Irish Taxi Forum
Public Area => Taxi Talk => Topic started by: Taxi driver42 on January 10, 2024, 02:37:19 pm
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Saw a bike copper stopping a taxi there earlier
We can use it right?
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You can't go North --> South during rush hour in the morning.
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I thought that restriction is gone.I'll check later.
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It's 24/7 for public transport including us.
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I drove from D'Olier St though to Dame St this afternoon. It is 24hrs but the sign said 'Buses, trams and bicycles'. No mention of taxis so now I'm wondering if, technically, we're banned from there as well?
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I drove from D'Olier St though to Dame St this afternoon. It is 24hrs but the sign said 'Buses, trams and bicycles'. No mention of taxis so now I'm wondering if, technically, we're banned from there as well?
College Green – Southbound Taxi Movements Prohibited
College Green – 7am to 10am Southbound Taxi Movements Prohibited
On Monday 12 March, new restrictions were introduced for taxis driving in the area around College Green in Dublin’s City Centre.
The arrangements related to College Green which came into operation on Monday, are as follows:
During the hours 7am to 10am, Monday to Friday, taxis will not be permitted to travel southbound through College Green. The measure will affect vehicles moving in front of Trinity College, either towards Grafton Street, or towards Dame Street.
Approximately 150 taxis per hour move southbound through College Green during this peak.
Outside of these peak morning hours, taxis can continue to use this southbound route through College Green towards Dame Street or Grafton Street.
Between the hours of 12.00am (midnight) and 6am taxis will be permitted to travel northbound through College Green from Grafton Street Lower – i.e. using Dawson Street, Nassau Street and Grafton Street Lower. This will facilitate taxis to operate in this part of the city centre which caters for high volumes of night time social activity.
Taxis travelling through College Street towards Westmoreland Street are unaffected.
Northbound movements by taxis from Dame Street towards Westmoreland Street are unaffected.
A right turn will be provided at the south end of Fishamble Street to facilitate taxis using this alternative route.
27 bus routes (30%) have already been removed from College Green.
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I thought that was recently changed to 24 Hour Public service vehicles only?
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During the hours 7am to 10am, Monday to Friday, taxis will not be permitted to travel southbound through College Green. The measure will affect vehicles moving in front of Trinity College, either towards Grafton Street, or towards Dame Street.
That one is gone as far as I could see. Like I said, it was 'Bus, trams & bicycles' x 24 hrs. No signs mentioning taxis that I could see going D'Olier St to Dame St...
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If anybody is in town tonight or tomorrow, read the signs for yerselves and report back!
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During the hours 7am to 10am, Monday to Friday, taxis will not be permitted to travel southbound through College Green. The measure will affect vehicles moving in front of Trinity College, either towards Grafton Street, or towards Dame Street.
That one is gone as far as I could see. Like I said, it was 'Bus, trams & bicycles' x 24 hrs. No signs mentioning taxis that I could see going D'Olier St to Dame St...
The arrangements related to College Green which came into operation on Monday, are as follows:
During the hours 7am to 10am, Monday to Friday, taxis will not be permitted to travel southbound through College Green. The measure will affect vehicles moving in front of Trinity College, either towards Grafton Street, or towards Dame Street.
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During the hours 7am to 10am, Monday to Friday, taxis will not be permitted to travel southbound through College Green. The measure will affect vehicles moving in front of Trinity College, either towards Grafton Street, or towards Dame Street.
That one is gone as far as I could see. Like I said, it was 'Bus, trams & bicycles' x 24 hrs. No signs mentioning taxis that I could see going D'Olier St to Dame St...
The arrangements related to College Green which came into operation on Monday, are as follows:
During the hours 7am to 10am, Monday to Friday, taxis will not be permitted to travel southbound through College Green. The measure will affect vehicles moving in front of Trinity College, either towards Grafton Street, or towards Dame Street.
https://www.dublincity.ie/residential/transportation/roads-and-traffic-projects/traffic-management-measures-and-street-enhancements-college-green-and-foster-place (https://www.dublincity.ie/residential/transportation/roads-and-traffic-projects/traffic-management-measures-and-street-enhancements-college-green-and-foster-place)
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During the hours 7am to 10am, Monday to Friday, taxis will not be permitted to travel southbound through College Green. The measure will affect vehicles moving in front of Trinity College, either towards Grafton Street, or towards Dame Street.
