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Title: Mind your backs
Post by: john m on March 15, 2018, 04:42:42 pm
https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/mytaxi-appoint-alan-fox-as-new-general-manager-for-ireland-36707966.html (https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/mytaxi-appoint-alan-fox-as-new-general-manager-for-ireland-36707966.html) .
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: john m on March 15, 2018, 04:44:22 pm
Alan Fox has been appointed mytaxi's new general manager for Ireland.

With 20 years experience in the financial services and tech sector, Mr Fox joins the company as it embarks on further service and expansion and fleet upgrade.

"This is an exciting and dynamic time for mytaxi and we strongly believe Alan’s diverse management, business development and marketing expertise in technology and consumer sectors is a strong fit as we push to build on our success in Ireland," Regional Manager with responsibility for Ireland at mytaxi, Andy Batty, said.

Mr Fox worked as Sales & Marketing Director at AA Ireland for five years and has held senior positions in Telefonica, Zurich Insurance and Meteor Mobile.

He succeeds Tim Arnold who has taken up an international role for Renault Nissan based in Paris.

Last year, the Hailo merger with the Daimler subsidiary launched in Ireland.



WHAT IS FLEET UPGRADE THEY DONT HAVE A FLEET ... Mr Fox joins the company as it embarks on further service and expansion and fleet upgrade.
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: Tony on March 15, 2018, 04:45:24 pm
He's a sly old cunt
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: john m on March 15, 2018, 04:49:40 pm
 Alan’s diverse management, business development and marketing expertise in technology and consumer sectors is a strong fit as we push to build on our success in Ireland," Regional Manager with responsibility for Ireland at mytaxi, Andy Batty, said.
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: Dr. Martin Gooter Bling on March 15, 2018, 04:59:21 pm
what about rim arnold.
when he met the boys off the forum he forgot to mention that he wanted to make taxi drivers obsolete with his new driverless technology gig with renault.
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: john m on March 15, 2018, 05:03:06 pm
RIDESHARE anybody ,as the new service He was a big noise withan insurance company .Im sure he could organise insurance cover for new entrants or ridesharers .I think its time to look for the exit door .
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 15, 2018, 05:18:01 pm
I was well aware of Daimler's autonomous vehicle ambitions, Doc. In fact it was one of Daimler's brand CEOs that coined the phrase "airbnb on wheels". We can't halt progress but we can work to secure our place in the future.
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: john m on March 15, 2018, 05:20:25 pm
I was well aware of Daimler's autonomous vehicle ambitions, Doc. In fact it was one of Daimler's brand CEOs that coined the phrase "airbnb on wheels". We can't halt progress but we can work to secure our place in the future.

You and me wont have a future Rodent we wont comply so we will be jetosoned .
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 15, 2018, 05:23:13 pm
Our future is behind us... but we should be thinking of the next generation of drivers, we are merely custodians of our trade.
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: john m on March 15, 2018, 05:25:51 pm
Not to often you get to quote Shakespear on a taxi forum but the warning to Julius Ceasar before he got stabbed in the back was beware the ides of March ..Today is the Ides of March ...The actual quote is from Shakespeare's tragedy Julius Caesar (1599). The warning is uttered by a soothsayer who is letting Roman leader Julius Caesar know that his life is in danger, and he should probably stay home and be careful when March 15th, the Ides of March, rolls around....This new bloke at Mytaxi is watching your back .
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 15, 2018, 05:29:08 pm
The quality of mercy is not strained. It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven above. Upon the place beneath it is twice blessed...
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: dalymount on March 15, 2018, 06:13:26 pm
on a daily basis you express  fear of the future, and of the would be employers who pull tour strings.yet the most simple solution is staring  you in the face and you cannot see it.

