Irish Taxi Forum
Public Area => Taxi Talk => Topic started by: U Wha on October 03, 2017, 04:42:37 pm
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I left the taxi game in 2014. Went back to college in 2015, to do a degree in Entrepreneurship at IADT. In 3rd year now, one of my assignments is researching the viability of a potential/proposed business.
I have access to supports, mentors, research. Also have access to other faculties in the college, visual communications, design gaming , app development, animation, graphic design etc.
I was thinking of doing my assignment on the perfect Irish taxi app. How it should work, how should it be owned, commercial interest, driver owned, what type of driver ownership, CO-OP or PLC.
One of the first steps is to research what drivers and customers want in such an app by way of survey.
Any suggestions on the content of the survey questions would be appreciated.
I will share publish the results of the assignment next may on this forum.
I am back driving a taxi, perfect job for someone in college. I let my licence lapse and had to retake the test 3 times and my insurance is nuts.
For transparency sake I have discussed a driver owned app previously on Roy's Forum. I had proposed 'eircab' as the app name, I have recently registered the domains to make sure they are protected. If such an driver app ever developed legs I would transfer the domains, if it was wanted. I have a some history in establishing a taxi co-op. What ever mistakes were made then by me, I have learnt from them and I honestly believe taxi drivers should control or have influence on how the industry is run.
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if your interested in starting an app do one for prostitutes .You would need millions to compete with UBER or Mytaxi .Dont mind if drivers or customers want another app first do your costs for advertising consider how you will compete with free vouchers from other apps .Dont waste your time .
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If we start at the end of the surveys and work backwards, the short answer to all questions from both drivers and passengers will be Hail0.
IMO, it should be a co-operative, and transparently so. All software/servers should be owned/controlled (using AWS would be OK once it's the co-op's account) by the co-op so there is no underlying/background commercial interest.
I'm a fan of keeping things simple. Forget about pre-bookings. Eliminate the cost of card chargebacks by requiring drivers to hold Sumup accounts, Sumup provides comprehensive APIs so is easy to incorporate in any app. Allocate jobs to the closest driver, etc...
Ericab is an excellent name. Good luck with the assignment.
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I haven't got millions to develop or compete against anyone. 20000 taxi drivers or a significant proportion of them can compete against anyone.
If they believed the business/app had their interests at heart with proper structures with no jobs for the boys, most drivers would support it, especially if it cost no more than what they pay Uber or MyTaxi.
What I do have is the next 9 months where I have to research a business proposal and may even get a beta test version of an app up and running through the college. This is something I have been interested in for a long time so why not do it and see where it goes, nothing to lose. if it isn't viable then that is what I say in my assignment report, All good.
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If we start at the end of the surveys and work backwards, the short answer to all questions from both drivers and passengers will be Hail0.
IMO, it should be a co-operative, and transparently so. All software/servers should be owned/controlled (using AWS would be OK once it's the co-op's account) by the co-op so there is no underlying/background commercial interest.
I'm a fan of keeping things simple. Forget about pre-bookings. Eliminate the cost of card chargebacks by requiring drivers to hold Sumup accounts, Sumup provides comprehensive APIs so is easy to incorporate in any app. Allocate jobs to the closest driver, etc...
Ericab is an excellent name. Good luck with the assignment.
Absolutely agree Rats. I believe drivers should have control. Start with simple app that can evolve with driver approval. If drivers supported it then a big marketing budget isn't required. Drivers use their own app and don't support the others then customers will migrate to where they can get a taxi. Drivers promote their own business.
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There was a thread (http://intaxi.org/forum/index.php?topic=8018.0) on Whistle Taxi App (http://www.whistletaxiapp.com/) awhile back. Similar thoughts/ideas to what's proposed here.
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Absolutely, there's nothing to lose.
The erm is a negative sort of chap, as you probably know from Roy's. However, he does have a point. You may want to consider what happened to Ride Austin (http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-41450980 (http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-41450980)) and/or even contact the people involved to get their input. Conversely, Uber is insignificant in Ireland and passengers here haven't really bought into mytaxi's "same crew, logo's new" rebranding so they may well be open to a better alternative.
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There was a thread ([url]http://intaxi.org/forum/index.php?topic=8018.0[/url]) on Whistle Taxi App ([url]http://www.whistletaxiapp.com/[/url]) awhile back. Similar thoughts/ideas to what's proposed here.
Not sure where that's at now. The fact that it's all very secretive puts me off as does the fact that it's promoted by a taxi rental firm with a fleet of c.50 cars. To be frank, I can't help suspecting that there's underlying commercial intent.
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Absolutely, there's nothing to lose.
The erm is a negative sort of chap, as you probably know from Roy's. However, he does have a point. You may want to consider what happened to Ride Austin ([url]http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-41450980[/url] ([url]http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-41450980[/url])) and/or even contact the people involved to get their input. Conversely, Uber is insignificant in Ireland and passengers here haven't really bought into mytaxi's "same crew, logo's new" rebranding so they may well be open to a better alternative.
Interesting article, big boys came back and knocked them out of the park, driver ownership of the app might prevent that. Very important point about how capacity needs to considered and how to increase it seamlessly as the customer base/demand grows.
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There was a thread ([url]http://intaxi.org/forum/index.php?topic=8018.0[/url]) on Whistle Taxi App ([url]http://www.whistletaxiapp.com/[/url]) awhile back. Similar thoughts/ideas to what's proposed here.
Cheers
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Interesting article, big boys came back and knocked them out of the park, driver ownership of the app might prevent that. Very important point about how capacity needs to considered and how to increase it seamlessly as the customer base/demand grows.
That's what makes AWS the obvious choice, I guess. You can scale up and down pretty much on demand. However, I'd be inclined to talk to Irish ISPs before committing to anything, most have services designed to compete with AWS and smaller firms might be more open to covering more of the mundane server admin tasks for you. I'd definitely talk to www.hostingireland.ie (http://www.hostingireland.ie) - They host this place which is nothing close to the scale you are considering but their customer service is second to none.
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Going to do you a favour here U .I am for my sins and Economist so I will give you the economics of a taxi app .It is revenue neutral eg UBER have never made a profit and if you check out Mytaxi revenue returns I doubt they have ever made a profit .
Like you take out insurance against an accident what the taxi apps are doing is taking out insurance against driverless cars .Mytaxi will reinvest any profits into vouchers and bonus payments for drivers all they are doing is building up a data bank just in case driver less cars ever become popular they WILL NOT .
I will give you an example of why it will never happen .When they invented the microwave everybody thought that that was the end of cooking ,go into your local supermarket and compare how many ingredients are for sale and how many microwave ready meals are on sale people like to cook and drivers like to drive .There is no profit in a taxi app as that is not why they were invented .
Do yourself a favour and rethink your project this is a bottle of smoke what you think you are seeing is not what exists .
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do you reckon driverless taxis will ever happen john.
do you ever see those autonomous robot vacuums.
Brilliant fuckin idea. One problem though.
You need to live in a palace with no fuckin furniture for the yoke to work.
Creating a solution nobody asked for to a problem that does'nt exist.
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Going to do you a favour here U .I am for my sins and Economist so I will give you the economics of a taxi app .It is revenue neutral eg UBER have never made a profit and if you check out Mytaxi revenue returns I doubt they have ever made a profit .
Like you take out insurance against an accident what the taxi apps are doing is taking out insurance against driverless cars .Mytaxi will reinvest any profits into vouchers and bonus payments for drivers all they are doing is building up a data bank just in case driver less cars ever become popular they WILL NOT .
I will give you an example of why it will never happen .When they invented the microwave everybody thought that that was the end of cooking ,go into your local supermarket and compare how many ingredients are for sale and how many microwave ready meals are on sale people like to cook and drivers like to drive .There is no profit in a taxi app as that is not why they were invented .
Do yourself a favour and rethink your project this is a bottle of smoke what you think you are seeing is not what exists .
John I know from having read your posts on this forum and on the other one that you have spent a lot time researching and investigating this matter.
I agree as a commerical proposition that it may not succeed or even be viable. However I am not lookng to make a profit. I would be happy to part of it. If it works the it looks great on my CV and at the least I get to work on it from an academic point of view where it can helps me earn my degree and it is something that I am enthusiastic about.
One of the methods for innovation and creativity is to identify the problems and from there solutions can emerge. I say this with the upmost respect, There are no better informed stakebolders capable of identifying problems than the contributors.on this forum.
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I am serious when i say create a prostitute app put profiles on the app base it in a European country where prostitution is legal and create false hotel and services to camouflage the real destination of the payment .As a taxi driver i dont know how many times i have been asked do I know where I can I find
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do you reckon driverless taxis will ever happen john.
do you ever see those autonomous robot vacuums.
Brilliant fuckin idea. One problem though.
You need to live in a palace with no fuckin furniture for the yoke to work.
Creating a solution nobody asked for to a problem that does'nt exist.
Robots will do everything soon
Im waiting for the bkade runner ones
The fabulous looking sex worker ones so ill buy one of them teach it how toom cook and sack the wife
Na
Fuck the cooking il use lets eat
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I think Hail0 raised around stg£100,000,000. When it was rescued by Daimler it hadn't a pot to piss in.
At best UWs project could succeed, at worst it could cause Daimler to put another few hundred thousand euros in taxi drivers' pockets via vouchers. Erm, you already cost drivers a small fortune by advising Bill Cullen not to invest in our trade. No doubt you were well rewarded for that.
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Going to do you a favour here U .I am for my sins and Economist so I will give you the economics of a taxi app .It is revenue neutral eg UBER have never made a profit and if you check out Mytaxi revenue returns I doubt they have ever made a profit .
Like you take out insurance against an accident what the taxi apps are doing is taking out insurance against driverless cars .Mytaxi will reinvest any profits into vouchers and bonus payments for drivers all they are doing is building up a data bank just in case driver less cars ever become popular they WILL NOT .
I will give you an example of why it will never happen .When they invented the microwave everybody thought that that was the end of cooking ,go into your local supermarket and compare how many ingredients are for sale and how many microwave ready meals are on sale people like to cook and drivers like to drive .There is no profit in a taxi app as that is not why they were invented .
Do yourself a favour and rethink your project this is a bottle of smoke what you think you are seeing is not what exists .
