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Title: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: silverbullet on March 18, 2025, 04:09:26 pm
One job from them for the whole week. Are they winding down, or is it merely an attempt to blackmail drivers into defacing their vehicles with cheap advertising?

On the other hand, Uber jobs were flying, branding or not.

BOLT are sending me more jobs than FN FFS!
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: mercenary for hire on March 18, 2025, 04:28:42 pm
After a drought of nearly a month I completed my first Freenow job on Sunday.They even emailed me last week to say they'd loads of work but they really don't.The ambassador branding may just have alienated enough drivers that even as taxi drivers we'd rather work for Uber.

I was speaking to a pal recently who claims he can't even get enough work to get priority status anymore.All that tells me is they've lost their lead.
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: Jack Meoff on March 18, 2025, 06:19:54 pm
Couldn’t even get a job off the app on paddy’s day.
Thought my phone was even broke
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: Octavia1 on March 18, 2025, 06:34:31 pm
Told yis .... ya can fool sum the apes sum o the time .... an all o the apes all o the time .... but a greedy cunt meets karma in the end ....

They shudder consulted me yers ago ....I cud turned that business around in a month Donald Trump style .... ide go so far as to say  uber wud of bean obliterated ....
It's quite obvious now that feenow has capitulated to an uber takeover ...
I'm given taxi work another yer or 2 before rideshare comes in .... if you understand  how corrupt an fucked
yur country works ...  somewhere along the line the brown envelope will be the right size .....
The future of ape transport is economic tourist employment wen the exchequer begins to crumble ....
An the way tings are goin we won't have much time left ....
 ::sleep
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: silverbullet on March 18, 2025, 08:19:55 pm
Couldn’t even get a job off the app on paddy’s day.
Thought my phone was even broke
+1
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 18, 2025, 08:39:40 pm
Weird. I went back to my Coolock centric circuit on Sun night having got my second ton plus job from Uber or Free Now up above to Dublin. I needed one job for an Uber bonus but ended up doing 8+ for Free Now and clearing their €40 bonus instead. Was just about home by 21:30 when for no good reason I automatically accepted a Free Now to Skerries following which I figured I might as well take one to Rush following which I couldn't resist the third (almost) ton of my shift going right up above to Dublin city via Swords. Didn't get home 'till 23:02 having started at 16:05... and after doing a few hours in the morning (c.10:03-c.13:01). Done a few hours (2.57) yesterday afternoon which were shite by comparison, barely pulling a ton in total... rough with the smooth, I guess.

Anywaysanall, I digress... my point is that there's fuck all work on Uber in the working class northside suburbs where you'd be forgiven for thinking folk might prefer cheaper fares.  I couldn't get a single fare to clear the bonus or (for the conspiracy theorists) do they deliberately bypass you to avoid paying the bonus? I don't really subscribe to that theory 'cos I have cleared a few of their bonuses working the north county and even got the odd extra fiver per job that they seem to offer once you've completed the minimum requirement.
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: Belker on March 19, 2025, 08:34:32 am
One job from them for the whole week. Are they winding down, or is it merely an attempt to blackmail drivers into defacing their vehicles with cheap advertising?

On the other hand, Uber jobs were flying, branding or not.

BOLT are sending me more jobs than FN FFS!
My St. Patrick's weekend was very different to yours SB, but then again I'm 'Licky-Lacky' Gold status and always on Priority, and I only use the 1 app.

My working week started at Midnight on Thursday night and finished at 11.15am on Monday morning doing 40.5 hours work over the weekend, of which I covered 93 FN jobs, got €260 in Bobo from 5 completed Bobo quest's and paid €259 in commission. The €279 from the 93 x €3 PUC's will just about cover my tax bill fer the weekend.
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 19, 2025, 12:14:39 pm
You'll still have to pay tax when the PUC is gone!
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: C5 on March 19, 2025, 01:06:31 pm
Ride share won't come in because the industry is to heavily regulated with car standards/revenue and insurance, All that's gone if you have anyone with a car doing it. It's not in the other countries in the EU I think.
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: Octavia1 on March 19, 2025, 03:06:24 pm
Dead as a door mouse today  .... em ... doorknob ... ehh... nail .... ehhhmm

...
Never mind ....



