Irish Taxi Forum
Public Area => Taxi Talk => Topic started by: Rat Catcher on September 16, 2023, 11:27:40 am
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Good to see some attempt to address the ever-increasing level of deaths caused by driver controlled cars on our roads. However, without enforcement it will amount to nothing. Are lives being deliberately put at risk to facilitate the promotion of safer / environmentally friendlier alternatives to cars e.g. more buses, trains, (electric) scooters / bicycles, walking, etc?
On a related note, given that hybrid cars and (perhaps, to a lesser extent) EVs are relatively extremely inefficient if/when operated at speeds exceeding c.88 kilos/hour would it make sense to reduce the maximum speed limit to 90 kilos/hour on all roads, including motorways?
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Driving slower takes longer so exhaust spewing Poison for longer .Greens in a few years will be blaming reduced speed limits for the failure to clean up the air .Which gives off the Most heat as Global WARMING seems to be the issue a car driving slowly or a Big fat girl sweating on a bike .Slowing down cars will increase emissions and increase the Dead from Lung Disease numbers and reduce the ran over and made dead Numbers .The Equation might end up the same in deaths from vehicles just the method will change .How many Cyclists Killed since they started to promote Cycling or does that not count ?
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At lower revs (Revolutions Per Minute) a traditional combustion engine discharges less emmissions than at higher revs hence lower speeds have no adverse effects in that regard. However, energy consumption per kilo would be greatly reduced by simply lowering the maximum permissible speed to 90 kilos/hour, prticularly where hybrids and EVs (which are becoming increasingly popular) are concerned. Less power consumption = less power generation.
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At lower revs (Revolutions Per Minute) a traditional combustion engine discharges less emmissions than at higher revs hence lower speeds have no adverse effects in that regard. However, energy consumption per kilo would be greatly reduced by simply lowering the maximum permissible speed to 90 kilos/hour, prticularly where hybrids and EVs (which are becoming increasingly popular) are concerned. Less power consumption = less power generation.
Ther shud be a day in class driving test to explain how to drive for maximum efficiency..........thermodynamics shud be a subject in schools ......
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At lower revs (Revolutions Per Minute) a traditional combustion engine discharges less emmissions than at higher revs hence lower speeds have no adverse effects in that regard. However, energy consumption per kilo would be greatly reduced by simply lowering the maximum permissible speed to 90 kilos/hour, prticularly where hybrids and EVs (which are becoming increasingly popular) are concerned. Less power consumption = less power generation.
Ther shud be a day in class driving test to explain how to drive for maximum efficiency..........thermodynamics shud be a subject in schools ......
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https://www.torquenews.com/8113/what-it-means-hypermile-toyota-prius#:~:text=Hypermiling%20a%20Toyota%20Prius%20is,to%20gain%20more%20during%20regen. (https://www.torquenews.com/8113/what-it-means-hypermile-toyota-prius#:~:text=Hypermiling%20a%20Toyota%20Prius%20is,to%20gain%20more%20during%20regen.)
https://ecomodder.com/forum/showthread.php/100-mpg-prius-39355.html (https://ecomodder.com/forum/showthread.php/100-mpg-prius-39355.html)
https://www.idrivesafely.com/defensive-driving/trending/top-10-hypermiling-tips (https://www.idrivesafely.com/defensive-driving/trending/top-10-hypermiling-tips)
Don't mention it. 8)
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With Caths having to reach optimum temp to regenerate what effect will snail driving have on them .Will it cost drivers thousands in blocked Caths ?Like I said more dangerous emissions to kill people that survived traffic accidents ?
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When are the Fucking Bike Nazis going to understand cutting Speed Limits and Emissions from cars is not the Answer to every problem .Leo the Fucktard has over ruled his Minister for Agriculture on Cutting Fertaliser use .Or in Real term A Cow Shits a half a ton of Shit a year and the limit is 1.7 tons per acre .That means you can only keep 3and a third of a cow per acre any more and there is to much Fertaliser Nitrate per acre and it cannot be absorbed into the land so washes off into the Watercourse .Look North to Lough Neigh or read up about California's Salton Sea spewing toxic fumes,to see the damage caused by this polution . The Farmers are a huge lobby Group in this country and have held every government to ransome as they have a huge vote .Makes you wonder if giving the Greens more speed restrictions to reduce emissions is a pay off for not annoying the Farmers .