If the microwave could turn itself on and off it would be the end of cooking. The primary reason for the multitude of ingredients in shops is product diversification to stop brands becoming obsolete. There are 5 takeaways in every rural village and restaurants cannot fill chef positions....and people are cooking? Driverless cars will happen John, probably long after we're dead from TV dinners and the like, but it's as sure as men will want their flutes sucked by anyone other than the one kissing their kids.
The reason for this is not down to consumer choice but rather not having one due to Govt policies. 2/3's of adults over 55 are medicated in Ireland...that figure will match the U.S.A's one of near 80% in time. We're constantly being told by Govt Quangos and agencies that we're not fit to tie our own laces... a la the AA's catchphrase regarding mobiles"not while you're driving" and "remember to turn your fog lights off while on the hard shoulder masturbating".
At every hands turn they are insisting men and women who've been doing jobs for yrs be retrained in the same job in order to obtain a certificate to prove they're fit to do the very job they were doing before they had to take a day off to sit the test.
Surprised you can't see that we're being shoved to one side.
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Driverless Cars will be invented that is certain but the public including todays kids who are breastfed on TV and tablet and mothered by digital download wont want them .People are waking up to Big Data where everything you do or say is recorded somewhere by someone .I doubt the computing capability exists to run a billion self drive cars at once doing nano calculations to operate the vehicles .FFS Mytaxi cant even get their app to work and you cant livestream a match without it freezing .Auto Pilot is a great example it can fly and land the plane but passengers would not get on to a plane without a Pilot Although it would be safe and Mickie O would introduce it in the morning .The car has become a symbol of freedom a way to get around it is an enabler .I cannot see people willingly giving up that freedom and unless every car is running with the same programme I can never see the day when they will be viable .Most of the tech that has been developed for driverless cars will be incorporated into electric or hydrogen powered cars .In newbuild cities built on a grid system Driverless cars might work but I can never see one picking up Pancho and his bird from Finches .Another HUGE risk for driverless cars is they would be vulnerable to being hacked .
Driverless Cars and Drones doing deliveries are pipedreams pushed by Amazon, another company that has never made a profit to drive up its share price so they can sell shares as that is where they make their money selling shares in a mythical future .
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John, I guarantee you there were 2 fellas chewing the fat like us before the Battles of the Somme and Marne, both on horses laughing at the prospect of this big, ugly yoke with wheels and chains doing away with the need for cavaliers. One of them smoking a Woodbine, s[]ing at the officer's appraisal of this machine, the other laughing at the fella lighting a woodbine with a match because he had heard the same thing about the lighter never taking off.
Anyway...cooking....
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-03/easyjet-founder-set-to-launch-just-eat-rival-easyfood (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-03/easyjet-founder-set-to-launch-just-eat-rival-easyfood)
George Osborne's driverless trucks thingy was a load of bollix so you're probably right.. 8)
Breaking the unions is what this is all about. No harm having a laugh at the whole thing........So why is George Osborne so interested in this technology? One possibility is that he considers it a way of weakening two of the last remaining bastions of union power: lorry and taxi drivers. Another is that he hopes it will provide a boost for the UK car manufacturing industry. Either way, the revolution, when it comes, will not be driverless.
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If our friend U wants to invent an app then invent a Spare Plate App .Everybody eats but not everybody has time to cook .Mrs Mary Margaret O Leary a housewife mother home keeper of 2 Mulligan Street Dublin 26 is a grand cook on wednesday she makes her husbands favourite Mince Stew .If she gets a larger pot she can make more .Now Raymond Gilhooley works for some aDriverless Car development company his department are working on self smelling air fresheners for the Driverless cars any hoo none of that matters .He lives in one of those new single person residential pods they just built on the main Road .Now he dosent like cooking as it smells up his pod and the bang of boiling cabbage off his douvet puts his boyfriend off sex .So Mary Margret offers two plates of stew for sale on the Spare Plate App Raymond looks at her Star rating and purchases the food he collects it from her Gaff in thermal containers and brings it home and serves it .He gets a hot meal Mary Margret gets an earner and tomorrow Raymond will look on the app for something Appatising for dinner .
Now Raymond might use Mytaxi or UBER or Lyft to hail his taxi as they already exist but unlike lets eat there is no app that allows a person with an extra portion of food to sell it to the public .The attraction of Spare Plate the Food app is it does and will have a big environmental impact in reducing food waste .
I appreciate that U is carrying out an academic exercise but why waste your time reinventing the wheel when Spare Plate might actually work and make you some coin .
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do you reckon driverless taxis will ever happen john.
do you ever see those autonomous robot vacuums.
Brilliant fuckin idea. One problem though.
You need to live in a palace with no fuckin furniture for the yoke to work.
Creating a solution nobody asked for to a problem that does'nt exist.
Robots will do everything soon
Im waiting for the bkade runner ones
The fabulous looking sex worker ones so ill buy one of them teach it how toom cook and sack the wife
Na
Fuck the cooking il use lets eat
Forget the autonomous robot vacuum cleaner.......that's not the threat to Mama Rotundo losing her part-time gig cleaning at Pat's Psychiatric. The robot using her Henry the Hoover is the threat. And as for cooking the slow cooker is the best thing ever...put your chicken chasseur on at 11pm and it's ready to go at 8am and cheap as fuck on the lecky.
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Now theres a thing that done away with the whole sense of community and family.The remote control you just lie on the sofa and press the button to change the channel .It has destroyed family life .Remember when you got her or the kids to jump up or run down the stairs to change from the BBC over to Channel 4 so you could watch all the races.You communicated with her and the kids ,now they leave you slouched on the couch while they mess about with their phone or her in doors is on facebook sharing gossip and scandal with the bingo crowd .
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I don't understand why you are so against competition in the app sector, erm. I imagine you were well paid in your capacity as adviser to Bill Cullen but UW has already told you he has nothing to give you.
While the provision of autonomous vehicles may be the ultimate objective for motor manufacturers, there will be self drive options along the way. Their focus is shifting from selling motor cars to selling efficient utilisation of motor cars. I think it was one of Daimler's Brand CEOs that coined the phrase Airbnb on wheels. The taxi trade certainly has a role to play for the foreseeable future provided we can provide a service that is fit for purpose. That is probably best achieved by working with the multinationals, blind opposition to everything they do or propose certainly won't get us anywhere.
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or her in doors is on facebook sharing gossip and scandal with the bingo crowd .
Probably discussing how to get out of that loveless marriage!!
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{I don't understand why you are so against competition in the app sector, erm.}Simple Rodent the less of them there are the greater power drivers have to leave If Mytaxi control 40% of the market they might think they control the drivers but in fact we can control them by leaving and destroy their business and they know this .In a more fragmented market our influence is diluted .
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As long as they keep throwin Samsung S7's and All For One(one for all) vouchers at drivers...they'll always have monkeys!!
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{I don't understand why you are so against competition in the app sector, erm.}Simple Rodent the less of them there are the greater power drivers have to leave If Mytaxi control 40% of the market they might think they control the drivers but in fact we can control them by leaving and destroy their business and they know this .In a more fragmented market our influence is diluted .
At least you have a theory. However, one firm dominating the trade is not a good thing. We have seen Uber increase commission rates in markets it dominates and mytaxi has tried to do the same in Germany. Even at 12% commission the work is very expensive. We need the bonuses to redress the balance. More competition ought to result in more bonuses. Remember we are now dealing with firms that are armed with blank cheques, surely it makes sense for us to encourage them to fill them in at will.
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Lads I am preparing a driver survey to publish on website,facebook page etc.
The topic is the ideal taxi app (for drivers).
Any suggestions on what taxi drivers should be asked in trying to identify what a driver wants out of an app and what would make them join/support it would be appreciated.
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Personally, I'd keep it as simple as:
- Simple, intuitive UI.
- Google Maps based.
- Full fare.
- Max 2 mins free waiting time, no free waiting time for pub/disco pick ups.
- Set price per job - not commission based.
- Maximum weekly freight i.e. capped.
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Forgot to ask for a panic button. Ideally bluetooth so the driver can mount it out of sight and doesn't have to reach for his phone to activate. Simple system to exploit safety in numbers, akin to the old flashing roof sign. When pressed all drivers in the area get an alert showing last known location. I might be able to get you a loan of a bluetooth button if Hal still has it! As a practical tool for drivers it could be a good USP to encourage adoption of the app.
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Yeah...still have it!!
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Lads I am preparing a driver survey to publish on website,facebook page etc.
The topic is the ideal taxi app (for drivers).
Any suggestions on what taxi drivers should be asked in trying to identify what a driver wants out of an app and what would make them join/support it would be appreciated.
@ 'U Wha'.
Do you realise what you are dealing with in trying to unite Irish taxi drivers ?
My old adage which I have spelt out a few times before;
What would happen if the NTA decided tomorrow to give every taxi driver
in Ireland a 1,000Euro Bonus ?
The Answer; There would be WAR !
The critics being every Taxi driver.
"Why is he getting the same as me n I've been at it Thirty years !"
"Why is he getting the same as me and I'm born in this country !"
"Why he he getting the same as me, And, And, Etc.....
There is No pleasing Taxi drivers, don't bother your time trying.
Try John M's "Prossie" app or maybe try a more legal D.ominatrix App.
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Forgot to ask for a panic button. Ideally bluetooth so the driver can mount it out of sight and doesn't have to reach for his phone to activate. Simple system to exploit safety in numbers, akin to the old flashing roof sign. When pressed all drivers in the area get an alert showing last known location. I might be able to get you a loan of a bluetooth button if Hal still has it! As a practical tool for drivers it could be a good USP to encourage adoption of the app.
Who the fuck would answer the panic button .
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There's still some good guys out there. The flashing roof sign worked very well, why the unions allowed it to disappear is beyond me. The only problem is that you need to get through to drivers that it is for emergencies, not because you're short of change or because a student pukes, etc...
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Personally, I'd keep it as simple as:
- Simple, intuitive UI.
- Google Maps based.
- Full fare.
- Max 2 mins free waiting time, no free waiting time for pub/disco pick ups.
- Set price per job - not commission based.
- Maximum weekly freight i.e. capped.
Cheers Rats, i will post the survey up here next or so, have to go through a process in college with it first.
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Lads I am preparing a driver survey to publish on website,facebook page etc.
The topic is the ideal taxi app (for drivers).
Any suggestions on what taxi drivers should be asked in trying to identify what a driver wants out of an app and what would make them join/support it would be appreciated.
@ 'U Wha'.
Do you realise what you are dealing with in trying to unite Irish taxi drivers ?
