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Public Area => Taxi Talk => Topic started by: John m on January 07, 2024, 11:36:02 am
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Anybody put a 2015 dated motor through the Nct/Suitability are we getting an extension or are they off the road next year ?
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Anybody put a 2015 dated motor through the Nct/Suitability are we getting an extension or are they off the road next year ?
Final date it can be used as a taxi should be on the licence John.
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They have extended other vehicles later in the Year .We were off the road for two years obaying covid instructions the two year grace should apply to ALL vehicles that were on the road pre Covid .If it was to be fair .
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I think u can plead ur case
A letter saying no money or loan
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I've 170k on me nearly six yer old taxi .....does that mean I'm a lazy cnut ?
Yawn....that reminds me
::sleep
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Anybody put a 2015 dated motor through the Nct/Suitability are we getting an extension or are they off the road next year ?
My 131 Prius taxi licence expires on 25th July 2026.
As Jack says, the expiry date is on the bottom left of your SPSV licence from the NTA.
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The NTA have moved the goalposts a few times already.I know lads who upgraded their vehicles a bit early only to miss out on significant age extensions.One or two were quite angry about it.
Best plan is to try and save for a change but don't jump until you really have to.I jumped a bit early but only because I had access to a free loan for a limited time.I could have held off again but had to get the finger out.
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They have extended other vehicles later in the Year .We were off the road for two years obaying covid instructions the two year grace should apply to ALL vehicles that were on the road pre Covid .If it was to be fair .
That is Not actually true John M. We as taxi drivers were considered as essential workers and were allowed to work during the entire covid period.
The 6 monthly NCT and suitability is a proper pain in the ass after the cab is 10 years old, also the maintenance costs on an over 10 year old Taxi do tend to go up. I traded up my '08 in 2020 fer the above reasons.
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What shoulda been done and what was done are two different things, erm. Most of us can prove we took public health advice and stayed at home through our acceptance of Dr. Leo's most generous 350 notes per week PUP and, subsequently, lower rates imposed by Meehaul and, indeed, our subsequent PTSE claims.
Dr. Leo is great so he is... long live Dr. Leo and roll on COVID '20...
Anywaysanall, the greens are currently throwing billions of euros at us to buy EV nuas... and wondering why we don't work beyond 18:27!
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Prices of cars crazy now
2018 pruis is 18k
Only 4 yr work on it
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Anybody put a 2015 dated motor through the Nct/Suitability are we getting an extension or are they off the road next year ?
My 131 Prius taxi licence expires on 25th July 2026.
As Jack says, the expiry date is on the bottom left of your SPSV licence from the NTA.
@ SB. On the driver check app your prius license is due to expire on 25/1/2024 ??
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Anybody put a 2015 dated motor through the Nct/Suitability are we getting an extension or are they off the road next year ?
My 131 Prius taxi licence expires on 25th July 2026.
As Jack says, the expiry date is on the bottom left of your SPSV licence from the NTA.
@ SB. On the driver check app your prius license is due to expire on 25/1/2024 ??
I did the NCTS last week and passed. The next NCTS is due before 09/07/2024.
(https://i.postimg.cc/c4xsYqkH/PR1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/23tRRtDR)
The sPSV licence renewal is due before the 25th of January:
(https://i.postimg.cc/8CM89wX9/PR2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/HJYP70g9)
The final operating date is 25/06/2026. That's 898 days Wahoo!! 8)
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My Bad, what it sez on the driver check app is when your current vehicle license expires not the final date of operation. oops
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Just knocked this out to a few People .
To whom it may concern ,
I am the driver of a taxi *****151 .Which reaches its end of life in January next year .Older cars received an age extension and I am writing to enquire if my vehicle will be afforded the same grace period .I withdrew from service as requested during the Covid Pandemic so lost out on the use of my vehicle while still paying off my vehicle loan.Lack of earnings during covid exhausted all my savings and I do not have credit or savings to hand to replace this vehicle .My credit rating is low due to mortgage and other deferments during the Government Lockdown .I would suggest any vehicle in the taxi fleet pre covid Lockdown should be considered for a two year extension to its end of service date to compensate drivers who aquessed to government request to stay home stay safe .
I look forward to your consideration on this issue as many drivers will be forced into insolvency if they are required to replace good vehicles having not had the full use of the vehicle .I can provide Insurance letter to confirm I did not work as a taxi driver during the Emergency in line with Government Request .
Regards
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The last age extension on black beauty was very late coming.They'll do feck all until the last minute as usual.
I'd say that you're gonna struggle to argue your case seeing that so many new motors are already being plated up.The NTAs original excuses was mainly due to to the global semiconductor shortage and lack of cars.Plenty for sale now.
All they have to do is ask Freenow what their drivers are earning and you're snookered.I'd say they know well what the hungas are getting.
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The last age extension on black beauty was very late coming.They'll do feck all until the last minute as usual.
I'd say that you're gonna struggle to argue your case seeing that so many new motors are already being plated up.The NTAs original excuses was mainly due to to the global semiconductor shortage and lack of cars.Plenty for sale now.
All they have to do is ask Freenow what their drivers are earning and you're snookered.I'd say they know well what the hungas are getting.
Its just a matter of asking the question .There is only 170,000 on my yoke .You could buy a 3 year old Repomobile with higher milage than that .
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The last age extension on black beauty was very late coming.They'll do feck all until the last minute as usual.
I'd say that you're gonna struggle to argue your case seeing that so many new motors are already being plated up.The NTAs original excuses was mainly due to to the global semiconductor shortage and lack of cars.Plenty for sale now.
All they have to do is ask Freenow what their drivers are earning and you're snookered.I'd say they know well what the hungas are getting.
If you didn't live in Clondalkin you could cosy my heap.
Its just a matter of asking the question .There is only 170,000 on my yoke .You could buy a 3 year old Repomobile with higher milage than that .
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I fell unfortunately in to a very small window fer some drivers during covid whereas after the NCT centers reopened my cab had just 2 weeks to get an NCT and without NCT I could not pass suitability. But I could not get an NCT appointment fer 8 weeks anywhere and I pleaded my case to the NTA who gave me no leeway at all and offered me nothing only to go off the road fer 2 months till I got my NTC.
My phone bill fer that month was up over a Deuce mostly spent on hold to the NTA or NTC.
I did pull a few strokes to get the NCT done in time and passed out, but the NTA were of no assistance to me at all, with one NTA supervisor even barking down the phone at me; "It's not our fault that you cannot get an NCT !".
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I fell unfortunately in to a very small window fer some drivers during covid whereas after the NCT centers reopened my cab had just 2 weeks to get an NCT and without NCT I could not pass suitability. But I could not get an NCT appointment fer 8 weeks anywhere and I pleaded my case to the NTA who gave me no leeway at all and offered me nothing only to go off the road fer 2 months till I got my NTC.
My phone bill fer that month was up over a Deuce mostly spent on hold to the NTA or NTC.
I did pull a few strokes to get the NCT done in time and passed out, but the NTA were of no assistance to me at all, with one NTA supervisor even barking down the phone at me; "It's not our fault that you cannot get an NCT !".
Hope you changed you mobile plan.
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Just knocked this out to a few People .
To whom it may concern ,
I am the driver of a taxi *****151 .Which reaches its end of life in January next year .Older cars received an age extension and I am writing to enquire if my vehicle will be afforded the same grace period .I withdrew from service as requested during the Covid Pandemic so lost out on the use of my vehicle while still paying off my vehicle loan.Lack of earnings during covid exhausted all my savings and I do not have credit or savings to hand to replace this vehicle .My credit rating is low due to mortgage and other deferments during the Government Lockdown .I would suggest any vehicle in the taxi fleet pre covid Lockdown should be considered for a two year extension to its end of service date to compensate drivers who aquessed to government request to stay home stay safe .
I look forward to your consideration on this issue as many drivers will be forced into insolvency if they are required to replace good vehicles having not had the full use of the vehicle .I can provide Insurance letter to confirm I did not work as a taxi driver during the Emergency in line with Government Request .
Regards
Dear Mr. M,
Thank you for your interest in this matter.
