Irish Taxi Forum
Public Area => Taxi Talk => Topic started by: john m on December 28, 2017, 01:32:11 pm
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Junior minister for transport and down the country stuff says ....Regarding a rural-based Uber-like system, Mr Griffin said: “We need to start thinking outside the box in terms of rural Ireland. We are never going to be able to afford the type of transport network in rural Ireland that we have in Dawson St or O’Connell St in Dublin or anywhere else like that.
“What we do need to do is to start embracing technology, we need to look at the likes of Uber, we need to start empowering local communities to help each other,” he said.
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Didn't you say that Uber has to disregard any ambitions to launch UberPop on foot of recent EU legislation defining it as a transport firm and apparently banning transport firms from lobbying for rideshare type services. I thought it was going to relaunch UberTaxi with the support of taxi drivers led by your good self?
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Dont be a prick .UBER will without my help go after the Irish taxi market once again as Mytaxi have imploded it is rubbish and has lost the confidence of the customers .I waited 30 minutes to cover a pre book to get priority as it was offered with the job but never got it .Brendan Griffin TD is the junior minister for transport he has always favoured some kind of rideshare or community involvement to solve rural transport shortages .I did not say anything about UBER pop but im sure Rural hacks may consider operating the UBER or My taxi app if the minister says they are only availing of new dynamic teck that he intends to legislate for in accordance with recent ECJ rulings .The ECJ ruling has opened up the door for new legislation if the minister sees fit to use it as an excuse for change .Griffin is from Healy Wray country and will try to win browny points just in case there is an election ,Rural travellers will welcome any type of transport and that will be rewarded at the ballot box .
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The minister you quote says he tried a scheme already and it didn't work. Insurance (and breaking the law) killed it off.
https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Guide_for_obtaining_a_local_area_hackney_licence1.pdf (https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Guide_for_obtaining_a_local_area_hackney_licence1.pdf)
€70 & a car will get you a local area hackney licence already.
If there really was demand for people in rural areas to drive drunks home at midnight, then people would pay that €70 and make their fortune!
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Its silly season for politicians they have to grab newspaper inches .As you say if there was demand then the locals would do it as long as they can get insured .if the Minister licences the drivers then Im sure the insurance will be available .I still wonder why Mytaxi are training drivers to drive taxies that are not available ?
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Reports on here suggest that you can put a miniWAT on the road for less than 10k. Given that men had to pay over 6k for the plate alone after entry liberalisation the cost of entry is now lower than ever with an infinite number of licences available.
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Softbank just completed the purchase of 15% of UBER and it will be floated on the NYSE before the end of 2018 .We night see some bobo dollars in their drive to sign up drivers and customers .
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Has Softbank got a particular interest in Ireland? Uber's interest here only extends to serving it's international client base.
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If they go to market in 2018 they will be priced on the amount of drivers and passengers they have signed up .The ECJ thing has given them direction in Europe where they can only use licenced service providers that is a huge market with taxies .limos and hacks .Cant see them not trowing coin at both drivers and passengers .
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They only ever used licensed service providers in Ireland and in the rest of Europe save in jurisdictions that don't licence service providers. Does the ECJ require Govt to licence service providers and, if so, under what terms?
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They only ever used licensed service providers in Ireland and in the rest of Europe save in jurisdictions that don't licence service providers. Does the ECJ require Govt to licence service providers and, if so, under what terms?
No Rodent the government are not required to licence UBER but I wouldnt be surprised to see their app being allowed to operate as a dispatcher in Rural hacks and hacks .At the moment there seems to be a grey area as hacks are prebooked .This might be what Minister has in mind to allow hacks and rural hacks use a hailing app .This would allow existing taxi drivers possibly surrender their taxi plate to be able to say there is demand for a rural hack then continue to provide a service without the cost of SGS and meter resets and possibly no 9 year rule .If he can reduce the cost of providing a ruralservice more drivers might come into the industry down the country .He did say UBER type services so Mytaxi and others can play .
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Govt has already licensed Uber via NTA. I would be obliged if the honourable gentleman for Clondalkin and District would answer the fukking question I asked. Does the ECJ require Govt to licence service providers and, if so, under what terms?