WITHDRAW YOUR SERVICES FROM APPS, CAB COMPANIES, ETC ETC  take back control of your industry.

for men so intelligent ., its hard to believe that you have the answer in your hands and cannot see it.

surely it stands to reason that you call the shots because you can operate without them, but they cannot operate without you. i swear i will NEVER understand the logic of taxi drivers
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 15, 2018, 06:16:55 pm
If there was a co-op alternative that could be an option. However, we can't halt progress no matter how much we seek to hinder it hence the obvious solution is to work with the innovators to secure our (most likely) ever-decreasing role in the future.
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: john m on March 15, 2018, 06:20:11 pm
Ah Dalymount .The standard of taxi driver varies .A lot of drivers would dig up the corpse of their dead mother and butt fuck it for a fare .If we dont cover the app work the other bloke will.As FDS once said this is a part time gig .I warned against Workcapture on Roys but nobody wanted to listen .Wont be long now before the apps start dropping certain drivers who dont cover enough jobs .
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: dalymount on March 15, 2018, 06:28:57 pm
i see the drivers want to give YET ANOTHER FUCKING APPS foothold into the game, this crowd flag.

in the north of Ireland, its compulsory to be aligned to a radio company. that is not the case here, but the drivers are  making it become that way.
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: john m on March 15, 2018, 06:35:23 pm
i see the drivers want to give YET ANOTHER FUCKING APPS foothold into the game, this crowd flag.

in the north of Ireland, its compulsory to be aligned to a radio company. that is not the case here, but the drivers are  making it become that way.

It is Government policy that ALL drivers be aligned and we gocashless did you not read the review .
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: dalymount on March 15, 2018, 06:46:51 pm
yes its government POLICY, but its not government law.

it is merely an aspiration that Alan Kelly  expressed at the time he junior minister, but it never became law.

i actually wrote to Alan Kelly at the time, and assured him that although i was not involved in any represintitve capacity, i, along with others would go all over this country trying to persuade taxi drivers who wished to remain independent, to oppose any moves to make us align ourselves with any company
i still feel as strongly today
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 15, 2018, 11:43:45 pm
It'd be hard to work the suburbs up above in Dublin without working for a dispatch firm. The kids of today are too fat and lazy to walk to a main road to hail a cab. To be fair, why would they? If you're taking a cab take it from A to B, not from A.34 to A.98. Don't forget we get paid for picking them up and it's our job.
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: U Wha on March 16, 2018, 12:38:28 am
I was well aware of Daimler's autonomous vehicle ambitions, Doc. In fact it was one of Daimler's brand CEOs that coined the phrase "airbnb on wheels". We can't halt progress but we can work to secure our place in the future.

with flag?
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 16, 2018, 10:56:15 am
mytaxi, Flag, Uber, Get, Lyft, Link, Whistle, etc... the more the merrier.
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: mercenary for hire on March 16, 2018, 11:21:23 am
When I was running Uber and Hailo together my mobile was having a bit of a siezure...All flag needs is a bit of work and grumpy feckers like me will just leave on the app that's the cheapest to use.It's no fun running multiple apps and trying to control a car in traffic.Some might say it's even dangerous.
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: john m on March 16, 2018, 11:25:22 am
When I was running Uber and Hailo together my mobile was having a bit of a siezure.All flag needs is a bit of work and grumpy feckers like me will just leave on the app that's the cheapest to use.It's no fun running multiple apps and trying to control a car in traffic.Some might say it's even dangerous.
Im sure some of the tech wizzards who couldnt create a proper app could get us all to agree only to run their app as part of their t&cs and write some sort of blocking code .On safety grounds as you staed .No problem is solvable to these guys .
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: U Wha on March 16, 2018, 05:40:06 pm
mytaxi, Flag, Uber, Get, Lyft, Link, Whistle, etc... the more the merrier.

just curious, how will we secure our future with commercial apps dispatchers?
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: dalymount on March 16, 2018, 09:33:57 pm
by taking back control of YOUR industry,and eliminating these unnecessary control freaks from the industry
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: U Wha on March 16, 2018, 11:32:37 pm
by taking back control of YOUR industry,and eliminating these unnecessary control freaks from the industry

Oh ok never would have thought of that.
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: john m on March 17, 2018, 06:56:05 am
by taking back control of YOUR industry,and eliminating these unnecessary control freaks from the industry

Oh ok never would have thought of that.

FFS When are you going to stop Horsing that dead Flog nobody wants a co op app .Just look at the diverse opinions on here about FLAG or UBER or MEtaxi .
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: john m on March 17, 2018, 07:17:50 am
I was well aware of Daimler's autonomous vehicle ambitions, Doc. In fact it was one of Daimler's brand CEOs that coined the phrase "airbnb on wheels". We can't halt progress but we can work to secure our place in the future.

with flag?

