Irish Taxi Forum
Public Area => Taxi Talk => Topic started by: john m on March 25, 2018, 11:28:11 am
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Two jobs this weekend both on full fare but how do drivers cover HSE work at huge discounts .Friday evening manager from Dealz on Thomas Street call me over from the rank to the shop and asks will I take an old lady .i say Ok he then produces a little old lady in her 90s who wants to go to Cherry Orchard .I load up her messages and take her by the elbow and help her into the car .Im talking to her and ask why she goes all the way to Thomas Street to shop that there is a new Lidil in Cherryorchard .She tells me she can go where she likes and then tells me she wants to go to Mc Donalds on Kylemore to get something to eat so we go get Chicken Nuggetts Chips and Coffee and a Hot apple slice .Then back to Cherry Orchrd Hospital where they have built a new sheltered unit .I drop her off .I have to put a number into a keypad to open the door bring in her shopping help her in and as she warns me dont leave the door open most of the residents are not allowed out .This is the type of work HSE taxi drivers do on a regular basis for up to 40% discount .
Then last night Im driving down the Crumlin Road and a Garda flags me down and asks can I take a job ?He explains he has a kid and his Social worker who need to go Northside I pull in and wait .Young lad is very distressed wants to fight the Gards his Key worker and me .Got the kid and his Social worker to where they needed to be .
On both occasions I provided a compassionate ,professional service .But I wonder why taxi dispatch companies are offering silly discounts to the HSE for very stressfull work .I was talking to a driver who went WAT and said he is fed up already with his local Community Welfare office ringing him to pick up wheelie passengers some young adults with special needs without any supervision or assistance .He is a Taxi driver not a care assistant .
I have great respect for the Garda ,Community Workers Nurses ,Social workers who look after needy people .I often listen to their Unions call for a decent wage for their members so I wonder why taxi dispatchers are offering a discount and not requesting a premium for providing an essential service .
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Not all HSE jobs are discounted.
A lot would be Ad Hoc jobs.
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Any time a Garda flags you down it's for rubbish neither he nor you want to deal with. Just say you're on a call which is as difficult to cancel as a speeding ticket.
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Not all HSE jobs are discounted.
A lot would be Ad Hoc jobs.
I thought “ad hoc” HSE work was charged at 90c per km with the currrent Cork taxi contractor?
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Two jobs this weekend both on full fare but how do drivers cover HSE work at huge discounts .Friday evening manager from Dealz on Thomas Street call me over from the rank to the shop and asks will I take an old lady .i say Ok he then produces a little old lady in her 90s who wants to go to Cherry Orchard .I load up her messages and take her by the elbow and help her into the car .Im talking to her and ask why she goes all the way to Thomas Street to shop that there is a new Lidil in Cherryorchard .She tells me she can go where she likes and then tells me she wants to go to Mc Donalds on Kylemore to get something to eat so we go get Chicken Nuggetts Chips and Coffee and a Hot apple slice .Then back to Cherry Orchrd Hospital where they have built a new sheltered unit .I drop her off .I have to put a number into a keypad to open the door bring in her shopping help her in and as she warns me dont leave the door open most of the residents are not allowed out .This is the type of work HSE taxi drivers do on a regular basis for up to 40% discount .
Then last night Im driving down the Crumlin Road and a Garda flags me down and asks can I take a job ?He explains he has a kid and his Social worker who need to go Northside I pull in and wait .Young lad is very distressed wants to fight the Gards his Key worker and me .Got the kid and his Social worker to where they needed to be .
On both occasions I provided a compassionate ,professional service .But I wonder why taxi dispatch companies are offering silly discounts to the HSE for very stressfull work .I was talking to a driver who went WAT and said he is fed up already with his local Community Welfare office ringing him to pick up wheelie passengers some young adults with special needs without any supervision or assistance .He is a Taxi driver not a care assistant .
I have great respect for the Garda ,Community Workers Nurses ,Social workers who look after needy people .I often listen to their Unions call for a decent wage for their members so I wonder why taxi dispatchers are offering a discount and not requesting a premium for providing an essential service .
Because the cab company is happy with their whack out of the total amount of the account,the drivers just have to put up with the individual hardship involved with either unpaid helpfulness or discounted work or both.