Please be advised that vehicle age extensions were implemented on foot of disruption caused by COVID '19 following an extensive public consultation process. At this juncture NTA has no plans to implement any amendments to the same.
Kind Regards,
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Dear Mr
Thank you for contacting the National Transport Authority. We refer to the correspondence received on the 10th of January.
While we sympathise with your situation, unfortunately, the National Transport Authority are bound by regulations and cannot make exceptions regarding age rules on vehicles.
S.I. No. 33/2015 - Taxi Regulation (Small Public Service Vehicle) Regulations 2015.
31. (1) Subject to paragraphs (2) and (3), the maximum permissible age of a—
(a) standard taxi, standard hackney or local area hackney is ten years from the date of first registration of the vehicle, and
Please be advised, the registration 151C1990 on the vehicle licence T38179 does notqualify for a contingency final operation date. These regulations permit an extension to the final operation of vehicles due to reach their final operation date/maximum permissible age between the 13th of March 2020 and the 31st of December 2024. Please be advised, the final operation date for 151C1990 is the 9th of January 2025.
Yours sincerely,
National Transport Authority
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Dear Mr
Thank you for contacting the National Transport Authority. We refer to the correspondence received on the 10th of January.
While we sympathise with your situation, unfortunately, the National Transport Authority are bound by regulations and cannot make exceptions regarding age rules on vehicles.
S.I. No. 33/2015 - Taxi Regulation (Small Public Service Vehicle) Regulations 2015.
31. (1) Subject to paragraphs (2) and (3), the maximum permissible age of a—
(a) standard taxi, standard hackney or local area hackney is ten years from the date of first registration of the vehicle, and
Please be advised, the registration 151C1990 on the vehicle licence T38179 does notqualify for a contingency final operation date. These regulations permit an extension to the final operation of vehicles due to reach their final operation date/maximum permissible age between the 13th of March 2020 and the 31st of December 2024. Please be advised, the final operation date for 151C1990 is the 9th of January 2025.
Yours sincerely,
National Transport Authority
If you do days you can cosy mine. Just leave your yoke here so I can go for messages etc.
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Thanks Brian .I have a year until Jan next year .But they can change the rules when it suits them Looking for a 7 year old yoke high miles for about £900 import it from the Motherland .Not interested in spending real money on a car to haul drunks .
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Thanks Brian .I have a year until Jan next year .But they can change the rules when it suits them Looking for a 7 year old yoke high miles for about £900 import it from the Motherland .Not interested in spending real money on a car to haul drunks .
I've a niece in Inverness who could have a look around for you. her hubby is a cop so no messing!
I like this : https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202311304420677?dueToME&sort=relevance&advertising-location=at_cars&body-type=Saloon&postcode=IV11ET&price-from=500&price-to=5000&radius=25&year-to=2024&fromsra (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202311304420677?dueToME&sort=relevance&advertising-location=at_cars&body-type=Saloon&postcode=IV11ET&price-from=500&price-to=5000&radius=25&year-to=2024&fromsra)
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202311304420677?dueToME&sort=relevance&advertising-location=at_cars&body-type=Saloon&page=1&postcode=IV11ET&price-from=500&price-to=5000&radius=25&year-to=2024&fromsra (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202311304420677?dueToME&sort=relevance&advertising-location=at_cars&body-type=Saloon&page=1&postcode=IV11ET&price-from=500&price-to=5000&radius=25&year-to=2024&fromsra)
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Thanks Brian .I have a year until Jan next year .But they can change the rules when it suits them Looking for a 7 year old yoke high miles for about £900 import it from the Motherland .Not interested in spending real money on a car to haul drunks .
I've a niece in Inverness who could have a look around for you. her hubby is a cop so no messing!
I like this : https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202311304420677?dueToME&sort=relevance&advertising-location=at_cars&body-type=Saloon&postcode=IV11ET&price-from=500&price-to=5000&radius=25&year-to=2024&fromsra (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202311304420677?dueToME&sort=relevance&advertising-location=at_cars&body-type=Saloon&postcode=IV11ET&price-from=500&price-to=5000&radius=25&year-to=2024&fromsra)
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202311304420677?dueToME&sort=relevance&advertising-location=at_cars&body-type=Saloon&page=1&postcode=IV11ET&price-from=500&price-to=5000&radius=25&year-to=2024&fromsra (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202311304420677?dueToME&sort=relevance&advertising-location=at_cars&body-type=Saloon&page=1&postcode=IV11ET&price-from=500&price-to=5000&radius=25&year-to=2024&fromsra)
I like Saab: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202312154828011?sort=relevance&advertising-location=at_cars&make=Saab&model=9-5&page=1&postcode=IV11ET&year-to=2024&fromsra (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202312154828011?sort=relevance&advertising-location=at_cars&make=Saab&model=9-5&page=1&postcode=IV11ET&year-to=2024&fromsra)
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Stick up the links to the cheap cars.I've Never been able to find anything roadworthy for the prices you read on here sometines.Yer probably still looking at big money for a car that can be licensed for three years.
This is the exact reason so many of us went electric,everything else was too pricey.
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Stick up the links to the cheap cars.I've Never been able to find anything roadworthy for the prices you read on here sometines.Yer probably still looking at big money for a car that can be licensed for three years.
This is the exact reason so many of us went electric,everything else was too pricey.
I thought John was looking for a reasonably cheap runabout, not a taxi.
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Krippelvagens from the mainland:
https://www.jubileemobility.co.uk/?gclid=Cj0KCQiAwP6sBhDAARIsAPfK_wbJipTD0B94JgmY4A25VSWDYqQMRhfWo3DPpY6DfLBgc6hNXnosmNIaAg2eEALw_wcB (https://www.jubileemobility.co.uk/?gclid=Cj0KCQiAwP6sBhDAARIsAPfK_wbJipTD0B94JgmY4A25VSWDYqQMRhfWo3DPpY6DfLBgc6hNXnosmNIaAg2eEALw_wcB)
https://www.jubileemobility.co.uk/find-a-wav/?size=small-wav (https://www.jubileemobility.co.uk/find-a-wav/?size=small-wav)
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I just assumed he was doing his sums for when he does have to change in a year.
Either way after checking on Carsireland the cheapest 2014 vehicle on there that would be suitable for taxi work is a 5k Citroen.If ya strech to 6k ya might get another Fluence.Mad money.
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I just assumed he was doing his sums for when he does have to change in a year.
Either way after checking on Carsireland the cheapest 2014 vehicle on there that would be suitable for taxi work is a 5k Citroen.If ya strech to 6k ya might get another Fluence.Mad money.
But sure isn't a 2014 car ineligible in 2024?
p.s. I saw my first 241 reg vehicle [not a taxi] last night parked in a council house in Coolock. 8)
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Yeah it's not gonna last long but gives an idea where prices are at the minute.
I think the new cars in the corpo estate is common enough now.Many of the gaffs were bought cheap years ago so they've little outgoings and nothing else to show for going to work when some of the neighbours don't work at all.There's also the idea that by keeping new they'll never have to repair it.It's an expensive hobby to be trying to keep the cars fresh every few years.
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I fell unfortunately in to a very small window fer some drivers during covid whereas after the NCT centers reopened my cab had just 2 weeks to get an NCT and without NCT I could not pass suitability. But I could not get an NCT appointment fer 8 weeks anywhere and I pleaded my case to the NTA who gave me no leeway at all and offered me nothing only to go off the road fer 2 months till I got my NTC.
My phone bill fer that month was up over a Deuce mostly spent on hold to the NTA or NTC.
I did pull a few strokes to get the NCT done in time and passed out, but the NTA were of no assistance to me at all, with one NTA supervisor even barking down the phone at me; "It's not our fault that you cannot get an NCT !".
Hope you changed you mobile plan.
I'm with vodafone on a red buisness plan with all the bells and whistles but it does not cover landline charges.
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Dear Mr
Thank you for contacting the National Transport Authority. We refer to the correspondence received on the 10th of January.
While we sympathise with your situation, unfortunately, the National Transport Authority are bound by regulations and cannot make exceptions regarding age rules on vehicles.
