Irish Taxi Forum
Public Area => Taxi Talk => Topic started by: Korky on March 25, 2018, 01:17:42 pm
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Uber never expanded outside of Dublin, and here in Cork mytaxi has exploded in the last year, they are the dominant taxi provider now by a country mile. Uber definitely fiddled while Rome burnt, if they hadn’t been so determined to introduce rideshare they could easily now be Ireland’s biggest taxi dispatch firm. It took a european court ruling to dampen their rideshare asperations . How do Uber and mytaxi compare popularity wise in Dublin?
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They don't have many taxi drivers left on the system.The limo service does well I'm told.Some of my taxi customers have mentioned using it on the weekends to impress their mates.
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Uber only exists in Dublin to serve it's globe trotting international clientele. As far as Dublin is concerned it has never suggested any intention to operate rideshare in breach of regulation, a policy that it consistently follows throughout Europe. It, along with Daimler et al, continues to lobby in favour of rideshare and develop autonomous vehicle services that will eventually supersede rideshare/taxi/hackney/limousine services that are dependent on human providers.
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I'd like to know where all the drivers for these Autononomous vehicles are supposed to come from ?
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http://www.euronews.com/2018/04/04/denmark-hits-1200-former-uber-drivers-with-additional-tax (http://www.euronews.com/2018/04/04/denmark-hits-1200-former-uber-drivers-with-additional-tax)
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Flag and Whistle have been quiet latelyou. Haven't seen much marketing from either. What happened to Flags big Google backed campaign?
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Remember the song another one bits the dust ?
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https://youtu.be/hZYbI30qpwo
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The ruling some time ago,regarding uber,and the employment status of its drivers. Was this a British court that decided they were employees,or was it the European court ?I cant quite remember,but I think it was the British court.
The reason im asking is,if it was tge European court that decided,then surely the radio companies operatiing in Ireland would be subject to the same rules and be obliged to provide sinilar befefits to their drivers ? Especially as they tgemselves seem to believe the drivers are their employees
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The European court of justice only ruled that Uber were a taxi company and therefore had to adhere to each member states individual taxi rules and regulations.
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Oh ok thanks for clarifying.I don't know why I thought they ruled that the drivers were employees,I must have been thinking of something else
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Uber is still lobbing
They haven't gone away u know
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As long as that call centre in Limerick is open they will keep plugging away.
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The ruling some time ago,regarding uber,and the employment status of its drivers. Was this a British court that decided they were employees,or was it the European court ?I cant quite remember,but I think it was the British court.
The reason im asking is,if it was tge European court that decided,then surely the radio companies operatiing in Ireland would be subject to the same rules and be obliged to provide sinilar befefits to their drivers ? Especially as they tgemselves seem to believe the drivers are their employees
As well as the ECJ case, there was another one in the UK where a union took Uber to an employment tribunal which ruled....
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/uber-drivers-employees-full-rights-court-appeal-lose-ordered-treat-ride-sharing-app-taxi-a8047316.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/uber-drivers-employees-full-rights-court-appeal-lose-ordered-treat-ride-sharing-app-taxi-a8047316.html)
Uber has lost its appeal against a landmark ruling ordering it to treat its drivers as workers, paying them minimum wage and affording them rights including sickness and holiday pay. The business giant vowed to launch another appeal in the case, which could affect 40,000 drivers in London and has prompted concern among customers over potential price rises. Uber sent only one representative to an Employment Appeal Tribunal hearing in London, which was packed with supporters of its drivers James Farrar and Yaseen Aslam.
The Tory UK Govt wants to change the law to have another category between employee and self-employed to cover things like Uber and Deliveroo.