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Wouldn't do them jobs if my life depended on it, I certainly wouldn't stop for old people with shopping bags as the job would take too much effort and time plus you have to listen to their war stories usually in a soft whisper while your gagging from the smell of stale piss.
If a cop stops you to do a fare its only trouble.
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Your average driver forced to do a HSE job, by a FBC (Fat Base Controller).
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Wouldn't do them jobs if my life depended on it, I certainly wouldn't stop for old people with shopping bags as the job would take too much effort and time plus you have to listen to their war stories usually in a soft whisper while your gagging from the smell of stale piss.
If a cop stops you to do a fare its only trouble.
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Your average driver forced to do a HSE job, by a FBC (Fat Base Controller).
HSE discount in Dublin is 20%; yes its a pretty hefty wedge but at the same time its guaranteed work. Dialysis patients going in 52 weeks a year; social workers going on magical mystery tours all over Dublin; wheelie jobs from different hospitals to nursing homes and back, then straight into to the next wait and return run because they dont have enough escorts. No driver is 'forced' to do any job. If you dont want it dont do it but I've seen lads who are regularly pulling in over 1k a week on their dockets alone (before cash or cc) and a good chunk is HSE work.
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A grand a week is only good if you can do it in 40 hours.Truth is of yer covering that much work you won't have time to cover cash work.Like when Vinny used to brag about drivers earnings but always forgetting to mention that his drivers were working 6am to 6pm sometimes 6 days a week.If ya worked that many hours Mackers you'd be getting a grand a week.Same goes for most jobs.
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when will you accept, THE FUCKING DRIVERS are giving these discounts, not the scumbag radio companies. they only claim the credit for it. they are a bit like my wife, very generous,she would give you my last pound
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A grand a week is only good if you can do it in 40 hours.Truth is of yer covering that much work you won't have time to cover cash work.Like when Vinny used to brag about drivers earnings but always forgetting to mention that his drivers were working 6am to 6pm sometimes 6 days a week.If ya worked that many hours Mackers you'd be getting a grand a week.Same goes for most jobs.
Spot on. I remember Vinny commenting on a driver in X-Prat who killed himself, about being a good worker, clocking over 70 hours per week, and still not making ends meet.
What's a grand a week (40 hours) less costs, fuel, car repayments/RENT, uniform, insurance, commisssion, subscription (read FREIGHT), you'd be lucky to clear €188.00. /while the dole, AFAIK know is approximately ...€188.00.
Could you really trust anyone who thinks a working week is 70/80 hours?
They will never undertand the difference beteween EARNING and CHURNING, but that's the reson they drive a cab.
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silvermost of the costs you mansion the drivers would not have if they went out and got their own work and told the scumbag radio owners to stick their radios where the sun dont shine. its really not hard to find street work
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Diesel €100 (assuming you'd need to fill up twice a week to cover €1,000 of work).
Car €60 (€3,000/year)
Uniform €4 (€200/year)
Insurance €50 (€2,500/year)
Freight/Commission/Bribery €110 (?)
€1,000-€324=€676
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are you being serious ? you have to pay for your uniform as well so that you can advertise kearns company for him ?
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I'm not sure, I just priced the list SB compiled. You could probably add another €10-12 for all the little things he overlooked... licence fees, etc. I know drivers who work for mytaxi qualify for free leisure ware if they achieve Ambassador status but they have to cover their car with the company livery, provide mytaxi clients with Champagne and Frerro Rochers and sing the company song at the start of every 14 hour shift. When I worked for C2K the uniforms were free and freight was €90 including all bribery/credit costs.
I did participate in a free trial with Xpert a few years back. As far as I recall we got free shirts... based on my experience at that time, I'd be extremely surprised if drivers aren't getting at least a grand Mon-Fri.
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Diesel €100 (assuming you'd need to fill up twice a week to cover €1,000 of work).
Car €60 (€3,000/year)
Uniform €4 (€200/year)
Insurance €50 (€2,500/year)
Freight/Commission/Bribery €110 (?)