S.I. No. 33/2015 - Taxi Regulation (Small Public Service Vehicle) Regulations 2015.
31. (1) Subject to paragraphs (2) and (3), the maximum permissible age of a—
(a) standard taxi, standard hackney or local area hackney is ten years from the date of first registration of the vehicle, and
Please be advised, the registration 151C1990 on the vehicle licence T38179 does notqualify for a contingency final operation date. These regulations permit an extension to the final operation of vehicles due to reach their final operation date/maximum permissible age between the 13th of March 2020 and the 31st of December 2024. Please be advised, the final operation date for 151C1990 is the 9th of January 2025.
Yours sincerely,
National Transport Authority
Bummer that you have to pay €150 suitability fer a full year and only get 5.5 months out of it. ::fds
Would you consider going EV with all the grants John m ?
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Dear Mr
Thank you for contacting the National Transport Authority. We refer to the correspondence received on the 10th of January.
While we sympathise with your situation, unfortunately, the National Transport Authority are bound by regulations and cannot make exceptions regarding age rules on vehicles.
S.I. No. 33/2015 - Taxi Regulation (Small Public Service Vehicle) Regulations 2015.
31. (1) Subject to paragraphs (2) and (3), the maximum permissible age of a—
(a) standard taxi, standard hackney or local area hackney is ten years from the date of first registration of the vehicle, and
Please be advised, the registration 151C1990 on the vehicle licence T38179 does notqualify for a contingency final operation date. These regulations permit an extension to the final operation of vehicles due to reach their final operation date/maximum permissible age between the 13th of March 2020 and the 31st of December 2024. Please be advised, the final operation date for 151C1990 is the 9th of January 2025.
Yours sincerely,
National Transport Authority
To be fair they used way more words than I suggested.
Why did you remove your las name yet leave your plate and reg numbers in?
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I have contacted Young lad from Blanchardstown and the Taxi reg for access to the appeals process .They have already extended other vehicles death throw which they did not confirm in their reply .I may take legal action under the trades description legislation as I am not getting equal usage from my investment in the industry .
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I have contacted Young lad from Blanchardstown and the Taxi reg for access to the appeals process .They have already extended other vehicles death throw which they did not confirm in their reply .I may take legal action under the trades description legislation as I am not getting equal usage from my investment in the industry .
I would not fancy your chances there John m.
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I have contacted Young lad from Blanchardstown and the Taxi reg for access to the appeals process .They have already extended other vehicles death throw which they did not confirm in their reply .I may take legal action under the trades description legislation as I am not getting equal usage from my investment in the industry .
I would not fancy your chances there John m.
I dont fancy it either but they said they could not do it but they already did .So it is arbitrary .I will put in a FOI to get the minutes of the meeting that decided on the Previous extension .
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Of course they can do it, but highly unlikely that they will, just the same as they did nothing fer me during covid when I could not get an NCT.
If they do it fer one, then they will have to do it fer all and they have had their mind set on the 10 year saloon rule fer a long time. The only thing I see slightly in your favour is that if your cab gets an extension it will need to be off the road by the end of 2026 when the full implementation of the 10 year rule finally comes in to effect.
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My suggestion was ANY vehicle in the Fleet pre covid should get an extension .Some shops and businesses got rate exemptions as they did not trade .I still had to pay my car loan but got no use ..
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My suggestion was ANY vehicle in the Fleet pre covid should get an extension .Some shops and businesses got rate exemptions as they did not trade .I still had to pay my car loan but got no use ..
If you had some support from about a dozen more drivers in the same boat, then maybe, but I don't think you have as most have already taken the generous EV grant. Like i said earlier the only thing in your favour is that if those cabs gets a short extension they will need to be off the road by the end of 2026 when the full implementation of the 10 year rule finally comes in to effect. The NTA have had their mind set on that 10 year saloon rule fer a long time now.
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JohnM would have a strong case in court if the NTA tells him there is no appeals process. Can't give any specific examples but I've read many news reports over the years where judges hate it when large admin authorities like the NTA don't have appeals processes for the common man.
And what 10 year rule? The one that started at 15, then dropped to 9, maybe moved to 12 before settling on 10 years. Unless you've a WAT. Why should the back seat cushions in an 11 yr old WAT get preferential treatment over the back seats in a 11 yr old saloon taxi? And then it was all thrown out the window when covid came along.
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One would imagine all your queries will be directed to NTA who will seek to rely on the fact that any and all amendments to the relevant regulations satisfied the legal framework within which they were made including but not limited to an extensive public consultation process.
I did, however, hear with my own ears a Minister (I think it was Minister Ryan himself) tell the Oireachtas that some regulation or other (probably something to do with taxis) was in the process of being implemented and was just awaiting completion of the public consultation phase which he described in plain English as a mere formality. Unfortunately, I can't find the transcript with Google but you can take it from me that's what was said. If you could find the transcript it would undoubtedly strengthen your case. In any event, if I were you I would be requesting all data relevant to the public consultation as well as the minutes of relevant meetings... as the same will show how narrowly the single option put to the public was termed.
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Rodent Is this the relevent Dail Reply ...I want to ask the Minister about the efforts he is making to ensure the sustainability and viability of the taxi sector; if he will abandon or extend by five years the ten-year rule; if he will relax constraints preventing the transfer of plates; and if he will make a statement on the matter.
Eamon Ryan
Minister for Transport (Deputy Eamon Ryan)
I assure the Deputy that I as Minister, and the National Transport Authority, NTA, as the statutory taxi regulator, are committed to ensuring a sustainable and viable taxi sector. That commitment is evidenced by the supports introduced in recent years to assist the sector as it dealt with, and now recovers from, the Covid-19 pandemic. These supports include the electric small public service vehicles, eSPSV, grant scheme to which I allocated €15 million this year and which supports drivers in their transition to zero- or low-emission vehicles. The eSPSV business loan provided by Microfinance Ireland is also there to support those SPSV owners accessing the eSPSV grant scheme who are unable to secure finance from financial institutions. The Government's generally applicable reduction in fuel-related duties introduced this year has also helped.
((((((((((((The NTA's previous extensions of the maximum permissible age for vehicles ensured no operator exited the industry simply because of the need to replace a vehicle.))))))))))) The NTA launched a driver recruitment campaign this summer to promote the sector as a place of employment for people. The NTA recently announced new fares, which are weighted in favour of those drivers working at unsocial hours, late at night and on bank holidays. In addition, this week the NTA announced a public consultation on a further extension to the maximum permissible age of vehicles in recognition of the difficulties currently being experienced by operators in sourcing new vehicles.
Finally, the transfer of licences is currently prohibited under the legislation. However, there are exceptions provided in the case of the death of a licence holder and that licence holder has previously nominated another individual to operate the licence. I know the issue of transferability was a topic of discussion recently at the advisory committee on SPSVs and I understand the committee intends to consider the issue further.
Darren O'Rourke
Deputy Darren O'Rourke
There has been a welcome U-turn on the ten-year rule. We have discussed this on a number of occasions in the Chamber and in the committee. I believe there was intransigence on the part of the responsible authorities, which flew in the face of the obvious. I welcome that there has been a U-turn and that there is a consultation, which I hope will come to a successful conclusion. An extension of the ten-year rule will mean that up to 4,000 vehicles will not be off the road next year. Is the whole episode not proof-positive that the Taxi Advisory Committee does not work? It is not reflective of the taxi sector. It is not putting its hand up and saying we need these interventions from the NTA. The NTA told us yesterday that it was an executive decision. The Taxi Advisory Committee does not work. Will the Minister scrap it?
Eamon Ryan
Deputy Eamon Ryan
It is the job of the NTA to make executive decisions. It is the job of the advisory committee to give advice and to consider and inform what the NTA and the Department do. Far from it being a U-turn, it recognises the reality that it is very difficult to get the vehicles at the present time. Everyone knows this. There is a global supply shock in terms of the availability of vehicles. To be honest, having to do an extension is not ideal. We want a modern fleet. That is not to say anything against taxi drivers or the industry; it is a case of setting certain standards. In circumstances where the world is in a state of supply shock, it is correct to come to this alternative decision. The decision will go to public consultation for a number of weeks, but I expect it will be introduced. I am pleased the NTA took that decision.
