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Public Area => Taxi Talk => Topic started by: john m on December 09, 2017, 03:50:11 pm

Title: Wav grants
Post by: john m on December 09, 2017, 03:50:11 pm
What are the rules do you need to apply before you buy the vehicle or can you apply retrospectively? I suppose the best way is to get pre approved just to be certain you will get it Anybody know for certain how it works ?
Title: Re: Wav grants
Post by: Rat Catcher on December 09, 2017, 04:00:32 pm
Anybody know for certain how it works ?
Yes.
Title: Re: Wav grants
Post by: john m on December 09, 2017, 04:01:38 pm
Anybody know for certain how it works ?
Yes.

will you enlighten the group please .
Title: Re: Wav grants
Post by: Rat Catcher on December 09, 2017, 04:04:46 pm
I didn't say I know. I merely answered your question. Try NTA or Watty, Watty usually knows regulatory stuff like that.
Title: Re: Wav grants
Post by: watty on December 09, 2017, 06:02:20 pm
I didn't say I know. I merely answered your question. Try NTA or Watty, Watty usually knows regulatory stuff like that.
I don't know shit about WAV grants except there are none at the moment.  I decided a long time ago not to worry about things that don't affect me.

But I can read websites... https://www.nationaltransport.ie/taxi-and-bus-licensing/taxi/spsv-vehicle-licensing-2/apply-for-a-vehicle-licence/ (https://www.nationaltransport.ie/taxi-and-bus-licensing/taxi/spsv-vehicle-licensing-2/apply-for-a-vehicle-licence/)

1. send them money and form VL1
2.
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If your application is approved, the Authority sends you a Conditional Offer letter, which specifies a five-digit provisional licence number. For taxis and wheelchair accessible taxis, this number is required for programming the taximeter and purchasing the matching roof sign and taxi branding. The Conditional Offer is valid for 90 days, during which you must complete the other steps in the licensing process.

Note: The Conditional Offer is not a licence to operate the vehicle as an SPSV.

The next steps are to:

    Ensure that your vehicle meets all the requirements for operation as an SPSV,
    Make sure that you have all the required documentation, and
    Book the vehicle’s Initial Suitability Inspection.
Title: Re: Wav grants
Post by: john m on December 09, 2017, 06:33:18 pm
I didn't say I know. I merely answered your question. Try NTA or Watty, Watty usually knows regulatory stuff like that.
I don't know shit about WAV grants except there are none at the moment.  I decided a long time ago not to worry about things that don't affect me.

But I can read websites... https://www.nationaltransport.ie/taxi-and-bus-licensing/taxi/spsv-vehicle-licensing-2/apply-for-a-vehicle-licence/ (https://www.nationaltransport.ie/taxi-and-bus-licensing/taxi/spsv-vehicle-licensing-2/apply-for-a-vehicle-licence/)

1. send them money and form VL1
2.
Quote
If your application is approved, the Authority sends you a Conditional Offer letter, which specifies a five-digit provisional licence number. For taxis and wheelchair accessible taxis, this number is required for programming the taximeter and purchasing the matching roof sign and taxi branding. The Conditional Offer is valid for 90 days, during which you must complete the other steps in the licensing process.

Note: The Conditional Offer is not a licence to operate the vehicle as an SPSV.

The next steps are to:

    Ensure that your vehicle meets all the requirements for operation as an SPSV,
    Make sure that you have all the required documentation, and
    Book the vehicle’s Initial Suitability Inspection.

Thank you Watty one of our members pm me I was just making sure I gave the correct answer .
Title: Re: Wav grants
Post by: Theoneandonly on December 09, 2017, 06:57:59 pm
has this been discussed yet?
Hybrid grant seems far more attractive than a WAT grant?
http://www.dttas.ie/press-releases/2017/electric-spsv-grant-scheme (http://www.dttas.ie/press-releases/2017/electric-spsv-grant-scheme)
Title: Re: Wav grants
Post by: Rat Catcher on December 10, 2017, 04:55:59 am
The Hybrid scheme was mentioned in the Member's Lounge:

http://intaxi.org/forum/index.php?topic=8336.0 (http://intaxi.org/forum/index.php?topic=8336.0)

I think the main question with the WAV grants is whether you are awarded/paid the grant before you buy the motor. Next year's grant scheme has been announced, as reported in the latest issue of Industry Update:

https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/SPSV_Industry_Update_Issue_39.pdf (https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/SPSV_Industry_Update_Issue_39.pdf)

Quote:
WAV18 Terms and Conditions, together with all other documentation, will be available on NTA’s website on 01 February 2018.
Title: Re: Wav grants
Post by: watty on December 10, 2017, 06:01:11 pm
From what I posted a few posts back, it sounds like you buy the WAV first, get a conditional offer from the NTA, get it kitted out and only then go for the initial suitability to make it an official taxi.

