Irish Taxi Forum
Public Area => Taxi Talk => Topic started by: Theoneandonly on September 15, 2017, 01:30:27 pm
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Various agencies such as Hoppa, Sun transfers, city ride, easy transfers etc use Irish taxi companies and individual drivers to cover work, often long distance/airport transfers, they pay said companies the going rate via credit card/bank transfer, however they charge the passengers extortionate amounts, I once drove a passenger from the airport to Christ church who said they had paid €60 (I'd charged the agency €24)
Question is what is the legal situation here? obviously the passenger is being overcharged, but not by the driver, is the driver still liable?
Is this a method for overcharging passengers (having a middle man acting as an agent)
Many of these agencies exist and have done for a long time (google airport transfer) and select Dublin from the long list of companies providing this service.
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That's a good question. We have many men here called to the bar, be it The Swallows, The Bridge Tavern or Dicey's, whom, no doubt, will answer you in due course.
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Roy?.....this sounds familiar.
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You were hired to do the job on the meter and You were paid the meter fare .As the Job probably generated outside the state the NTA have no authority .No offence was committed in this jurisdiction .
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If the passenger agrees to pay €60 for the fare...well that's their problem....but for a driver to know that he's getting less than the agency....well that's his problem and if it's his/her only source of income....then they need to get another job!!
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If the passenger agrees to pay €60 for the fare...well that's their problem....but for a driver to know that he's getting less than the agency....well that's his problem and if it's his/her only source of income....then they need to get another job!!
He did. DJ'ing in Los Homos Eroticas in the Canaries, I'd say.
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Ah that place went tits up ages ago!!
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Loyalty card sale. That explains that.
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Your contract is with the person/entity that pays you.
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So, could anyone could act as an agent. charge a passenger whatever they like and then pay the driver whatever he says the fare is (plus a tip to make up the difference)?
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Usually this work entails a meet and greet with the passenger and it covers your parking fee and for 30 minutes of waiting time.
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So, could anyone could act as an agent. charge a passenger whatever they like and then pay the driver whatever he says the fare is (plus a tip to make up the difference)?
I guess the agent needs a DO licence, strictly speaking. Not sure how NTA could pursue those who operate outside of it's geographical jurisdiction. I feel an email coming together!
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I feel an email coming together!
I think John is too busy packing his jocks and a few wifebeaters to be constructing an easy to understand e-mail...or so the NTA hopes!!
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He musta got his Christmas 2014 bonus from Hail0/mytaxi...
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He musta got his Christmas 2014 bonus from Hail0/mytaxi...
That would hardly pay for the taxi from the airport!!
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There's an app for that.
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So, could anyone could act as an agent. charge a passenger whatever they like and then pay the driver whatever he says the fare is (plus a tip to make up the difference)?
I guess the agent needs a DO licence, strictly speaking. Not sure how NTA could pursue those who operate outside of it's geographical jurisdiction. I feel an email coming together!
Do they? given that it's a driver/client relationship rather than a "despatched" job.
For example Spanish students, whereby the transfers are part of the overall package including accommodation/education, it would be deemed very unprofessional for the hosts/school to disclose what the client paid.
So, does the driver need to operate a meter if the passenger isn't paying and the fare is pre-paid/pre-agreed, there is no charge to the passenger therefore a blank meter is the correct outcome?
The client in this instance would probably prefer no meter, might even request it (if it's a gift or if there are other considerations at play).
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The driver gets the job from an agent so I'd tend to conclude that the agent is acting as a dispatcher and should be licensed. In any event, basic law dictates that the contract is with the person who pays, in this case the agent.
However, regardless of whether the agent is a DO or not the substantial problem seems to be that the driver must run the meter and may not charge more than the metered fare for each journey. Whether the driver can charge for additional services under a separate contract is probably worthy of consideration, for example he may be acting as a minder while the (using the example above) student is in his care - would a minder have to be PSA licensed?, carer might be a better role?
It seems that the regulations don't accommodate the kind of service under consideration very well. Perhaps an Irish solution is required... something along the lines of the contract requiring the driver to collect a chit from (for example) Rathfarnham and then drive to DAP and collect the student. Then the meter would start in Rathfarnham and the fare displayed wouldn't bother the passenger as it'd be the agent's problem, of course the driver is going to discount the end charge to match the fare agreed?
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Seems ridiculous, a company based in Ireland brings Spanish students in for the summer and uses a local taxi company to transfer said students at an agreed prepaid fare requires a Despatch license?
That is an actual business model rather than a made up one!
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Simple solution.For drop offs leave the meter off until you are on the M1.If you see an enforcement officer all they want is proof that you can print something out.Whether it's 8.80 or 58.80 it doesn't matter to them.They only approach the taxi after passengers have left the vehicle in my experience.They wont ask you where you got them from.Customers don't care about the meter just explain you're supposed to have it on...edit....oh just realised you were complaining abut this practice not trying to emulate it..
The legal way is to buy a limo licence.The Superb qualifies AFAIK.No age limits either.But that's kinda like giving in I suppose.I doubt the NTA will change the regs to suit a unique business model as the meter is supposed to protect the passengers from thieving drivers.
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Any of yis ever get hailo jobs from a middle aged Dublin woman with blonde hair who puts foreign students in the car at the departure ramp on T1 to go into town?Seemed like she had done it before,every efficient.Wonder if it's an agency creaming off the top using app drivers.
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Yes but, to me, the middle aged woman was a young girl.