Darren O'Rourke
Deputy Darren O'Rourke
I hope it is introduced but it is a U-turn. A number of months ago when I raised the issue with the Minister, he could not have been more categoric in his opposition to it, despite the fact that at the time taxi drivers right across the country were shouting from the rooftops about the impending crisis. The job of the Taxi Advisory Committee is to advise. The NTA told us yesterday that it did not advise on the impending crisis. At the transport committee last week, we heard from the four groups representing taxi drivers across the country. They are not part of the Taxi Advisory Committee because they see it as a talking shop that does nothing to serve the interests of the taxi industry. The fact that the advisory committee was not shouting from the rooftop that this impending crisis was on the way is proof-positive of that. It is not fit for purpose. It is provided for in legislation but I believe it needs to be scrapped. Will the Minister scrap it and replace it with a proper forum for taxi drivers?
Eamon Ryan
Deputy Eamon Ryan
No. I very much respect the various taxi associations in Dublin and I engaged with them over the years. They have a vital role, but there are also organisations right across the country and a whole variety of different interests when it comes to licensed vehicles. The advisory body must be a national one. I hope it can include some taxi organisations in Dublin and I would very much encourage that. My approach is not to scrap it. The make-up may change over time, as it should, and it will continue to do so but I do not think it would help anyone in any way to scrap it and set up a very similar national organisation to do the same thing.
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Recently I contacted the NTA and Your Constituency office on this Issue .
To whom it may concern ,
I am the driver of a taxi *****C151 .Which reaches its end of life in January next year .Older cars received an age extension and I am writing to enquire if my vehicle will be afforded the same grace period .I withdrew from service as requested during the Covid Pandemic so lost out on the use of my vehicle while still paying off my vehicle loan.Lack of earnings during covid exhausted all my savings and I do not have credit or savings to hand to replace this vehicle .My credit rating is low due to mortgage and other deferments during the Government Lockdown .I would suggest any vehicle in the taxi fleet pre covid Lockdown should be considered for a two year extension to its end of service date to compensate drivers who aquessed to government request to stay home stay safe .
I look forward to your consideration on this issue as many drivers will be forced into insolvency if they are required to replace good vehicles having not had the full use of the vehicle .I can provide Insurance letter to confirm I did not work as a taxi driver during the Emergency in line with Government Request .
Regards .
John
I recieved a Reply from the NTA Case Reference Number: CA
Dear Mr Mc
Thank you for contacting the National Transport Authority. We refer to the correspondence received on the 10th of January.
While we sympathise with your situation, unfortunately, the National Transport Authority are bound by regulations and cannot make exceptions regarding age rules on vehicles.
S.I. No. 33/2015 - Taxi Regulation (Small Public Service Vehicle) Regulations 2015.
31. (1) Subject to paragraphs (2) and (3), the maximum permissible age of a—
(a) standard taxi, standard hackney or local area hackney is ten years from the date of first registration of the vehicle, and
Please be advised, the registration ****C1990 on the vehicle licence Txxxx does notqualify for a contingency final operation date. These regulations permit an extension to the final operation of vehicles due to reach their final operation date/maximum permissible age between the 13th of March 2020 and the 31st of December 2024. Please be advised, the final operation date for 151C1990 is the 9th of January 2025.
Yours sincerely,
National Transport Authority
Can you advise me on the Appeals Procedure to challenge this as Minister Ryan in Dail Eireann in reply to Deputy Darren O Rourke stated to the House "The NTA's previous extensions of the maximum permissible age for vehicles ensured no operator exited the industry simply because of the need to replace a vehicle. " I as explained in my original E mail I will be forced off the road and out of the industry as I cannot afford to replace my present vehicle due to exhausting my savings during covid .
I look forward to your direction on this issue .
Regards .
John M
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I think it was reasonable of me to trust the word of the Minister when he said "no operator exited the industry simply because of the need to replace a vehicle. QED !
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Thank you for contacting the National Transport Authority.
On the 18th of November 2022, the NTA Board approved the signing of the below Regulations.
Small Public Service Vehicle (Contingency Measure – Vehicle Supply) (Maximum Permissible Age) Regulations
Recent climate, energy and geopolitical challenges, in particular, have made it unfeasible for all end of life SPSVs to be replaced before they reach their final operation date. These regulations facilitate the licensing of eligible taxis and hackneys for additional operation in excess of the usual Maximum Permissible Age Requirements.
These regulations permit an extension to the final operation date of vehicles due to reach their final date of operation/maximum permissible age between 13 March 2020 and 31 December 2024.
SPSV licence holders will receive communications in the coming weeks confirming the new final operation date of their current licensed vehicle.
A review of the suitability of the exceptional contingency Regulations will happen at the end of 2023.
If you have any questions in relation to the above, please do not hesitate to contact us on 0818-064000.
Yours sincerely,
National Transport Authority
This is a mail from Dec 22--------anybody get of the "Review"--I didn't so mailed them for details--yet to hear from them !
Detest the way you never get a Name at the end of correspondance with them--
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List of NTRA board meetings --> https://www.nationaltransport.ie/about-us/board/ (https://www.nationaltransport.ie/about-us/board/)
Nov 22 meeting --> https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Minutes-of-Board-Meeting-November-2022.pdf (https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Minutes-of-Board-Meeting-November-2022.pdf)
9. Taxi/ SPSV
a) Draft Small Public Service Vehicle (Contingency Measure – Vehicle Supply) (Maximum
Permissible Age) Regulations
Ms Thompson provided an overview of the Draft Small Public Service Vehicle (Contingency Measure
– Vehicle Supply) (Maximum Permissible Age) Regulations and the submissions received from the
public consultation.
Following the overview provided by Ms Thompson, the Board approved the Draft Small Public Service
Vehicle (Contingency Measure – Vehicle Supply) (Maximum Permissible Age) Regulations.
b) Draft Small Public Service Vehicle (Fixed Payment Offences and Driver Licence Period)
Regulations.
Ms Thompson provided an overview of the Draft Small Public Service Vehicle (Fixed Payment Offences
and Driver Licence Period) Regulations and the submissions received from the public consultation.
Following the overview provided by Ms Thompson, the Board approved the Draft Small Public Service
Vehicle (Fixed Payment Offences and Driver Licence Period) Regulations
I don't see Ms Tompson's name listed in the attendee's at the top of the minutes.
I dunno. If the NTA board can change the rules once, they can change them a second time?
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Thanks Punter .I am relying on a reply by the relevant minister that I will not be forced out of the Industry .I would assume I can apply for a small business loan under the scheme he mentioned .I am thinking along these lines .If my vehicle is sentenced to death then I will apply for any new EV grant .If I can get a year or two extension then I will keep what I have .Then save some coin and then based on driver experience decide to go EV or Hybrid for my final vehicle .Imagine if Landlords were told they MUST decorate their Lounges or Bars at the whim of the licencing authority or you were told when to shave your dog by the Dog Licencing Authority .It is the Arbitrary nature of the Decision and the FACT the Minister said on the Record of the Dail that nobody would be forced out due to having to change a vehicle .I have requested direction on how to appeal this decision under any appeals process .
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Well, the landlords were told to basically put toilets in all the bedsits, effectively closing off cheap housing for a lot of people.
If I was arguing the point, I'd point to the different treatment saloons and WAT's get. Initially, there wasn't enough WAT's so they got special treatment and were allowed to go past 10yrs. Now I think WAT's make up over 10% of the fleet and the 10% NTA target has been achieved. But they're not changing the rules. So if they WAT's can get special treatment, why can't you?
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Well, the landlords were told to basically put toilets in all the bedsits, effectively closing off cheap housing for a lot of people.
If I was arguing the point, I'd point to the different treatment saloons and WAT's get. Initially, there wasn't enough WAT's so they got special treatment and were allowed to go past 10yrs. Now I think WAT's make up over 10% of the fleet and the 10% NTA target has been achieved. But they're not changing the rules. So if they WAT's can get special treatment, why can't you?