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Oh ok thanks for clarifying.I don't know why I thought they ruled that the drivers were employees,I must have been thinking of something else
Thought I read something like that toof. Might have been in another jurisdiction.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2017/06/13/uber-drivers-should-be-legal-employees-with-benefits-judge/amp/#ampshare=https://nypost.com/2017/06/13/uber-drivers-should-be-legal-employees-with-benefits-judge/ (https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2017/06/13/uber-drivers-should-be-legal-employees-with-benefits-judge/amp/#ampshare=https://nypost.com/2017/06/13/uber-drivers-should-be-legal-employees-with-benefits-judge/)
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So therefore its likely that at some time in the future the radio companies operating here will have to provide similer benefits to its drivers ?
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So therefore its likely that at some time in the future the radio companies operating here will have to provide similer benefits to its drivers ?
I doubt it, taxi rates are decided by the Nta/regulator, Uber decide the rate for their drivers, deciding that in effect makes them an employer
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Well apart from the fact that all our radio companies seem to think they are the drivers employers anyway,to some extent they also decide the price of work when they are offering discounts to the HSE , and others at drivers expense
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So therefore its likely that at some time in the future the radio companies operating here will have to provide similer benefits to its drivers ?
I doubt it, taxi rates are decided by the Nta/regulator, Uber decide the rate for their drivers, deciding that in effect makes them an employer
I wouldn't be too sure of all that Korky, Uber lost the original case brought by Two UK Uber drivers and then also lost on their First appeal hearing, a Second appeal is in process to the highest court in the UK, the supreme court.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/nov/24/uber-to-take-appeal-over-ruling-on-drivers-status-to-uk-supreme-court (https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/nov/24/uber-to-take-appeal-over-ruling-on-drivers-status-to-uk-supreme-court)
If the English supreme court goes against Uber's appeal, then radio companies all over the globe are gonna start getting worried and you can be sure someone somewhere will take a case against a radio company, if they win their case then it will be the domino effect.
And the simple solution fer radio companies all over the globe will be to close rather than pay Holiday and Sick pay.
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well if it does work out that radio companies have to treat the drivers as employees, this will represent no change as they ALREADY treat you as though you were their employees. hopefully now, they will have to pay you for the priviledge
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I think I’ll email mytaxi to book a couple of weeks off in July..
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Its getting there korky.I couldnt believe it what somebody told me the dispatchers wont let you take time off around christmas,I thought it was a joke
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The relevant provisions within UK employment law do not exist in Irish Law so don't get too excited, DM.
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I live in hope RC',but I wont get carried away till I see the for sale signs up over the doors of the enemy
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I think I’ll email mytaxi to book a couple of weeks off in July..
And ask them will they give you your Holiday Pay in advance ? lol
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I think I’ll email mytaxi to book a couple of weeks off in July..
And ask them will they give you your Holiday Pay in advance ? lol
Just woke and not feeling the best.... how do I let Mytaxi know that I’m taking a sickie today?
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Ya need to text/ring/email them requesting a 'Sick day' and they will
revert to you and let you know if your request is allowed or denied !
rofl
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Uber to become Taxis in the future ?
lying taxis and Ireland's own 'supersonic' train: The future of public transport
Hyperloop pods could cover the Dublin to Cork route in 15 minutes flat.
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The way we live is changing fast. Every fortnight in our new Future Focus series, supported by Volkswagen, we’ll look at how one aspect of everyday life could change in the coming years. This week: public transport.
‘ROADS? WHERE WE’RE going, we don’t need roads.’
When 2015 rolled around and hoverboards or flying cars still weren’t the transport norm, we scoffed that Back to the Future II had gotten it all wrong.
But three years later, Doc Browne’s assertion isn’t all that far away from the truth. Right now, you can put a deposit down for a PAL-V Liberty Pioneer Edition – otherwise known as a flying car.
The three-wheeled PAL-V Liberty can reach speeds of 160kmh on the ground and 180kmh in the sky. The Pioneer Edition will set you back €499,000, and the Sport Edition, which will be released at a later date, will cost a mere €299,000.
The first set of keys for the PAL-V, the world’s first commercially available flying car, will be handed over in 2019. It’s not quite as soon as Back to the Future predicted, but it seems like we’re on the way.