 FLAG will struggle to survive and keep their driver promise 6% commission is not viable . There is a huge doubt being raised in my mind about this new venture .Who is financing it with 5 euro per job for  driver bonus and bonus on offer to passengers there must be investors putting up a pot and investors must have an alterior motive as 6% before CC service charges tech staff office staff never mind a marketing budget ,the figures just dont add up 6% is not viable to offer any sort of return on investment .So now Im wondering who is bankrolling this operation .

If I was to guesstimate on the Dublin taxi Market MEtaxi has about 16% of the market with NRC on about 1% Lynk on about .7 UBER on .00006% Cant see FLAG doing 2% .Drivers are creatures of habbitt they will download the app and run it along side Metaxi and as soon as they realize Metaxi are the ones with the work they will turn it off .The Big winners in the Irish e hail market will be metaxi and UBER the smaller dispatchers will just be parocial .



Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 17, 2018, 01:08:03 pm
You're overthinking it, erm. It has made a pledge to drivers that it will never increase commission. I haven't read the driver T&Cs but I assume that the pledge is contained therein and, as such, is a legal obligation the company has to every single driver until he dies/retires.
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: Bubba Ho-Tep on March 17, 2018, 02:05:47 pm
100% WAVs .......
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 17, 2018, 02:08:43 pm
If the current temporary moratorium on the issue of saloon plates is never lifted, we will get there (or as close as makes no difference) in due course. However, the only WAVs currently joining the fleet have dirty diesel engines so they may be responsible for creating as many raspberries as they serve.
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: Bubba Ho-Tep on March 17, 2018, 02:11:38 pm
If the current temporary moratorium on the issue of saloon plates is never lifted, we will get there (or as close as makes no difference) in due course. However, the only WAVs currently joining the fleet have dirty diesel engines so they may be responsible for creating as many raspberries as they serve.

Ah shur, ah shur . That`s a different 100% WAVs of a different colour altogether. No fuckin use to us at all.
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 17, 2018, 02:13:39 pm
We need to move with the times... How about 82% Electric WAVs?
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: Bubba Ho-Tep on March 17, 2018, 02:16:02 pm
We need to move with the times... How about 82% Electric WAVs?

Too late for us Rat. Would you believe it`s 10 years since I suggested the 100 % idea...
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 17, 2018, 02:21:05 pm
Substantial progress has been made in that decade. 9.2% of the taxi fleet is now WA and 7.3% of all SPSVs are WA.
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: Bubba Ho-Tep on March 17, 2018, 02:25:27 pm
Substantial progress has been made in that decade. 9.2% of the taxi fleet is now WA and 7.3% of all SPSVs are WA.
And they`re paying for the privilege . Mad stuff Ted. Makes you wonder why a step by step plan to convert the fleet to 100% was dismissed out of hand during that submission stage yonks ago. Oh wait, they seen the danger of drivers controlling the industry again. None so blind as those that are short sighted cunts I suppose.
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: john m on March 17, 2018, 02:35:30 pm
100% WAVs .......

I made that suggestion to the review All taxies must be WAT and to prevent an influx of rural taxies working Dublin or other cities all rural SPSV transport would be hacks .As all licenced taxies would then have a public service requirement to pick up mobility impaired customers we could then apply for public sercice status and possibly avail of VRT or VAT refunds .There would be nothing preventing Rural drivers to opt for a WAT to work their taximeter area instead of a hack if they the WAT work available to them.

 I think that boat has sailed Metaxi UBER and othres will now lobby Mr Ross to allow Rideshare outside of the Big Cities .That will allow them to build brand awareness so country folk and tourists will get brand aware and e hail their brand in the big Cities .I wonder how long before they go after the Points of Entry .AS FDS said its only a part time gig he is probably right for about 70% of the fleet .
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: U Wha on March 17, 2018, 04:12:25 pm
by taking back control of YOUR industry,and eliminating these unnecessary control freaks from the industry

Oh ok never would have thought of that.

FFS When are you going to stop Horsing that dead Flog nobody wants a co op app .Just look at the diverse opinions on here about FLAG or UBER or MEtaxi .