I think my issue can be restricted to Saloons comparing like with like .My maths if this makes any sense is If i can get two more years out of this That has a value of about 6 grand as depreciation is running about 3 grand a year on the Full Retail of EVs or Hybrids .So if I can save a notional 6 grand then if i buy a Hybrid for lets say 25.000 I gain 6 grand in use of my old motor and an extended usage two years on any new vehicle a notional saving of nearly 40% .Given a choice I think I would opt for a Hybrid over an EV .But a finance package would or could change my mind .
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Well, the landlords were told to basically put toilets in all the bedsits, effectively closing off cheap housing for a lot of people.
If I was arguing the point, I'd point to the different treatment saloons and WAT's get. Initially, there wasn't enough WAT's so they got special treatment and were allowed to go past 10yrs. Now I think WAT's make up over 10% of the fleet and the 10% NTA target has been achieved. But they're not changing the rules. So if they WAT's can get special treatment, why can't you?
I think my issue can be restricted to Saloons comparing like with like .My maths if this makes any sense is If i can get two more years out of this That has a value of about 6 grand as depreciation is running about 3 grand a year on the Full Retail of EVs or Hybrids .So if I can save a notional 6 grand then if i buy a Hybrid for lets say 25.000 I gain 6 grand in use of my old motor and an extended usage two years on any new vehicle a notional saving of nearly 40% .Given a choice I think I would opt for a Hybrid over an EV .But a finance package would or could change my mind .
This might help. They've been hounding me since I made a cursory enquiry in 2022:
https://microfinanceireland.ie/microfinance-ireland-backs-electric-taxis/
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I think it was reasonable of me to trust the word of the Minister when he said "no operator exited the industry simply because of the need to replace a vehicle. QED !
I think that was a covid related quote.
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I think it was reasonable of me to trust the word of the Minister when he said "no operator exited the industry simply because of the need to replace a vehicle. QED !
I think that was a covid related quote.
Ken why should ALL Vehicles in the Fleet Pre Covid not get an Extension ? The Minister made a statement in the Dail that drivers may of depended on to plan their next purchase .
This Public question they asked .Where did they Publish it and what was the Wording .How many replies did they get .Why do the Public have a Say on my Licenced Business but not on Ryanair or aerlingus Planes .or Dublin Bus .Some of the School busses on our roads have numberplates in Latin they are that old .
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Watch now that it is an election year .They will look again at aiding certain industries like restaurants as a lot of them are closing due to higher vAT and Minimum Wage .If we dont ask we wont be noticed .
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We could do with losing a few taxis in all fairness...... it's shite at the moment.Would ya not just bow out gracefully Erm...When I get to the rank in me newish jammer all yous lads in the bangers should have to let me up to the top.I've got bleeding loans to pay off...
I also think we could lose a few restaurants and coffee shops.Money is tightening up.If your business isn't recession proof the government shouldn't be giving you handouts.All those expensive coffee shops are selling shit people don't actually need.
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..me an johnny have bean warmin yuos a recession was comin for bout 15 years ......did yis not prepare ?
Move back to yer ma,s gaff like everyone else an rent out yur gaff to Google.....wen Google lays off yur tenant ...rent it out to a ukraimiams.....buy a load of bitcoin ....it'll go paraplegic during the great depression..
An most importantly....try not to give a bollix anymore ....yous are all old an will be dead soon
::sleep
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OCCI I had sort of a retirement planned .Whoever roosted longest me or me Hen got the Gaff sold it lived off the proceeds .Kids got what was left when we roosted no more .But that has changed .I see people who had jobs Mortgages careers .Made homeless because of Ill health .Jobloss or greedy banks .I wont sell the family home it will be left to the kids but they wont be able to sell it either it will give my family a secure roof over their heads if anything ever goes wrong .
I will now have to work till I die or am to sick to spend .My house was to be my pension in my retirement .Life has a huge arsehole and believe me when it shits on you it really shits on you .I have not had one good day since the day I turned 62 .And add in an appointment at the Beacon on Thursday .You can see why I dont want to put big coin into any business just now .
Donny T going to lead the World but in what direction .No work tomorrow China Man in Town so roads blocked .If you were HG Wells and had a time Machine and went back to talk tp George Orwell about 2024 .He would say you had a greater imagination than he did and he would probably call you Big Brother with all the Data we now have .
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OCCI I had sort of a retirement planned .Whoever roosted longest me or me Hen got the Gaff sold it lived off the proceeds .Kids got what was left when we roosted no more .But that has changed .I see people who had jobs Mortgages careers .Made homeless because of Ill health .Jobloss or greedy banks .I wont sell the family home it will be left to the kids but they wont be able to sell it either it will give my family a secure roof over their heads if anything ever goes wrong .
I will now have to work till I die or am to sick to spend .My house was to be my pension in my retirement .Life has a huge arsehole and believe me when it shits on you it really shits on you .I have not had one good day since the day I turned 62 .And add in an appointment at the Beacon on Thursday .You can see why I dont want to put big coin into any business just now .
Donny T going to lead the World but in what direction .No work tomorrow China Man in Town so roads blocked .If you were HG Wells and had a time Machine and went back to talk tp George Orwell about 2024 .He would say you had a greater imagination than he did and he would probably call you Big Brother with all the Data we now have .
I started back to work yesterday johnny ....I did 2 hours ....I
Also hav to work the rest of me life.....but I've decided this mornin I've a pain in me bollix workin....yur always tinkin bout tomorrow an next yer you'll be able to take the foot off the accelerator ......but its all a con or a personality disorder....January always does this to me ....despite the fact I'm a celt I do get a pain in me bollix in the winter ....an in January wen the work dries up I get a big pain in me bollix ....but the spring is only round the corner....
I've decided this yer to take it easy .....I broke me bollix last yer an trew all me money in to crypto ....an now I'm goin relax a bit .....
I think keeping the Gaff for the kids is a Fantastic decision... as long as yur wishes are written in stone ....goin be alot people homeless in this country in the comin yers ...its goin get worser an worser an crime is goin be a national pastime ....
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OCCI I had sort of a retirement planned .Whoever roosted longest me or me Hen got the Gaff sold it lived off the proceeds .Kids got what was left when we roosted no more .But that has changed .I see people who had jobs Mortgages careers .Made homeless because of Ill health .Jobloss or greedy banks .I wont sell the family home it will be left to the kids but they wont be able to sell it either it will give my family a secure roof over their heads if anything ever goes wrong .
I will now have to work till I die or am to sick to spend .My house was to be my pension in my retirement .Life has a huge arsehole and believe me when it shits on you it really shits on you .I have not had one good day since the day I turned 62 .And add in an appointment at the Beacon on Thursday .You can see why I dont want to put big coin into any business just now .
Donny T going to lead the World but in what direction .No work tomorrow China Man in Town so roads blocked .If you were HG Wells and had a time Machine and went back to talk tp George Orwell about 2024 .He would say you had a greater imagination than he did and he would probably call you Big Brother with all the Data we now have .
I started back to work yesterday johnny ....I did 2 hours ....I
Also hav to work the rest of me life.....but I've decided this mornin I've a pain in me bollix workin....yur always tinkin bout tomorrow an next yer you'll be able to take the foot off the accelerator ......but its all a con or a personality disorder....January always does this to me ....despite the fact I'm a celt I do get a pain in me bollix in the winter ....an in January wen the work dries up I get a big pain in me bollix ....but the spring is only round the corner....
I've decided this yer to take it easy .....I broke me bollix last yer an trew all me money in to crypto ....an now I'm goin relax a bit .....
I think keeping the Gaff for the kids is a Fantastic decision... as long as yur wishes are written in stone ....goin be alot people homeless in this country in the comin yers ...its goin get worser an worser an crime is goin be a national pastime ....
Aww, ya missed Xmas, it was a whopper! 8)
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OCCI I had sort of a retirement planned .Whoever roosted longest me or me Hen got the Gaff sold it lived off the proceeds .Kids got what was left when we roosted no more .But that has changed .I see people who had jobs Mortgages careers .Made homeless because of Ill health .Jobloss or greedy banks .I wont sell the family home it will be left to the kids but they wont be able to sell it either it will give my family a secure roof over their heads if anything ever goes wrong .