That one is gone as far as I could see. Like I said, it was 'Bus, trams & bicycles' x 24 hrs. No signs mentioning taxis that I could see going D'Olier St to Dame St...
The arrangements related to College Green which came into operation on Monday, are as follows:
During the hours 7am to 10am, Monday to Friday, taxis will not be permitted to travel southbound through College Green. The measure will affect vehicles moving in front of Trinity College, either towards Grafton Street, or towards Dame Street.
https://www.dublincity.ie/residential/transportation/roads-and-traffic-projects/traffic-management-measures-and-street-enhancements-college-green-and-foster-place (https://www.dublincity.ie/residential/transportation/roads-and-traffic-projects/traffic-management-measures-and-street-enhancements-college-green-and-foster-place)
https://earth.google.com/web/search/College+Street,+Dublin/@53.34547098,-6.25816484,6.05032854a,0d,15y,236.76463361h,91.13393953t,0r/data=CoEBGlcSUQolMHg0ODY3MGU5YjJjNmZhNzZkOjB4YTI2NmViYTRjYTE1ZWZmORkITPECNqxKQCENbJVgcQgZwCoWQ29sbGVnZSBTdHJlZXQsIER1YmxpbhgBIAEiJgokCXPyJCFQkzZAERtD79UkkjZAGS5ZHLuOF1ZAIYC3StTSFlZAIhoKFnBtS0ZSWThPZWpCai1BSmxUYWhhaEEQAjoDCgEw (https://earth.google.com/web/search/College+Street,+Dublin/@53.34547098,-6.25816484,6.05032854a,0d,15y,236.76463361h,91.13393953t,0r/data=CoEBGlcSUQolMHg0ODY3MGU5YjJjNmZhNzZkOjB4YTI2NmViYTRjYTE1ZWZmORkITPECNqxKQCENbJVgcQgZwCoWQ29sbGVnZSBTdHJlZXQsIER1YmxpbhgBIAEiJgokCXPyJCFQkzZAERtD79UkkjZAGS5ZHLuOF1ZAIYC3StTSFlZAIhoKFnBtS0ZSWThPZWpCai1BSmxUYWhhaEEQAjoDCgEw)
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That Google Earth photo is out of date. The 7-10am times have been replaced with a 24hr sticker. Today, it still said 'Bus, trams & bicycles' and again no mention of taxis. That's why I'm wondering if taxis are now technically banned from driving D'Olier St to Dame St?
All I can say is drive by and have a look for yourself...
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That Google Earth photo is out of date. The 7-10am times have been replaced with a 24hr sticker. Today, it still said 'Bus, trams & bicycles' and again no mention of taxis. That's why I'm wondering if taxis are now technically banned from driving D'Olier St to Dame St?
All I can say is drive by and have a look for yourself...
The street view is blocked by a bus and tram. I'm going with the DCC information above. OOB for taxis southbound in the mornings. OK in the evenings.
I use College Street whenever I have to, but then again I only work nights.
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We're agreeing 99% with other. I'm just saying the word taxi does not seem to appear on the southbound traffic sign.
The old sign (from Google Earth) was:
(https://i.ibb.co/mDnXS9j/college002.jpg)
and the new sign I saw today looked something like this :P
(https://i.ibb.co/1GrkJC3/college003.jpg)
No mention of taxis in either one!
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To muddy things up more taxi does not appear on the new "bus" green lights but we are expected to go on the bus green.
I rang up someone in the corpo office who told me this but it wouldn't surprise me if some insurance company decides to contest it in the event of an accident.
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To muddy things up more taxi does not appear on the new "bus" green lights but we are expected to go on the bus green.
I rang up someone in the corpo office who told me this but it wouldn't surprise me if some insurance company decides to contest it in the event of an accident.
I'm often beeped on the quays by FNs who insist I should go on the bicycle green signal.
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From Monday the 29th May 2023 the current College Green bus gate will be expanded to 24 hours 7days per week, prohibiting private vehicles from travelling through in all directions.
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That's good enough for me,private vehicles are excluded.
Most day lads use it every day at all hours.
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From Monday the 29th May 2023 the current College Green bus gate will be expanded to 24 hours 7days per week, prohibiting private vehicles from travelling through in all directions.
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That's good enough for me,private vehicles are excluded.
Most day lads use it every day at all hours.
Agreed. But they can get specific when they want to... E.g., Top of North Frederick Street - "PSV" and not just "Buses" unlike College Green busgate. BTW, I'm not trying to be argumentative, just curious/confused.