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Govt has already licensed Uber via NTA. I would be obliged if the honourable gentleman for Clondalkin and District would answer the fukking question I asked. Does the ECJ require Govt to licence service providers and, if so, under what terms?
Did Santy not bring you reading Glassed .
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You say the ECJ requires Uber to do what it has always done i.e. use licensed service providers. How does it define licensed service providers? Does it preclude Govt from determining that anyone with a driving licence is sufficiently licensed? What I'm trying to find out is what difference the ECJ saying that Uber can only do what it has always done makes, if any.
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You say the ECJ requires Uber to do what it has always done i.e. use licensed service providers. How does it define licensed service providers? Does it preclude Govt from determining that anyone with a driving licence is sufficiently licensed? What I'm trying to find out is what difference the ECJ saying that Uber can only do what it has always done makes, if any.
They must adhere to all LOCAL rules .Those rules are made up by National authorities .Which is why I opined that hacks or Ruralhacks might be allowed use their app to gain work.Im sure UBER have more than one app one for licenced taxies who use their own meter and one for uber pop .National authorities can introduce any rules they like If you read what the Junior Transport Minister says he likes the idea of using tech to solve rura ltransport availability .How do Mytaxi calculate hack or Limo fares ?
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They must adhere to all LOCAL rules .
Whereas before the ruling that had to adhere to all local rules and did.... I see!
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They did and do adhere to all local rules but drivers preferred to subsidie Mytaxi to compete against UBER by offering no PUC Free waiting time for a substandard app but that was their choice .Even with all this subsidy Hailo/Mytaxi still offer drivers bobo to work for them .
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To be fair, mytaxi's app is getting better. The new in app navigation and destinations on a lot more job offers has improved it considerably and we get PUC, not to mention the biggest and best bonuses in the business. If/when they sort out the mickey mouse fare entry process I'll be almost happy.
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Kallanick just sold 50% of his shares for 1.4 billion Dollars .Not bad for a company you all said was worthless.
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Kallanick just sold 50% of his shares for 1.4 billion Dollars .Not bad for a company you all said was worthless.
Further proof if it were needed, there is no God.
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UBER will without my help go after the Irish taxi market once again as Mytaxi have imploded it is rubbish and has lost the confidence of the customers .I waited 30 minutes to cover a pre book to get priority as it was offered with the job but never got it .Brendan Griffin TD is the junior minister for transport he has always favoured some kind of rideshare or community involvement to solve rural transport shortages .I did not say anything about UBER pop but im sure Rural hacks may consider operating the UBER or My taxi app if the minister says they are only availing of new dynamic teck that he intends to legislate for in accordance with recent ECJ rulings .The ECJ ruling has opened up the door for new legislation if the minister sees fit to use it as an excuse for change .Griffin is from Healy Wray country and will try to win browny points just in case there is an election ,Rural travellers will welcome any type of transport and that will be rewarded at the ballot box .
That's the biggest load of Bollicks I've heard in a long time.
I'll have my bet of an Even Deuce again with the same T & C's as before fer 2018,
I'll even Throw in Jan and Feb 2019 as a 'Gimme' !
Are We on ?
Offer available up till 10th Jan 2017.
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UBER will without my help go after the Irish taxi market once again as Mytaxi have imploded it is rubbish and has lost the confidence of the customers .I waited 30 minutes to cover a pre book to get priority as it was offered with the job but never got it .Brendan Griffin TD is the junior minister for transport he has always favoured some kind of rideshare or community involvement to solve rural transport shortages .I did not say anything about UBER pop but im sure Rural hacks may consider operating the UBER or My taxi app if the minister says they are only availing of new dynamic teck that he intends to legislate for in accordance with recent ECJ rulings .The ECJ ruling has opened up the door for new legislation if the minister sees fit to use it as an excuse for change .Griffin is from Healy Wray country and will try to win browny points just in case there is an election ,Rural travellers will welcome any type of transport and that will be rewarded at the ballot box .
That's the biggest load of Bollicks I've heard in a long time.
I'll have my bet of an Even Deuce again with the same T & C's as before fer 2018,
I'll even Throw in Jan and Feb 2019 as a 'Gimme' !