Dead horse. Don't think so!  And I was trying to see what RC meant by securing our future in earlier post. Plus DM obviously wasn't aware of my dead horse when he replied to my question to RC.

Be careful Ermy about calling the idea a dead horse cos it will get me all annoyed  and I may decide to waste my time with the co-option app instead of making hay while the sun shines in the game at the moment just to prove you wrong.
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 17, 2018, 04:28:34 pm
They'd prefer rideshare in the big cities where they can't meet demand, erm.
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: watty on March 17, 2018, 06:12:01 pm
Substantial progress has been made in that decade. 9.2% of the taxi fleet is now WA and 7.3% of all SPSVs are WA.
Some community worker who specialised in being nice to people with brain acquired injuries (or something) was on Newstalk during the week bemoaning how him and his wheelchair pal couldn't get a wheelchair taxi outside of Heuston.  Couldn't get a WAT either when they rang around.  There was lots of tut-tuting & shaking of heads. 

Anyhows Newstalk promised to keep on top of it...so that's sorted then!
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: john m on March 18, 2018, 01:28:00 am
by taking back control of YOUR industry,and eliminating these unnecessary control freaks from the industry

Oh ok never would have thought of that.

FFS When are you going to stop Horsing that dead Flog nobody wants a co op app .Just look at the diverse opinions on here about FLAG or UBER or MEtaxi .

Dead horse. Don't think so!  And I was trying to see what RC meant by securing our future in earlier post. Plus DM obviously wasn't aware of my dead horse when he replied to my question to RC.

Be careful Ermy about calling the idea a dead horse cos it will get me all annoyed  and I may decide to waste my time with the co-option app instead of making hay while the sun shines in the game at the moment just to prove you wrong.

There are none so blind as the DEAF
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: U Wha on March 19, 2018, 02:11:52 am
by taking back control of YOUR industry,and eliminating these unnecessary control freaks from the industry

Oh ok never would have thought of that.

FFS When are you going to stop Horsing that dead Flog nobody wants a co op app .Just look at the diverse opinions on here about FLAG or UBER or MEtaxi .

Dead horse. Don't think so!  And I was trying to see what RC meant by securing our future in earlier post. Plus DM obviously wasn't aware of my dead horse when he replied to my question to RC.

Be careful Ermy about calling the idea a dead horse cos it will get me all annoyed  and I may decide to waste my time with the co-option app instead of making hay while the sun shines in the game at the moment just to prove you wrong.

There are none so blind as the DEAF

Pardon?

Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: U Wha on March 19, 2018, 03:21:37 am
by taking back control of YOUR industry,and eliminating these unnecessary control freaks from the industry

Oh ok never would have thought of that.

FFS When are you going to stop Horsing that dead Flog nobody wants a co op app .Just look at the diverse opinions on here about FLAG or UBER or MEtaxi .

Erm, I take your point, things are good today, with all the apps falling over themselves, the drivers are in control due to the current economic climate, supply and demand, shortage of taxis versus demand for taxis. So the apps are trying to survive and will do anything to protect and control their market share.

Yea loads of money now, its great. But we are giving up control of our business. Imagine in a perfect taxi driver world where all drivers see the big picture and aren't short sighted and nobody works for dispatchers or apps. All the customers would have to hail on the street , walk to the rank or maybe call a regular taxi driver directly. Then all of the taxi work will always belong to taxi drivers and it would be there when you went out to work.

Even taking into account that the demand for taxis has increased over the last 30 years since consumers have had the option of calling or booking a taxi, fair enough, by why not by a system controlled by drivers.

When the cycle moves to the opposite, where there are more drivers and less work, the apps will gain control. Even now when things are good, 'the others' plot against the drivers, the MT ads on buses for drivers, the NTA 'fake' job ads for drivers, they want to take away our good times.

The bad times will come again and more and more frequently with shorter good spells and longer bad. When those days come, apps will control the work and no bonuses or stepped commission, the apps that survive will be ruthless.

When dispatchers and apps control taxi work it restricts a certain percentage of drivers from that 'controlled' work because they don't agree with the policies or have been excluded. The more dispatchers and apps that there are, the more work they control. That means there is less uncontrolled or independent work. This increases costs due to base fees or commission. Nearly impossible to earn a living unless you are tied to a dispatcher or app and they take their piece of skin for the privilege.

