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Title: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Rat Catcher on February 20, 2018, 06:38:43 pm
Rumoured to be close to completion.
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: john m on February 20, 2018, 07:34:47 pm
Rumoured to be close to completion.

Old news
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Bob Shillin on February 20, 2018, 09:38:01 pm
See MT now offering online training to pass PSV test. Ads on "hundreds of buses". Time to reduce my level of cooperation.
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Rat Catcher on February 21, 2018, 12:35:19 am
Old news

When did it complete?
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Billy boy on February 21, 2018, 01:24:09 pm
Is this a sign of things to come? Don't think there is any cab company doing well at the moment. Cab 2000 dropped their fright to €89. Things must be bad if Mr Kelly did that.
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Shallowhal on February 21, 2018, 02:13:35 pm
Is this a sign of things to come? Don't think there is any cab company doing well at the moment. Cab 2000 dropped their fright to €89. Things must be bad if Mr Kelly did that.

That's a euro cheaper than when i left in 2010!
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Wingnut on February 21, 2018, 03:13:53 pm
I wouldn't imagine he has the 400 cars that he had in 2010 either.
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Shallowhal on February 21, 2018, 03:57:31 pm
I wouldn't imagine he has the 400 cars that he had in 2010 either.

Probably not,i did a back of the beer mat calculation at the time,i reckoned he was taking in around 1.8 mill in driver fees per year at the time,i'd say his biggest outlay was rent on the base,i don't think staff were paid any huge amounts,
I wonder do the drivers still contribute to the staff bonus at Christmas?
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Wingnut on February 21, 2018, 07:28:33 pm
I don't think they do contribute to the bonus anymore but at the same time they are not permitted to take time off for the 2 weeks of xmas as far as I know.
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Vikkiz on February 21, 2018, 07:34:44 pm
He increased the freight to 100 when they had the chip and pin machines. They don't have then anymore so no need to charge drivers for something they ain't got
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Shallowhal on February 21, 2018, 07:39:36 pm
I don't think they do contribute to the bonus anymore but at the same time they are not permitted to take time off for the 2 weeks of xmas as far as I know.

Too many rules for a self employed person tbh...and paying for the privilege!!
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Wingnut on February 21, 2018, 07:50:28 pm
Exactly, that's why the PPJ app's are doing so well. No way could I go back to wearing a uniform and jumping through hoops again.
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Belker on March 01, 2018, 02:15:04 pm
I was chatting to a Cobh driver a few weeks ago during re-programming, he told me his base fee was 140Euro per week, and then he added on that the base fee in Midleton was 170Euro per week !
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 01, 2018, 02:36:32 pm
Mad money, they should tell their customers to use mytaxi, Flag or Whistle.
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Shallowhal on March 01, 2018, 02:43:13 pm
I was chatting to a Cobh driver a few weeks ago during re-programming, he told me his base fee was 140Euro per week, and then he added on that the base fee in Midleton was 170Euro per week !

Self employed...workin for the man!!
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Belker on March 01, 2018, 02:48:51 pm
Mad money, they should tell their customers to use mytaxi, Flag or Whistle.

Indeed 'Mad Money' and most of it is around town at a fixed Fiver rate !
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: silverbullet on March 01, 2018, 08:13:42 pm
Consolidation, before the implosion.

Drivers are not stupid ( Well, some are not ) paying freight is SO 2000.

None of those so called companies can match the financial might of DAIMLER.

Were it not for the patronage of Government contracts, they'd be gone by now.

I'd like to se COQ AU VIN back in an 8 seater!! 8)
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: dalymount on March 02, 2018, 09:52:19 am
why do you allow these companies to tell you what to do ? they are the employees, not you.
i could not believe in an earlier part of the thread where I read that the would not allow to take time of on the run up to christmas.
i actually thought the poster was joking.

do you not realise you can operate in the industry without them,  but THEY cannot operate without you 
so my question is why do you allow them to run your lives like this.