(https://i.ibb.co/gdKvpZc/Screenshot-2024-01-12-012121.jpg)
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From Monday the 29th May 2023 the current College Green bus gate will be expanded to 24 hours 7days per week, prohibiting private vehicles from travelling through in all directions.
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That's good enough for me,private vehicles are excluded.
Most day lads use it every day at all hours.
Agreed. But they can get specific when they want to... E.g., Top of North Frederick Street - "PSV" and not just "Buses" unlike College Green busgate. BTW, I'm not trying to be argumentative, just curious/confused.
(https://i.ibb.co/gdKvpZc/Screenshot-2024-01-12-012121.jpg)
All you need is a cop in a bad humour, or a zealous chief super.
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We are PSV's though.
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Yeah, I know. That's my point. This implies that North Frederick Street ("PSV") is inclusive for buses and taxis while College Green ("buses") is exclusive so only buses and no taxis?
I know hundreds of taxis use College Green daily but the logic of those signs suggests they shouldn't be?
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The College Green (buses, trams & bicycles) would suggest motorbikes are banned as well?
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We're agreeing 99% with other. I'm just saying the word taxi does not seem to appear on the southbound traffic sign.
The old sign (from Google Earth) was:
(https://i.ibb.co/mDnXS9j/college002.jpg)
and the new sign I saw today looked something like this :P
(https://i.ibb.co/1GrkJC3/college003.jpg)
No mention of taxis in either one!
I drove through last night out of curiosity [behind a stream of other taxis], and the second sign is currently the official one.
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From Monday the 29th May 2023 the current College Green bus gate will be expanded to 24 hours 7days per week, prohibiting private vehicles from travelling through in all directions.
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That's good enough for me,private vehicles are excluded.
Proves you can read so consciously chose to ignore relevant signage, I guess... although ignorance is no defence unless you happen to be a member of An Garda Siochana unfamiliar with the geographically imposed jurisdictional boundaries of the Free State as per Free State -vs- Hutch.
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However, I did see a sign last night that you could use in defence if necessary. As I approached College Green from D'Olier St or Westmoreland St (can never remember which is which buth the one that flows Northside to Southside) there was one of those digital information boards which stated that College Green is closed to all vehicles except "public service vehicles". While I suspect the legal effect of such a sign is either non-existent or negated by the sign at point of entry to the restricted passageway it could certainly be used to construct a valid argument i.e. a certain degree of forward planning is necessary in tackling city traffic e.g. if such an information sign told you there's 2,356 free parking spaces in Fleet Street car park you'd be justified in assuming you can park in one free of charge, right?
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I went out today cause i was bored ...an got 1 job inta town an went by trinity .....
It says buses trams an bikes .....taxis are excluded by ther ommission.....why isn't ther uproar over this from the hotels an cripples ?.....seems the Greens are after pullin a fast one .....nuttin on the telly or nuttin about it
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Can't remember,but whats does the sign say for turning right on to Eden Quay from O Connell Bridge.
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I went out today cause i was bored ...an got 1 job inta town an went by trinity .....
It says buses trams an bikes .....taxis are excluded by ther ommission.....why isn't ther uproar over this from the hotels an cripples ?.....seems the Greens are after pullin a fast one .....nuttin on the telly or nuttin about it
Dont ask dont tell just carry on carrying on .Say nothing .A fish with a closed mouth never got caught !
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I think the council are pulling these signs out of the parts bin!
I went the other way today - from Dame St southbound towards Westmoreland St.
Right turn from Georges St onto Dame St: Public Service Vehicles, Motorbikes, Bicycles
@ Pens Corner where private cars turn right: Buses, Taxis, Bicycles & Access
College Green @ taxi rank: Public Transport only.
And as a reminder:
Southbound from D'Olier St to Dame St, it's: Buses, Trams & Bicycles
And RC spotted a mobile sign: Public Transport Only
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Am I wrong or incorrect but can a taxi use ANY Buslane as long as it is not a contraflow .All the traffic at Education Corner travels in the same direction .Its probably assumed that Professional taxi drivers would at least know their own operational rules .
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That's what we're trying to figure out here. The signs contradict what most of us think is correct and the signs seem to contradict each other as well.
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If DCC don't hear anything during the installation by way of representation they'll assume we agree with the exclusion.
Dublin Chamber of Commerce should be up in arms. Who in their right mind goes to a restaurant, bar, or shopping with a damned bicycle?