My old adage which I have spelt out a few times before;
What would happen if the NTA decided tomorrow to give every taxi driver
in Ireland a 1,000Euro Bonus ?
The Answer; There would be WAR !
The critics being every Taxi driver.
"Why is he getting the same as me n I've been at it Thirty years !"
"Why is he getting the same as me and I'm born in this country !"
"Why he he getting the same as me, And, And, Etc.....
There is No pleasing Taxi drivers, don't bother your time trying.
Try John M's "Prossie" app or maybe try a more legal D.ominatrix App.
Thanks Belker, I may well look at john m's prossie proposal another time but don't think it would go down too well with my lecturers.
Even if it goes no where it won't waste my time as it helps me get my degree.
Your are both right though, another student pointed out that it would be impossible to create a perfect app for drivers as every one has their own interpretation of what is perfect.
So I will have to rethink how to describe an app that would appeal broadly to taxi drivers.
What would entice a drivers to work an app when the streets are busy or otherwise have loyalty to such an app, Some sort of ownership.
A co-op or a commercial entity with driver shares.
Regarding funding, hard one alright. Driver support is key, No big marketing budget required if drivers supported it and left the other apps.
That would create a double barreled effect, the other apps would soon fail with no driver support and customers would move to the app that got them a cab.
there is enough start up funding in grants etc, especially for a tech business, to get a basic but functional app up and running, if drivers supported it it could be updated and improved as begins to make money. At that point further funding/grants would be available to get it up to the level that John m mentioned. Driver support is key, that support can come if drivers feel they have ownership and a say that is equal, open and transparent.
An example of a structure would be PDFORRA (Army Representative Association) or modern Credit unions . National committee or Board of Directors with driver representation. These voluntary reps may be elected from regions. The National committee appoints a competent (non taxi) CEO who implements the National Committee policy on behalf of the national committee and would run the day to day app operation.
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If this app got legs, as a entrepreneur student,
I would have access to mentors, consultants, start up grants etc.
Free and/or cheap access to the Media Cube, a tech hub on the IADT campus.
Access to other students from different creative and tech course run at the Institute of Art, Design and Technology in Dun Laoghaire who would work on the design and development of the app very cheaply or for free with pizza. Especially if the app helped them with their own assignments, portfolio's and CV's. ( Trinitys tudents, now a dentist designed Ryanair's first website. https://www.seapointclinic.ie/about/meet-the-team/dr-tom-linehan (https://www.seapointclinic.ie/about/meet-the-team/dr-tom-linehan) )
So nothing to lose except the opportunity to do it. I am genuinely doing this from a drivers point of view, if it works I get to work with an app that I helped start and it will be great on my CV.
If the contributors on this forum want to be part of it great, because I think you lads know your industry. I need to draw on your knowledge to make it happen.
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What would entice a drivers to work an app when the streets are busy or otherwise have loyalty to such an app, Some sort of ownership.
A co-op or a commercial entity with driver shares
Bonuses...and lots of them....asks Rats,Belker and all the other bonus chasers!!
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What would entice a drivers to work an app when the streets are busy or otherwise have loyalty to such an app, Some sort of ownership.
A co-op or a commercial entity with driver shares
Bonuses...and lots of them....asks Rats,Belker and all the other bonus chasers!!
I agree, I get the odd one myself when I work the app. It is short term though, that cash won't last for ever. When it runs out, a competitor App could do the same and there goes any mytaxi loyalty.
Would ownership, a voice (industry) and a dividend /return work?
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Taxi drivers and loyalty are rarely mentioned in the same breath.
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Taxi drivers and loyalty are rarely mentioned in the same breath.
and that's why the mytaxi bonuses won't work, 'eaten bread is soon forgotten' as an ould Mayo associate of mine once told me. No loyalty.
If you could crack the key to loyalty then you wouldn't need the millions that erm esposed to.
An app that is transparent, charges less or equal to competition, taxi drivers have a say in how it operates and profits are returned to drivers, invested in industry representation or a taxi driver benevolent fund.
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Taxi drivers and loyalty are rarely mentioned in the same breath.
and that's why the mytaxi bonuses won't work, 'eaten bread is soon forgotten' as an ould Mayo associate of mine once told me. No loyalty.
If you could crack the key to loyalty then you wouldn't need the millions that erm esposed to.
An app that is transparent, charges less or equal to competition, taxi drivers have a say in how it operates and profits are returned to drivers, invested in industry representation or a taxi driver benevolent fund.
As I said I think like an economist .Dont take this to heart .If you are studying computer science then develop your app but what you have just posted is a marketing assumption you say profits will be returned to drivers if there are profits .Then you add a deceptive creation where you say or invest in industry representation or a driver benevolent fund .Both suggestions suggest you want to use your app to influence or control some part of the industry so your transparency ethos is questionable .Would your so called representatives represent all of the industry or just those who use your app and contribute to the reps wages or will the benevolent fund only apply to users of your app .If you are doing computer science then develop the app but if you are doing business and think a taxi app without millions to back it up is going to work think again .In fact there is no need to develop a taxi app there are plenty available that can be rented to use as a platform for your Utopian business .Read the treads on here full pick up charge full fares and 100s of euro in bonus payments and still drivers complain .You say you drive a taxi you probably find comfort in working in a field that is familiar to you but just go into the app store and see how many taxi apps there are available ,seriously I dont see any possibility of commercial success unless you have deep pockets to launch and market it .
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Taxi drivers and loyalty are rarely mentioned in the same breath.
and that's why the mytaxi bonuses won't work, 'eaten bread is soon forgotten' as an ould Mayo associate of mine once told me. No loyalty.
If you could crack the key to loyalty then you wouldn't need the millions that erm esposed to.
An app that is transparent, charges less or equal to competition, taxi drivers have a say in how it operates and profits are returned to drivers, invested in industry representation or a taxi driver benevolent fund.
As I said I think like an economist .Dont take this to heart .If you are studying computer science then develop your app but what you have just posted is a marketing assumption you say profits will be returned to drivers if there are profits .Then you add a deceptive creation where you say or invest in industry representation or a driver benevolent fund .Both suggestions suggest you want to use your app to influence or control some part of the industry so your transparency ethos is questionable .Would your so called representatives represent all of the industry or just those who use your app and contribute to the reps wages or will the benevolent fund only apply to users of your app .If you are doing computer science then develop the app but if you are doing business and think a taxi app without millions to back it up is going to work think again .In fact there is no need to develop a taxi app there are plenty available that can be rented to use as a platform for your Utopian business .Read the treads on here full pick up charge full fares and 100s of euro in bonus payments and still drivers complain .You say you drive a taxi you probably find comfort in working in a field that is familiar to you but just go into the app store and see how many taxi apps there are available ,seriously I dont see any possibility of commercial success unless you have deep pockets to launch and market it .
Absolutely not taking it to heart, been around the block a few times at this stage. But what cynical paranoid thinking on your part, where did i say "I" would use profits to do or influence anything. Lets be clear I don't want to own it or run it. It's a college assignment that might just work, my piece is the degree and a mention on a CV that I had a part in the apps development and I might get a good job elsewhere on the back of it.
I suggested that the app and whatever corporate structure it may have could use the profits (if any) for the betterment of taxi drivers.
What proportion of taxi drivers it would or could represent or benefit would be up to drivers through a vote or by voluntary reps at an AGM.
From the start I have stated that the app would be completely owned or at least controlled (51% ) by drivers.
I suggested that it would be run by a national committee elected by drivers and that committee would appoint a competent (track record) non taxi driver CEO to oversee day to day operations. Where is my the me or I in that.
Utopian is an ideal that rarely survives the real world but that doesn't mean it couldn't work. You obviously only read the part of posts that you can pick at. As explained in previous posts It wouldn't need huge or deep pockets to get up and running, just taxi driver support and transparency is the key to that.
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Just think, if I had a part in unifying Irish taxi drivers in any fashion by joining or supporting a taxi App owned by taxi Drivers, I would get a job as an innovator and problem solver anywhere.
Also part of the degree is social entrepreneurship, innovating or creating a business that contributes to society or part of it.
Flag, nail and mast!
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just put the negativity aside for a minute.
A student has roughly 9 months at 20 hours a week to give this a go.
Access to resources, mentors, consultants, creative people, business people, start up funding, grants and lots of creative tech, visual communications students who work cheap and want something on their CV.
http://www.iadt.ie/courses/?type=undergraduate (http://www.iadt.ie/courses/?type=undergraduate)
http://www.iadt.ie/courses/user-experience-design (http://www.iadt.ie/courses/user-experience-design)
On top of that, the college may allow access to a high tech creative hub with office space.
http://www.mediacube.ie/ (http://www.mediacube.ie/)
What is there to lose? embrace it, no cost just support, if it comes to no end, then at least it was tried.
Drivers for Drivers
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Economists hat on once again .Your opening line {just put the negativity aside for a minute.}In your business plan what figure or cost do you put on this negativity
.How do you define this negativity in regard to applying a fiscal valuation to same .
Can you isolate the cause and cost of this negativity .
How do you intend to integrate the costs of overcoming this negativity into your cost base and how will you measure any decrease in this negativity.
Im a taxi driver asking but your Tutors will ask similar questions when assessing your business plan .As I said if it is just a Computer Science exercise to develop an app then go ahead but if part of the course is to be either socially or economically viable these are some of the questions you must answer but the defining question asked by your Tutors might be .Is their a market need for this application and by opening up the app store I think the answer is no .I wish you well with your project but I still dont think you will convince your Tutors of its viability .Once again read back over what you have written VOLUNTARY REPS this sounds more like a political aspiration than an application to put drivers and passengers in touch with each other . I put forward an alternative project Spare Plate Food App now that has a real social application putting food on your table and allowing people to earn an extra few coins .
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just put the negativity aside for a minute.
A student has roughly 9 months at 20 hours a week to give this a go.
Access to resources, mentors, consultants, creative people, business people, start up funding, grants and lots of creative tech, visual communications students who work cheap and want something on their CV.
[url]http://www.iadt.ie/courses/?type=undergraduate[/url] ([url]http://www.iadt.ie/courses/?type=undergraduate[/url])
[url]http://www.iadt.ie/courses/user-experience-design[/url] ([url]http://www.iadt.ie/courses/user-experience-design[/url])
On top of that, the college may allow access to a high tech creative hub with office space.
[url]http://www.mediacube.ie/[/url] ([url]http://www.mediacube.ie/[/url])
What is there to lose? embrace it, no cost just support, if it comes to no end, then at least it was tried.