 ::sleep
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: Dr. Martin Gooter Bling on March 19, 2025, 04:14:42 pm
lookin forward to aulwan's day now at the end of the month.
all the 30 year old grannies around darndale and ballymun. drop the anchor.
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: silverbullet on March 19, 2025, 05:51:19 pm
One job from them for the whole week. Are they winding down, or is it merely an attempt to blackmail drivers into defacing their vehicles with cheap advertising?

On the other hand, Uber jobs were flying, branding or not.

BOLT are sending me more jobs than FN FFS!
My St. Patrick's weekend was very different to yours SB, but then again I'm 'Licky-Lacky' Gold status and always on Priority, and I only use the 1 app.

My working week started at Midnight on Thursday night and finished at 11.15am on Monday morning doing 40.5 hours work over the weekend, of which I covered 93 FN jobs, got €260 in Bobo from 5 completed Bobo quest's and paid €259 in commission. The €279 from the 93 x €3 PUC's will just about cover my tax bill fer the weekend.
I got a hairy one from Uber, a few from BOLT and C2K, but just one from FN. As the old saying goes "When the radio is busy the streets are busy".
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 20, 2025, 10:02:42 am
Decent enough for me yesterday.... guts of a deuce by lunchtime. Not a peep out of either app so far today though. I was late logging in (c.09:02, usually switch on c.07:58) 'cos I had a double driving lesson last night... swings and roundabouts, I guess.
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: Octavia1 on March 20, 2025, 10:35:13 am
Decent enough for me yesterday.... guts of a deuce by lunchtime. Not a peep out of either app so far today though. I was late logging in (c.09:02, usually switch on c.07:58) 'cos I had a double driving lesson last night... swings and roundabouts, I guess.

Wats a deuce ? These inglish slang words  are very irritating to us celts   ::fds
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 20, 2025, 11:09:30 am
2 ton. Still €0 so far today... one offer from Hal's neck of the woods is the only noise my clever phone has made since I logged on over 2 hours ago... I'd nearly take a taxi save job to the station at this stage!
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: Octavia1 on March 20, 2025, 11:34:55 am
2 ton. Still €0 so far today... one offer from Hal's neck of the woods is the only noise my clever phone has made since I logged on over 2 hours ago... I'd nearly take a taxi save job to the station at this stage!

Funny that ... I'm flyin today an yesterday after 2 hours not one offer .... home to nap  ::sleep
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 20, 2025, 11:42:58 am
I'm still tweaking my latest passive working methodology. Starting before 08:00 and staying out between jobs until 09:30 seems to be a wise strategy... I'm also considering experimenting with holding Drogheda or Swords for maybe 15-30 mins if/when I get to those parts and maybe holding the station if there's a train due and maybe trying to reactivate my Bolt account. In any event, working the apps in these parts is extremely inconsistent. You could stay logged on for 12 hours and not see a job from Free Now or Uber... then on another day you could be racing up and down the M1 all day! One of the two local firms is aligned to Lynk so I think the other apps are only feeding from the crumbs off Lynk's table. Tuesday was also a good day for me... so it's easy enough to conclude that the Lynk men were off spending the large fortunes they made at the weekend and they're all back today, I guess.

P.S. still jobless!
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: mercenary for hire on March 20, 2025, 12:48:38 pm
I used to think I noticed a definite boost on Tuesday afternoons after all the Freenow money had hit the bank accounts.Maybe in time that will move to Monday as Uber can have more work.

I have about ten and sometimes fifteen taxi drivers living around me within 500 meters and another twenty driving in the Navan road at any one time.I don't know when or if they're working so I choose to keep moving if I'm on duty and stay away from the gaff.On quiet days I'll drive in as far as Ballsbridge after leaving having gotten no offers.Eventually I get something.I learned to do this after living in Blanch as there are a lot more taxis out there doing fuk all.Blanch is like the desert for taxi work compared to town.I frequently refuse jobs going out there.Tallaght isnt much different.You will be returning empty most of the time.
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 20, 2025, 01:09:44 pm
Probably best to keep moving but I'm kinda doing other stuff as well with the apps running most of the time. On balance I'm getting at least as much as I was working evenings in the Northside suburbs. It just comes with quite extreme peaks and troughs. The biggest plus is being finished by 17:00 most days. I might migrate to a less passive daytime methodology in the summer... although I do miss the smell of cannabis!
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 20, 2025, 01:19:08 pm
Still haven't got a job today, btw.... and I have my Tesco shopping list and empty tins ready and waiting for one of the apps to get me off the couch!
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: mercenary for hire on March 20, 2025, 01:19:56 pm
If you can get the right work it might be the smarter thing to do RC.I remember hearing about a girl taxi driver living up in Templeogue that only accepts jobs to the airport.Apparently she has her kids monitoring the pre-book screen the night before also.