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If DCC don't hear anything during the installation by way of representation they'll assume we agree with the exclusion.
Dublin Chamber of Commerce should be up in arms. Who in their right mind goes to a restaurant, bar, or shopping with a damned bicycle?
That's wat I was tinkin ....whatever bout a temporary neon sign .....the big metal one does not include "taxi" ....that means taxis are excluded.....100% ......why not a word from anyone ?
It's bit weird ......its kinda bringing in pedestrianised dame Street by stealth .....start wit the taxis cause everyone hates them cnuts ::fds
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If DCC don't hear anything during the installation by way of representation they'll assume we agree with the exclusion.
Dublin Chamber of Commerce should be up in arms. Who in their right mind goes to a restaurant, bar, or shopping with a damned bicycle?
That's wat I was tinkin ....whatever bout a temporary neon sign .....the big metal one does not include "taxi" ....that means taxis are excluded.....100% ......why not a word from anyone ?
It's bit weird ......its kinda bringing in pedestrianised dame Street by stealth .....start wit the taxis cause everyone hates them cnuts ::fds
Whatever about us f**ks with our roof signs, the Limos/Hackneys will get a hard time trying to drop civil servants off at Nassau Street and Kildare Street.
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I work only nights and I use every road available to me. Never been stopped once and asked where I'm going, and I drive a limo.
D'Olier Street to Dame Street
Dame Street to Westmorland Street
George's Street onto Dame Street(turning right)
Dawson Street to College Green via Nassau Street
Even go down Pearse Street to College Green.
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Taxis may use non contra flow bus lanes,so I'd say we're golden.
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Taxis may use non contra flow bus lanes,so I'd say we're golden.
Goldin ya say?
https://www.independent.ie/regionals/wicklow/bray-news/golden-girls/27635773.html (https://www.independent.ie/regionals/wicklow/bray-news/golden-girls/27635773.html)
(https://i.postimg.cc/fLhZYR8T/Hyp.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/TyQZ6f8Z) 8)
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Am I wrong or incorrect but can a taxi use ANY Buslane as long as it is not a contraflow .All the traffic at Education Corner travels in the same direction .Its probably assumed that Professional taxi drivers would at least know their own operational rules .
This is the actual full law from the NTA website;
Bus lanes
The Road Traffic Regulations 1997 permit taxis in the course of business to use normal (with-flow) bus lanes.
A taxi can use a normal (with-flow) bus lane only while it is operating as an SPSV – carrying a passenger, on the way to pick up a pre-booked customer, or plying for hire. Taxis must not use bus lanes if they are not operating as an SPSV – for example, driving home at the end of a shift, travelling on personal business, or transporting only goods and not passengers.
Taxis are not allowed to use contra-flow bus lanes (in which traffic travels in the opposite direction to the traffic beside it) under any circumstances.
https://www.nationaltransport.ie/taxi/operating-an-spsv/ (https://www.nationaltransport.ie/taxi/operating-an-spsv/)
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Taxi drivers complaining about signs .If the sign is not in the Rules of the road but is some sort of Notice put up by the Council does it have any legal standing ?Is it just a by law not a Road traffic act ?Councils seem to put up signs everywhere for everything .
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I think the council are pulling these signs out of the parts bin!
I went the other way today - from Dame St southbound towards Westmoreland St.
Right turn from Georges St onto Dame St: Public Service Vehicles, Motorbikes, Bicycles
@ Pens Corner where private cars turn right: Buses, Taxis, Bicycles & Access
College Green @ taxi rank: Public Transport only.
And as a reminder:
Southbound from D'Olier St to Dame St, it's: Buses, Trams & Bicycles
And RC spotted a mobile sign: Public Transport Only
I think I said Public Service Vehicle only but I did pass by a couple of times on Saturday evening and I think your interpretation is actually closer to the truth insofar as I'm pretty sure the neon info billboards use the term Public Transport... which - if a legal definition? - doesn't include taxis, hackneys or limousines.
Edit: there's actually two billboards displaying the same message - although both in rotation with other messages/graphics - one on D'Olier/Westmoreland St and the other right at the start of the restricted passageway.... at least there was on Saturday evening.
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Am I wrong or incorrect but can a taxi use ANY Buslane as long as it is not a contraflow .All the traffic at Education Corner travels in the same direction .Its probably assumed that Professional taxi drivers would at least know their own operational rules .
You are wrong... but, however surprisingly, not entirely wrong.
