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Title: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: john m on October 18, 2018, 09:35:59 am
Rumour has it that the taxi thingey are proposing the reintroduction of transferability of saloon licences .The reason the age profile of drivers is creaping up and they believe that non transferability is locking drivers in who might want to retire and if they could pass on their licence they might retire and be replaced by younger drivers .Is this a good idea a Saloon licence would only be worth a few grand as WAT licences are available for 120 yoyo.The danger is Metaxi who control a lot of work could build their own fleet and feed their own drivers which in the long run would reduce drivers earnings .A fleet owner with work could have multiple drivers on each vehicle .


 There is also a suggestion that all taxies must have Credit Card facilities ,this will impose extra costs on drivers as we can not charge a transaction fee back to the customer .

 What do you think of these proposals ?
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: mercenary for hire on October 18, 2018, 10:27:09 am
I doubt there are many with the funds to retire that are hanging on for another few thousand.The last recession cleared out lots of savings accounts.

There are no cheap wheelchair accessible electric taxis.To get more leccy taxis in the fleet they need saloon plates.
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: john m on October 18, 2018, 10:35:56 am
Transferability if it is restored might see the likes of Metaxi offer to plate up electric vehicles .I suppose a condition of transfering a saloon plate could be you must fix it to an electric or low emissions vehicle .Im not sure if this proposal is genuine I have not been able to verify it .Im sure Bubba would have more info he seems to keep his ear to the ground .

If they do allow transferability Im sure there will be a few 100 who will move on .The real danger is an app provider with plenty of work mopping up the good jobs for their own fleet drivers to offset the rental fees .Remember in the review the Department said they wanted ALL drivers alligned to a dispatch they also said ALL cars should in time be cashless .

 Some drivers think the review was just window dressing but it is actually government policy for the future of the industry .
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: The Liffey Lip on October 18, 2018, 10:42:17 am
The system needs funding to keep it going. Honda stopped making the 50 and 90 club because nobody ever needed to buy a second one. Pirates need to keep robbing to survive.
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: mercenary for hire on October 18, 2018, 10:48:20 am
I think you give Mytaxi too much credit Erm. They're only one mistake away from losing everything. I was in the pub recently and met up with some other drivers and everyone is getting scared about the volumes of card work and increasing tax bills. Especially in the last two years. Mytaxi are actually the problem not the solution.The NTA can force cards all they want but we will still say our machines are broken if we feel like it.
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: john m on October 18, 2018, 10:53:13 am
You have made my arguement for me .Drivers dont want the Metaxi work so they will build their own fleet .
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: mercenary for hire on October 18, 2018, 11:05:34 am
If yer man in Flag changed his app to a cash-only app with limited traceability he'd be very busy.No surprise that AIB is supporting him.
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: dalymount on October 18, 2018, 11:09:11 am
jesus wept. how many more times. there is no need for ANY disgussions around mytaxi, or any other dispatcher. DRIVERS CALL THE SHOTS, not disptchers,yet drivers seem determined to allow the tail wag the dog. wake up drivers YOU are in charge of this industry.even the fukking NTA would have to fall in line with your demands if you only had the balls to do what is nessesary. why do you continue to allow yourselves to be pushed around by dispatchers ? John talks about the fear drivers have of what mytaxi, and other dispatchers might,or might not do. does he not realize they cannot do  fukking ANYTHING WITHOUT DRIVERS . i say to you all, grow a pair. take back control of your industry. dont be lapdogs for dispatchers any longer. punterswill soon get used to hailing a cab on the street again,and this also creates a level playing field for all,and at the same time you can put your would be employers out of business
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: john m on October 18, 2018, 11:18:22 am
If yer man in Flag changed his app to a cash-only app with limited traceability he'd be very busy.No surprise that AIB is supporting him.