is it that some drivers were to long in the PAYE sector and like the feeling of being told what to do ? or is it that you actually believe these people are your employers ?@
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 02, 2018, 09:55:43 am
I could operate without them but I'd have to change the way I work. I work the Northside suburbs because that's what I enjoy. If I didn't work for mytaxi I'd have to join the blaxis fighting for work up above in the city.
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: dalymount on March 02, 2018, 10:18:04 am
yeah I can understand a driver working with mytaxi, but I don't understand why any driver would want to align himself with a radio company who treats you like you are an employee.
telling drivers what to wear, how much to charge, disciplining drivers for giving back heavily discounted work, actually having to seek permission to take time off etc etc it's quite unbelievable that drivers would allow themselves to be in this position.
still it's their choice I guess
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 02, 2018, 10:30:31 am
Not much discounting these days. I used to work for Cab 2000 back when I was full-time. To be fair to Anthony, the hourly freight was less than I currently pay mytaxi and there was no hospitality fee or other discounts. All bribes to hotels, etc were paid by the company. As I'm sure you're aware, with mytaxi I would have to pay an extra €2 freight for every hotel job, most pub jobs and some car hire return shed jobs... and we got a free uniform without having to become "ambassadors" with logos sprawled all over the motor... so I can say, back when I wore a younger man's (Anthony's) clothes!
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: dalymount on March 02, 2018, 10:43:10 am
ah Godbe with the days there were no apps, or radio company's , and punters had to come out of their homes to jail a cab.a level playing field then
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 02, 2018, 10:47:05 am
Indeed, the only problem being that folk didn't use taxis much. Until Blue Cabs and NRC came along most of the work was from hotels and transport terminals. Hailing a cab only gained popularity when roof signs were introduced in the 70s... even at that we were well into the 80s before a taxi culture developed with men hailing cabs to go down the local and women getting cabs from shopping centres instead of walking, etc..
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: dalymount on March 02, 2018, 10:54:28 am
still taxi use is poplar now , rugby matches, soccer matches, concerts, RDS events , etc etc
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 02, 2018, 10:56:45 am
The kids of today don't know they're born... some wouldn't know what a bus is, never mind walk or cycle...
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Korky on March 02, 2018, 12:25:43 pm
I was chatting to a Cobh driver a few weeks ago during re-programming, he told me his base fee was 140Euro per week, and then he added on that the base fee in Midleton was 170Euro per week !
And I doubt either of those bases allow full fare, both are €5 for all local jobs... waste of time
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Belker on March 02, 2018, 12:48:08 pm
They have all had Two fare increases in the last 4 years where they should have knocked all dat shite on de head !
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Bob Shillin on March 02, 2018, 01:13:57 pm
Guys regularly giving MT €75-€150 pw
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 02, 2018, 01:42:49 pm
... and more. A few years ago Hail0 told us that it's top drivers pay €240/week commission.
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: the driver on March 03, 2018, 04:35:12 am
Doubt if there will be a radio company around in 5 years.They are rapidly becoming obsolete.PPJ is the future.A mate of mine is with NRC and he tells me 50% of the jobs have some form of discount.Personally i hope Vinny looses his bollox with Expert.Poacher turned gamekeeper.He was the early incarnation of Whistle asking drivers to pony up 500 each to set up HIS company.

We may not like paying 12% to Mytaxi but for semi retired people like myself and rats they are ideal.If Flag does take off I am sure Mytaxi will quickly follow their lead regarding commission.

I am very happy to use Mytaxi at the moment for my 30 hours a week.
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: dalymount on March 03, 2018, 08:14:19 am
i don't use ANY other party at all to find work for me I get my own.
having said that, I can understand a driver using my taxi where you are not treated like an employee.
i just don't understand why drivers don't take back power to run the industry themselves instead of giving that power to someone would treat them as though they were employees.

as I already said, we can operate without them, but they cannot operate without us .
doesn't make sense to me to be honest, but then again it's entirely the drivers choice .
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 03, 2018, 11:26:45 am
PPJ makes more sense for dispatch operators. mytaxi has proved that drivers will pay much higher freight under that system, some will even pay the firm's normal bribery expenses on to of regular commission.
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: silverbullet on March 03, 2018, 10:31:31 pm
Doubt if there will be a radio company around in 5 years.They are rapidly becoming obsolete.PPJ is the future.A mate of mine is with NRC and he tells me 50% of the jobs have some form of discount.Personally i hope Vinny looses his bollox with Expert.Poacher turned gamekeeper.He was the early incarnation of Whistle asking drivers to pony up 500 each to set up HIS company.

We may not like paying 12% to Mytaxi but for semi retired people like myself and rats they are ideal.If Flag does take off I am sure Mytaxi will quickly follow their lead regarding commission.

I am very happy to use Mytaxi at the moment for my 30 hours a week.
It was 5 Grand with Coq au Vin, Mallet headed prick. 8)
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: dalymount on March 04, 2018, 07:32:59 am
i hate to say it, but it looks like the days of the independent driver is over
with all the new apps now, an independent hasn't a hope.unfortunately drivers who have signed up to radio, or app providers, have given away the power to run the industry to others ah well
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: the driver on March 04, 2018, 09:01:37 am
Dalymount it is not just Taxi drivers who subscribe to apps.People subscribe to apps every day be it Virgin Media,Netflix or even online banking.That's just the way things are going and there is no way to stop it.In 20 years time everyone will be driving around in some sort of some sort of self driving car and we will be obsolete.