Drivers for Drivers
Best of luck to you either way but "negativity" is a buzzword amongst people who can't see reality. Probably better ascribed to the nurse holding up the 50 forms she has to fill in before she can do a hand-over in San Vincenzos. A Pessimist looks down and never sees the falling branch......the Optimist looks up and misses the fucking cliff....the realist adapts to all obstacles coming at him...Walking Dead......And, yes I am a Zombie.. ;)
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The perfect taxi app is called Digitalis Erectus .It is usually between 5 and 8 inches long and afixxed to a multi directional telescopic modulation device sometimes it is fitted with a transponder which allows it to vibrate to draw attention to itself other older models come with a sonic boom to draw drivers attention .In some areas of the Capital the Digitalus Erectus comes with an aesthetically pleasing formation to attract the attention of drivers .While this is the most preferably hailing device it does vary in its operational intelligence as the OS can be variable based on the download of common sense needed to operate the Digitalis Erectus .
Digitalis Erectus training starts at an early age usually first infants in school where Digatalis Erectus in the default protocol for signalling that you are ready to answer a question or need to take a piss.In some of the lesser informed Digatali where the operator seems to think a small movement between pocket and hip is ample to broadcast a request for a service the bolder elevated digitalis gesticulating in a flicking upward downward motion is possible the best for yielding results .
In a recent survey carried out by the driver of a Scoda Octavia forged in the bowels of Hell .It was defined that sticking out your hand is still the best way to get a taxi in Dublin .
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App ordering is very popular with riders. Uber, for example, has 3.5 million riders in London alone.
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@ 'U Wha', you seem like a nice lad and I wish you the very best in getting your degree.
In theory what you are proposing makes perfect sense (but so does Communism),
but in real theory neither work at all, your paper on taxi driving is good and should be
good enough fer your lecturers/examiners to pass, but FFS don't ever even dare to
try and put it in to practice.
You cannot please an Irish taxi driver, a few examples;
We asked fer a Fare increase in 2014, we got it in 2015.
What happened ?
Everyone moaned/some staged protests because it benifited
the Dublin drivers more than the rural drivers.
We asked fer County stickers on our roofsigns, the NTA agreed.
What happened ?
All out total whinging about how we would be destitute by the cost
of these County stickers, (9Euro per pair online) !!
Door stickers were probably the greatest invention ever by the NTA
as it put a lot of part-time workers/civil servants out of the business
as they didn't want to be arriving at work with taxi door stickers on
their car, (the roofsign just clips on and off).
What happened ?
Again a total Whingefest about the 60 or 70Euro the door stickers cost,
totally ignoring the fact that they could now make an extra 100 per week !
Taxi drivers moaned fer years about the 2Euro No PUC with Hailo/Mytaxi.
Mytaxi gave it back to them in full.
What happened ?
They are started whinging about the 5 minutes free waiting time and the commission !
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@ 'U Wha', you seem like a nice lad and I wish you the very best in getting your degree.
In theory what you are proposing makes perfect sense (but so does Communism),
but in real theory neither work at all, your paper on taxi driving is good and should be
good enough fer your lecturers/examiners to pass, but FFS don't ever even dare to
try and put it in to practice.
You cannot please an Irish taxi driver, a few examples;
We asked fer a Fare increase in 2014, we got it in 2015.
What happened ?
Everyone moaned/some staged protests because it benifited
the Dublin drivers more than the rural drivers.
We asked fer County stickers on our roofsigns, the NTA agreed.
What happened ?
All out total whinging about how we would be destitute by the cost
of these County stickers, (9Euro per pair online) !!
Door stickers were probably the greatest invention ever by the NTA
as it put a lot of part-time workers/civil servants out of the business
as they didn't want to be arriving at work with taxi door stickers on
their car, (the roofsign just clips on and off).
What happened ?
Again a total Whingefest about the 60 or 70Euro the door stickers cost,
totally ignoring the fact that they could now make an extra 100 per week !
Taxi drivers moaned fer years about the 2Euro No PUC with Hailo/Mytaxi.
Mytaxi gave it back to them in full.
What happened ?
They are started whinging about the 5 minutes free waiting time and the commission !
Cheers for the feedback Belker. I will continue with it with no expectation other than it will help with my degree.
Funny thing is the most unexpected outcomes come from simple unexpected sources, so you never know.
I shall continue posting and accept whatever feedback that comes and let you all know the outcome one way or another.
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just put the negativity aside for a minute.
A student has roughly 9 months at 20 hours a week to give this a go.
Access to resources, mentors, consultants, creative people, business people, start up funding, grants and lots of creative tech, visual communications students who work cheap and want something on their CV.
[url]http://www.iadt.ie/courses/?type=undergraduate[/url] ([url]http://www.iadt.ie/courses/?type=undergraduate[/url])
[url]http://www.iadt.ie/courses/user-experience-design[/url] ([url]http://www.iadt.ie/courses/user-experience-design[/url])
On top of that, the college may allow access to a high tech creative hub with office space.
[url]http://www.mediacube.ie/[/url] ([url]http://www.mediacube.ie/[/url])
What is there to lose? embrace it, no cost just support, if it comes to no end, then at least it was tried.
Drivers for Drivers
Best of luck to you either way but "negativity" is a buzzword amongst people who can't see reality. Probably better ascribed to the nurse holding up the 50 forms she has to fill in before she can do a hand-over in San Vincenzos. A Pessimist looks down and never sees the falling branch......the Optimist looks up and misses the fucking cliff....the realist adapts to all obstacles coming at him...Walking Dead......And, yes I am a Zombie.. ;)
Thanks Lips
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From a driver`s perspective, the app need not make a profit, simply enough to cover operating costs and annual audit/revenue obligations. Efficient and secure cc charging and payment to driver in a timely fashion and set up with the Registrar of Friendly Societies.
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How about an app that destroys it's records every couple of months...I don't mean GPS locations but the other stuff we don't want.
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From a driver`s perspective, the app need not make a profit, simply enough to cover operating costs and annual audit/revenue obligations. Efficient and secure cc charging and payment to driver in a timely fashion and set up with the Registrar of Friendly Societies.
I agree, thanks for the feedback.
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How about an app that destroys it's records every couple of months...I don't mean GPS locations but the other stuff we don't want.
No reason why that couldn't happen if drivers wanted it. Maybe just the specific info relating to drivers, non driver specific stats may be useful for predicting trends in workflow year to year. This info could be made available to drivers. Thanks for the input Merc.
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From a driver`s perspective, the app need not make a profit, simply enough to cover operating costs and annual audit/revenue obligations. Efficient and secure cc charging and payment to driver in a timely fashion and set up with the Registrar of Friendly Societies.
How much would the CEO of such an app be paid annually ?
Taking in to consideration what charity CEO's are paid per year.
Or we could hire someone like John M as CEO on a Trummer
a week and see where that would get us !
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How about an app that destroys it's records every couple of months...I don't mean GPS locations but the other stuff we don't want.
No reason why that couldn't happen if drivers wanted it. Maybe just the specific info relating to drivers, non driver specific stats may be useful for predicting trends in workflow year to year. This info could be made available to drivers. Thanks for the input Merc.
There is a reason why this could Not happen, it's called 'Revenue' / 'Court orders for Disclosure'.
Once a court order is made fer Disclosure, then anyone or any company failing to comply is in 'Contempt of court',
if held in contempt of court then someone (prob the CEO) will be jailed until such time as the contempt of court is purged
and all relevant documentation is revealed to the Court/Revenue.
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To add, every company must keep a full record of all it's transactions fer some amount of years.
When I worked in a Bookies, it used to be fer 5 years, which was a proper pain in de hole keeping
every docket and every payout fer a full five years.
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Dunno Belker I don't see why these app companies need to keep records of everything.I doubt very much the cab companies are keeping records of the amount of jobs you did 5 years ago on Xmas Eve for example.
Maybe a cash only app with the option for drivers to use in car card facilities of they choose to.
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I mean 'REALLY' MFH ?
And you call John M a Spoofer ?
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I don't spoof Belker.What don't you believe?
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Whistle charges a fixed fee per job and doesn't record prices charged in respect of cash fares, if memory serves.
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I don't spoof Belker.What don't you believe?
It's called 'Company Law', I am not the best at it and maybe Bubba might know a whole lot more.
But in general companies must provide accounts to revenue. "Sorry, I deleted them all" will not wash.
5 or 10 years ago things were different when a base op with a notepad and a Two way radio was
about all the revenue could chase, and that would take some unravelling.
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Whistle charges a fixed fee per job and doesn't record prices charged in respect of cash fares, if memory serves.
There is still a job list of how many jobs each driver completes, if Joe completes 100 jobs per week on Whistle
and declares an income of 300Euro, then the revenue might get interested in him.
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Belker I remember company law from school and it has nothing to do with recording shifts,hours worked or value of jobs.Revenue only want to know how much tax they should pay on the freight.A record of jobs is all that's needed not the amount of sensitive data Mytaxi is keeping on drivers.
Don't forget Tim and his gang already offered the NTA detailed statistics on a plate in a recent lobbying submission I found online.They would hang drivers out to dry in a heartbeat if revenue came with a court order.Small taxi companies wouldn't be able to accumulate such detailed info even if they wanted to.I hate posting this stuff but the level of nativity amongst drivers around these apps is staggering.
There are gobshites out there who think revenue will believe they're only working the app and nothing else.
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I think we are now in agreement MFH.
I mentioned to my accountant last year that Hailo/Mytaxi had promised not to pass on any information to anyone.
She Laughed ! Loudly !!
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oops
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why complicate it with apps .Revenue only need to get the figures from sgs they take a reading which shows the ticket number every test .there must be a figure for the average fare multiply the number of jobs by the average fare you have a figure for average earnings If you are honest you have no problem.
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What ticket number?They only check the time.
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What ticket number?They only check the time.
do they ? the operator asks for a reciept there is more information on that ticket than the time .
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NCT take your mileage.
SGS print off one of your receipts.
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I think we are now in agreement MFH.
I mentioned to my accountant last year that Hailo/Mytaxi had promised not to pass on any information to anyone.
She Laughed ! Loudly !!
mytaxi has offered to share data with anyone in authority that wants it, the firm is extremely needy when it comes to pandering to the authorities. Regardless of that, it issues you with invoices which you are legally obliged to retain. Failure to do so could result in penalties. Of course, you also have shift reports produced by your meter. Obviously a Revenue Auditor would compliance test all of your records with cross checks included.