Recently my boredom has brought me to Tiktok where I've been watching UK Uber drivers live streaming declining tens of jobs until they see one juicy one they want.I assume lads are doing it here too and especially out at the airport which probably explains how I'm getting out of there so fast as I'm not very fussy.
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 20, 2025, 01:33:53 pm
I did experiment with working from home a while back - before I had Uber - and only taking jobs priced above a score. I got bored with that though... with only Bolt and Free Now such jobs were few and far between on a good week!

You gave us a theory before that moving cars get more offers and I think there's something in that. In any event, if I were to analyse the decent, say €40+, job offers I probably get as many while out doing a mickey mouse run to the station or on the way back from the same as I'd get sitting around e.g. on Tuesday I got a €93 job from Free Now while doing a €9 run to the station for them... so, I reckon you might as well just take what you can get and see where it might lead. The less thought you put into this game, the better. Sometimes we could do with FDS coming back to remind us that it's a neck down job!
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: mercenary for hire on March 20, 2025, 01:42:16 pm
As a courier we could just blame the base controller taking bribes and giving us no work in the past.Now I have convinced myself it's much more complicated when it might not be..
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: silverbullet on March 20, 2025, 01:48:30 pm
Weird. I went back to my Coolock centric circuit on Sun night having got my second ton plus job from Uber or Free Now up above to Dublin. I needed one job for an Uber bonus but ended up doing 8+ for Free Now and clearing their €40 bonus instead. Was just about home by 21:30 when for no good reason I automatically accepted a Free Now to Skerries following which I figured I might as well take one to Rush following which I couldn't resist the third (almost) ton of my shift going right up above to Dublin city via Swords. Didn't get home 'till 23:02 having started at 16:05... and after doing a few hours in the morning (c.10:03-c.13:01). Done a few hours (2.57) yesterday afternoon which were shite by comparison, barely pulling a ton in total... rough with the smooth, I guess.

Anywaysanall, I digress... my point is that there's fuck all work on Uber in the working class northside suburbs where you'd be forgiven for thinking folk might prefer cheaper fares.  I couldn't get a single fare to clear the bonus or (for the conspiracy theorists) do they deliberately bypass you to avoid paying the bonus? I don't really subscribe to that theory 'cos I have cleared a few of their bonuses working the north county and even got the odd extra fiver per job that they seem to offer once you've completed the minimum requirement.
Anywaysanall, I digress... my point is that there's fuck all work on Uber in the working class northside suburbs where you'd be forgiven for thinking folk might prefer cheaper fares.

Having to provide banking details is most likely the reason DNS punters shy away from Uber.

Uber has announced a cash option now to address that. drivers will have the choice of whether to opt into the service or not.
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 20, 2025, 01:50:20 pm
As a courier we could just blame the base controller taking bribes and giving us no work in the past.Now I have convinced myself it's much more complicated when it might not be..
The virtual base controllers are pissed off with me today. Looks like I'll have to go to Tesco without a job!
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: silverbullet on March 20, 2025, 01:52:16 pm
As a courier we could just blame the base controller taking bribes and giving us no work in the past.Now I have convinced myself it's much more complicated when it might not be..
25 years ago, the town was riddled with courier companies. Are they still a thing?
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 20, 2025, 01:53:09 pm
Might help alright, SB. Not sure why a driver would opt out. Unlike Free Now, Uber is guaranteeing payment on behalf of it's cash clients.
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: mercenary for hire on March 20, 2025, 01:56:23 pm
SB
"25 years ago, the town was riddled with courier companies. Are they still a thing? "

There are a few left but a lot of the small ones got swallowed up by the bigger ones.With internet speeds so fast nowadays you can send full documents via WhatsApp in an instant.A lot of that was courier work in the past.
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: silverbullet on March 20, 2025, 01:56:45 pm
Might help alright, SB. Not sure why a driver would opt out. Unlike Free Now, Uber is guaranteeing payment on behalf of it's cash clients.
Cash will be live from tomorrow
On Thursday March 20th, Cash payments (e.g. cash, debit/credit cards, Revolut) will be available to riders as a payment method. This means that riders can select to pay you Cash and not via the app, while requesting a trip. Cash payment trips allow more people to use Uber, and that means more business for you.


