake obviously meant that it was a syndicate bet, and more strangely there were no follow-on bets, if Martin had the inside information then after having his bet or syndicate bet he would surely have passed on the information to others or had further bets himself, but he didn't.
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The market was set up some time in the summer of 1995 with an end date of 31st December 1995 just so as it would not drag on forever with the result possibly never being known and all bets would be voided and stakes returned on Jan 1st 1996. Martin's bet was struck a few days after the market was formed in the Summer of 1995.
6 months later very late in December 1995 on Christmas week just a few days before all bets on the market would be voided, this happened;
Start watching @ 3.55, it's only a few seconds long;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4Glk_S2SuE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4Glk_S2SuE)
My first son was born in Sept 1995 which severely restricted my in-town drinking habits and I never got to meet Martin again to find out where he got the information from on the Norris Cole bet, not that he would have told me anyways. That One bet has been a Bug-Bear of mine fer nearly Thirty years because I don't know how it happened ??, my best guess and it's only a guess is that Martin or someone in his syndicate had a relative in ITV who passed on the information.
But WHY were there no Follow-on bets ??
WHY was the result announced/program aired just a few days before the Finish/Void date ??
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what about the opposite situation ken.
what if a bookie had inside knowledge that there wasn't a prayer of a gambler winning on a particular event and still took all the bets. has that ever happenned.
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what about the opposite situation ken.
what if a bookie had inside knowledge that there wasn't a prayer of a gambler winning on a particular event and still took all the bets. has that ever happenned.
Yes of course, Bookies wil pay anyone with any tie to a big stable that can provide them with PROPER inside information, not much different really to Taxi drivers handing a few quid to a hotel concierge fer a few back-hand jobs.
I have worked the Gambling game fer 35 years and the Taxi game fer 15 years, fer Cuntbaggery the Taxi game is only a mere shadow of the Gambling game.
Read this;
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2002/oct/05/horseracing.gregwood (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2002/oct/05/horseracing.gregwood)
Or watch this;
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DqIgG3SnfwQo#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:0bbe3e93,vid:qIgG3SnfwQo,st:0 (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DqIgG3SnfwQo#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:0bbe3e93,vid:qIgG3SnfwQo,st:0)
And that's just the Tip of the iceberg !!