Until then make as much as you can and provide for your old age.
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: dalymount on March 04, 2018, 09:13:28 am
I'm afraid I'm already old
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Korky on March 04, 2018, 09:26:19 am
i hate to say it, but it looks like the days of the independent driver is over
with all the new apps now, an independent hasn't a hope.unfortunately drivers who have signed up to radio, or app providers, have given away the power to run the industry to others ah well
The truely independent drivers that I know are busier than ever, with so many lads on base/ mytaxi jobs and others cruising for mytaxi work, the queues on ranks are much shorter, even the Cork airport rank now can often be short of cars. Independent drivers never had it so good
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: mercenary for hire on March 04, 2018, 09:28:21 am
The state will always provide enough so we don't starve.I'd rather be old and poor than younger working me bollix off with the chance I might die early leaving the family fighting over me fortune.It will be grand lads.
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 04, 2018, 11:22:29 am
The chance to die early is rapidly passing you by, MfH... get the lead out, man!
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: mercenary for hire on March 04, 2018, 12:46:55 pm
Kicking the bucket at 60 is considered young these days.Modern medicine keeping folks around till 90 doesn't appeal at all..
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Shallowhal on March 04, 2018, 01:34:56 pm
I don't want to be around in me 80's or 90's....the missus says she won't be wiping me arse...so i'll take her word for that,
If i can spend a few months in the sun per year when i hit my 60's i'll be happy!!
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Belker on March 04, 2018, 04:14:16 pm
i hate to say it, but it looks like the days of the independent driver is over
with all the new apps now, an independent hasn't a hope.unfortunately drivers who have signed up to radio, or app providers, have given away the power to run the industry to others ah well
The truely independent drivers that I know are busier than ever, with so many lads on base/ mytaxi jobs and others cruising for mytaxi work, the queues on ranks are much shorter, even the Cork airport rank now can often be short of cars. Independent drivers never had it so good

I'd agree with Korky on that, I pulled in as Top car (only car) on the 'Porters' rank at about noon today, the 'Porters' rank being in the center of Cork's main street (St. Patrick st.) and usually a busy rank, very surprising to see it empty by day.
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: dalymount on March 04, 2018, 04:29:12 pm
well lads regardless of what you say, I will never understand why drivers don't take back the running of the industry themselves , and render all these apps, and radio companies surplus to requirements.
i do believe that some drivers , in a weird sort of way, need to be told what to do because they were to long in the PAYE sector , and find self employment hard to deal with.
that is is not a criticising them , just an observation
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Belker on March 04, 2018, 04:33:49 pm
well lads regardless of what you say, I will never understand why drivers don't take back the running of the industry themselves , and render all these apps, and radio companies surplus to requirements.
i do believe that some drivers , in a weird sort of way, need to be told what to do because they were to long in the PAYE sector , and find self employment hard to deal with.
that is is not a criticising them , just an observation

And just how exactly are we supposed to do that DM ?
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: dalymount on March 04, 2018, 05:10:31 pm
it's quite simple really.
get agreement from all drivers to delete their apps, give back their radios, this would create a level playing field for all drivers, and at the same time save drivers who do have radio's 100 plus a week.i know people would not agree, to do it, but it would certainly get those leeches out of the industry who exploit drivers by treating them as employees
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: dalymount on March 04, 2018, 05:13:46 pm
it STILL comes back to one fundamental issue.
THEY NEED YA WE DON'T NEED THEM this point seems to be overlooked all the time
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Belker on March 04, 2018, 05:33:53 pm
it's quite simple really.
get agreement from all drivers
to delete their apps, give back their radios, this would create a level playing field for all drivers, and at the same time save drivers who do have radio's 100 plus a week.i know people would not agree, to do it, but it would certainly get those leeches out of the industry who exploit drivers by treating them as employees

Is that a serious post DM ?
Have a bit of a think about what you just posted.


P.S. Are you any relation to the Erm ?
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: dalymount on March 04, 2018, 05:57:52 pm
you are your response is the result of negative thinking.
apart from the fact that unity among drivers has always been a problem in the industry, why do you think my proposal is off the wall ? your attitude is typical of the type of thing in talking about.

you also seem to think we need to rely on cab companies to direct our lives for us
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: dalymount on March 04, 2018, 06:01:38 pm
I'm quite sure aligned drivers would love the prospect of not having to answer to their would be employers anymore.
plus the fact that would save themselves more then 100 a week
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Shallowhal on March 04, 2018, 06:27:51 pm
A lot of daytime drivers are aligned to dispatch co's and will more than likely have the Mytaxi app aswell,i would imagine most night time drivers would just have the Mytaxi app which they would probably turn off after midnight and save themselves 12%,i personally find the app more of a distraction and an annoyance tbh especially at weekends when all the heroes are out and the job offer run in distances are ridiculous...they should realise by now that i don't bite!!