We are like a snake eating its own tail, full today but leading to our own destruction and rebirth on the dole.

Just have to read the posts back in the bad days about how controlling the dispatchers and apps were. Taxi drivers seem to be like goldfish, no long term memory, all about the moment.


As for Eircab, it is working in the background, setting up corporate and legal structures for driver membership, finding a good tech partner firm to develop a custom app that is owned by the co-op, including all data. Watching, learning, in no hurry and waiting to pick up the pieces after the commercial app war .

A 'real' co-op with one member, one share, one vote. Only way that can be changed is if there is a unanimous vote at a AGM or EGM.

It is envisaged that there will be a once off €100 admin membership fee to cover setup costs. Nothing to pay after that except a reducing commission and maybe a dividend return to drivers.

The co-op will register a private limited company to run the taxi app. The co-op will always have a controlling share in the company and this will be stated in the company's constitution.

Other elements of the co-op and the app will include:

Full Transparency.

One member, One share, One Vote and a voice at Annual General Meetings.

Fair division of work, all drivers are equal, none are more equal than others.

Reducing commission based on volume of work completed.

Credit card and Account work paid next day.

Credit card transaction fees covered by commission including street work!

No discounts, Ever!

Our own voice in the industry.

+ ?......  tell us, what have we missed?



No jobs for the boys, even me, once it is established, I am hopefully heading to a journalistic and academic career. What's in it for me?, That I made a difference and it will look good on my CV.


I respect all opinions about Eircab, for and against, it may work or maybe it won't, but if no one tries, it definitely won't. The co-op needs seven people to co sign its registration, I can get seven bodies to do that but I would rather get people on board that are passionate about our industry even if they have doubts or different opinions. That way it would have the best chance as an optimist's view may miss important issues and vice versa. There will be no reward other than giving back. PM me if you are interested in being founders of the co-op. All names put into hat and six pulled out and witnessed in a public place to be determined. Eh, unless you think the seven should be pulled out of the hat, then their is a risk that my name might not come out and I am cool with that if the seven are up to the job, I can be an adviser and join as a member later.

The co-founders will form the provisional board until elections are held at the first AGM. The co-founders will have an input and set out the rules/constitution/charter for the co-op.

All members will have access to Board Minutes and decisions by logging into their member account on the co-op website.


I genuinely 100% want it to work and have no agenda other than a comment on my CV and if all my career plans fail I can work away in the co-op/app as a taxi driver into my seventies, I hope.
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: john m on March 19, 2018, 05:09:17 am
+ ?......  tell us what have we missed? For this to work you need critical mass  .How do you intend to achieve this .Most drivers will understand that for this to work they must abandon any other app .Do you think that drivers are going to cut off their nose to spite their face by abandoning an app that makes money for them now in favour of using one that might make money for them in the future .The Logic of the situation is if some drivers abandon their present app and move over to your app then those drivers who remain with their present app will get more work off the app as the amount of drivers operating it will reduce .Your idea might sound good in your head but I dont believe it has 1% possibility of success just like Whistle and I wouldnt give FLAG much chance of success either they will only be a niech player .WE the drivers gave Hailo about 50 MILLION to help set up their app .No PUC cost drivers free waiting time cost drivers but it helped Hailo build a brand .What have you got to help you build your brand .Word of mouth is worthless to Sharon or Sean who want a taxi now .You dont have the drivers to provide that service so they simply wont use your app .FLAG know this and are offering free comission plus a fiver per job to drivers to turn on their app .

  As I asked in another post who are the investors in  FlAG who are ponying up for all the advertising and free fivers I hope they have deep pockets .6% commission is not viable .Have you done any Market Research  or cost based annalyses on running costs ,Advertising ,Staff wages , What is the average e hail fare or what figure did you use when calculating income over expenditure .I note you give no actual commission rate in your prospectus .Your main selling point seems to be that its a CoOp run by drivers .In your Business plan research what figure did you get for drivers actually interested in a CoOp.

Another interesting line in your prospectus {€100 membership once off admin fee. Nothing to pay after that except a reducing commission and eventually a dividend return to drivers.} 0% commission would lead to 0 income so in order to pay a dividend you would have to charge a % of commission above running costs to generate that dividend .So one of your selling points is a built in promise to overcharge for the service to generate a dividend .that makes absolute no sense charging drivers extra so you can give it back to them .