I will now have to work till I die or am to sick to spend .My house was to be my pension in my retirement .Life has a huge arsehole and believe me when it shits on you it really shits on you .I have not had one good day since the day I turned 62 .And add in an appointment at the Beacon on Thursday .You can see why I dont want to put big coin into any business just now .
Donny T going to lead the World but in what direction .No work tomorrow China Man in Town so roads blocked .If you were HG Wells and had a time Machine and went back to talk tp George Orwell about 2024 .He would say you had a greater imagination than he did and he would probably call you Big Brother with all the Data we now have .
I started back to work yesterday johnny ....I did 2 hours ....I
Also hav to work the rest of me life.....but I've decided this mornin I've a pain in me bollix workin....yur always tinkin bout tomorrow an next yer you'll be able to take the foot off the accelerator ......but its all a con or a personality disorder....January always does this to me ....despite the fact I'm a celt I do get a pain in me bollix in the winter ....an in January wen the work dries up I get a big pain in me bollix ....but the spring is only round the corner....
I've decided this yer to take it easy .....I broke me bollix last yer an trew all me money in to crypto ....an now I'm goin relax a bit .....
I think keeping the Gaff for the kids is a Fantastic decision... as long as yur wishes are written in stone ....goin be alot people homeless in this country in the comin yers ...its goin get worser an worser an crime is goin be a national pastime ....
Aww, ya missed Xmas, it was a whopper! 8)
I worked up to new yers day bullits ....includin Christmas day .....last yer Christmas day ( 2022) I got 200 in 4 hours ....this yer ( 20 23) it took me all day ......definitely december was worst December in yers for me anyway ......
I went out today few hours got 25 quid then fell asleep in me car
::sleep
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OCCI I had sort of a retirement planned .Whoever roosted longest me or me Hen got the Gaff sold it lived off the proceeds .Kids got what was left when we roosted no more .But that has changed .I see people who had jobs Mortgages careers .Made homeless because of Ill health .Jobloss or greedy banks .I wont sell the family home it will be left to the kids but they wont be able to sell it either it will give my family a secure roof over their heads if anything ever goes wrong .
I will now have to work till I die or am to sick to spend .My house was to be my pension in my retirement .Life has a huge arsehole and believe me when it shits on you it really shits on you .I have not had one good day since the day I turned 62 .And add in an appointment at the Beacon on Thursday .You can see why I dont want to put big coin into any business just now .
Donny T going to lead the World but in what direction .No work tomorrow China Man in Town so roads blocked .If you were HG Wells and had a time Machine and went back to talk tp George Orwell about 2024 .He would say you had a greater imagination than he did and he would probably call you Big Brother with all the Data we now have .
I started back to work yesterday johnny ....I did 2 hours ....I
Also hav to work the rest of me life.....but I've decided this mornin I've a pain in me bollix workin....yur always tinkin bout tomorrow an next yer you'll be able to take the foot off the accelerator ......but its all a con or a personality disorder....January always does this to me ....despite the fact I'm a celt I do get a pain in me bollix in the winter ....an in January wen the work dries up I get a big pain in me bollix ....but the spring is only round the corner....
I've decided this yer to take it easy .....I broke me bollix last yer an trew all me money in to crypto ....an now I'm goin relax a bit .....
I think keeping the Gaff for the kids is a Fantastic decision... as long as yur wishes are written in stone ....goin be alot people homeless in this country in the comin yers ...its goin get worser an worser an crime is goin be a national pastime ....
Aww, ya missed Xmas, it was a whopper! 8)
I worked up to new yers day bullits ....includin Christmas day .....last yer Christmas day ( 2022) I got 200 in 4 hours ....this yer ( 20 23) it took me all day ......definitely december was worst December in yers for me anyway ......
I went out today few hours got 25 quid then fell asleep in me car
::sleep
Were you in traffic? 8)
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It seems there is no appeals procedure other than contacting the ombudsman Commission .I have opened an appeal based on discrimination and unfair trade practices favouring some participant's over others .While we all hold similar licences .
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Not very helpful for you John but if you kept the Octavia that would have qualified for the current extensions that your newer 2015 doesn't.Bit mad really.
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It is about fairness .Why some got an extension and others did not .We all supply the same service ?It is an unfair trading advantage bestowed on some but not all .That is an Unfair barrier to trade and is possibly Illegal as it is discretionary based on the whim of the Minister .
If some Pubs were to get a big tax break to redecorate and others did not would the Vintners accept that ?
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You should be asking for a 15 year rule for saloons John.There's no reason now for a WAT licence to be allowed extra years either.I suspect your banger got no extensions as they knew the vehicle shortage wouldn't last too long and it's still good up until 2025.Nothing is fair in this job.I go out and compete against pensioners with no mortgages every day.Double jobbers ,crypto millionaires etc etc..the NTA don't care until there's a danger of them looking bad.
The ten year rule didn't improve the fleet.All we got were expensive LED lights that look cool.The vehicles haven't really changed a whole lot.
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When they changed their minds in 2008 they gave lads who changed an extra few years .All I am looking for is equality .If I had a perpensity to a portion of anal I would be granted equal rights .If I wanted to graft a pair of titon I would be granted Equality but I want to go to work and I need to Fight for it .
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Even if you got more time they're unlikely to tell ya until the last few months of 2024.Start saving just in case...
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Even if you got more time they're unlikely to tell ya until the last few months of 2024.Start saving just in case...
Now you raise a different point .If they introduce a new EV grant do I go for it only to find if I waited i got an extension and if I wait I may lose the possibility of a Grant .
This government seems to love equality when it suits them I hold the same Licence as others who got extensions .Where is the Equality in that ?
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If you get a grant and a cheapish EV and run it for at least 5 years you could save 2/3k per year compared to running a diesel which might pay for most of the outlay.A bit more clarity from the NTA on EV grants would be helpful too.If there's any hint that this year is the last year it will be jumped on by loads of lads.
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According to the database there are 1603 2015 saloon plates still active so you're not alone.The NTA might be forced to grant extensions if loads of lads decide not to stay in the game.
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It is about fairness .Why some got an extension and others did not .We all supply the same service ?It is an unfair trading advantage bestowed on some but not all .That is an Unfair barrier to trade and is possibly Illegal as it is discretionary based on the whim of the Minister .
If some Pubs were to get a big tax break to redecorate and others did not would the Vintners accept that ?
I feel for you on the extension issue. By the same token, I, and thousands of others who funded their entry in to our trade weren't allowed to access the BTWEA in whatever guise the government dished out the free money, which was anti-competitive.
The free market is a moveable feast, as are government concessions.
I think they'll point you in the direction of the MFI.
https://microfinanceireland.ie/
Best of luck.
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MFI will only support the purchase of EV low emissions .But another point .Onion Head has not introduced any ban or future ban on Diesel Vehicles joining the Fleet but Hybrid vehicles of 10 years old can be excluded to be replaced by higher emitting Diesels ..
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New security update for 2015 vehicles !
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MFI will only support the purchase of EV low emissions .But another point .Onion Head has not introduced any ban or future ban on Diesel Vehicles joining the Fleet but Hybrid vehicles of 10 years old can be excluded to be replaced by higher emitting Diesels ..
I'd give them a call before discounting them. A loan is a loan. They badgered me when I made a cursory enquiry for a loan of €25,000.
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Dear Mr Mc
Thank you for bringing your complaint to the Office of the Ombudsman.
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On behalf of the Minister of State for Transport, Mr. Jack Chambers T.D., I refer further to your recent correspondence.
The regulation of the small public service vehicle (SPSV) industry, including vehicle age limits for SPSVs, is a matter for the independent transport regulator, the National Transport Authority (NTA), under the provisions of the Taxi Regulation Acts 2013 and 2016. The Minister of State has no role in the day-to-day operations of the SPSV industry.
Regulations made by the NTA in 2010 first established a maximum permissible age of 10 years for new standard taxis and hackneys. The ten-year rule was adopted in recognition of the need to strike a balance between achieving standards that offer the customer confidence, comfort, and safety, and allowing industry members to operate successfully.