How does this work?

Cash payment trips will be automatically enabled on your account. By allowing Cash trips, you allow passengers to pay directly in the car. Before charging a passenger, check the driver app for the correct fare, as they may have a promotion. If a promotion applies, you will receive the full trip amount in your weekly payment.


Don't want to accept Cash payment trips?

No problem. Cash payment trips will be automatically enabled on your account. However, if you do not want to accept cash as a payment method, you can opt out of accepting cash at any time. Go to the preferences menu to opt out. If you want to accept cash as a payment method, you can opt in again at any time.

Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 20, 2025, 01:59:33 pm
I wasn't questioning whether drivers could opt out, only why they would when payment is guaranteed?
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: silverbullet on March 20, 2025, 02:02:34 pm
I wasn't questioning whether drivers could opt out, only why they would when payment is guaranteed?

The quality of the punter?
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 20, 2025, 02:05:55 pm
The riff raff have cards too!
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: Octavia1 on March 20, 2025, 02:06:06 pm
I turned on me accept cash jobs on fuknow an uber today in desperation .... I got 3 fuknow cash jobs / 2 account

  No cash jobs on uber ....
Maybe fuknow apes lost trust in fn wit all the robbin an thieving an are switchin to cash?


Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 20, 2025, 02:15:33 pm
Possibly. I guess they can't collect the "premium services" fees on cash jobs?
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: mercenary for hire on March 20, 2025, 02:20:43 pm
I was in the habit of heavily marking down Freenow cash jobs on the app by as much as 50% but eventually they just stopped sending me work.
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: Octavia1 on March 20, 2025, 02:21:00 pm
Possibly. I guess they can't collect the "premium services" fees on cash jobs?
Jus got another cash job
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: mercenary for hire on March 20, 2025, 02:25:34 pm
Octy a lot of day drivers have the cash option disabled.We're very soft and we don't like dealing with the scum unless it's going to the airport..
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: silverbullet on March 20, 2025, 02:25:54 pm
The riff raff have cards too!
Yeah, I know. But they're generally for chopping up the Coke. I was talking about bank cards.
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: Octavia1 on March 20, 2025, 02:49:00 pm
Octy a lot of day drivers have the cash option disabled.We're very soft and we don't like dealing with the scum unless it's going to the airport..

I jus took a dodgy track suit/ Adam type  from a hoval ide normally never go near...  for experimental purposes...sacrificin me personal safety for the forum ....  an not a bother ....got paid an a tip anall ... 

Plus the best bit .... puttin in lower ammount am saving commission..

Havin a great day I am  lol
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 20, 2025, 03:39:10 pm
The riff raff have cards too!
Yeah, I know. But they're generally for chopping up the Coke. I was talking about bank cards.

I was paid by card twice in Cara Park... Different clients, both rank jobs one from Northside SC and the other from Clarehall SC
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: silverbullet on March 20, 2025, 07:47:02 pm
The riff raff have cards too!
Yeah, I know. But they're generally for chopping up the Coke. I was talking about bank cards.

I was paid by card twice in Cara Park... Different clients, both rank jobs one from Northside SC and the other from Clarehall SC
*generally*

If you mention "Paddy Blue-Eyes" when heading to Cara Park, you'll usually get paid. He does security on the Darndale Resource Centre.
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: Belker on March 21, 2025, 05:51:55 pm
I was in the habit of heavily marking down Freenow cash jobs on the app by as much as 50% but eventually they just stopped sending me work.
Don't do that, generally speaking you will get away with it, but if'n one customer whom needs an email receipt puts in a complaint, then they will rigoursely go back through your cash jobs history and most likely ban you fer life.