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NCT take your mileage.
SGS print off one of your receipts.
I print less than 20 receipts per year. The receipt number only increments when a receipt is printed with my equipment. Mileage is probably a better guide where a driver has failed, refused and neglected to keep proper records. Of course, the extrapolated figure ought to be subject to penalties in such cases.
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The app, regardless of it's legal structure or ownership would have to produce financial statements every year, which include a profit and loss account and a balance sheet. These Statements do not detail individual clients or customers. The financial statements are submitted with Annual Returns to Companies House, Revenue Commissioners, Bankers/lenders, Investors and shareholders. If further details are required by revenue an audit may be conducted which usually takes a snapshot or random extracts unless there is a serious investigation relating to the business and not the clients/customers.
There are data protection laws in place to protect how your details are managed and who has access to that information.
When a driver signs up they can be assigned a number, separate to the necessary vetting procedures drivers go through prior to joining. Figures and stats can be calculated/broken down by reference to a number and not
the drivers personal details. The information would still be there but not readily accessible. if the authorities really want it they will get it and as mentioned by other posters there are easier ways to get it, meters etc.
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Back to John's question about the meter ticket number,it means nothing as there could be more than one driver on a taxi.Only one person can log into a driver app at a time.I could if it was an issue put a different meter in the car every two years to avoid any unwanted risk.Wiping the slate clean if it suited my circumstances.Our current batch of apps keep everything for years and years.
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The erm got the erm end of the stick with receipt numbers, no doubt about that. However, regardless of how often one changes one's meter one still has the shift reports it produces, similar to a shopkeepers till reports.
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I'd probably just bribe the installer to wipe it if the revenue come looking for me.I dunno who at Mytaxi are taking bribes so that wouldn't be so easy.
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But what happened to the shift reports? The same thing could happen to your mytaxi invoices, I guess? Revenue can legally require you to obtain a list of accounts you hold with up to five banks within the State, beyond that they don't routinely access records from 3rd parties. If your records are lost or accidentally destroyed they would review the techniques employed by your accountant in dealing with incomplete records and apply penalties as deemed appropriate.
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I don't know anything about shift reports...but if the battery gets pulled I'm guessing they dissapear.Theres no hard drive in a taxi meter,is there?The apps keep stuff in the cloud where there's no battery for me to pull.
I'm the accountant(bad one at that) so I'll just have to see what happens.I'll just show them my old NCT certs with the low mileage.I have them still.But mileage could be altered too with a phone call so who knows what weight they carry.The only certainty is the app work and connected bank accounts from revenue's perspective.
This is why drivers get bored with the apps towards the end of the week.
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The shift reports are printed by your meter every time you end a shift, they're probably on a spike behind one of your exercise machines under a heap of clothes, most likely the spike beside the fuel receipt spike. Your mytaxi invoices are attached to emails so you probably save them in a folder on your PC/Macintosh called "mytaxi", with back up copies on USB sticks and various cloud drives to be sure to be sure.
However, if you're the sort of bloke that discards all receipts and purges his emails without saving anything you could be open to penalties in the event of audit. I believe there are several techniques for erasing the meter's memory and mytaxi's system only allows drivers access records for the previous six months. Obviously, Revenue will develop ratios to extrapolate meaningful data from payments received from mytaxi e.g. they might conclude that, in the absence of records showing the contrary, mytaxi accounts for 22% of your takings and 74% of mytaxi work is cash...
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These shift reports aren't easy on my meter.You need to press a load of buttons and say a prayer or something.Do yis all print them out?
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oops
Opps indeed ! lol
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These shift reports aren't easy on my meter.You need to press a load of buttons and say a prayer or something.Do yis all print them out?
After disposing of all the wasted paper that i'm paying for..ie receipts from almost every night that people don't want,i certainly won't be wasting anymore paper printing that shite out!!
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I can't believe you're paying for till rolls, Hal. Pop into the depot and pick some up. I got a lifetime supply when I went in, as well as a notebook, biro and cards for my cabby code!
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Very good RC....the least amount of interaction with the depot the better....i'd rather pay the €30 for a box of 50 till rolls tbh!!
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Yeah but the folks in the base thought it was a bribe..
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50 rolls... FFS, that'd last 12.5 lifetimes for me.
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Yeah but the folks in the base thought it was a bribe..
Not at all, they're available FOC to any driver and you can grab a cup of coffee... nice coffee at that, not your Boylesports crap!
Of course, the till rolls do have the mytaxi logo on the back.
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Last time I went in looking for a phone cradle Dermot looked at me like so was taking money from his pocket.I'll buy me own lunch and till rolls at least then I won't feel guilty when I'm calling them a bunch of cnuts.
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Phone hooks are all the rage these days, little ring that sticks to the back of your handset/spare case and slots nicely into the air vent. Had to get one myself the other day (well, the young lad had a spare one) as I left my cradle in a hire car in Spain. Fortunately my phone came with a free gel case that I had no use for until now.
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I'm gonna buy one of them hook yokes for the wife for Xmas.The daisy chain of paper clips she's using doesn't look great on the dashboard.
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The wife bought herself a phone cradle a while back because it was cheap....it actually looks great still in the box on the kitchen counter top!!
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Tried to contact John Boyle the Whistle Taxi App Promoter and Director of White Dove Taxis Ltd for research and to see what the motivation is behind the app, no response from either. Looks like the guy had the idea but didn't push it too much. Doesn't seem to have an active business or online presence for taxi services or taxi rental.
Found:
https://www.solocheck.ie/Irish-Director/Boyle/John/3742962259/ (https://www.solocheck.ie/Irish-Director/Boyle/John/3742962259/)
https://www.solocheck.ie/Irish-Company/White-Dove-Taxis-Limited-477443 (https://www.solocheck.ie/Irish-Company/White-Dove-Taxis-Limited-477443)
https://ie.linkedin.com/in/john-boyle-a9870bb3 (https://ie.linkedin.com/in/john-boyle-a9870bb3)
http://ie.placedigger.com/white-dove-taxis-limited1304719371.html (http://ie.placedigger.com/white-dove-taxis-limited1304719371.html)
http://www.whistletaxiapp.com/ (http://www.whistletaxiapp.com/)
All queries unresponsive so far
Anyone know if there is any activity?
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great name for the app by the way.
evokes images of cunts whistling at your car and expecting you to pick them up.
Is the app for cunts, by cunts or something.
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Tried to contact John Boyle the Whistle Taxi App Promoter and Director of White Dove Taxis Ltd for research and to see what the motivation is behind the app, no response from either. Looks like the guy had the idea but didn't push it too much. Doesn't seem to have an active business or online presence for taxi services or taxi rental.
Found:
[url]https://www.solocheck.ie/Irish-Director/Boyle/John/3742962259/[/url] ([url]https://www.solocheck.ie/Irish-Director/Boyle/John/3742962259/[/url])
[url]https://www.solocheck.ie/Irish-Company/White-Dove-Taxis-Limited-477443[/url] ([url]https://www.solocheck.ie/Irish-Company/White-Dove-Taxis-Limited-477443[/url])
[url]https://ie.linkedin.com/in/john-boyle-a9870bb3[/url] ([url]https://ie.linkedin.com/in/john-boyle-a9870bb3[/url])
[url]http://ie.placedigger.com/white-dove-taxis-limited1304719371.html[/url] ([url]http://ie.placedigger.com/white-dove-taxis-limited1304719371.html[/url])
[url]http://www.whistletaxiapp.com/[/url] ([url]http://www.whistletaxiapp.com/[/url])
All queries unresponsive so far
Anyone know if there is any activity?
Seen the stickers on a few bumpers.The problem he might have now is that the PUC is back.Drivers might not have the hunger for a new app as much.Maybe all the talk around Whistle prompted Mytaxi to change thier policy faster than they wanted.Fear of competition is a great motivator.The more apps the better.
I noted during a recent survey they sent me Mytaxi seemed interested to know whether I was working with Uber or other apps.
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I noted during a recent survey they sent me Mytaxi seemed interested to know whether I was working with Uber or other apps
@MFH,
I hope you replied YES to their question!!
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Yes Hal and I also said I worked 14 hours a day.7 days a week.
Some questions were like do you rent a gaff have a mortgage,own a gaff,kids/no kids, Single/married.Fukkers are trying to profile us.They can't control us without figuring out which boxes to put us in.
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Didn't get any such questionnaire....but then!!
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They're sending them out in waves....you'll get one in time unless your work patterns are consistent I'm guessing.
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The more apps the better.
Indeed. If it wasn't for the erm advising all potential entrants to the app market to invest elsewhere we'd have trousered a whole lot more. I understand that he got a decent wedge from Bill Cullen for his consultancy services but why he's providing others with the same service free of charge is beyond me.
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He's a gas character...telling entrepreneurs to stay away from a potentially lucrative taxi business while telling everyone else to invest in Uber that makes feck all in Ireland.
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I'd say Bill Cullen feels like a right fukkin eejit after giving him money for advice he gives everyone else FOC.
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I remember over on Roy's place posting something like... I hope that bleeding Cullen fella doesn't start trying to flog us any of them shite Sangyongs......the thread kinda died shortly afterwards.Probably another coincidence..
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Tried to contact John Boyle the Whistle Taxi App Promoter and Director of White Dove Taxis Ltd for research ...
All queries unresponsive so far
Maybe he's on his Autumn break.
I've heard nothing about it since someone posted a video on here a while back, the video suggested that drivers would be secretly invited to invest €50 at a later date, dunno if that ever happened.
All content has been removed from it's website (presumably under redevelopment):
http://www.whistletaxiapp.com (http://www.whistletaxiapp.com)
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I'd say if you did invest a bullseye....you can whistle for it!!
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Who do taxi drivers trust?
Rather than try to prove the merits of a taxi driver app to every driver, is there any person/organisation/association/body that drivers would trust.
If they were to confirm the merits, viability and credibility of the proposed app.
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If the merits/structure is clearly defined it'll be self-explanatory. The problem with Whistle is the same paranoia that the unions frequently suffer. Everything had to be secret so nobody could be given the facts because the competition might find out! Unfortunately without the facts I, for one, can't justify parting with hard earned.