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When are the Fucking Bike Nazis going to understand cutting Speed Limits and Emissions from cars is not the Answer to every problem .Leo the Fucktard has over ruled his Minister for Agriculture on Cutting Fertaliser use .Or in Real term A Cow Shits a half a ton of Shit a year and the limit is 1.7 tons per acre .That means you can only keep 3and a third of a cow per acre any more and there is to much Fertaliser Nitrate per acre and it cannot be absorbed into the land so washes off into the Watercourse .Look North to Lough Neigh or read up about California's Salton Sea spewing toxic fumes,to see the damage caused by this polution . The Farmers are a huge lobby Group in this country and have held every government to ransome as they have a huge vote .Makes you wonder if giving the Greens more speed restrictions to reduce emissions is a pay off for not annoying the Farmers .
Fixed yer post:
The Farmers are a huge Jobby Group. 8)
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Thats exactly the Point .But take a dairy heard they collect up all the Slurry but there is nowhere to spread it LEGALLY .We have more Cows and less farmland the Sums do not add up .Have you seen the Lough Neigh stuff on the BBC .Lake is full of Algi that will destroy the Lake and that is where they draw most of their drinking water from .It has been said that World War Three will be fought over Water .
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Good to see some attempt to address the ever-increasing level of deaths caused by driver controlled cars on our roads. However, without enforcement it will amount to nothing. Are lives being deliberately put at risk to facilitate the promotion of safer / environmentally friendlier alternatives to cars e.g. more buses, trains, (electric) scooters / bicycles, walking, etc?
On a related note, given that hybrid cars and (perhaps, to a lesser extent) EVs are relatively extremely inefficient if/when operated at speeds exceeding c.88 kilos/hour would it make sense to reduce the maximum speed limit to 90 kilos/hour on all roads, including motorways?
It's very hard to do 30kph in an automatic (EV). There's no 1st or 2nd gear, just go and go faster on the go-go pedal. Tried it at the weekend (in Eco mode & highest regen) on a quiet side road and it was practically impossible. You spend 90% of your time looking at the speedo, instead of the road. And it's painfully slow - passengers would think you were taking the piss. Esp if you were to drive down a wide straight road like Ballymun Road.
My car does have cruise control but the slowest setting is 60kph!
And before you slag me off for having a heavy foot, try it yourself!
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Reducing speed limits will not stop bad driving,people who are stupid will keep on doing the same stupid things behind the wheel,it won't make them suddenly think sensibly,the only people who will feel the pinch are people who drive normally and safely around the 45/50 kmh in town that are suddenly getting ticketed for doing what they've been doing since Adam was a boy. ::fds ::fds
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And the low speeds encourage pedestrians to take a chance and walk out in front of ya >:D It means they'll have a good chance of surviving AND suing you!
And who says speed is the only killer? Woman seriously injured in collision between two cyclists in Dublin (http://intaxi.org/forum/Woman seriously injured in collision between two cyclists in Dublin)
A woman was seriously injured in a collision between two cyclists in Dublin this morning. The female cyclist was taken from the scene in Glasnevin to the Mater Misericordiae University Hospital in Dublin, where she is being treated for serious injuries.
Drove by a few minutes after it happened. Always sad when you see someone out for the count and not even moving their legs...
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Reducing speed limits will not stop bad driving,people who are stupid will keep on doing the same stupid things behind the wheel,it won't make them suddenly think sensibly,the only people who will feel the pinch are people who drive normally and safely around the 45/50 kmh in town that are suddenly getting ticketed for doing what they've been doing since Adam was a boy. ::fds ::fds
Without enforcement it won't... but it's a step in the right direction. Speed is always a factor when death occurs as a result of a RTA.