I witnessed it happening in the Cork MyTaxi office a few years ago, it was most unpleasant to watch.
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: Belker on March 21, 2025, 05:55:34 pm
Might help alright, SB. Not sure why a driver would opt out. Unlike Free Now, Uber is guaranteeing payment on behalf of it's cash clients.
I don't do app Cash jobs by night, reasons being that they are generally a lot messier that Account jobs.
I would have no problem doing them by day, obviousely avoiding the known trouble spots.
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: mercenary for hire on March 21, 2025, 06:18:04 pm
Belker
"Don't do that, generally speaking you will get away with it, but if'n one customer whom needs an email receipt puts in a complaint, then they will rigoursely go back through your cash jobs history and most likely ban you fer life.

I witnessed it happening in the Cork MyTaxi office a few years ago, it was most unpleasant to watch. "

What are they going to do stop giving me work?Up until yesterday my Freenow work has been fairly insignificant.I always tell the passengers what I'm doing and if they don't like it that's their problem.

I'll be out working tomorrow morning early as usual and I won't get Freenow offer for hours while Uber is hopping.This has been going on for weeks Belker.

The reason we sign up to multiple apps is so they can't screw our wages when we fall out with them.Freenow is finished as far as I can see and it won't be long before Cork follows Dublin.

Have your other apps ready to go in case you need them.All it takes is one passenger compliant to get you knocked off the app and you're back queuing on the ranks.
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: Belker on March 21, 2025, 06:41:57 pm
.... I watched on this morning as a driver at the Cork FN office got a life time ban fer under declaring cash jobs, now I have no idea of how many previous warnings he got from FN but on over hearing he had done it many numerous times on FN cash jobs and he was politely shown the door and told that his FN app would never be switched back on.
The life time FN ban seemed a bit harsh to me, but then I don't know the entire history of how many warning he had previously received from FN. Maybe 6 months or a year suspended from the FN app would have been a better punishment and then monitor him very closely.

I thought that he was gonna Kick-off and wreck the place but thankfully he didn't and left placidly, prob had a piss in the elevator on the way down !
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 21, 2025, 08:57:07 pm
We probably needed them more than they needed us back then, Ken. Uber, at least, is a viable alternative these days.

...not that I condone under-declaring fares. They do have a virtual meter of sorts running in the background so they can detect it easily enough. My own view, however, is that you can choose to accept or reject any job. If you don't accept the applicable, however extortionate, fees don't accept the job!
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: Octavia1 on March 21, 2025, 11:05:01 pm
We probably needed them more than they needed us back then, Ken. Uber, at least, is a viable alternative these days.

...not that I condone under-declaring fares. They do have a virtual meter of sorts running in the background so they can detect it easily enough. My own view, however, is that you can choose to accept or reject any job. If you don't accept the applicable, however extortionate, fees don't accept the job!

If feenow want to save ther business..... I'm available for consultation.... I'm not cheap... 500 an hour aut to suffice  .... but I'll turn that cunty ting around in  a week Trump style .... how I hear ya ask ?
Sack the cunts that fukin ruined it with totally unnecessary complications
Used to justify the cunts wages 
Silly cunts  ::fds
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 22, 2025, 10:38:17 am
Remove Tech fees, Increase commission to 32%?
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 22, 2025, 11:27:48 am
To be honest, the damage is probably done... bar throwing a large fortune at advertising the new lower fares that are still higher than Uber's fares.

I know I won't go back to them as a rider. Why risk being charged anything from €1.50-€40+ on top of the metered fare for "premium services" that you don't need or want. Uber is simple, they generally charge less than the metered fare and you know you're not going to be charged more than €1 (inc. VAT) for tech fees / premium services and you (well, those of us that do a bit ourselves) know that the driver is being paid significantly more than Free Now would pay him... and the service is generally good so why fix something that ain't broke?
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: Bob Shillin on March 22, 2025, 11:37:41 am
To be honest, the damage is probably done... bar throwing a large fortune at advertising the new lower fares that are still higher than Uber's fares.

I know I won't go back to them as a rider. Why risk being charged anything from €1.50-€40+ on top of the metered fare for "premium services" that you don't need or want. Uber is simple, they generally charge less than the metered fare and you know you're not going to be charged more than €1 (inc. VAT) for tech fees / premium services and you (well, those of us that do a bit ourselves) know that the driver is being paid significantly more than Free Now would pay him... and the service is generally good so why fix something that ain't broke?
Until critical mass market share is achieved.
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 22, 2025, 11:49:44 am
Absolutely. Then they can "charge whatever they like" in the words or our NTA lords and masters.