It wont be long before cash is done away with .I was talking to a bloke last week he asked did I take card I do I have SumUp .He said great I asked him if he ever got a wage packet ?he said no his coin is paid direct into his bank .I asked does that not piss you off .You work you get paid then you pay your bank to let you have your own money .He said I never thought of it like that .Cashless is the future that way you can spend credit if everything was cash then you can only spend what you have in your pocket .Flag has a big problem it puts the onus on the driver to ideentify drunk students who will use it when they are broke .I avoid students at the best of times never mind late at night after coppers .
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: The Liffey Lip on October 18, 2018, 11:23:32 am
 Getting young folks to abandon technology would be akin to asking Macra na Feirme to appoint McGregor as communications officer.
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: john m on October 18, 2018, 11:25:42 am
jesus wept. how many more times. there is no need for ANY disgussions around mytaxi, or any other dispatcher. DRIVERS CALL THE SHOTS, not disptchers,yet drivers seem determined to allow the tail wag the dog. wake up drivers YOU are in charge of this industry.even the fukking NTA would have to fall in line with your demands if you only had the balls to do what is nessesary. why do you continue to allow yourselves to be pushed around by dispatchers ? John talks about the fear drivers have of what mytaxi, and other dispatchers might,or might not do. does he not realize they cannot do  fukking ANYTHING WITHOUT DRIVERS . i say to you all, grow a pair. take back control of your industry. dont be lapdogs for dispatchers any longer. punterswill soon get used to hailing a cab on the street again,and this also creates a level playing field for all,and at the same time you can put your would be employers out of business

Dollymount look at the amount of cars stickered up for Metaxi drivers like it and when they decide to knock drivers off for an hour if they refuse two or three offers they still wont complain .I can see the day comming when Metaxi offer drivers a contract where they must hit a % of acceptance .Lad rang me one day and wondered why my acceptance rate was only 7% .
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: dalymount on October 18, 2018, 11:50:42 am
John I just cannot understand why you,or other drivers cannot see that you are holding all the aces.do you not realize without drivers,there is absolutely NOTHING they can do.
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: Octavia1 on October 18, 2018, 11:54:09 am
Rumour has it that the taxi thingey are proposing the reintroduction of transferability of saloon licences .The reason the age profile of drivers is creaping up and they believe that non transferability is locking drivers in who might want to retire and if they could pass on their licence they might retire and be replaced by younger drivers .Is this a good idea a Saloon licence would only be worth a few grand as WAT licences are available for 120 yoyo.The danger is Metaxi who control a lot of work could build their own fleet and feed their own drivers which in the long run would reduce drivers earnings .A fleet owner with work could have multiple drivers on each vehicle .


 There is also a suggestion that all taxies must have Credit Card facilities ,this will impose extra costs on drivers as we can not charge a transaction fee back to the customer .

 What do you think of these proposals ?
A
If my jaxi introduce we'r the arse lickers get more work than the ordinary hero like meself....
Does that not mean that the punter be waitin longer?  An I'll get a pain in me Bollix
Watchin the brown noses gettin all the cream.... An then turn the app off an go inta uber or flag or sumtin else?
 Therefore reducing the numbers of myjaxi drivers therfore increasing waitin times..... An causin the punter to look for an alternative?
.....So

Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: john m on October 18, 2018, 11:56:54 am
John I just cannot understand why you,or other drivers cannot see that you are holding all the aces.do you not realize without drivers,there is absolutely NOTHING they can do.

Your rose tinted view is wrong they have done exactly what I said on Roys they would do .Workcapture they have the work and drivers want the work .Its game set and match to them .They control about 20% of the work .Paddy or Maureen want a taxi waiting when they want it not when the driver decides to turn up .The war is lost the app is the future ,cashless is the future ,Tech has changed the industry just as it changed many others .
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: dalymount on October 18, 2018, 11:58:47 am
Ocky never forget we,the drivers are in charge of this industry,but unfortunately drivers decide on a daily basis to give that power away to dispatchers
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: Octavia1 on October 18, 2018, 12:00:14 pm
I cancelled 7 jobs in a row sat night an nobody rang me........
"I'll be out in a couple of minutes is that alright"?
That's code for...... I'm finishing me pint and your goin to wait for me cause I'm more important than you and your a little cunt "
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: dalymount on October 18, 2018, 12:04:33 pm
No rose tinted glasses John,they only have the work,because they ha e the drivers.no drivers,no apps,or dispatchers.if the game is over,its only because drivers are allowing it be over.as I have said many many times we can operate without them,but they most certainly cannot operate without us yet inspite of that scenario,drivers stil allow the tail to wag the dog. Hows rhat for logic ?
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: Octavia1 on October 18, 2018, 12:05:25 pm
Ocky never forget we,the drivers are in charge of this industry,but unfortunately drivers decide on a daily basis to give that power away to dispatchers
Yea daily... I believe actually that mytaxi don't give a fuk wats goin on now...... Their ambition is to control the autonomous taxi industry.... Then they'll ride uz all without vaseline
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: john m on October 18, 2018, 12:06:49 pm
No rose tinted glasses John,they only have the work,because they ha e the drivers.no drivers,no apps,or dispatchers.if the game is over,its only because drivers are allowing it be over.as I have said many many times we can operate without them,but they most certainly cannot operate without us yet inspite of that scenario,drivers stil allow the tail to wag the dog. Hows rhat for logic ?