The reality being that you'll never get driver unity.
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: dalymount on March 04, 2018, 07:58:46 pm
therein lies the problem.
they didn't even unite on bigger issues, so I know my asperations are pissing against the wind
still I love in hope that some day the drivers will realize they don't need cab company dictators telling them how to run their business. guarantee you one thing, there people will NEVER get a foothold in to MY business
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Belker on March 04, 2018, 08:23:50 pm
therein lies the problem.
they didn't even unite on bigger issues
, so I know my asperations are pissing against the wind
still I love in hope that some day the drivers will realize they don't need cab company dictators telling them how to run their business. guarantee you one thing, there people will NEVER get a foothold in to MY business

To repeat the question, just how exactly are we supposed to do it DM ?

As in like should someone Text or Email all 20,000+ Irish taxi drivers telling them all to turn off App's and Radio's and only work the streets, is that the plan ? Or do you have a bigger plan ?
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Belker on March 04, 2018, 08:52:13 pm
As in we all agree to turn off the Apps 'Seemingly'

So 'John M' from Clondalkin is sitting at home drinking his tea and watching the Telly with the App 'Kinda' tuned off and a job pops up on his screen; "Clondalkin to Dooblin Airport" in Thirty minutes time with instant priority. John M thinks to himself; "Naw, I'm unified with the lads not to take any App work", And he 'Seemingly' refuses the job ?

No disrespect meant to John M, but can you really see that working DM ?
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Belker on March 04, 2018, 08:58:12 pm
therein lies the problem.
they didn't even unite on bigger issues, so I know my asperations are pissing against the wind

They are, Let it go !
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Belker on March 04, 2018, 08:59:34 pm
there people will NEVER get a foothold in to MY business

Good fer You, Stick it out !
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: dalymount on March 04, 2018, 09:17:44 pm
this is not about money, it's about your right to run your business as a SELF EMPLOYED PROVIDER.
i know of no other business where the owner of that business gives over total control of it to a group of scumbags who think they wield power over the owner of that business.

talk about the tail wagging the dog ?

on another note .
my idea is not as off the wall as you seem to think
all it would take would be a movement like TTNH
who, hopefully would agree with the proposal to organise a general meeting to persue this as part of their objectives. you , ib the other hand are ALSO obviously brainwashed by these companies into thinking you actually need them.
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Belker on March 04, 2018, 09:40:10 pm
TTnH burnt all their bridges when standing over a convicted Over-charger and Drug dealer.
That kinda sums up all our 'Unity' within this industry !
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: dalymount on March 04, 2018, 09:48:10 pm
well I'm not a member, so I don't know anything about it.
having said that, they are still a very influential movement .
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Korky on March 05, 2018, 04:48:17 am
To be honest Dalymount, your proposal is nuts. If we did what you suggest every punter would need to come out on the street to find a cab.  Nobody could book a car to the airport or a hospital appointment, they’d just have to walk out on the street at 5am and hope a taxi might pass by...we are part of the service industry, that wouldn’t be much of a service!!! I suppose a company like Uber could then push for ride share legislation to cover the work we throw away and we could try to find space on a rank to read our newspapers.
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: dalymount on March 05, 2018, 06:39:30 am
now your getting it
that's exactly what I've being saying all along .i couldn't have put it better myself.
that's the situation I have been trying to create whereby punters had to come out into the street to get a cab.
this would create a level playing field for ALL drivers,  save alligned drivers 100 plus a week, and get rid of radio companies out of the industry altogether .
don't forget the use of an app, ot radio company, is only a convenience provided for the customers benefit, it is NOT a necessity.
what did people do before such things were invented ? they did exactly as you suggested .
THEY CAME OUT ONTO THE STREET.
sadly you appear to have been brainwashed into believing the dictatiors cannot be done without
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 05, 2018, 11:56:32 am
The utopia you recall never existed, Paul. Folk didn't flag taxis down a whole lot before roof signs were introduced in the 70s. Phoning for a cab was the norm - not that taxi use was normal - back then. As a taxi culture developed through the 80s/90s taxi and hackney bases sprung up in the suburbs developing radio work in line with increased street work. However, there has been a huge shift to app ordering in recent times, particularly in the suburbs. Ten years ago I could easily work the suburbs without any app or radio, that's not an option now. I'd have to work the city to make ends meet without accepting app work. Now that mytaxi allows us charge full fare - and riders are happy to pay it - I don't see any great issue, although I would prefer not to be as dependent on a commercial dispatch firm as I am.