€1,000-€324=€676
Socialcharge .Income tax should mop up the odd 76 so 600 a week divided by 60 hours = 10,00 an hour .Oxfam the charity that fucks refugees are paying street fundraisers 11.25 an hour .As a committed Hippy what price on your health sitting a yard behind an active exhaust pipe spewing filth into the air conditioner of the wreck you are driving .Big Dommos RIP overweight Grandson was getting 15 an hour into his hand working as a Santy over the Christmas .
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silvermost of the costs you mansion the drivers would not have if they went out and got their own work and told the scumbag radio owners to stick their radios where the sun dont shine. its really not hard to find street work
"Scumbag" An ejaculated semen holder, hardly a nice thing to call a fellow human being, while telling other drivers what they should do. Most despatch company owners are ex taxi drivers who saw a business oppurtunity to provide a much used middle man between client and driver, the need for this human intervention has been superseded by technology. All taxi drivers are working on their own in the car, and no significant number have ever had any desire to unite, long term, towards a common objective. It is an industry of independant sole traders with different working agendas. Significant employment offered by the despatch companies is being lost, as in many other industries, to technology.
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you must be one such owner, or investor in one of these SUCMBAG radio companies since you speak so highly of them.you, like so many more in the industry probably do not have the capability of working on your own initiative, and need to be told what to do.very sad
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A service to provide non street pick ups is essential, and unfortunately the state leaves this to private enterprise. It also allows private enterprise to supply your tyres, fuel, and car service requirements. All decisions as to whether to use these are left to the driver. I have no reason to believe that despatch company owners are not kind to their mothers and leave a few quid for the VDP at Christmas. I believe that a few even do voluntary work in the community. Live and let live. Your rhetoric to date would not inspire confidence as a unifying force.
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A service to provide non street pick ups is essential, and unfortunately the state leaves this to private enterprise. It also allows private enterprise to supply your tyres, fuel, and car service requirements. All decisions as to whether to use these are left to the driver. I have no reason to believe that despatch company owners are not kind to their mothers and leave a few quid for the VDP at Christmas. I believe that a few even do voluntary work in the community. Live and let live. Your rhetoric to date would not inspire confidence as a unifying force.
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maybe I would not inspire unity, but at least I'm capable of finding my own work, and do not need to be treated like an employee by a scumbag radio company.you, however appear to be incapable of working on your own inititive .you say your a sole trader, did Mr Kelly, Kearns, or Ebbs give you permission to say that ? ha ha
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Diesel €100 (assuming you'd need to fill up twice a week to cover €1,000 of work).
Car €60 (€3,000/year)
Uniform €4 (€200/year)
Insurance €50 (€2,500/year)
Freight/Commission/Bribery €110 (?)
€1,000-€324=€676
If you're a down and out in Newmarket Square, you're looking at €420 for car and insurance.
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Daly, you've said previously that you don't need to earn much to survive. Other drivers need a lot to survive. Every driver is different and we all have different modus operandi as to how we all earn our monies.
I've made my own work and have a great business with a large American company but that work isn't everyday. Plus there are drivers that like to change their shifts or don't like working certain times due to the clientelle.
In my own case, I can work for 5 or 6 hours a day and make enough but someone else might need 10 hours to make the same amount.
It's all business and your business model would be akin to a Spar Shop only selling Spar products. Look how that worked for Lidl/Aldi when they first opened, they have now expanded their ranges and carry a good few branded products on their shelves, Tayto crisps, Coca Cola to name just a few
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Dalymount what's the story are you the chap that owned the other forum that got closed down?.It's like ya woke up from a coma and yer pissed off.All these things have been happening gradually over the last 5 years.Just saying...
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vikkiz
i most certainly am not questioning what shift a driver works, or how long he works, or even what area he works. what i am questioning however is, why drivers allow these scumbags to treat them as though they were employees.
drivers have given up the right to operate their business on an independent basis to a bunch of crooks who continue to treat them like dirt by laying down rules that drivers must adhere to.
my point is, the only function of a taxi radio company is the provision of work to the drivers who align themselves with it.
their remit does not extend to insisting drivers wear a particular type of clothing [ie uniforms] for which the driver must pay, it does not extent to offering discounts on the drivers behalf to customers , it most certainly does not extend to disiplianing drivers for giving back heavily discounted work, and now im told that you even have to more or less apply for your holidays ?
what i am respectfully suggesting to the drivers is, you dont need them, but they do need you.so why are you giving them the power to run this industry.
if there were none of these companies there would still be the same amount of work, but it would be a level playing field
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If we don't embrace credit cards 100% we're gonna keep getting hammered by the apps.