One can see a situation arising through manufacture or otherwise where taxis simply become too expensive for the working man. Free Now's "premium service" fees have already done irreparable damage to our trade. Folk will tolerate paying whatever is demanded at peak times but the problem when that's formalised (rather than negotiated with a driver on an ad-hoc basis) is that they get the impression that the hugely inflated fares are normal so will make other arrangements for off-peak journeys only resorting to getting a taxi when there's no other option.

Eventually, I can see the temporary moratorium on the issue of saloon hackney plates being lifted to promote a more affordable service for clients who don't need to use bus lanes and aren't bothered by the first 2 digits of the number plate. Given the shift to taxis being a premium service it might make sense to restrict taxi plates to EVs less than 3 years old in conjunction with lifting the temporary moratorium on the issue of saloon hackney plates with no applicable vehicle age restrictions?
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: markmiwurdz on March 22, 2025, 12:13:29 pm
To be honest, the damage is probably done... bar throwing a large fortune at advertising the new lower fares that are still higher than Uber's fares.

I know I won't go back to them as a rider. Why risk being charged anything from €1.50-€40+ on top of the metered fare for "premium services" that you don't need or want. Uber is simple, they generally charge less than the metered fare and you know you're not going to be charged more than €1 (inc. VAT) for tech fees / premium services and you (well, those of us that do a bit ourselves) know that the driver is being paid significantly more than Free Now would pay him... and the service is generally good so why fix something that ain't broke?


They-FN are desperate at this stage,they've even got punters to think it's still busy at about 10.30 in the morning with about 80% of working drivers free after the morning rush by getting them to order a "Priority Driver" for a surcharge with hundreds of drivers doing nothing probably right beside them anyway....that's a fukkin disgrace.
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 22, 2025, 12:20:41 pm
One would imagine they're familiar with the price elasticity of demand. I think the real challenge they have is reconciling the current owner's (BMW /Daimler) requirement for profit with competing with the extremely low (in relative terms) fares offered by Uber et al.
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 22, 2025, 12:33:33 pm
I should have said low fares currently being offered by Uber. As BS pointed out it's all strategic... well above our pay grade!
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: mercenary for hire on March 22, 2025, 03:04:22 pm
Cheaper saloon taxis wont bring down the fares IMO.The fares are comparable to other big developed cities.I think the prices just look higher because we're all older now and some of us still remember Irish punts..Thirty years ago I was getting about one hundred punts a week in Mackers for a full week as a student.Now they're getting 6 or 7 times that in euros.I remember lads on forums saying a trummer in (kens language) was something to brag about for a night driver, now the day lads can make them if they really wanted them and more.By the time I retire in thirty years at 77 I'll be taking in thousands... a day and a pint will be fifty quid in Templebar.

Kinda bleak really..
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: watty on March 22, 2025, 03:53:20 pm
The fares are set by the NTA after a rigorous assessment of the economic landscape in Ireland and it ensures the average taxi driver gets an average wage for doing an average job an average working week.  In other words, taxi fares are not expensive compared to everything else in Ireland.  Just look at your weekly shopping bill or try pricing stuff and/or tradespeople for your house  >:(
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 22, 2025, 05:08:09 pm
So how are Free Now fares so much more expensive than anyone else's? I took a taxi home from the pub recently and a tenner covered the fare and a generous gratuity. Free Now would charge €12.50-€41.00 excluding the driver's gratuity for the same ride. Uber would charge c.€8.40.

Metered fares (i.e. before premium services fees) probably are comparable to other big cities, MfH but many of those cities have cheaper private hire options with which the natives would be familiar. We also have a situation where rural folk are being charged city prices to get home from the bar or down to the station... for the most part their needs are less refined than their city cousins i.e. they don't need to use bus lanes and they don't care about the first two digits of the cab's registration number, they just want to get from A to B without paying the immigrant driver or multinational dispatch operator rates a GP would struggle to justify!
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: mercenary for hire on March 22, 2025, 06:26:21 pm
The culchies can get the big wages too RC.On my last trip to Bantry and beyond it was noticable how many new cars were on the drives.Lots of solar panels and not much poverty to be seen.Rural Ireland isn't as backwards as we might think these days.They can well afford the Dublin taxi rate.Even the dole spongers and pensioners down the bog get the same as the dubs but likely have lower outgoings.I doubt they're boiling their linguini over the fire.