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If the merits/structure is clearly defined it'll be self-explanatory. The problem with Whistle is the same paranoia that the unions frequently suffer. Everything had to be secret so nobody could be given the facts because the competition might find out! Unfortunately without the facts I, for one, can't justify parting with hard earned.
Thanks Rats, I sorta felt that way about it.
Hopefully I will deliver a clearly defined structure with merits as that is the key to the apps success.
Doesn't need to be secretive, if someone else wants to create a driver owned app then fair play, but I don't see that happening, if it does, I will join.
Don't think any of the existing apps will change their business model to driver owned and whistle appears to be all hush hush. Love to see what the whistle structure is.
Had a workshop in college with a business development mentor. They spoke about credibility and that it is easier to get were you need to be if you partner with a trusted organisation body, in fairness he was talking about the tech innovation space.
Innovation is introducing something new to what already exists. So the eircab app is tech and innovative as drivers would have ownership, that is something new! Gotta prove to taxi drivers that the Eircab app concept is credible.
From a legal structure point of view I was thinking that a PLC might be the way to go. Drivers can opt for 100% ownership from day one, but that would mean investing something.
This could be facilitated through Crowd funding were you have a target amount and/or minimum number of drivers to be committed by a certain date. The crowd funding organisation will hold the funds until the target is met, if the target is not met they return the funds less a small admin fee.
https://fundit.ie/info/about/ (https://fundit.ie/info/about/)
I will be learning about other funding options in college workshops over the next two weeks.
http://www.mediacube.ie/2017/10/start-up-bootcamp-at-the-media-cube/ (http://www.mediacube.ie/2017/10/start-up-bootcamp-at-the-media-cube/)
One of the workshops that I have already attended was facilitated by John McMahon, a Director with Enterprise Ireland and formerly of Forum 21 in the UK.
He explained that funding and investment people evaluate business proposals on a matrix (not a business plan or projections).
Based on what I have learnt so far the app idea would tick the boxes on the matrix if put together the right way.
One of the keys is route to market (getting the drivers on board).
https://www.enterprise-ireland.com/en/About-Us/Our-People/board/John-McMahon.html (https://www.enterprise-ireland.com/en/About-Us/Our-People/board/John-McMahon.html)
http://www.forum21.co.uk/johnmcmahon.htm (http://www.forum21.co.uk/johnmcmahon.htm)
When i mention funding or investors, I just want to clarify, these type of investors don't want to own the business, they want a quick turnaround and return on their money. So if the drivers don't want to fund it themselves then it is an option, all drivers have to do is join and support the app.
If drivers self fund 100% then happy days, no need for investors. It will only need enough funding (where ever it comes from) to get it to critical mass, then the commission will fund the business. Any profit will go back to drivers.
Eircab doesn't need to have mytaxi type budgets, if drivers leave mytaxi and join their own app, customers will use the app that has taxis available, wouldn't make sense for eircab app drivers to continue supporting mytaxi et al because the profits in Eircab belongs to the drivers.
Bye Bye Competition! Here comes... http://www.eircab.com/ (http://www.eircab.com/)
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Who do taxi drivers trust?
Rather than try to prove the merits of a taxi driver app to every driver, is there any person/organisation/association/body that drivers would trust.
If they were to confirm the merits, viability and credibility of the proposed app.
Taxi drivers trust no one and there is good reason fer that.
In our game everyone is out to make a wage, be it the sole trader taxi driver, the MPO, the taxi base or the multinational app company, the Bottom line with all of the above is to make a profit because if ya don't make a profit then you don't survive.
My own mate/colleague 'cut me dead' while attempting to U-turn on to a Cork taxi rank last Sunday night,
he got his fare ahead of me, Two students with food and drink in hand probably going to College road fer about 8Euro.
I got the next fare off the rank 'Whitegate' 65Euro !!
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The multinationals don't have a profit requirement. Market penetration is what interests them as they seek to secure a place in the future of the motor industry. The way things are developing is remarkably similar to the clever phone business. Cars will be likely to have intel inside (hum the jingle) with enhanced cooperation between manufacturers along the lines of the Open Handset Alliance which Google will manipulate until we're all being transported in Nexuseses.
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I have to use survey results for my college research module.
Please complete the taxi survey if you have time and it would be great if you asked one or two other taxi drivers to complete it to.
I need a minimum of 50 contributors, but the more that take the survey the better the results will be.
I will share the results on the forum when it is finished.
Thanks
https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/NBCN9JT (https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/NBCN9JT)
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Lads, For feck's sake, wake up and smell the coffee, and if you have already, what the fuck!
Business is good now, but no guarantees for tomorrow, economy, brexit, competition and technology that disrupts can change that at a whim.
None of us can guarantee we can make payments beyond a few months, how can you predict or plan for anything, no security.
Worse than that, there is a huge threat to our game hurtling down the track towards us, worse than taxi companies or apps dipping into your wallet, technology and robotics that will replace human drivers.
Are we all thinking we will retire before it happens, We may be taxi drivers for longer than we expect to be and the changes are upon us even at that.
But here we are La, La, Uber this and MyTaxi that, grovelling for the bonuses.
I would have more respect for slaves in a cotton field, at least they knew what they were.
John M and others with their huge philosophical and economical views.
Instead of ripping the shite out of everything, if you are that well informed, then get up off your arse's and make a difference, do youse want to go to the grave with the epitaph, "I got the last word and the best fare".
Are we that shallow and short sighted, I am alright jack? If we are, then maybe we deserve what is definitely coming for taxi drivers, Annihilation!
What are we going to do about it?
Their is an alternative! Secure your own future and livelihood and make a difference for taxi drivers.
eircab has the chance to allow drivers take control of their industry.
eircab is a word that expresses an ideal, like love or god, it describes something, it belongs to no one taxi driver, it belongs to every taxi driver.
I attend to it at the moment, we all own it.
www.eircab.ie (http://www.eircab.ie)
www.eircab.com (http://www.eircab.com)
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Lads, For feck's sake, wake up and smell the coffee, and if you have already, what the fuck!
Business is good now, but no guarantees for tomorrow, economy, brexit, competition and technology that disrupts can change that at a whim.
None of us can guarantee we can make payments beyond a few months, how can you predict or plan for anything, no security.
Worse than that, there is a huge threat to our game hurtling down the track towards us, worse than taxi companies or apps dipping into your wallet, technology and robotics that will replace human drivers.
Are we all thinking we will retire before it happens, We may be taxi drivers for longer than we expect to be and the changes are upon us even at that.
But here we are La, La, Uber this and MyTaxi that, grovelling for the bonuses.
I would have more respect for slaves in a cotton field, at least they knew what they were.
John M and others with their huge philosophical and economical views.
Instead of ripping the shite out of everything, if you are that well informed, then get up off your arse's and make a difference, do youse want to go to the grave with the epitaph, "I got the last word and the best fare".
Are we that shallow and short sighted, I am alright jack? If we are, then maybe we deserve what is definitely coming for taxi drivers, Annihilation!
What are we going to do about it?
Their is an alternative! Secure your own future and livelihood and make a difference for taxi drivers.
eircab has the chance to allow drivers take control of their industry.
eircab is a word that expresses an ideal, like love or god, it describes something, it belongs to no one taxi driver, it belongs to every taxi driver.
I attend to it at the moment, we all own it.
[url=http://www.eircab.ie]www.eircab.ie[/url] ([url]http://www.eircab.ie[/url])
[url=http://www.eircab.com]www.eircab.com[/url] ([url]http://www.eircab.com[/url])
Ffs ,
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Your even sounding like a taxi driver now.
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Lads, For feck's sake, wake up and smell the coffee, and if you have already, what the fuck!
Business is good now, but no guarantees for tomorrow, economy, brexit, competition and technology that disrupts can change that at a whim.
None of us can guarantee we can make payments beyond a few months, how can you predict or plan for anything, no security.
Worse than that, there is a huge threat to our game hurtling down the track towards us, worse than taxi companies or apps dipping into your wallet, technology and robotics that will replace human drivers.
Are we all thinking we will retire before it happens, We may be taxi drivers for longer than we expect to be and the changes are upon us even at that.
But here we are La, La, Uber this and MyTaxi that, grovelling for the bonuses.
I would have more respect for slaves in a cotton field, at least they knew what they were.
John M and others with their huge philosophical and economical views.
Instead of ripping the shite out of everything, if you are that well informed, then get up off your arse's and make a difference, do youse want to go to the grave with the epitaph, "I got the last word and the best fare".
Are we that shallow and short sighted, I am alright jack? If we are, then maybe we deserve what is definitely coming for taxi drivers, Annihilation!
What are we going to do about it?
Their is an alternative! Secure your own future and livelihood and make a difference for taxi drivers.
eircab has the chance to allow drivers take control of their industry.
eircab is a word that expresses an ideal, like love or god, it describes something, it belongs to no one taxi driver, it belongs to every taxi driver.
I attend to it at the moment, we all own it.
[url=http://www.eircab.ie]www.eircab.ie[/url] ([url]http://www.eircab.ie[/url])
[url=http://www.eircab.com]www.eircab.com[/url] ([url]http://www.eircab.com[/url])
I'm thinking this post was inspired by MMDA, maybe Ketamin, but defo something stronger than hash or alcohol.
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I'm thinking this post was inspired by MMDA, maybe Ketamin, but defo something stronger than hash or alcohol.
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Ha Ha unfortunately not, 2 cans of carlsberg with a chinese after work. Some of the drugs might have calmed me down. What got me wound up was a film I watched, the big short. That shit winds me right up. Banks and insurance companies get away with everything, while the ordinary joe pays for it.
I am genuinely worried at the pace of progress with the tech companies and car makers, don't know if there is enough time for drivers to get something going and make a difference.
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Defo MMDA !
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You can't halt progress. Technology has revolutionised many a trade and it will significantly impact ours in due course. If the objective is to obstruct the multinationals it's a futile exercise. If the objective is to partner with them it's hard to justify as long as mytaxi continues to work with drivers.
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I don't use any of the apps but from what I can see, they're all chasing market share by relying on price. Uber being the prime example by losing c. $900million every 3 months. The punters love getting something for nothing (or half nothing). The problems start when you try and raise prices. The customers will desert you to the next 'new app' will their lower prices.
Re autonomous taxis, I wonder. Why haven't planes and trains gone fully autonomous already? I know they're largely automatic already but they still have a meatsack sitting at the front of the vehicle. Planes & trains travel along pretty well-defined paths with little or no interference. There are trials with autonomous buses/taxis in various countries but they only travel along pre-defined, short circuits. Taxi drivers do a bit more than drive someone from A to B; we have to avoid all the cyclists, pedestrians, other cars etc to get the passenger there alive.