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Reducing speed limits will not stop bad driving,people who are stupid will keep on doing the same stupid things behind the wheel,it won't make them suddenly think sensibly,the only people who will feel the pinch are people who drive normally and safely around the 45/50 kmh in town that are suddenly getting ticketed for doing what they've been doing since Adam was a boy. ::fds ::fds
Without enforcement it won't... but it's a step in the right direction. Speed is always a factor when death occurs as a result of a RTA.
I don't think one of those horrible multi young death crashes would have been averted by lower speed limits,country roads impossible to have cops on them all so people just do what they want.It's the people who live in regular enforcement zones who will feel the brunt of this.
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Without the benefit of your medical/forensic training/experience (delete as appropriate) one can only reitterate the BBO i.e. speed is always a factor when death occurs as a result of a RTA.
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@RC: What's 'the BBO'?
It might all be moot in a few years. AFAIK, every car sold in the EU from this year or next has to have a speed limiter installed (along with a SIM card to call 999 after you crash). I think they might be advisory at the beginning but eventually they'll be mandatory!
The EU has a very low opinion of it's drivers!
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Without the benefit of your medical/forensic training/experience (delete as appropriate) one can only reitterate the BBO i.e. speed is always a factor when death occurs as a result of a RTA.
I don't disagree but I think the people who speed outside major Cities will just keep on keeping on.
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BBO = Blatantly Bleedin' Obvious, Watty. I'm not sure the EU necessarily has a low opinion of drivers in general. It just makes sense to utilise technology to improve safety where practicable. In the UAE, for example, all taxis are fitted with speed monitoring devices and legislation accommodates automatic penalties. There's certainly a case for NTA and/or RSA at least undertaking a fact finding mission with a view to considering replicating such a system on our shores given that our RTA death rate is beyond crisis point and is still rising.
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I was down the Flats near the Church beside the Chipper with Big Dommo and his Granny and we were discussing Road Deaths and she said its the Governments fault .It use to be safe when they had a lad with a flag running ahead of the Car to worn people the car was comming ..Could we not have a lad on a bicycle or a Scooter riding in front of a car .A modern touch on an old Idea ?
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We will have to buy speed camera detectors if they bring in these new speed limits.
saw a taxi in Germany using one, it warned him of cameras and an accident on my trip to the airport.
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This might make interesting reading:
file:///C:/Users/Brian%20Madeley/OneDrive/Pictures/117530_9f07fa67-a283-4bb4-aeb5-5ca5a6de9eb6.pdf
ROAD TRAFFIC ACCIDENT HANDBOOK
assets.gov.ie
https://assets.gov.ie (https://assets.gov.ie) › ...
SECTION 3 RTA Procedure. 22. 3.1. Overall plan. 3.2. Incident Command at road traffic accidents. 3.3. Mobilising. 3.4. Arrival. 3.4.1 Approach to scene.
RTAs No longer exist [Read only] - Brentus
Having read the thread regarding cyclist and RTA's. I would like to pass on this very important information. I recently discovered after a local campaign regarding fire station closures. That Road Traffic Accidents no longer exist (RTA's). The emergency services in keeping with political correctness now have re-named RTA's to RTC's (Road Traffic Collisions). Fire services throught the country are currently implementing strategic plans and integrated risk management plans. To do this they need to utilise the fire service emergency toolkit computer model (FSEC). Why is this important because the FSEC computer does not recognise RTC's it would be overwhelmed. Again you ask why is this so important. Because you are 7x more likely to die in an RTC than an urban dwelling fire. So be reminded when they review the strategic plan in your area and the disposition of resources ask the question why RTC's are not included in FSEC. I do believe that one fire brigade has thrown the FSEC toolkit out.
The terminology RTA's and RTC's runs in tandem and it matters not which one is used. Everyone in that game knows what the meaning is. It will take a while for RTC to become the terminology of choice.