Here is an interesting conundrum you say in your proposal .{One member, One share, One Vote and a voice at Annual General Meetings.

Reducing commission based on volume of work completed.}Now its obvious from your first line that all shareholders are equal but then you say reduced commission based on the volume of work .Well Im a day time driver wotrking my patch building the brand but my patch is slow another driver is in a vibrant patch where his earnings are way above mine and according to the rules I must subsidize him by paying higher commission .Seems a bit Orwellian ,All drivers are equal but some drivers are more equal than others .Iwould seriously review your T&Cs

Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: U Wha on March 19, 2018, 06:14:49 am
+ ?......  tell us what have we missed? For this to work you need critical mass  .How do you intend to achieve this .Most drivers will understand that for this to work they must abandon any other app .Do you think that drivers are going to cut off their nose to spite their face by abandoning an app that makes money for them now in favour of using one that might make money for them in the future .The Logic of the situation is if some drivers abandon their present app and move over to your app then those drivers who remain with their present app will get more work off the app as the amount of drivers operating it will reduce .Your idea might sound good in your head but I dont believe it has 1% possibility of success just like Whistle and I wouldnt give FLAG much chance of success either they will only be a niech player .WE the drivers gave Hailo about 50 MILLION to help set up their app .No PUC cost drivers free waiting time cost drivers but it helped Hailo build a brand .What have you got to help you build your brand .Word of mouth is worthless to Sharon or Sean who want a taxi now .You dont have the drivers to provide that service so they simply wont use your app .FLAG know this and are offering free comission plus a fiver per job to drivers to turn on their app .

  As I asked in another post who are the investors in  FlAG who are ponying up for all the advertising and free fivers I hope they have deep pockets .6% commission is not viable .Have you done any Market Research  or cost based annalyses on running costs ,Advertising ,Staff wages , What is the average e hail fare or what figure did you use when calculating income over expenditure .I note you give no actual commission rate in your prospectus .Your main selling point seems to be that its a CoOp run by drivers .In your Business plan research what figure did you get for drivers actually interested in a CoOp.

Another interesting line in your prospectus {€100 membership once off admin fee. Nothing to pay after that except a reducing commission and eventually a dividend return to drivers.} 0% commission would lead to 0 income so in order to pay a dividend you would have to charge a % of commission above running costs to generate that dividend .So one of your selling points is a built in promise to overcharge for the service to generate a dividend .that makes absolute no sense charging drivers extra so you can give it back to them .

Here is an interesting conundrum you say in your proposal .{One member, One share, One Vote and a voice at Annual General Meetings.

Reducing commission based on volume of work completed.}Now its obvious from your first line that all shareholders are equal but then you say reduced commission based on the volume of work .Well Im a day time driver wotrking my patch building the brand but my patch is slow another driver is in a vibrant patch where his earnings are way above mine and according to the rules I must subsidize him by paying higher commission .Seems a bit Orwellian ,All drivers are equal but some drivers are more equal than others .I would seriously review your T&Cs

John these aren't T&C's yet and are far from complete, they have to be fully determined by a Board. It is all in my head and notional at the moment. But where do you start except in someones head.

Loyalty to ones own app does cause a conundrum, all I can say John is I don't have all the answers. Ideally drivers would abandon other apps but in the real world bills have to be paid. Maybe a strategic approach could be adopted, use the other apps tactically day to day to suit but with a long term strategic approach of reducing and promoting ones own app.

Converting people is a something that needs serious thinking, Hailo incentivised drivers to promote the app in car with referral codes and bonuses. You remember the traditional dispatch companies tried to discourage that with dismal failure, something MR Boyle didn't learn or wasn't aware of when he tried to tell whistle drivers they couldn't take other work.

We can get their subversively, undermine the system while living it. My opinion is that I would suggest a slow deliberated approach, what is the hurry. Hopefully more input over time from members might help to discover or evolve a solution.

As for the full cost breakdown, not even in that mindset yet. If we wanted, we  could draw from existing operators and predict costs. My suggestion about reducing commission is from my observations from the posts on this forum and how the apps are reacting to current economic and market conditions.