In legal terms Taxis may use with-flow bus lanes i.e bus lanes within which traffic travels in the same direction as the traffic beside it.
NTAs interpretation of the same is as follows ( from https://www.nationaltransport.ie/taxi/operating-an-spsv/ (https://www.nationaltransport.ie/taxi/operating-an-spsv/) ):
Bus lanes
The Road Traffic Regulations 1997 permit taxis in the course of business to use normal (with-flow) bus lanes.
A taxi can use a normal (with-flow) bus lane only while it is operating as an SPSV – carrying a passenger, on the way to pick up a pre-booked customer, or plying for hire. Taxis must not use bus lanes if they are not operating as an SPSV – for example, driving home at the end of a shift, travelling on personal business, or transporting only goods and not passengers.
Taxis are not allowed to use contra-flow bus lanes (in which traffic travels in the opposite direction to the traffic beside it) under any circumstances.
Hackneys and are not permitted to use bus lanes.
As far as I recall College Green Northside to Southside narrows to one lane in which case there is no adjacent lane of traffic traveling in the same direction i.e. the only adjacent lane(s) are on the right hand side traveling in the opposite direction?
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Again who put up the Neon Sign does it have any legal standing .It could say Big Dommos Pitch and Toss School now open .
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I don't think they have any legal weight at least insofar as they are not defined as regulatory signs. However, as I'm sure you are aware, they are referenced within the Rules of the Road as follows:
Variable Message Signs (VMS)
These signs provide information in an electronic format and are designed to inform you of a range of issues relating to roads, roadworks and road safety. The content of the sign will change, depending on the situation. You should pay particular attention to these signs and messages.
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Does a VMS sign over-rule the legal roadsign?
Not the same but I was coming back from Blanch S.C. the other day and where the N3 becomes the Navan Road (I guess), there's a 30km/hr sign stenciled on the road while just beside it, there was a 40km/hr road sign! Now if I did either speed, someone would run into the back of me but I wonder which speed limit I'm supposed to adhere to?
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It was 30, it's now 40. One of my driving instructing colleagues/competitors told me that it's the signs that matter as far as the law is concerned. They must comply with regulations i.e. if you see one that's not circular with black characters on a white background with a red surround it's not mandatory and for a change of limit the signs must be on both sides of the road to have legal affect. I've not studied the regulatory framework in such detail myself but he seemed to know what he was talking about so I've no reason to doubt him.
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This was issued as press release May 2023. I keep a copy in the car in case reality needs to be explained to a 17yr old on day release from Templemore.
https://www.thejournal.ie/private-cars-banned-driving-through-college-green-6080179-May2023/ (https://www.thejournal.ie/private-cars-banned-driving-through-college-green-6080179-May2023/)
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This was issued as press release May 2023. I keep a copy in the car in case reality needs to be explained to a 17yr old on day release from Templemore.
https://www.thejournal.ie/private-cars-banned-driving-through-college-green-6080179-May2023/ (https://www.thejournal.ie/private-cars-banned-driving-through-college-green-6080179-May2023/)
Any wonder why Uber is not going to be allowed outside of the licenced vehicle arena? Also, why does Jane Moore look so surprised? 8)
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Free Now is allowed to supply unlicensed EVs up above in Dublin, SB... so it's hard to see why Uber couldn't if it wanted to... or is it not greasing the right palms?
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This was issued as press release May 2023. I keep a copy in the car in case reality needs to be explained to a 17yr old on day release from Templemore.
https://www.thejournal.ie/private-cars-banned-driving-through-college-green-6080179-May2023/ (https://www.thejournal.ie/private-cars-banned-driving-through-college-green-6080179-May2023/)
Again, proves you can read so consciously chose to ignore relevant signage I guess.
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Some prick of a Garda signalled for me to stop while I was turning onto Frederick Street North from the N1(road to Drumcondra). Absolute shite talking about roof signs and branding, kept telling him my car is PSV, and road is for PSVs. Wouldn't fucking listen to me. In the end, he's alright no problem, be on your way. Tosser.
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Agreed. But they can get specific when they want to... E.g., Top of North Frederick Street - "PSV" and not just "Buses" unlike College Green busgate. BTW, I'm not trying to be argumentative, just curious/confused.
(https://i.ibb.co/gdKvpZc/Screenshot-2024-01-12-012121.jpg)
All you need is a cop in a bad humour, or a zealous chief super.
::fds
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I know what you mean.