The NTA's extension of age limits during Covid-19 was an emergency measure of a temporary nature, taken in recognition of the particular challenges posed by the pandemic and was specifically aimed at ensuring that no operator would be required to change their vehicle while passenger demand remained low due to the pandemic.
A series of global circumstances during 2022 had, in the NTA’s view, considerably worsened the capability of taxi and hackney licence holders to secure new vehicles. Therefore, the NTA further temporarily extended the maximum permissible age for taxis and hackneys so that no current vehicle licence holder would be forced out of the industry because a replacement vehicle could not be purchased. They did this by introducing Regulations on 18 November 2022, the purpose of which is to amend Regulation 31 (Maximum Permissible Age Requirements) of the Taxi Regulation (Small Public Service Vehicle) Regulations 2015.
The 2022 Regulations provide for a graduated return to the ten-year age limit, with vehicles whose 10-year limit was originally in 2020 or 2021 now extended to 2025, those whose original limit is in 2022 or 2023 now extended to 2026 and those whose original limit will be reached in 2024 extended to 2027.
The NTA has contacted SPSV licence holders to confirm the new final operation date of their current licensed vehicle. This amendment was made as an exceptional provision and contingency measure, as a result of vehicle supply issues. The NTA does not anticipate introducing any further maximum permissible age extensions.
Yours sincerely,
Patrick Leonard
Private Secretary to Minister of State Jack Chambers TD
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That's a fair reply from the ministers secretary. Most unfortunately John m you just missed out by a single year, but there had to be a cut off point some where, and you drew the short straw. At least now you have a year to make plans fer your next motor. You would prob pick up a 5 year old Corrola fer 25k next year and get about 8k fer your 151 so not the end of the world at 17k, and you can claim a share of it back in tax.
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No Ken .The MINISTER as in the MINISTER said in the Dail no driver would be off the Road .What the NCT has done is possibly Illegal .They have favoured certain drivers over others who hold identical licences .This is not over I still have the Ombudsman and I might tahe a day in court meself to challenge the legality of the NTA actions.
I was given succour by the Minister for Transports reply to a Dail Question on this issue which was NOT Time dependent but the NTA have imposed a time limit that was not implied by the Relevant Minister .
This raises the question .Who is in charge the minister or some fat ankled youngone in an office off of Stephens Green ?Would we accept if the Minister for health said all women were entitled to breast scanning and then some Doctor said as long as they are good looking ?
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Start saving John.I got a similar reply but then they changed their minds.They won't hint that anything is going to change until the very last minute.
From their position they probably know the Ev grant is going to be renewed and are wondering why you're unable to change to a shiny new EV.
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There is precedent for equality .Remember when we bought new cars in 2008 and they then changed their minds and extended the age limit for those who bought replacement vehicles .I am considering taking the Minister /NTA and Taxithingey to court seeking financial redress .The EV grant was also unfair as there were restrictions of what vehicles could be scrapped .Based on age or Milage .The stupidity of scrapping 2015 Hybrids low milage cars and replacing them with a cheap 5 year old diesel car boggles the Mind ..
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They want the fleet updated whether we like it or not.None of these ministers or NTA staff would be seen dead in a 2015 car.... nevermind a bleeding Renault....the shame of it.
Now that they're closing off large sections of the city to regular traffic they're going to want to push the EV bollox even harder.
Best you can do is go into a few of the Facebook taxi groups and see if you can get some lads together in a similar situation.They'll be able to see who is and isn't changing vehicles early from their own databases.The more lads that jump early the less likely you'll get an extension.Start saving anyways.
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There is precedent for equality .Remember when we bought new cars in 2008 and they then changed their minds and extended the age limit for those who bought replacement vehicles .I am considering taking the Minister /NTA and Taxithingey to court seeking financial redress .The EV grant was also unfair as there were restrictions of what vehicles could be scrapped .Based on age or Milage .The stupidity of scrapping 2015 Hybrids low milage cars and replacing them with a cheap 5 year old diesel car boggles the Mind ..
Is yur new car due next yer johnny ?
Yu dont need the stress of court or fighting the system.....fuk them .....keep away from the cunts an civil serpants ....ther salaries come from your misery
Do yu need that shit?
Yuv a grand in kaspa alone ...that will be worth 40-50 grand next April.....ya can call me a mad cnut but I'm absolutely certain
It's going to shock the world ...
For anyone else on here the window of opportunity is closing ....this march -April will see bitcoin crash by 30- 40% briefly ....
Kaspa will also crash could even go 50% down ....in May it'll all start going up again wit the peak in a yers time ....
I'm seeing jasmy going 10x-15 × so yull make few Bob on that too ...
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Re Eamonn Ryan and his Dail statement: Was he the line minister for taxis at the time? And, even if he was, there's the old cliche that a verbal contract isn't worth the paper it's written on...
I think your best approach is that the NTA are not taking into account your individual circumstances and that there is no appeal mechanism. If you got a tax bill from Revenue, you can appeal it. If you got refused the Dole, you can appeal it. If you're refused planning permission for a house, you can appeal and so on. The NTA don't let you appeal. And the NTA have said 3 or 4 times, "this is the new age limit." If they can change their minds once, they can change it a second time, esp if your individual circumstances warrant it?
Good luck with it anyways ::clap
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Re Eamonn Ryan and his Dail statement: Was he the line minister for taxis at the time? And, even if he was, there's the old cliche that a verbal contract isn't worth the paper it's written on...
I think your best approach is that the NTA are not taking into account your individual circumstances and that there is no appeal mechanism. If you got a tax bill from Revenue, you can appeal it. If you got refused the Dole, you can appeal it. If you're refused planning permission for a house, you can appeal and so on. The NTA don't let you appeal. And the NTA have said 3 or 4 times, "this is the new age limit." If they can change their minds once, they can change it a second time, esp if your individual circumstances warrant it?
Good luck with it anyways ::clap
Watty Minister For Transport Line minister made the Statement in the Dail not in the local Mungbean Cafe .If you cannot rely on a Ministers Statement to the Dail then Democracy aint worth a fuck .As I asked If the minister for Health says ALL women are entitled to a Breast Scan .Could the Director of medicine in a hospital add a caviat .As long as they are good looking .Remember all it takes to disqualify a car is a number plate .If I was driving a Hybrid with 100 yes 100 KM on the Clock it would be off the road and I could replace it with a 2016 Diesel with 6000000000000 Killometers on the clock .It is little more than a vanity exercise .
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Are any of ye effected by the NCT not updating a pass to the nta for relicensing?, I am, did the NCT last Wednesday and it hasn't updated yet, I rang the nta they know about the problem and asked me to email proof of the nct pass, i did that but it turns out that now won't do. It's spreading to other drivers now that have done an nct, my license expires Thursday night. They said no late fee . I asked them could you send me an email so I can show the enforcement fellas they said you cannot work after Thursday , then I said I'll want compensation if this goes on , so we'll see. They fuck up I suffer.
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Are any of ye effected by the NCT not updating a pass to the nta for relicensing?, I am, did the NCT last Wednesday and it hasn't updated yet, I rang the nta they know about the problem and asked me to email proof of the nct pass, i did that but it turns out that now won't do. It's spreading to other drivers now that have done an nct, my license expires Thursday night. They said no late fee . I asked them could you send me an email so I can show the enforcement fellas they said you cannot work after Thursday , then I said I'll want compensation if this goes on , so we'll see. They fuck up I suffer.
Did me nct yesterday....I'll ring the licence crowd now an see how it goes
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Are any of ye effected by the NCT not updating a pass to the nta for relicensing?, I am, did the NCT last Wednesday and it hasn't updated yet, I rang the nta they know about the problem and asked me to email proof of the nct pass, i did that but it turns out that now won't do. It's spreading to other drivers now that have done an nct, my license expires Thursday night. They said no late fee . I asked them could you send me an email so I can show the enforcement fellas they said you cannot work after Thursday , then I said I'll want compensation if this goes on , so we'll see. They fuck up I suffer.