Are We on ?
Offer available up till 10th Jan 2017.
Thanks Ken for the offer but couldnt take the bet as I couldnd be sure of how long before it happens but the junior minister has said he is in favour of tech .One of the downsides of the rural hack system is the booking system as legally hacks have to be pre booked .If the minister changes the rule to allow them use apps for bookings then UBER/Mytaxi will promote their services among rural hacks and encourage more people to hack up their family motor .The down side then is people renting taxies to work the backwoods might go hack and those rentals make their way onto the big city streets and this would then solve the suggested lack of taxies in Urban areas .It makes sense for a change in the rules to allow hacks use real time non prebooking apps as it would solve both rural and urban transport shortages at least on paper .It only took Minister Griffin two days after the ECJ final judgement to come out in favour of tech to solve rural transport shortages .I had expected the ECJ to rule in March if they did I might of actually won our wager .Keep an eye on Griffin he has made absolutely no impact as a junior minister this might become his issue .
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The rules allow them to accept bookings via app... an app runs on a telephone. The use of virtual meters to calculate the fare is, perhaps, a grey area as hackneys are supposed to quote the fare in advance. However, NTA seems to support the view that quoting the basis of calculation is sufficient. That concurs with a court ruling in London on foot of a challenge by taxi drivers operating with the same regulation as is applicable here i.e. only a licensed taxi may use a taximeter.
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The rules allow them to accept bookings via app... an app runs on a telephone. The use of virtual meters to calculate the fare is, perhaps, a grey area as hackneys are supposed to quote the fare in advance. However, NTA seems to support the view that quoting the basis of calculation is sufficient. That concurs with a court ruling in London on foot of a challenge by taxi drivers operating with the same regulation as is applicable here i.e. only a licensed taxi may use a taximeter.
So using an app to calculate the distance then using a hack farecard would most probably be ok?
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Did Leo when he was transport minister not say apps were not a telephonic device as they needed internet connection to operate which is why we can tap our phone .There might be a grey area concerning Hacks availing of Apps to secure work in real time ?
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Yes, as would using an app to calculate the fare provided the basis of calculation can be quoted in advance on request. That's how mytaxi's hackneys work here and how Uber's minicabs work in London.
No, taxis, hackneys and limousines are allowed to use apps to accept bookings. The law was not changed to allow any drivers interact with their telephones while driving. Under current legislation you could use a device that isn't capable of making or receiving a telephone call and argue that, as such, it is not a telephone if prosecuted for using it while driving.
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There must be a business in creating a PPJ or monthly rental fee for an app that puts hacks only in touch with customers .Guinness or the Vintners could pay to set it up for rural gargalers .
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mytaxi does that... almost nationwide.
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If Mytaxi went totally nationwide it would solve a lot of problems.
Are Rural hacks allowed to use Mytaxi ?
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I think Local Area Hackneys are restricted to picking up from a small area... not that it matters, there's only a handful in the whole country.
If politicians realised that our culture has changed somewhat it might solve a lot of perceived problems. Men no longer feel a need to subject their bodies to copious quantities of alcohol in public houses every night of the week before driving 25 miles to find a suitable stick for to beat the woman with. Maybe put some thought into community cafes or social clubs that don't sell alcohol? Our Govt seems obsessed with encouraging and facilitating alcohol consumption while our hospitals can't cope with normal non-alcohol related demand. Isn't it just mad, Ted?
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If politicians realised that our culture has changed somewhat it might solve a lot of perceived problems. Men no longer feel a need to subject their bodies to copious quantities of alcohol in public houses every night of the week before driving 25 miles to find a suitable stick for to beat the woman with. Maybe put some thought into community cafes or social clubs that don't sell alcohol? Our Govt seems obsessed with encouraging and facilitating alcohol consumption while our hospitals can't cope with normal non-alcohol related demand. Isn't it just mad, Ted?
It is Dougal, but that's the way things are here, we were reared to drink until the shutters came down and only when the shutters came down was it time to Stop !
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and only when the shutters came down was it time to Stop !
Bollox to that. If you order 4 pints at last orders, closing the shutters didn't mean time to stop, it only meant no more could be purchased