TTnH has supported and promoted various apps over the years. Initially it was in Hail0's corner but various factors such as withdrawal of PUC saw it switch allegiance to cab:app, which it still promotes. Hence I don't see it agreeing with your suggested boycott of all firms. Furthermore, removing the pick up service would discommode our customers and would strengthen the case for rideshare and such like. In an ideal world, NTA would provide the eHail infrastructure. The unions should have listened to me 5 years ago and supported that objective instead of seeking to line their own pockets by supporting commercial firms. However, there are still some active proponents of the co-op model e.g. Whistle and Eircab who may provide drivers with a non-commercial option going forward. Similarly, other commercial players such as Flag may bring much needed competition to the PPJ dispatch market
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: dalymount on March 05, 2018, 03:44:46 pm
i just think everyone is missing the point I'm trying to make.
that point being, why are SELF EMPLOYED drivers prepared to give the running of their business to a bunch of bloodsuckers ?

i completely disagree with you also.
it is a fact that a taxi culture has been established for a good number of years now, so you seriously believe that will disapear now, it no radio company a existed ?
furthermore have you ever been in town on a Friday,  or Saturday night ? radio company's, and apps are redundant on those nights.
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: silverbullet on March 05, 2018, 04:04:19 pm
I consider myself to be an Independent Owner Operator.
I have an App for the quiet times, and when I drop in the suburbs.
22 years on and still no need to attach to Rentseekers.
There'll always be a limited market for guys who can't make it  on their own.
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Vikkiz on March 05, 2018, 04:11:01 pm
If people want a taxi they ring for a taxi, or they use an app (latest craze in the last 4-5 years)
Folk will certainly not walk 1km out of their estate in search of a taxi ffs. And that's why radio companies came into being. It's about supply and demand, and business of course. There is a business need for radio
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Belker on March 05, 2018, 04:18:28 pm
i just think everyone is missing the point I'm trying to make.
that point being, why are SELF EMPLOYED drivers prepared to give the running of their business to a bunch of bloodsuckers ?

We get the point DM, but it's just not gonna happen fer reasons that have been tirelessly explained to you.
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: dalymount on March 05, 2018, 05:05:23 pm
well the last I'll say on it is , it's not gonna happen simply because there is no will on the part of the drivers to MAKE it happen.
it's like I said already there are drivers who just can't operate without being told what to do.
to long in the PAYE sector I guess.
ah well I tried
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: dalymount on March 05, 2018, 05:08:34 pm
although I'll never join a app ether, I have a lot less hathered for them then I do for the radio scum.
i hope some day soon , the apps will wipe the floor with these people
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 05, 2018, 06:29:45 pm
Possibly a more realistic objective. There's a good few drivers that prefer to pay €200 commission (plus bribery expense) than €100 freight (inc bribery expense). As FDS used to remind us, there's a reason we drive cabs for a living.

I don't think drivers work for dispatch firms because they spent too long in the PAYE sector. I didn't spend long as a PAYE worker myself. I think it's more to do with collective marketing.
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: dalymount on March 05, 2018, 06:41:46 pm
you reckon ? ah your probably right
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Vikkiz on March 06, 2018, 09:03:12 pm
I’m definitely driving the taxi longer than I spent in PAYE. When you go out DM you are truely on your own. With a radio you can get assistance via a panic button. Apps don’t have that either.

Cab companies will always be needed, whether in the current radio form or app form.

As Rats said, MyTaxi have said their top drivers are paying €250 in commission but wouldn’t pay a radio €100 because of back door work. I guarantee you their is back door work in apps as well. It’s all algorithms that they use to assign work. MyTaxis rank and ambassador system is the best example of how easy it is to give certain drivers Moreno work and they just admitted recently that prebooks were set to show work near you, not the good runs but just jobs near you.
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Bob Shillin on March 06, 2018, 09:48:31 pm
If MT's business model would allow them to cap commission permanently at €75 or 36 jobs they would have a good chance of wiping out non taxi renting traditional despatched. I think.
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Vikkiz on March 06, 2018, 09:52:25 pm
36 jobs at the average fare of €20(they say)leaves a driver paying commission of €86 which is equivalent to radio companies. Would be bad if you got 36 jobs though.
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: silverbullet on March 06, 2018, 10:09:14 pm
If MT's business model would allow them to cap commission permanently at €75 or 36 jobs they would have a good chance of wiping out non taxi renting traditional despatched. I think.
+1.
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: silverbullet on March 06, 2018, 10:12:22 pm
I’m definitely driving the taxi longer than I spent in PAYE. When you go out DM you are truely on your own. With a radio you can get assistance via a panic button. Apps don’t have that either.

Cab companies will always be needed, whether in the current radio form or app form.