For the PAL-V Liberty you’ll need a pilot’s licence as well as a driver’s licence, but it’s not the only flying car in production.
Chinese-owned manufacturer Terrafugia, based in Massachusetts, has two flying cars in the pipeline for the coming years. The second of two, the TFX, is expected to fly autonomously – meaning you won’t need more than a driver’s licence to soar through the sky.
So, perhaps Doc wasn’t wrong. But while flying cars will fulfil the childhood dreams of many, their high price point means they’ll probably continue as the toys of the very wealthy, rather than becoming a daily mode of transport.
For those of us without a few hundred thousand euro in the bank, there are plenty of changes ahead in the world of public transport too.
Flying taxis are expected to be tested by Uber from 2020 and launched commercially from 2023. They’ll fly passengers from rooftop to rooftop in cities, avoiding the ground entirely.
Uber has signed a deal with none other than NASA to develop its 200mph electric aircraft for trial in three selected cities worldwide. By the time LA hosts the 2028 Olympics, flying Ubers are expected to be fully operational there.
Dubai is another one of Uber’s trial locations, but the city has already made significant inroads into a self-flying taxi service with German start-up Volocopter.
Volocopter VC200 The two-seater Volocopter VC200 drone in action in Germany in 2016.
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Back in September, Volocopter began trials with its two-seater vehicle, the Volocopter 2X, in the city.
The trials will continue for five years, and by 2030, it’s hoped autonomous vehicles will handle a quarter of all journeys in Dubai.
As for busses, while a flying commute home is a fair way off yet, driverless busses on the ground are already becoming the standard in locations around the world.
Self-driving buses have been running since 2016 on a pedestrianised route in Sion, Switzerland, and in the last few weeks they have begun to navigate regular traffic too.
In parts of the US and Europe, university students can ‘hail’ a driverless minibus via app to ferry them around campus. Olli busses are 3D-printed too, meaning manufacturing costs are low, and labour hours even lower.
Test run of driverless mini bus 'Olli' An Olli test run in Berlin, Germany in 2016.
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But if you want to go full-on Futurama, possibly the most revolutionary form of public transport in our future is hyperloop, which first came into public imagination when Elon Musk issued a white paper on the subject in 2012.
Hyperloop is a theoretical (for now) transportation system made up of pods which travel through underground tunnels. Using magnetic accelerators in a low-pressure tube, hyperloop pods can move at the speed of sound, meaning that a journey from Dublin to Cork would take less than fifteen minutes.
CA: Corporations in California A Hyperloop test track at the SpaceX HQ in Hawthorne, California.
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Since Musk’s paper, businesses have been working on turning the idea into a reality. Hardt Global Mobility is aiming to build a hyperloop between Amsterdam and Paris by 2021 – a very lofty aim.
Here in Ireland, we have some skin in the game too. In February of this year, Team Éirloop beat around 700 entrants to reach the final 20 in Elon Musk’s annual Hyperloop Pod Student Competition.
Made up of students from colleges all over the country, Team Éirloop members will travel to California in July 2018 to show off their invention.
“Our pod will go at 540kmh. It’s faster than the fastest Formula One cars and it’s coming from Ireland,” says Akhil Voorakkara, spokesperson and head of electronics for Éirloop.
“It’s not just about doing something really cool, it’s about showing the world that Ireland is… a real force for the future.”
eirloop Part of Team Eirloop's prototype vision.
Source: Facebook/Team Eirloop
Team Éirloop members are currently fundraising to buy parts for their pod, and to transport both it and themselves to California.
Could hyperloop ever be a realistic transport model for Ireland, though? “We do understand how long it takes for countries and governments to make this kind of stuff happen,” says Voorakkara.
“We’ve got our pod planned so that despite being a prototype, it will be able to transport cargo. We see this as a realistic application for Ireland in the near enough future… We might not be the first country to get it, but we’re definitely going to get it.”