Just phoned the nta licence renewal...booked licence renewal for next week nct done yesterday was updated on ther system
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No Ken .The MINISTER as in the MINISTER said in the Dail no driver would be off the Road .What the NCT has done is possibly Illegal .They have favoured certain drivers over others who hold identical licences .This is not over I still have the Ombudsman and I might tahe a day in court meself to challenge the legality of the NTA actions.
I was given succour by the Minister for Transports reply to a Dail Question on this issue which was NOT Time dependent but the NTA have imposed a time limit that was not implied by the Relevant Minister .
This raises the question .Who is in charge the minister or some fat ankled youngone in an office off of Stephens Green ?Would we accept if the Minister for health said all women were entitled to breast scanning and then some Doctor said as long as they are good looking ?
I really don't fancy your chances of winning this one John m, but best of luck with it.
Give the link below a read;
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2022-09-22/1/ (https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2022-09-22/1/)
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On behalf of the Minister of State for Transport, Mr. Jack Chambers T.D., I refer further to your recent correspondence.
The regulation of the small public service vehicle (SPSV) industry, including vehicle age limits for SPSVs, is a matter for the independent transport regulator, the National Transport Authority (NTA), under the provisions of the Taxi Regulation Acts 2013 and 2016. The Minister of State has no role in the day-to-day operations of the SPSV industry.
Regulations made by the NTA in 2010 first established a maximum permissible age of 10 years for new standard taxis and hackneys. The ten-year rule was adopted in recognition of the need to strike a balance between achieving standards that offer the customer confidence, comfort, and safety, and allowing industry members to operate successfully.
The NTA's extension of age limits during Covid-19 was an emergency measure of a temporary nature, taken in recognition of the particular challenges posed by the pandemic and was specifically aimed at ensuring that no operator would be required to change their vehicle while passenger demand remained low due to the pandemic.
A series of global circumstances during 2022 had, in the NTA’s view, considerably worsened the capability of taxi and hackney licence holders to secure new vehicles. Therefore, the NTA further temporarily extended the maximum permissible age for taxis and hackneys so that no current vehicle licence holder would be forced out of the industry because a replacement vehicle could not be purchased. They did this by introducing Regulations on 18 November 2022, the purpose of which is to amend Regulation 31 (Maximum Permissible Age Requirements) of the Taxi Regulation (Small Public Service Vehicle) Regulations 2015.
The 2022 Regulations provide for a graduated return to the ten-year age limit, with vehicles whose 10-year limit was originally in 2020 or 2021 now extended to 2025, those whose original limit is in 2022 or 2023 now extended to 2026 and those whose original limit will be reached in 2024 extended to 2027.
The NTA has contacted SPSV licence holders to confirm the new final operation date of their current licensed vehicle. This amendment was made as an exceptional provision and contingency measure, as a result of vehicle supply issues. The NTA does not anticipate introducing any further maximum permissible age extensions.
Yours sincerely,
Patrick Leonard
Private Secretary to Minister of State Jack Chambers TD
Again used way more words than I suggested... but told you the same thing!
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My Question is nothing to do with the taxithingey stupidity but Is it Legal to offer one licence holder an advantage over a similar licence holder .Just because they did it does not mean it is legal .There could be an issue for compensation for some drivers who saw their competition unfairly subsidised .
I might take a trip into the courts but it could be down to timing .The longer I wait the issue could be sub judice and the Taxithingies hands could be tied on the issue if it is before a Court for adjudication .
I will have to look up or get some assistance with Commercial Law and State Subsidies .
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Could not allowing WAT licences migrate to EV Saloon licences be considered racist given that the vast majority of WAT owners are immigrants with brown skin?
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Could not allowing WAT licences migrate to EV Saloon licences be considered racist given that the vast majority of WAT owners are immigrants with brown skin?
Are you saying they work and live in Tepees?
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I am writing to you about the complaint you submitted to the Ombudsman concerning the National Transport Authority (the NTA).
I understand from the details of your complaint that you are unhappy with the current rules and regulations around the end of life for vehicles such as yours. You have highlighted the concerns you have in regards to the impact these rules have on you and others and believe an end of life extension should be applied like that provided to other vehicle owners during Covid lockdown.
The role of the Ombudsman in examining a complaint is to consider whether or not a person has been adversely affected by maladministration on the part of a public body. Maladministration is principally defined as improper, unfair or unreasonable actions or inaction on the part of a public body and, if it is found to have occurred, the Ombudsman will examine whether or not the public body has taken steps to remedy the adverse effect.
The NTA is the Body charged by the Minister with responsibility for making the relevant regulations, and the content of those regulations are operational/policy decisions for which the Ombudsman cannot interfere with. As the action complained of is an operational/policy decision and not a complaint about an administrative action of the Authority, it is therefore not something the Ombudsman can investigate and outside remit.
I appreciate you may be disappointed with my decision and I am sorry the Ombudsman could not assist you on this occasion.
Yours sincerely,
Gillian Russell
Caseworker
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The role of the Ombudsman in examining a complaint is to consider whether or not a person has been adversely affected by maladministration on the part of a public body. Maladministration is principally defined as improper, unfair or unreasonable actions or inaction on the part of a public body and, if it is found to have occurred, the Ombudsman will examine whether or not the public body has taken steps to remedy the adverse effect.
Ah, bad luck. I thought you might get some traction on the 'no right to appeal' aspect of the rule.
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Knew you'd get your own Caseworker some day, erm....
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I think they'll bite the bullet and extend it two more years--Im due to change July 25 as my yoke is 2015 but won't be rushing !
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I am writing to you about the complaint you submitted to the Ombudsman concerning the National Transport Authority (the NTA).
I understand from the details of your complaint that you are unhappy with the current rules and regulations around the end of life for vehicles such as yours. You have highlighted the concerns you have in regards to the impact these rules have on you and others and believe an end of life extension should be applied like that provided to other vehicle owners during Covid lockdown.
The role of the Ombudsman in examining a complaint is to consider whether or not a person has been adversely affected by maladministration on the part of a public body. Maladministration is principally defined as improper, unfair or unreasonable actions or inaction on the part of a public body and, if it is found to have occurred, the Ombudsman will examine whether or not the public body has taken steps to remedy the adverse effect.
The NTA is the Body charged by the Minister with responsibility for making the relevant regulations, and the content of those regulations are operational/policy decisions for which the Ombudsman cannot interfere with. As the action complained of is an operational/policy decision and not a complaint about an administrative action of the Authority, it is therefore not something the Ombudsman can investigate and outside remit.
I appreciate you may be disappointed with my decision and I am sorry the Ombudsman could not assist you on this occasion.
Yours sincerely,
Gillian Russell
Caseworker
Try the competition authority.
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Mine expires Jan 2026... EV grant doesn't get offered 'till mid Feb which is a bit of a cunt.
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I think they'll bite the bullet and extend it two more years--Im due to change July 25 as my yoke is 2015 but won't be rushing !
I doubt it Punter, the NTA have had a hard-on fer the 10 year saloon rule fer a long time now.
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......The role of the Ombudsman in examining a complaint is to consider whether or not a person has been adversely affected by maladministration on the part of a public body. Maladministration is principally defined as improper, unfair or unreasonable actions or inaction on the part of a public body and, if it is found to have occurred, the Ombudsman will examine whether or not the public body has taken steps to remedy the adverse effect.
The NTA is the Body charged by the Minister with responsibility for making the relevant regulations, and the content of those regulations are operational/policy decisions for which the Ombudsman cannot interfere with. As the action complained of is an operational/policy decision and not a complaint about an administrative action of the Authority, it is therefore not something the Ombudsman can investigate and outside remit. .......
Do the above 2 highlighted statements contradict each other ?
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No. The NTA can make a rule that all taxis should be yellow and the Ombudsman can't interfere with that. But if they allowed a few taxis to be blue without explanation, that would be maladministration & the ombudsman can get involved.
My 2c
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No. The NTA can make a rule that all taxis should be yellow and the Ombudsman can't interfere with that. But if they allowed a few taxis to be blue without explanation, that would be maladministration & the ombudsman can get involved.
My 2c
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If i was to pick up 2014 car can i get a suitability test and get the extension till 2026
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If i was to pick up 2014 car can i get a suitability test and get the extension till 2026
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No.