As Rats said, MyTaxi have said their top drivers are paying €250 in commission but wouldn’t pay a radio €100 because of back door work. I guarantee you their is back door work in apps as well. It’s all algorithms that they use to assign work. MyTaxis rank and ambassador system is the best example of how easy it is to give certain drivers Moreno work and they just admitted recently that prebooks were set to show work near you, not the good runs but just jobs near you.
When Ebbs tried to buy my freight from Pat Claffey, he said he'd only charge 10% commission PLUS €80+ freight. Have things changed ? And does he still offer % discounts  to Account customers ?
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Vikkiz on March 07, 2018, 02:17:10 am
When Ebbs tried to buy my freight from Pat Claffey, he said he'd only charge 10% commission PLUS €80+ freight. Have things changed ? And does he still offer % discounts  to Account customers ?
As far as I know Plebbs charges €80 or €100, &10% on account work. I have no idea if he gives discounts to customers.
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Wingnut on March 07, 2018, 02:46:12 am
If MT's business model would allow them to cap commission permanently at €75 or 36 jobs they would have a good chance of wiping out non taxi renting traditional despatched. I think.
+1.
+2
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: dalymount on March 07, 2018, 07:15:36 am
i couldn't believe what I read in an earlier part of this tread just now.
i read that Ebbs charges connision to drivers AS WELL as base fees surely whoever posted that is joking ?
also it was said that he gives discount to corporate customers, no he doesent,  YOU , THE DRIVERS give this discount, he just claims the credit for it .Jesus wept
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Korky on March 07, 2018, 09:31:16 am
i couldn't believe what I read in an earlier part of this tread just now.
i read that Ebbs charges connision to drivers AS WELL as base fees surely whoever posted that is joking ?
also it was said that he gives discount to corporate customers, no he doesent,  YOU , THE DRIVERS give this discount, he just claims the credit for it .Jesus wept

On this one, I agree with you 100%
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 07, 2018, 01:45:59 pm
It's a few years since the bullet worked for Ebbs. Discounts are in the past now that the economy has recovered. Even mytaxi came round to allowing us charge full fare a while back. Of course we do have to pay an extra €2 commission on hotel/pub/car hire return shed jobs.
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 07, 2018, 01:51:30 pm
If MT's business model would allow them to cap commission permanently at €75 or 36 jobs they would have a good chance of wiping out non taxi renting traditional despatched. I think.
+1.
+2
+2.68 - Commission (including surcharges for hotel/pub/car hire return shed jobs) should be capped at €47/week.

However, we know that's not consistent with mytaxi's business model. It aspires to charging variable rates of commission of up to 30%... as introduced in Germany some time ago.
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Wingnut on March 07, 2018, 07:35:18 pm
i couldn't believe what I read in an earlier part of this tread just now.
i read that Ebbs charges connision to drivers AS WELL as base fees surely whoever posted that is joking ?
also it was said that he gives discount to corporate customers, no he doesent,  YOU , THE DRIVERS give this discount, he just claims the credit for it .Jesus wept


Got a text from Lynk today trying to entice me back, they are now charging full fare on credit card jobs and lowering their commission.

http://bit.ly/LowFull8 (http://bit.ly/LowFull8)
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: silverbullet on March 07, 2018, 07:44:58 pm
When Ebbs tried to buy my freight from Pat Claffey, he said he'd only charge 10% commission PLUS €80+ freight. Have things changed ? And does he still offer % discounts  to Account customers ?
As far as I know Plebbs charges €80 or €100, &10% on account work. I have no idea if he gives discounts to customers.
The 10% on account work, he said would be an average. For example, blue cabs telling drivers Beaumont Hospital get 37% discounts,State Street Bank 25%, Ebbs said all drivers would pay 10% on accounts. he probably makes it up by charging drivers 10% on jobs where no discount actually applies.
Relying on the ignorance of drivers, plus the secrecy of Cab company /A/C Punter contracts.
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 08, 2018, 10:56:37 am

Got a text from Lynk today trying to entice me back, they are now charging full fare on credit card jobs and lowering their commission.

[url]http://bit.ly/LowFull8[/url] ([url]http://bit.ly/LowFull8[/url])



I think all firms are full fare these days. Do drivers who work for Lynk have to pay an extra €2 freight on jobs from hotels/pubs/car hire return sheds like drivers who work for mytaxi?
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Korky on March 08, 2018, 02:21:31 pm
That text from link expects drivers to pay them almost 8% commission from street work???? Ehhh nope
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 08, 2018, 03:23:42 pm
12% with mytaxi + €2 for hotel/pub/car hire return shed jobs.
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Shallowhal on March 08, 2018, 03:38:27 pm
Are Mytaxi charging 12% for street hails now?(people who ask to use the pay with Mytaxi feature)
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 08, 2018, 04:02:25 pm
No idea, I use Sumup if I let street scum pay by card.
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Korky on March 08, 2018, 05:31:57 pm
12% with mytaxi + €2 for hotel/pub/car hire return shed jobs.
Whatever about hotels, I never accept pub jobs from mytaxi
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Shallowhal on March 08, 2018, 06:00:33 pm
12% with mytaxi + €2 for hotel/pub/car hire return shed jobs.
Whatever about hotels, I never accept pub jobs from mytaxi

Goes without sayin Korky....the boozer serving them all night...and day most likely,filled the till...now pour them into a taxi...eh...no!!
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 08, 2018, 06:25:56 pm
... and the publican wants €2 out of your pocket for the pleasure of removing his drunken layabouts. Must get on to Panda and ask will they start paying me for letting them collect my rubbish.
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: silverbullet on March 08, 2018, 11:36:12 pm
i couldn't believe what I read in an earlier part of this tread just now.
i read that Ebbs charges connision to drivers AS WELL as base fees surely whoever posted that is joking ?
also it was said that he gives discount to corporate customers, no he doesent,  YOU , THE DRIVERS give this discount, he just claims the credit for it .Jesus wept


Got a text from Lynk today trying to entice me back, they are now charging full fare on credit card jobs and lowering their commission.