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Cab companies have been around for a long time now and will be around for a while longer. They provide a service to people looking for taxis and accounts for companies.
In regards to uniforms and discounts, if a driver aligns themselves to a company then they accept to wear the uniform. I have had no problem wearing a uniform while with a cab company. At least the drivers looked more professional than some lads in jeans and good and others in tracksuits and football jerseys. Certain businesses like to see a bit of professionalism in the industry and so do I.
During the recession, cab companies done what they did to drum up business, as shops do have a sale ( have you never bought anything on sale, or even in a different country because it was cheaper??)
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yes your right. during the resession cab companies done what they could to drum up business. like one cab company in particular has its drivers illegally standing for hire in the forecourt of numerous Dublin city hotels, and even threatening any driver whois not aligned to them, not to dare pick up from that hotel.
this is just one example of the type of hardman approach adopted by at least one of these companies. is this the type of professionalism your talking about? as for the wearing of tracksuits etc etc i agree,but i think its fair to say those days are largely gone now, and most independent drivers reconise, and respetc that and dress approapriatly
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Bullying isnt acceptable at all but they had paid for the right to park outside said hotel for their drivers to earn some money.
Plus for the customer, if anything happrned it could be traced back to a driver as opposed to just a driver in a Skoda Octavia
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well if they paid, then they are guilty of a FURTHER illegal act.
i would seriously suggest you read the Dublin street vehicle document as published by Dublin city council . in it you find the legislation regarding the illegal standing for hire.
it clearly specifies the places where taxis can stand for hire, and hotel car parks is not one of them.
these regulations are agreed in conjuction with national transport authority rules also.
as regards the company paying for them to stand for hire, can you please explain why the NTA enforcement officers have brought successful prosecutions against these drivers for just such activity ?
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No I can't explain anything Daly. Why don't you ask the NTA
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i have done so, and Mr Fullerton assured me that my observations were correct, but in order to establish that a driver is illegally standing for hire, an enforcement officer has to engage that driver as a fare, in order to secure a successful prosecution .
the NTA have gone to court on a number of occasions in relation to this matter.
at the end of the day these drivers acting illegally are potentially stealing your work, and you defend them as being professional ? if your happy with that level of professionalism, then who am i to argue
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These drivers certainly ain't stealing my work. I rarely do hotel work unless it's a prebooking
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thats not what i meant. what im saying is, because they are camped in the hotel car park, they are taking the work coming out of the hotel instead of it getting as far as the street, and as a result, you could be the looser
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A service to provide non street pick ups is essential, and unfortunately the state leaves this to private enterprise. It also allows private enterprise to supply your tyres, fuel, and car service requirements. All decisions as to whether to use these are left to the driver. I have no reason to believe that despatch company owners are not kind to their mothers and leave a few quid for the VDP at Christmas. I believe that a few even do voluntary work in the community. Live and let live. Your rhetoric to date would not inspire confidence as a unifying force.
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Well put Harry !
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thats not what i meant. what im saying is, because they are camped in the hotel car park, they are taking the work coming out of the hotel instead of it getting as far as the street, and as a result, you could be the looser
Your a 'Tree-hugger' Dalymount, your not living in the real world.
Do you complain in Centra when your buying your milk fer a Euro ?
Knowing that they buy it in fer 50 cents !
Do you complain in Topaz when buying your fuel fer 1.30 per liter ?
Knowing that they buy it in fer .70 cent per liter !
Everything costs, including Radio and App Taxi work, staff have to be
paid as does rent/lecky, Etc, Etc..
Nobody is making a fortune, if there were then we would all be doing it !
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when will you accept, THE FUCKING DRIVERS are giving these discounts, not the scumbag radio companies. they only claim the credit for it. they are a bit like my wife, very generous,she would give you my last pound
Is it Compulsory to use Radio and App Taxi work in Dooblin ?
Do they force ye to wear uniforms and pay base subs and commission costs ?