Also, a bit off-topic but why is there no autonomous spaceships/cars/vehicles etc in sci-fi movies like Star Trek etc?
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Indeed. Punters frequently tell me they used to love Hail0 (why wouldn't they, Hail0 showered them with $100,000,000) but they hate mytaxi. However, love it or hate it, they still use it! For the most part, Hail0 and Uber passengers are paying full fare in Dublin.
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You can't halt progress. Technology has revolutionised many a trade and it will significantly impact ours in due course. If the objective is to obstruct the multinationals it's a futile exercise. If the objective is to partner with them it's hard to justify as long as mytaxi continues to work with drivers.
Dug meself a hole here alright. Probably went too far with the vision. The point I was trying to make is if a driver owned app ever got legs and was successful in gaining market share then the driver app would have what the tech firms and car makers want. Data and access to a market where they can launch their innovations. At that point the driver app could negotiate a better deal for drivers. Anyway maybe thinking that far ahead would only be confusing. Keep it simple. I wont be there anyway, those policies will be decided by whatever board is elected. I don't want to run it. I just want to be involved in getting it going.
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I don't use any of the apps but from what I can see, they're all chasing market share by relying on price. Uber being the prime example by losing c. $900million every 3 months. The punters love getting something for nothing (or half nothing). The problems start when you try and raise prices. The customers will desert you to the next 'new app' will their lower prices.
Re autonomous taxis, I wonder. Why haven't planes and trains gone fully autonomous already? I know they're largely automatic already but they still have a meatsack sitting at the front of the vehicle. Planes & trains travel along pretty well-defined paths with little or no interference. There are trials with autonomous buses/taxis in various countries but they only travel along pre-defined, short circuits. Taxi drivers do a bit more than drive someone from A to B; we have to avoid all the cyclists, pedestrians, other cars etc to get the passenger there alive.
Also, a bit off-topic but why is there no autonomous spaceships/cars/vehicles etc in sci-fi movies like Star Trek etc?
On your first point, I absolutely agree, buying off punters has no long term gain, they will move like sheep. But!.. if the drivers are supporting their own app and neglecting the others, punters will migrate, follow to where they can get a taxi and the best possible customer experience (in a taxi), then who needs to be bought off, drivers are getting the work by supporting their own company, passengers have little choice, as that is where the drivers are available. Difference is drivers decide on their own destiny and not cow towing to commercial apps who will run them off as soon as the tech allows.
On your second point , it is fair comment, you may well be right. It may never happen, but then again it could. With the ever increasing rate of technological advances, the right business environment and supportive government policies, it could happen, in urban centres at least. The Taoiseach wants that for Ireland (as detailed in an earlier post). Forgetting all that, It may be too much forward thinking. Bringing it up at this stage may be unnecessary, premature and distract from the basic idea of promoting a driver owned app.
I Knew the contributors here would be helpful. Lesson learnt, keep it to the point.
off topic bit....
Ah! but in star trek the computer controls the ship, shuttle etc but needs voice commands. Watty you may have discovered the missing link to the tech, automation with human voice commands in the moment, not pre programmed non interactive algorithms. In the taxi case, the passenger gives the commands and taxi heads off with its programming based on the command, not that I ever watched star trek, just read it somewhere.
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Indeed. Punters frequently tell me they used to love Hail0 (why wouldn't they, Hail0 showered them with $100,000,000) but they hate mytaxi. However, love it or hate it, they still use it! For the most part, Hail0 and Uber passengers are paying full fare in Dublin.
You are right, buying people off, drivers or punters, is like the roman emperors giving bread to the mob in the arena, keeps them happy today.
Punters use it because it is a good idea, it generally works, if they are unhappy with any part of it, there is no where to go, no choice!
The traditional taxi company versions of a taxi app are not the same , they are hybrids, they don't really compete, just create the illusion that they do. it doesn't gain any loyalty.
Full fare is good, a driver owned app doesn't need to compromise on fares.
It needs to be the one stop shop, the only show in town, mind you it would help to give the punter a better experience especially as the drivers own it.
Drivers support their own app and neglect the other/s, then the others will wither away, especially if they are loss making as things stand today.
We as drivers have the chance to fuck them up and own our own industry, if only we could all see past what we need to earn today. Rest assured, if drivers maintain the mercenary mentality, which the game subliminally ingrains into all of us from the day we started in the trade, we will be dribbling and mumbling in the nursing home about the auld days when people drove taxis.
Re; the freebies and bonuses.. Absolutely take the free money.
Question is though why are MyTaxi throwing money away hand over fist, what is the end game?
Daimler aren't there for a wee profit from a taxi app, if it ever makes one!
Compared to their motor revenues, it isn't even chicken feed.
There is a higher purpose. what is it?
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The stated objective was to harvest data for Daimler. However, it's as clear as night follows day that it doesn't have the technical expertise to do anything useful with data and things have moved on insofar as Google seems to be taking the lead in the autonomous vehicle race. Google is, of course, doing what Google does i.e. inviting all the manufacturers into one pool that it can manipulate and dominate. Given that most of them already rely on Google APIs they're already harvesting data for Google regardless of any formal agreements so it would appear that resistance is futile.
Given that mytaxi's CEO has a background in the mobile phone industry he'll be aware of how Google moved that trade through various stages of manipulation starting with taking control of the Open Handset Alliance and progressing to launch the Nexus brand of hardware. Contracts for manufacturing Nexus devices were given to it's OHSA "partners" pretty much on a pat on the back basis. Maybe Daimler's thinking is that it might get to manufacture a Google car if it dominates a market (e.g. Europe) sufficiently to harvest volumes of data which Google deems to be significant.
Of course, the autonomous vehicle bit could all be a bottle of smoke, Google's real objective might just be to dominate the motor trade in it's current backward driver dependent form?
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The stated objective was to harvest data for Daimler. However, it's as clear as night follows day that it doesn't have the technical expertise to do anything useful with data and things have moved on insofar as Google seems to be taking the lead in the autonomous vehicle race. Google is, of course, doing what Google does i.e. inviting all the manufacturers into one pool that it can manipulate and dominate. Given that most of them already rely on Google APIs they're already harvesting data for Google regardless of any formal agreements so it would appear that resistance is futile.
Given that mytaxi's CEO has a background in the mobile phone industry he'll be aware of how Google moved that trade through various stages of manipulation starting with taking control of the Open Handset Alliance and progressing to launch the Nexus brand of hardware. Contracts for manufacturing Nexus devices were given to it's OHSA "partners" pretty much on a pat on the back basis. Maybe Daimler's thinking is that it might get to manufacture a Google car if it dominates a market (e.g. Europe) sufficiently to harvest volumes of data which Google deems to be significant.
Of course, the autonomous vehicle bit could all be a bottle of smoke, Google's real objective might just be to dominate the motor trade in it's current backward driver dependent form?
Fair play, you have done your research. Educated me anyway. It is definitely something that is going to change our lives one way or another.
Like I said, maybe I was thinking too far ahead, the important point is a driver owned app could take back control and be a market leader in the industry today and at least have a chance of holding its own in the future.
If we accept the status quo and do nothing, then we are subject to what ever happens without a say and shouldn't complain when it comes.
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U Wha....it's an illusion that people think they can change anything except themselves. The greatest trick we can perform on man is to let him believe has free-will......Josef Goebbels; Minister for Propaganda: Deutschland.
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U wha by the time you develop your app it will be obsolete .Uber will be obsolete and my taxi will be obsolete {Block Chain} is the future operated by Pay Pal or Stripe or whoever. The drivers will chase the customers not the other way round we will pay for access to work by having all the dispatch apps on a device Facial ID on board to confirm who we pick up so we cannot cheat then cashless payments with a commission going to the dispatcher for their service and a comission going to the Block Chain provider for taking payments .Why do you think My taxi are gobbling up pubs and clubs in Dublin the name of the game is work capture it will take time but if or when driverless cars come along then the motor suppliers will go into partnership with the app or customer bases .My taxi are aligned with Daimler .Volvo with UBER Toyota with LYFT at the moment .As soon if ever there are driverless cars then the vehicles will partner up with all the apps making sure the job goes to the nearest car to save on fuel and time with possible a fraction of your unaligned branded car /dispatch fare going to your app competitor .
Just stand back and look at the average Irish taxi driver He possibly pays Base then competes with his own base by running Mytaxi and UBER has a few regulars and sits on ranks and drives a loop looking for street hails .Block Chain tech will gather all of this togeather and the secret to it is CASHLESS .The main reason people like to use Mytaxi is card payments I also have Sum Up .Now in visage a system {Block Chain } there is a Camera on board that recognizes your face inputs your data into the taximeter and the meter starts to run and stops when you get out .This is the future for all types of public transport jump on jump off Bus /Luas .Dart /Boat /Plane the Block Chain system will then apply the fare and distribute it to the different service providers .
This is the future 5 or 10 years down the road your idea to develop a taxi app is 5 or ten years to late .I gave you two ideas for an app one was to provide food the other was to provide prostitutes both suggestions were serious Man or Woman will always need to eat and fuck .You can have food delivered to your gaff you can have a whore delivered to your gaff by app you can download a film to your gaff by app you can sit in a chair watch a football match or racing and have a bet on it by app .Soon people wont bother getting out of the womb the gynecologist will simply insert a device with all the apps you need to live comfortably .When I was a kid there were 12 bookies in Inchicore now there are 3 the small lads were swamped by Paddy Power and Boylesports they didnt grow by aquiring the others the others were to small to compete any taxi app you develop will meet the same fate .
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When the "intelligentsia" running the old taxi "business"(viable) refused to listen to the cunts doing the cosying, who said at least another thousand plates, maybe 2, or we will be run out of Dodge, it then became a "game". Every participant since then has been on death row...some fuckers don't have the smarts to know they paid for the noose long before Pierpoint came into the equation. MyTaxi and all its little altar boys and knaves remind me of a cow licking its own arse before the stunning.
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As I posted .The car firms sell a car for 27 grand the government get about 10 in tax and VRT the seller gets about 3 parts and labour another 7 or 8 so the profit to the maker is is about 7 grand .the car has a lifetime of 7 years so the benifit to the manufacturer is in real terms one thousand per year per vehicle if the car lasts ten years before renual then they probably still get another grand a year in replacement parts so over the lifetime of every vehicle sold they get a grand a year .