[url]http://bit.ly/LowFull8[/url] ([url]http://bit.ly/LowFull8[/url])

Lowering  the commission from 10% to 7.9%  wouldn't entice me to work for that arsehole. it's still €80-€100 a week PLUS 7.9% commission on all account work. Account work accounts for most of Ebbs work, so I'd guess weekly outlay to be circa €160 for the average 40 hour week.
Any of you come across the arsehole, tell him I said to take a hike !! 8)
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: silverbullet on March 08, 2018, 11:39:36 pm
It's a few years since the bullet worked for Ebbs. Discounts are in the past now that the economy has recovered. Even mytaxi came round to allowing us charge full fare a while back. Of course we do have to pay an extra €2 commission on hotel/pub/car hire return shed jobs.
Contrary to your opinion, I've never worked for him. I engaged him for approx' 12 weeks in 2001. I didn't like the cut of his jib, and thought their was a whiff of cordite about his business contacts.

For that reason I had to let him go. 8)
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 09, 2018, 11:16:31 am
Swings and roundabouts... Hail0 told us it's top drivers were paying €240/week commission a few years back. Given that drivers working for mytaxi had to give discounts of up to 36% at that time and given that there was no hospitality charge, it's safe to assume they're paying well over 3 ton these days.
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Wingnut on March 09, 2018, 11:59:44 am
i couldn't believe what I read in an earlier part of this tread just now.
i read that Ebbs charges connision to drivers AS WELL as base fees surely whoever posted that is joking ?
also it was said that he gives discount to corporate customers, no he doesent,  YOU , THE DRIVERS give this discount, he just claims the credit for it .Jesus wept


Got a text from Lynk today trying to entice me back, they are now charging full fare on credit card jobs and lowering their commission.

[url]http://bit.ly/LowFull8[/url] ([url]http://bit.ly/LowFull8[/url])

Lowering  the commission from 10% to 7.9%  wouldn't entice me to work for that arsehole. it's still €80-€100 a week PLUS 7.9% commission on all account work. Account work accounts for most of Ebbs work, so I'd guess weekly outlay to be circa €160 for the average 40 hour week.
Any of you come across the arsehole, tell him I said to take a hike !! 8)


I don't know why they sent me a text anyway because after the brainwashing I got when signing up and signing my life away I only lasted a couple of days. Lynk would not be for me.
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Vikkiz on March 09, 2018, 12:07:07 pm
That 7.9% is for app card jobs and drivers can charge the €2 and keep it.  He still charges 10% on account jobs.
He is also going to be charging 7.9% on street cards which had been free up until this change
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Wingnut on March 09, 2018, 12:29:36 pm
That 7.9% is for app card jobs and drivers can charge the €2 and keep it.  He still charges 10% on account jobs.
He is also going to be charging 7.9% on street cards which had been free up until this change

Is there a €2 pick up charge on his account jobs?
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Vikkiz on March 09, 2018, 12:35:56 pm
Yes
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Shallowhal on March 09, 2018, 01:14:35 pm
Sum up would be a cheaper option for drivers....but probably best to suggest stopping at an ATM on their journey!!
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 09, 2018, 03:47:00 pm
That 7.9% is for app card jobs and drivers can charge the €2 and keep it.  He still charges 10% on account jobs.
He is also going to be charging 7.9% on street cards which had been free up until this change

Does he let drivers keep the €2 from hotel/pub/car hire return shed jobs? If he does he's missing a trick. Drivers who work for mytaxi have to pay an extra €2 freight on those jobs. When C2K had most of the mytaxi hotels/pubs/car parks there was no extra freight.
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Korky on March 09, 2018, 04:39:02 pm
That 7.9% is for app card jobs and drivers can charge the €2 and keep it.  He still charges 10% on account jobs.
He is also going to be charging 7.9% on street cards which had been free up until this change

Does he let drivers keep the €2 from hotel/pub/car hire return shed jobs? If he does he's missing a trick. Drivers who work for mytaxi have to pay an extra €2 freight on those jobs. When C2K had most of the mytaxi hotels/pubs/car parks there was no extra freight.