Down here in Cork, it's a lot simpler, ya can pick and choose which base or app that
you wish to work with, and you don't Have to work any of them if you don't wish to.
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Fullerton doesn't know his arse from his elbow. NTA have no jurisdiction over private property.
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rat
i have to agree with you there, so much so that one could be forgiven for thinking that he to is on the payroll of a certain radio company who shall remain nameless
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Eddie fullofshite as I like to call the english wanker
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not sure your right when you say NTA have no juristriction on private grounds, this has been a bone of contention for a long time now. DCC, and NTA make the point that a taxi can only stand for hire at an officially appointed taxi rank,or stand. and as a hotel car park is nether, anyone doing so is in breech of the rules. as i say, i dont know for sure, and am open to correction. john m usually has a view on this matter, as least he used to i dont know if he still does or not
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Did Uber or Hailo/MyTaxi have a private taxi stand inside the RDS for one of the Web Summits a few years back? Did anything happen over that? Did the NTA issue a strongly-worded letter or anything about it?
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i dont know, but when scab2000000000 tried to take over the burlo some years ago, fullerton arrived up with a letter telling them they could not do it as far as i remember
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The Burlington can do what it likes on it's own property. There are plenty of examples of private/restricted ranks including The Pavilions Shopping Centre, Clayton Hotel (Clonshaugh) and, of course, Dublin Airport.
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so if its the case that hotels can operate private ranks on their forecourts , why then were the NTA enforcement team so successful in securing so many prosicitutions in court for that very reason ? im told that the drivers who engaged legal representation to defend this action , advised them that what you just said would not stand up in court
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your Wan running KCR was/is a Solicitor, obviously not very good.
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Well I dont kniw anything about her,but it certainly seems to be contrary to what RCsays.
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I heard none of the cases went to court, DM. If memory serves, there may have been some issue surrounding planning permission that effectively prevented the Burlington from operating a rank but that obviously doesn't apply to the Clayton (Clonshaugh), The Pavilions S.C. or Dublin Airport. Could be that the relevant restrictions are only applicable with DCC's administrative area?
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Again I think tour wrong rat.I actually spoke to an enforcement officer who confirmed that it is indeed illegal for these drivers to be standing for hire in the car parks.he did however also say that it is not all that easy to secure a conviction in court.they have to approach a driver and get him to take them a short distance first before they can do him for illegally standing for hire he also told me a number of convictions had been secured in court and the monthly release of the statistics would appear,to confirm this.u less of course thwy are spoofing
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There weren't any relevant court reports posted on here or on Roys. We usually see reports of any case involving a taxi driver. Why are private ranks still operating at the Clayton and the Pavilions S.C. - it'd hardly be difficult for an enforcement officer to hire a taxi at a taxi rank?
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Well I can only tell you what I was told,but they did confirm it was illegal
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Ain't Liffey valley and the square run the same?
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yes Tony they are. its also admitted by enforcement that it is illegal. their argument is, the only place a taxi may stand for hire is at an officially appointed taxi rank and as these car parks are NOT offical taxi ranks, any driver standing for hire, is in breach of the rules governing the industry regardless of wether its private property or not.
but will they act to stop it ? will they fuck.as i have already said i wonder does the pay roll of these taxi companies just extend to the various hotels, or should we look a little closer to home.
however its something that is not going to stop anytime soon, so i might as well let it drop, and just accept that illegallity is rampant in the industry, with no desire to stop it
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...... its also admitted by enforcement that it is illegal. their argument is, the only place a taxi may stand for hire is at an officially appointed taxi rank and as these car parks are NOT offical taxi ranks, any driver standing for hire, is in breach of the rules governing the industry regardless of wether its private property or not....
....but will they act to stop it ? will they fuck....
so if its the case that hotels can operate private ranks on their forecourts , why then were the NTA enforcement team so successful in securing so many prosicitutions in court for that very reason ?......
Which is it ?
You seem to be contradicting yourself a lot these days Dalymount.
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The Burlington can do what it likes on it's own property. There are plenty of examples of private/restricted ranks including The Pavilions Shopping Centre, Clayton Hotel (Clonshaugh) and, of course, Dublin Airport.
I'd go along with Rats on this one, getting a prosecution on private property is a legal quagmire.