I don't think you can just post in a brochure from the showroom and get a cheque in return!




I have a *very vague* memory from the old site that some ran into bother importing vans from the UK but ran into trouble getting them certifiied by an Irish engineer/mechanic.  The Irish engineer wouldn't verify another man's work (or something like that).  I could be wrong!

Title: Re: Wav grants
Post by: U Wha on December 10, 2017, 08:01:13 pm
Based on application I made last year.

Apply for approval,  there was a maximum number of applications. Current tax clearance is a.requirement.

Anyone after that went onto a waiting list. As many applicants dont follow through.

You will receive provisional approval by letter & information on how to progress the grant application. Which is same as getting to your conditional offer. Vehicle inspected and approved as a WAT by engineers. go through whole process to getting suitablity completed and grant paid within 6 to 8 weeks afterwards.

The mobility car sales company. Freedom mobility I think over in the west of Ireland will accept your offer letter as deposit. They have a deal with NTA that grants are paid directly to them. Guy said he arrange finance for balance if you have 6 months clean healthy looking bank statements.
Title: Re: Wav grants
Post by: U Wha on December 10, 2017, 08:19:52 pm
If.you shop around on UK car sites you.can find 2010 to 2011 peugeot partners for around £3k to £4k.and with VRT and currency conversion get it on road here for about €5500 to €6500. Then add usual NTA fees for vehicle licence etc.
That would qualify you for minimum €2.5k WAT grant.

You would need to up the year to 2012 minimum in 2018 as the oldest age for WAT minimum grant of.€2.5k is six years old.
Title: Re: Wav grants
Post by: The Liffey Lip on December 11, 2017, 11:21:16 am
From what I posted a few posts back, it sounds like you buy the WAV first, get a conditional offer from the NTA, get it kitted out and only then go for the initial suitability to make it an official taxi.

I don't think you can just post in a brochure from the showroom and get a cheque in return!




I have a *very vague* memory from the old site that some ran into bother importing vans from the UK but ran into trouble getting them certifiied by an Irish engineer/mechanic.  The Irish engineer wouldn't verify another man's work (or something like that).  I could be wrong!

Correct. Same way you have to fork out for home improvement grants before they recompense you. The engineer report thing cause murder though as the taxis passed out for WAT work in Norn Iron were not deemed acceptable by "one" engineer. Their listings might not be definitive...Irish enough?
Title: Re: Wav grants
Post by: Rat Catcher on December 11, 2017, 01:26:34 pm
I thought they eliminated the engineers' cartel by imposing the European M1 specification i.e. M1 is M1 all over Europe?

There seems to be an influx of clapped out Peugeot Partners (and clones thereof) from the UK, the Ebbseseses alone are rumoured to have 56,793 of them in a parking lot waiting to join the dozen odd that they've plated to date.
Title: Re: Wav grants
Post by: The Liffey Lip on December 11, 2017, 01:29:22 pm
They have now regarding the mini-WAVS. The initial issue was exclusively real-WAT based. Peugeot Experts from Antrim were rejected as suitable because the definitive list did not exist definitively. Grants are hardly available for Berlingos and Partners?
Title: Re: Wav grants
Post by: Rat Catcher on December 11, 2017, 01:34:02 pm
Grants are available for all WATs including the Partner and it's clones subject to the limits set out within the relevant documentation. The vast majority of WATs licensed these days are clapped out Partners imported from the UK so they must be acceptable from an engineering perspective.
Title: Re: Wav grants
Post by: The Liffey Lip on December 11, 2017, 01:38:33 pm
Well that's a mystery considering a yr old Expert or Vito costs more than 2 new Partners. Logistical masturbation is rife in the NTA. Amendment...almost more. A 9 seater Vito is more like it.
Title: Re: Wav grants
Post by: Rat Catcher on December 11, 2017, 01:44:39 pm
That's why the new new new new new standard was introduced. The previous new new new new standard was considered to be too restrictive as qualifying vehicles were expensive. The existence of a vibrant second hand market, on the mainland, in vehicles that comply with the current new new new new new standard was given as key in justifying the introduction of said new new new new new standard
Title: Re: Wav grants
Post by: The Liffey Lip on December 11, 2017, 01:45:52 pm
Right, Niall Tóibín was right about us shower.
Title: Re: Wav grants
Post by: Rat Catcher on December 11, 2017, 01:50:52 pm
To be fair, WAT numbers are steadily increasing since the clapped out Partner (and clones) were deemed acceptable... so I guess the policy is working.