The difference is, with mytaxi you can reject those jobs without penalty or pissing off the base operator who will punish you later, I do quite a bit of my taxi work... I have paid a total of €4 hospitality charges.... both errors.
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Vikkiz on March 09, 2018, 05:44:42 pm
His philosopy is to not charge the €2 PUC(which is ridiculous in this day and age) so his way to implement it is to let drivers charge it on account jobs, hotel jobs etc etc etc but he then takes it off the drivers AFAIK
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Wingnut on March 09, 2018, 06:00:33 pm
His philosopy is to not charge the €2 PUC(which is ridiculous in this day and age) so his way to implement it is to let drivers charge it on account jobs, hotel jobs etc etc etc but he then takes it off the drivers AFAIK

That's right, the one account job I done when I joined last year the €2 was added and when I got the payment report
it was deducted along with 10%.

Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Vikkiz on March 09, 2018, 07:24:47 pm
His philosopy is to not charge the €2 PUC(which is ridiculous in this day and age) so his way to implement it is to let drivers charge it on account jobs, hotel jobs etc etc etc but he then takes it off the drivers AFAIK

That's right, the one account job I done when I joined last year the €2 was added and when I got the payment report
it was deducted along with 10%.
That’s the way they do it. I used to add extra on to cover it when I was there
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: silverbullet on March 09, 2018, 08:20:24 pm
I Guess a lot of drivers steal from the punter to offset his expensive lifestyle, ex wives, girlfriends, and a new bird etc. A Cuban yoke I'm told, Buy Jesus, he's punching above his weight for a lad in his late Fifties.

Problem being, he still gets 10% of what's being overchargd to the punter. 8)

Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 10, 2018, 11:19:23 am

Does he let drivers keep the €2 from hotel/pub/car hire return shed jobs? If he does he's missing a trick. Drivers who work for mytaxi have to pay an extra €2 freight on those jobs. When C2K had most of the mytaxi hotels/pubs/car parks there was no extra freight.

The difference is, with mytaxi you can reject those jobs without penalty or pissing off the base operator who will punish you later, I do quite a bit of my taxi work... I have paid a total of €4 hospitality charges.... both errors.

The substantive difference is that there was no additional charge with C2K, all bribery expenses were included in freight. TBH, I reckon it was unlikely that Anthony was paying anything to most of the pubs that mytaxi charge drivers an extra €2/job. 93.84% of the work out of them is mickey mouse local fares, often with drunks the barmen can only shift by calling them cabs.

Whether drivers can choose to accept the work or not, it is being covered with the freight surcharges. This is where Irish firms missed a trick. Drivers would happily give them up to 3 ton a week if they went PPJ @ €2 + 12%/job.
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 10, 2018, 11:24:16 am
Problem being, he still gets 10% of what's being overchargd to the punter. 8)


He's nuts. Drivers working for mytaxi pay 12% plus €2 for hotel/pub/car hire return shed jobs. We even pay commission on our tips.
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: jackandcoke on March 14, 2018, 06:19:54 pm
Doubt if there will be a radio company around in 5 years.They are rapidly becoming obsolete.PPJ is the future.A mate of mine is with NRC and he tells me 50% of the jobs have some form of discount.Personally i hope Vinny looses his bollox with Expert.Poacher turned gamekeeper.He was the early incarnation of Whistle asking drivers to pony up 500 each to set up HIS company.

We may not like paying 12% to Mytaxi but for semi retired people like myself and rats they are ideal.If Flag does take off I am sure Mytaxi will quickly follow their lead regarding commission.

I am very happy to use Mytaxi at the moment for my 30 hours a week.


Big companies like Aer Lingus and the HSE will never use apps where there is zero accountability to the customer; for the record the only discounts NRC have are Aer Lingus (10%) HSE (20%) Holles St (15%) and Beaumount (Set Fares) All the corporate companies now pay full fare.
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: dalymount on March 14, 2018, 07:44:09 pm
i keep saying it, and nobody is listening NRC  don't give these discounts, YOU THE FUKKING DRIVERS DO.these radio companies are NOT your employees when will you accept that ?
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: silverbullet on March 14, 2018, 07:53:53 pm
Swings and roundabouts... Hail0 told us it's top drivers were paying €240/week commission a few years back. Given that drivers working for mytaxi had to give discounts of up to 36% at that time and given that there was no hospitality charge, it's safe to assume they're paying well over 3 ton these days.
I seriously doubt anyone is paying €240-€300 a week for a forty hour stretch. If you're Immigrant mates are doubling or tripling their hours, or better still, have three drivers on the one car, I say fair play to them.
Title: Re: NRC Xpert Merger
Post by: silverbullet on March 14, 2018, 08:00:52 pm
Problem being, he still gets 10% of what's being overchargd to the punter. 8)


He's nuts. Drivers working for mytaxi pay 12% plus €2 for hotel/pub/car hire return shed jobs. We even pay commission on our tips.
Tips ? Just tell your punters upfront you get charged for tips, and that cash would be fine.