The Eircab Board would calculate annual costs (as it is not for profit) and estimate traffic based on membership and average daily/weekly/monthly/annual work per driver and set the minimum commission rates required to cover it.

The idea of reducing commission is that drivers that work more pay less. I didn't say 0% commission.

Drivers interested in the Co-op?  haven't a clue to be honest, hoping a significant proportion, if the message is delivered effectively.

Based on Whistle propaganda, they got 2000 drivers to pony up €50 with a dodgy enough proposal. 

Equal membership. One member, one share, one vote relates to the ownership and voting on policy decisions at AGM's. my cheeky reference to Orwell was meant to indicate that no one individual or group could takeover, ever, unless everyone at an AGM voted for it. These are my thoughts John, It will be up to the 7 founders to decide on the first constitution, but I hope to advocate my views on it.

Membership as detailed above and Commission are separate issues. Any SPSV driver can be a member but they will pay a higher commissioner for the first (to be determined) number of jobs and reducing on a scale thereafter.  This is meant to ensure that drivers that do more don't pay more than is determined to be fair. One might do 4 jobs a week and another one might do 80 jobs a week. The more work you do the less commission you pay, unfortunately it may not be zero commission. It is possible if the co-op/app was a success that their would be enough drivers and enough work, so that at some point the costs as determined by the Board would be met and any surplus could be returned to drivers by way of dividend or by what ever means as determined by the Board.

Higher commission for fewer jobs covered would be fair to drivers that cover more work for app as the drivers that dip in and out would pay more. How that works exactly is to be determined, I don't have all the solutions yet, need team work to do that.
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: dalymount on March 19, 2018, 01:37:31 pm
i don't know why you just cannot find your own work, and fuck all these apps, and radios ? I'm not with any of them, and I do alright
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: dalymount on March 19, 2018, 01:41:15 pm
you will all say I'm right when the revenue walk into their offices some day and ask for of details of your earnings from these radio companies, and if you think for one minute that Ebbs, Kearns, or Kelly won't hand it over you'd be mistaken
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 19, 2018, 05:27:07 pm
You've reached the right destination via the wrong route there, DM. Revenue won't (and can't) demand information behind your back. However, should you be selected for audit it will expect you to have full and complete records to support your tax return. For drivers that work for mytaxi et al that obviously includes your weekly invoices showing commission charged (relevant takings = commission charged / 12 * 100) and, for all drivers, that includes shift reports produced by your taximeter.

However, compliance is often more about perception than enforcement hence the Swedish taxation authorities found that compliance is vastly improved among taxi drivers who subscribe to dispatch firms that rely on technology. Human nature determines a tendency to assume that something that is apparently undeniable is, in fact, undeniable hence drivers who work for mytaxi et al are likely to assume that it would be folly to declare a takings figure below their ascertainable mytaxi takings. Extrapolate that in you mind for at least a few hours and, putting yourself in a Revenue Auditor's shoes, think of a subset of drivers within which you might expect to uncover significant rates of non-compliance.
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 19, 2018, 05:36:03 pm
You can put my name in the Hat, UW. No need for the secrecy of the PM system as far as I'm concerned!
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: U Wha on March 19, 2018, 06:59:02 pm
You can put my name in the Hat, UW. No need for the secrecy of the PM system as far as I'm concerned!

Cool RC, anyway that lads want to send their Names is good, draw will be done in public.
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: dalymount on March 20, 2018, 09:57:59 am
well you can say what you want, but time will tell.
I'm not just guessing what might happen, I know for a fact there is something in the wind regarding taxi drivers , and their earnings.

i only work about 25 hours a week, and am fully compliant.
is it not the case that sometime ago , mytaxi published the earnings of their highest paid driver
they have done this on a few occasions.
they , along with Ebbs, Kearns, Kelly, etc etc will hang their drivers out to dry .
i just earn what I need ob a weekly basis which is a relatively small amount, and my accountant looks after my affairs
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 20, 2018, 01:41:06 pm
I'd say most drivers working for mytaxi et al are fully compliant these days. It'd be silly not to be. You are right to a large extent. The days of going to a 60 buck accountant who just asks how much tax you want to pay are coming to an end... and it'll be a bitter end for some.
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: dalymount on March 20, 2018, 08:02:25 pm
i couldn't agree more.as I've already said I know for a fact that there is a move on to look closely at drivers earnings.to an extent they brought this upon themselves by spouting about how much they are earning here, and other forums assisted by mytaxi who made a point of publishing how much a driver can earn in a week. if memory server me right, I believe mr Kearns ALSO was at pains to point out how much a driver could earn by joining him in his taxi empire
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: watty on March 20, 2018, 08:23:16 pm
I wonder...