I'm not sure think hacks are really much cheaper in the UK as they're often run by Uber and Bolt etc who take 25%.Inflation has been nuts in the last 5 years.No escaping it.

Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: silverbullet on March 22, 2025, 07:56:22 pm
So how are Free Now fares so much more expensive than anyone else's? I took a taxi home from the pub recently and a tenner covered the fare and a generous gratuity. Free Now would charge €12.50-€41.00 excluding the driver's gratuity for the same ride. Uber would charge c.€8.40.

Metered fares (i.e. before premium services fees) probably are comparable to other big cities, MfH but many of those cities have cheaper private hire options with which the natives would be familiar. We also have a situation where rural folk are being charged city prices to get home from the bar or down to the station... for the most part their needs are less refined than their city cousins i.e. they don't need to use bus lanes and they don't care about the first two digits of the cab's registration number, they just want to get from A to B without paying the immigrant driver or multinational dispatch operator rates a GP would struggle to justify!
Pub? would that I could.
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: Belker on March 23, 2025, 09:28:36 am
.... . We also have a situation where rural folk are being charged city prices to get home from the bar or down to the station... for the most part their needs are less refined than their city cousins ......
You have mentioned this before Stephen and I don't understand how you reckon a Rural TAXI should be less expensive than a City taxi ?
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 23, 2025, 12:44:17 pm
One only has to open the Free Now app in London to see the price difference between a clapped out Prius and a black cab in those parts, MfH. Similarly, in Spain the locals seem to check the price on both Uber and Bolt before ordering a cab. Seemingly there can be considerable differences in price at any given time but both are generally cheaper than hiring a licensed taxi on the street or at a rank. A lady from New York was telling me that Uber fares are significantly lower there than here - not that she gave a fuck as she was on expenses - but the tipping culture ensures that drivers are adequately rewarded and promotes good customer service.

I guess factors such as the lack or traffic, distances folk might have to travel to the bar, store, school or station, lack of other public transport options are all relevant, Ken. I daresay any publican who tried to charge over a tenner for a pint wouldn't last long in any rural backwater. Historically i.e. before entry liberalisation and implementation of the National Taximeter Area local authorities set taxi rates appropriate to their requirements. Similarly we had a healthy hackney (private hire) sector with taxis being a rarity outside of the big cities where folk might have more refined desires including access to bus lanes. In Dublin, for example, the hackney sector was probably one of the best examples of what the capitalists like to call the market finding it's own level as existed in any trade. In the city centre there were firms focussed on corporate trade (e.g. Metro, City Cabs) who charged fares comparable or, in some cases, higher than taxi fares. Then in the working class suburbs you had the likes of Checkers offering a local for less than what would be on the taximeter with no extras before the car moved. Such firms also offered budget fares in to the city. Then out in the sticks you had the likes of Swords cabs with similar local fares to Checkers and set fares to other North County towns at rates significantly lower than a licensed taxi would charge.

The problem with not having a non-premium service, particularly in rural areas, is that we have lost an entire sector of the market. Put simply, taxis aren't a viable alternative to owning a car in the same way as hackneys were prior to entry liberalisation. The more "premium service" fees the multinationals help themselves to the more our market contracts.
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: silverbullet on March 24, 2025, 01:12:08 pm
.... . We also have a situation where rural folk are being charged city prices to get home from the bar or down to the station... for the most part their needs are less refined than their city cousins ......
You have mentioned this before Stephen and I don't understand how you reckon a Rural TAXI should be less expensive than a City taxi ?
Poor farmers obviously...and their propensity to drink drive, often with the support of Healy-Rae type representatives.
Title: Re: FREE NOW St.Patrick's Week
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 24, 2025, 01:55:49 pm
Poor farmers, housewives bringing the kids to the doctor, etc, etc...

NTA doesn't give a flying fuck about anyone outside of Dublin city centre. Less than one tenth of one Local Area Hackney plate has been issued per county per year since those plates were introduced in 2014 in conjunction with implementation of the current temporary moratorium on the issue of saloon hackney plates. That just about sums up their contempt for the stereotypical bachelor, struggling to make ends meet on some remote small holding, while being denied any prospect of social intercourse from one end of the year to the other.