If Voorakkara’s prediction sounds unrealistic, it’s worth noting that the company working on the Paris to Amsterdam hyperloop system is a former winner of the same SpaceX contest.
With that in mind, it was no doubt somewhat disappointing for future-focused types like Voorakkara to read the Ireland 2040 plans and see no mention of hyperlood. Instead, the big reveal for public transport was merely a metro service which other European countries have had for decades.
Where Ireland is going, we’ll definitely need roads, for the time being at least. But if the enthusiasm of Team Éirloop is anything to go by, Ireland’s public transport will be leading at least some of the advances into the future.
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http://www.thejournal.ie/future-of-public-transport-future-focus-series-3947082-Apr2018/ (http://www.thejournal.ie/future-of-public-transport-future-focus-series-3947082-Apr2018/)
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https://www.ft.com/content/2f9c88c8-3c9e-11e8-b9f9-de94fa33a81e (https://www.ft.com/content/2f9c88c8-3c9e-11e8-b9f9-de94fa33a81e)
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I can't view that without logging in, Vikkiz. What's your username and password for the Financial Times?
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I can't view that without logging in, Vikkiz. What's your username and password for the Financial Times?
I don't know how I seen it as I'm not a subscriber either.
The European Court of Justice has dealt another legal blow to Uber, just a few months after the Luxembourg court ruled that the ride-hailing app should be regulated like a traditional taxi company.
Judges at the EU’s highest court on Tuesday ruled that the French government was within its rights to pass a criminal law in 2014 banning some illegal transport services without first notifying the European Commission of its plans. Tech companies are granted an additional layer of protection from national legislation in the EU with draft laws affecting them needing to be approved by Brussels.
Uber had challenged France’s bypassing of the notification system after it was taken to court by a taxi driver in Lille for running its UberPop service that used unlicensed drivers. Uber was fined €800,000 under the law in 2016 after two of its executives were found to have run an illegal service.
The ECJ said the EU’s 28 member states were allowed to “prohibit and punish the illegal exercise of a transport activity such as UberPop without having to notify the commission in advance of the draft legislation laying down criminal penalties for the exercise of such an activity”. Campaigners for digital companies said the ruling threatens to reduce the regulatory protection that tech companies have in the EU.
The decision is the latest against Uber in Europe. In December the ECJ ruled that Uber should be classified as a taxi service, rather than a purely digital intermediation service, which opened it up to tougher transport national legislation in the EU. Uber has been under intense global scrutiny after a series of crises, including hiding details of a mass data breach from regulators, the alleged use of spy tactics and its failure to report sex attacks by its drivers. Travis Kalanick quit as chief executive last year and was replaced by Dara Khosrowshahi.
In London, Uber has appealed against a decision by the regulator to block the renewal of its licence to operate in the capital. The city’s transport authority plans to overhaul regulations for taxis, in a move designed to increase oversight of ride-hailing companies such as Uber.
The company said in a response to the French decision that the ruling would have little impact on its operations; the UberPop peer-to-peer service was suspended in 2015. The company now works only with licensed drivers in most of the EU. “As our new CEO has said, it is appropriate to regulate services such as Uber and so we will continue the dialogue with cities across Europe,” Uber said. Under EU law, governments wanting to regulate companies offering services in the digital economy have to first notify Brussels of their draft laws to ensure they comply with the rules of the single market. In its ruling the ECJ said national EU laws regulating Uber’s operations did not need to be scrutinised by the European Commission because Uber was a transport company rather than an “information society service”. “It follows that the French authorities were not required to notify the commission in advance of the draft criminal legislation in question,” said the ECJ. Damien Geradin, a partner at Euclid Law in Brussels, said the court’s decision was a blow for how tech companies are regulated in the EU. “It means that the European Commission will have limited power to prevent the adoption of national restrictive provisions affecting all sorts of digital platforms, which will impact the development of the digital sector as a whole,” said Mr Geradin.
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Uber haven't given up on rideshare here
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Neither have Daimler/BMW or anyone else.