Even our own number 1 Cork radio presenter got away with having a Public 'Tommy Tank' on an
aeroplane, because the plane was moving on the runway and seemingly no one had jurisdiction
fer his civil crime on a moving plane on a runway, no charges were ever brought before a court.
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The NTA enforcement officer told me id does not matter if it is private property or not.the fact is,NTA and DCC rules overide any arrangement a cab company has with a hotel when it comes to illegally standing for hire.
The problem for the NTA is is trying to establish if the driver,was responding to a call from the hotel,or if he is just there waiting for work to emerge by chance. This is why they have to engage the driver to take them a short distence,or see if he says he is not available as he is responding to a call
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They can fine lads for plying for hire in unappointed stand/area.It is illegal the way the cab companies do this.
Unless other drivers complain they'll just keep wasting their time checking safety kits.Why the fuk are inspectors asking to see safety kits.Same shit again in Heuston yesterday.I never use the stupid thing.You'd think the useless fuks could be more productive..
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its all about fines and making money for the NTA, thats all they are interested in. just like the penalty points saga, that is also a money making racket by the dept of justice
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There are still Cab2000 greedy fuks parking inside the gates of the Ballsbridge hotel snaring the work before it gets to the rank.As a result other drivers abandoned the Landsdowne rank.I'm sure the Corpo would love that rank turned back to car parking spaces as it's not getting the drivers anymore.
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a few years ago we placed pickets on the hotel to get them out of there, but they are back in again now illegally so i might add according to enforcement gut they seem reluctant to do anything about it.i also cannot believe the crivers who use the official rank outside have thrown in the towel
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Drivers move on.It's no fun watching your work getting robbed through the fence by some greedy knob in a shirt.Besides there's work in other areas so it won't become a problem until things go quiet again.
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your probably right MFH. but i doubt if the drivers will fight even then. but on the flip side maybe a lot of these cab companies who are engaging in this illegal practice will be gone by then.run out of by apps. i live in hope
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if it becomes the case that alignment becomes legally binding, would it be such a bad thing that one national dispatcher to which we all must sign up be introduced, set up,and run by government under the remit of the dept of transport
i would also suggest there be no fees incurred by drivers [ie] base fees, commssion fees,etc etc.
we would be providing a service to the public which would hopefully be run on a fair basis . no more work going out the back door to base mans cronys , no more being treated like employees, and the possibility of pension entitlements at a later stage.
i would like to see these benefits , and more, while at the same time maintaining our self employed status. this would eliminate tha radio companies from the industry, while at the same time making it a level playing field for all
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It'd be easy to fine the lads at the shopping centres, if that's what they wanted to do. The fact is, it's private property so they have no jurisdiction. There may be a requirement for planning permission to operate a private rank in DCCs administrative area but that obviously doesn't extend beyond the city limits.
I presume you mean PSV penalty points, DM. Since I heard of that scheme being introduced I haven't read any reports of any being issued, not even to drivers convicted of overcharging and drug dealing. As far as penalty points on normal driving licences go, there aren't nearly enough issued. An Garda Siochana have no interest in enforcing the rules of the road. Only last night I was overtaken by 13 taxis on O'Connell St while driving at the maximum permissible speed of 30 kilos per hour. How am I supposed to earn a living when I have to compete with a bunch of villains who flaunt the law with impunity?
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I was talking to an auld fella a while ago. Aa taxi driver for many years.he told me going back many many years ago there was courtesy amongst drivers.one would not pass another till the first one got a fare.he said he would take the fucking paint of their doors now trying to get past, because todays drivers have made him that way.
I blame them fooking blax
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Everyone drives like s cunt until you confront them then they're windy fuks.I hit the rear bumper of a keshie on the quays a few years ago after a dangerous overtake that he did and he didn't even notice or get out of the car.Just kept going.
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Your right there,when tou catch up with them at the next traffic lights its like a father ted moment please change lights pleeeeese
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i would also suggest there be no fees incurred by drivers [ie] base fees, commssion fees,etc etc.
OMG ! Square brackets !
It's been a while since anyone posted on here with Square brackets !
"Every Gun makes it's own Tune" n' all dat !
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So what, its hardly a major crime