There was no taxi drivers mentioned in last week's tax defaulter's list.  First time ever? 

A year or two ago, Revenue went after 10 or 20 medical consultants and got millions out of them.  Revenue would have to target 1000's of taxi drivers to get a million in taxes.

If I were a Revenue manager with a limited budget, I'd target the higher earners.  Best bang for your buck.  And, every now and then, make an example of the odd 'small guy' just to keep most of them on the straight and narrow?
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: U Wha on March 21, 2018, 03:51:42 am
I wonder...

There was no taxi drivers mentioned in last week's tax defaulter's list.  First time ever? 

A year or two ago, Revenue went after 10 or 20 medical consultants and got millions out of them.  Revenue would have to target 1000's of taxi drivers to get a million in taxes.

If I were a Revenue manager with a limited budget, I'd target the higher earners.  Best bang for your buck.  And, every now and then, make an example of the odd 'small guy' just to keep most of them on the straight and narrow?

Agree 100%
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 21, 2018, 01:34:09 pm
I guess Revenue have been presented with data that appears to contradict average returns from a wide range of sources. Posts on fora are situation specific and hearsay at best. Unions have complained of individuals with relatively highly paid jobs driving taxis for extra income, obviously they wouldn't be doing that if it wasn't financially viable in relative terms. Dispatch operators have suggested various figures to support recruitment objectives, etc. However, the real kick in the testicles came from NTA. It determined that Revenue figures could not be relied upon, opting to conduct a survey of drivers in it's attempt to ascertain earnings.

Of course, Revenue do have bigger fish to fry... much bigger fish. Hence the recent operation down below in Cork tackling compliance among Rickshaw drivers. These millionaires are clearly trousering tens of thousands of euros every night while the likes of JM and Korky have to work in excess of 140 hours/week to put beans on their toast.
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: watty on March 21, 2018, 05:49:56 pm

Of course, Revenue do have bigger fish to fry... much bigger fish. Hence the recent operation down below in Cork tackling compliance among Rickshaw drivers. These millionaires are clearly trousering tens of thousands of euros every night while the likes of JM and Korky have to work in excess of 140 hours/week to put beans on their toast.
I'd imagine that was a multi-agency approach to tackle drugs, illegal immigration and whatever you're having yourself rather than simply Revenue offences.  The Revenue guys probably went along for the overtime and a chance to get out of the office?
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 21, 2018, 06:13:52 pm
Would a multi-agency approach work for taxis?

https://www.herald.ie/news/suspect-taxi-drivers-to-be-targeted-by-gardai-after-200k-drugs-bust-35550182.html (https://www.herald.ie/news/suspect-taxi-drivers-to-be-targeted-by-gardai-after-200k-drugs-bust-35550182.html)

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/thug-taxi-drivers-dealing-cocaine-5331008 (https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/thug-taxi-drivers-dealing-cocaine-5331008)

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/taxi-driver-caught-with-cocaine-twice-in-a-year-keeps-his-licence-35337290.html (https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/taxi-driver-caught-with-cocaine-twice-in-a-year-keeps-his-licence-35337290.html)

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/taxi-driver-sold-coke-to-pay-his-kids-maintenance-35050909.html (https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/taxi-driver-sold-coke-to-pay-his-kids-maintenance-35050909.html)

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/criminal-court/taxi-driver-jailed-after-being-caught-with-drugs-worth-300-000-1.3005500 (https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/criminal-court/taxi-driver-jailed-after-being-caught-with-drugs-worth-300-000-1.3005500)

... to mention but a few.
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: watty on March 21, 2018, 06:31:23 pm
Tis merely a few bad apples  lol
Title: Re: Mind your backs
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 21, 2018, 06:34:41 pm
Millions, no more than that, thousands according to SC and the unions.