NOW FORWARD
Rideshare IF lets say Renault ?Mytaxi /Toyota ?Uber /Volvo /Damlier ?ADD WHOEVER were to say to me .Good morning mister Mc would you like to come in ant drink tea and eat biscuits in our nice modern office .Then they said Hello John we have an offer for you We would like to help you to help us to help the public .What we are offering is a new modern car ADD BRAND to be used in concert with our ridehailing partner ADD BRAND and the cost to you is only 180 euro per week and for an extra 20 euro per week you can buy a maintainance contract LIMITED LIABILITY .Now John how this works is for 200 a week we supply the modern vehicle with maintainance you then supply your SPSV licence we put the car in your name and you sign a leae rental agreement with us to help you offset the costs of the vehocle you can employ a cosy to work the vehicle when you are not on shift .Now there is also another dimension to this fabulous deal both you and your cozy will have access to our app ADD brand .Now on the face of it this is a win /win/win/win /win/
The car supplier gets 10 grand per year from the leasee over say 6 years is 60 grand .The car company borrows the purchase price from itself then offsets the capital allowances and the profits against the capital invested reducing their tax liabilities which contribute to profits .
The driver offsets some of the costs of the agreement by using a cozy probably trained by Mytaxi or some other dispatch app .
The dispatch app has an agreement with their parent company to supply taxi work to the car leasee so the parent company gets some extra money from every job covered .
The public win as there will only be the same amount of taxies so no increase in congestion but they will operate more prudently with the nearest car getting the job cutting down on congestion/emissions /and waiting times .
The government win as they did say they wanted every driver aligned to a dispatcher in the review and they will then have a better idea of demand and earnings .
The dispatchers win as they promote their brands collect all relevent journey time and costs at different times of day for when driverless cars come along .
The day of the independent taxi driver is fast coming to an end .The iconic yellow cab in NY or London Black Cab might survive just like the Guinness Horses they will become a tourist attraction .Im 57 I retire in 11 years and I dont think I will retire as an Independent taxi driver .Anybody want to do days ill do nights rofl rofl rofl
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As I posted .The car firms sell a car for 27 grand the government get about 10 in tax and VRT the seller gets about 3 parts and labour another 7 or 8 so the profit to the maker is is about 7 grand .the car has a lifetime of 7 years so the benifit to the manufacturer is in real terms one thousand per year per vehicle if the car lasts ten years before renual then they probably still get another grand a year in replacement parts so over the lifetime of every vehicle sold they get a grand a year .
NOW FORWARD
Rideshare IF lets say Renault ?Mytaxi /Toyota ?Uber /Volvo /Damlier ?ADD WHOEVER were to say to me .Good morning mister Mc would you like to come in ant drink tea and eat biscuits in our nice modern office .Then they said Hello John we have an offer for you We would like to help you to help us to help the public .What we are offering is a new modern car ADD BRAND to be used in concert with our ridehailing partner ADD BRAND and the cost to you is only 180 euro per week and for an extra 20 euro per week you can buy a maintainance contract LIMITED LIABILITY .Now John how this works is for 200 a week we supply the modern vehicle with maintainance you then supply your SPSV licence we put the car in your name and you sign a leae rental agreement with us to help you offset the costs of the vehocle you can employ a cosy to work the vehicle when you are not on shift .Now there is also another dimension to this fabulous deal both you and your cozy will have access to our app ADD brand .Now on the face of it this is a win /win/win/win /win/
The car supplier gets 10 grand per year from the leasee over say 6 years is 60 grand .The car company borrows the purchase price from itself then offsets the capital allowances and the profits against the capital invested reducing their tax liabilities which contribute to profits .
The driver offsets some of the costs of the agreement by using a cozy probably trained by Mytaxi or some other dispatch app .
The dispatch app has an agreement with their parent company to supply taxi work to the car leasee so the parent company gets some extra money from every job covered .
The public win as there will only be the same amount of taxies so no increase in congestion but they will operate more prudently with the nearest car getting the job cutting down on congestion/emissions /and waiting times .
The government win as they did say they wanted every driver aligned to a dispatcher in the review and they will then have a better idea of demand and earnings .
The dispatchers win as they promote their brands collect all relevent journey time and costs at different times of day for when driverless cars come along .
The day of the independent taxi driver is fast coming to an end .The iconic yellow cab in NY or London Black Cab might survive just like the Guinness Horses they will become a tourist attraction .Im 57 I retire in 11 years and I dont think I will retire as an Independent taxi driver .Anybody want to do days ill do nights rofl rofl rofl
Taking back the Alan Turing compliment mate....by the time you are 60 the retirement age will be 70. Any man or tranny under 50 now will never be able to retire s his/its fund has been spent already on our "forever" down-payment" to the ECB.
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It's gonna be great lads.We'll be out of jobs like the miners drinking all day.Mostly tea though.
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All that we are going to see is a corporate take over of the taxi industry worldwide we seem to look at it as just an Irish thing . We still have jobs helping to build the brand and the data bases for the app/motor companies until they refine driverless time frame probably 5 to ten years .Which is more notice than the girls in the civil service typing pool got e mail put them out of business the girl in the wages department was wiped out when they linked up the timeclock with an apple mac that done the wages Show bands were replaced with DJs I even read that some builder intends to deal with the shortage of houses by building a complex for young professionals where they will have their own rooms but have a shared communal living space when I were a lad that sort of complex was called a Jail I hoped that my taxi would provide a bit of extra income when I retired it would act like a pension now I know it wont unless I specialize by offering tours or WAT where you look after the passenger
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Jaysus ! Good to see the Prophets of Doom are alive and well on here !
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Jaysus ! Good to see the Prophets of Doom are alive and well on here !
you should know better ken you remember when there were thousands of independent bookies they cant compete paddy and boyles have it sewn up.this is just just the same free vouchere and work capture will shut the small bases then the big two or three apps will run the game .
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Our industry is alive and well, why forecast so much Doom and Gloom over it ?
The only sure thing on the horizon is a Fare Increase next Feb !
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you should know better ken you remember when there were thousands of independent bookies they cant compete paddy and boyles have it sewn up.this is just just the same free vouchere and work capture will shut the small bases then the big two or three apps will run the game .
Everything fell just right fer PP and Boyles at the time, Firstly the Recession hit, then they introduced "Guaranteed Odds", and then the Online game started to take off. The Three combined left the small independents with no chance at all.
The One Bookie that I do feel sorry fer is O Hallorans of Youghal whom were the very First to offer online odds and bets under the 'Luvbet' name, unfortunately they laid all the Sharks and Pro's and soon went under. But it was them that started the online game and ended up without a schilling to show fer it.
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I remember Luvbet... bet tax free when it wasn't' legal to do so, back in the days of dial up tinternet.
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All that we are going to see is a corporate take over of the taxi industry worldwide we seem to look at it as just an Irish thing . We still have jobs helping to build the brand and the data bases for the app/motor companies until they refine driverless time frame probably 5 to ten years .Which is more notice than the girls in the civil service typing pool got e mail put them out of business the girl in the wages department was wiped out when they linked up the timeclock with an apple mac that done the wages Show bands were replaced with DJs I even read that some builder intends to deal with the shortage of houses by building a complex for young professionals where they will have their own rooms but have a shared communal living space when I were a lad that sort of complex was called a Jail I hoped that my taxi would provide a bit of extra income when I retired it would act like a pension now I know it wont unless I specialize by offering tours or WAT where you look after the passenger
John, after reading your posts I think you are right!
I am going to take your advice and set up a hooker app, anyone know any hookers that want to join a hooker owned hooker app?
Nah only messing....
But your last few posts on this thread are very interesting. shows you have thought a lot about it and investigated it deeply yourself.
I had outlined the threat of tech and car makers in my previous posts. Your posts show that you have looked into this in a much deeper way.
The posts will give me a lot to think about and more stuff to investigate/research myself.
If what you predict comes to pass, then all the more reason to have an app that is owned by drivers, at least they would have a voice and they can be the ones that the tech firms and car-makers use instead of the leeching commercial apps.
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All that we are going to see is a corporate take over of the taxi industry worldwide we seem to look at it as just an Irish thing . We still have jobs helping to build the brand and the data bases for the app/motor companies until they refine driverless time frame probably 5 to ten years .Which is more notice than the girls in the civil service typing pool got e mail put them out of business the girl in the wages department was wiped out when they linked up the timeclock with an apple mac that done the wages Show bands were replaced with DJs I even read that some builder intends to deal with the shortage of houses by building a complex for young professionals where they will have their own rooms but have a shared communal living space when I were a lad that sort of complex was called a Jail I hoped that my taxi would provide a bit of extra income when I retired it would act like a pension now I know it wont unless I specialize by offering tours or WAT where you look after the passenger
John, after reading your posts I think you are right!
I am going to take your advice and set up a hooker app, anyone know any hookers that want to join a hooker owned hooker app?
Nah only messing....
But your last few posts on this thread are very interesting. shows you have thought a lot about it and investigated it deeply yourself.
I had outlined the threat of tech and car makers in my previous posts. Your posts show that you have looked into this in a much deeper way.
The posts will give me a lot to think about and more stuff to investigate/research myself.
If what you predict comes to pass, then all the more reason to have an app that is owned by drivers, at least they would have a voice and they can be the ones that the tech firms and car-makers use instead of the leeching commercial apps.
They are already big investors in the likes of LYFT.UBER /MYTAXI its all about economy of scale ,if you were really really successfull in Ireland you might have 500/600 drivers you just wouldnt be of any interest .look at the irish market .X pert ,NRC,LYNK,2000,MYTAXI ,UBER, and the small local firms .My taxi ,UBER .LYFT could buy up the others and shut them down and pay for them out of petty cash .Look at the link up between ridehail apps and car manufacturers to see where this is going its simple you cant be a taxi driver without a car ,you cant be a taxi without passengers .so if you can control the supply of taxi passengers you can bundle the offer you buy my car I give you access to my passengers ,must be millions of taxi drivers world wide thats a huge market ,taxies wear out quickly so it is a repeating market ,thats the short term but by building the brand and the data base if or when they develop self drive probably only really economically viable in urban areas they will drop the drivers while retaining drivers in rural or WATs .
BUT and its a BIG BUT how do you attract customers ?Why would a customer pick your brand over another ?Thats the BIG question without customers you have nothing .