The reason it was changed was an 'Accident' can assume no one is to blame, whereas a 'Collision' does not. Many accidents/collisions are caused by poor driving and it is therefore important to establish this to try to prevent it happening again, by either punishing the transgressor or publishing penalties to others in the hope they'll take heed and be more careful.
I saw that in HOT FUZZ.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puK5CwThaq4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puK5CwThaq4) 8)
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Did anyone say that Wales have reduced the S.L. to 20 miles per hour. Is that near to 30kmp…………..Sorry! cant keep up? ::sleep
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30 KPH is about 18.9 MPH .
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Did anyone say that Wales have reduced the S.L. to 20 miles per hour. Is that near to 30kmp…………..Sorry! cant keep up? ::sleep
Yeah, it is happening in Welsh towns and villages. And because the police are soft and cuddly, they'll only offer 'words of advice' to those caught 'speeding' :o between 20-30 miles per hour during an introductory period.
I can't help but wonder if cyclists and scooters are going to get a free ride, if you'll pardon the pun, with these new rules?
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More importantly, given the current crisis on our roads, people have a 90% chance of surviving being struck by a motor vehicle travelling at 30 kilos/hour compared to less than 50% chance of surviving being struck at 50+ kilos/hour.
Food for thought:
https://georgeruns30x30.com/speed-limit-of-30km-h-cities/
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Interesting article. In places where they'd tried to quantify the cost-benefits, they reckon they saved 3 times the money it cost to implement the charges.
Based on a Welsh Government report, the direct estimated costs of introducing the 20 mph default will be £32.3M. This report estimates the casualty savings of 20mph, in the first year alone, to be just over £92M; nearly three times higher than the implementation cost. The benefits, over a three year period, are between eight and nine times higher than the costs of implementation (£275.8M). Road crash casualty savings in the first year alone are almost three times the implementation costs (Andrian Davis, 2022).
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Interesting article. In places where they'd tried to quantify the cost-benefits, they reckon they saved 3 times the money it cost to implement the charges.
Based on a Welsh Government report, the direct estimated costs of introducing the 20 mph default will be £32.3M. This report estimates the casualty savings of 20mph, in the first year alone, to be just over £92M; nearly three times higher than the implementation cost. The benefits, over a three year period, are between eight and nine times higher than the costs of implementation (£275.8M). Road crash casualty savings in the first year alone are almost three times the implementation costs (Andrian Davis, 2022).
Survivability surely increases costs as disabled provision doesn't come cheap. A funeral can be held under a grand if you go to the CWO...better still GoFundMe "Fly high in Paradise Bud"!! 8)
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The "Might as well be hung fer a Sheep as a Lamb" theory may come in to play if these new speed limits do get inforced.
The majority of folk do obey the speed limits but if they get reset to ridiculous low levels than quite a few may totally ignore them. Where once an ordinary Joe soap would stay under the 100kmph on secondary roads but if it get reduced to 80kmph then Joe just might ignore it completly and take a chance doing 120kmph+ thinking I may as well be hung fer a Sheep as a Lamb !
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The lower penalty point limit ought to apply to "professional" drivers given that we're already subject to the lower drink drive limit.
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The lower penalty point limit ought to apply to "professional" drivers given that we're already subject to the lower drink drive limit.
Self Flagellation and masochism your specialty Rat... :o :o :o :o
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The lower penalty point limit ought to apply to "professional" drivers given that we're already subject to the lower drink drive limit.
Self Flagellation and masochism your specialty Rat... :o :o :o :o
Needs to change his "Sanctity" aftershave.,,,'nawful bang off it.
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The lower penalty point limit ought to apply to "professional" drivers given that we're already subject to the lower drink drive limit.
Self Flagellation and masochism your specialty Rat... :o :o :o :o
Needs to change his "Sanctity" aftershave.,,,'nawful bang off it.
Poacher turned gamekeeper. 8)
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I think there's a good case for reducing our points targets in line with our reduced drink drive limit. If RSA were to look in here I'm sure they would agree given talk of speed gun detectors and such like. Professional drivers ought to set an example to the amateurs on our roads and we ought to provide a safer alternative to traditional car ownership.