Logically illogical The Punters want the app the punter pays the driver no punter no pound simple as .
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: mercenary for hire on October 18, 2018, 12:07:18 pm
I couldn't find the longer version of this vid but it's still good.
https://youtu.be/9zAu3_ne2GI
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: john m on October 18, 2018, 12:09:18 pm
The answer is simple Transport for Ireland should provide an app as part of our licence fee ,but drivers will say then they will know what we earn .So what if you earn it then you pay your taxes and prsi and social charge just like every other worker .
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: mercenary for hire on October 18, 2018, 12:13:03 pm
They already know what we earn thanks to Vinny ,Ebbs and Mytaxi.
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: The Liffey Lip on October 18, 2018, 12:15:20 pm
John I just cannot understand why you,or other drivers cannot see that you are holding all the aces.do you not realize without drivers,there is absolutely NOTHING they can do.

Your rose tinted view is wrong they have done exactly what I said on Roys they would do .Workcapture they have the work and drivers want the work .Its game set and match to them .They control about 20% of the work .Paddy or Maureen want a taxi waiting when they want it not when the driver decides to turn up .The war is lost the app is the future ,cashless is the future ,Tech has changed the industry just as it changed many others .

Free Alexa's next........"Alexa, how many sovs did I earn on Mytaxi last night, cash only?".
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: The Liffey Lip on October 18, 2018, 12:16:18 pm
They already know what we earn thanks to Vinny ,Ebbs and Mytaxi.

As i asked before, who needs Smart tech? 8)
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: Shallowhal on October 18, 2018, 12:20:21 pm
John I just cannot understand why you,or other drivers cannot see that you are holding all the aces.do you not realize without drivers,there is absolutely NOTHING they can do.

Your rose tinted view is wrong they have done exactly what I said on Roys they would do .Workcapture they have the work and drivers want the work .Its game set and match to them .They control about 20% of the work .Paddy or Maureen want a taxi waiting when they want it not when the driver decides to turn up .The war is lost the app is the future ,cashless is the future ,Tech has changed the industry just as it changed many others .

Free Alexa's next........"Alexa, how many sovs did I earn on Mytaxi last night, cash only?".

Sure you already have one "Alexa" in your ear!!
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: dalymount on October 18, 2018, 12:21:27 pm
Firstly John drivers dont seem to have a problem declaring on here their approximite  earnings anyway stupid as it is,secondly do you seriously think punters would stop using taxis because of none availability ?what did they do before there were apps,or dispatchers ?all we need to do,is change the mindset.get them used to the fact that if they want a taxi,then all they have to do is wave.there is enough of us out there ffs. Also on friday,and Saturday nights how many apps ,or dispatchers issue work when the city is hopping  ? Answer none.the punters are delighted to get a taxi off the street.all drivers have to do is reintroduce that culture,and nindset
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: dalymount on October 18, 2018, 12:42:04 pm
Its as clear as fukking day,that control of our industry is there for the taking by the drivers,yet they shy away from it.I have thought about this a lot,and the only conclusion I can draw from it is,some of them have a fear of working for themselves (even though they do anyway) and are institutionalised from their days in the PAYE  sector,and others just like being told what to do .these are the only conclusions I can draw from a situation where men want to give control of THEIR industry to a bunch of bloodsuckers like dispatchers.I have even heard storys of drivers being physically intimidated for picking up at certain hotels
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: mercenary for hire on October 18, 2018, 03:28:05 pm
Back to leccy cars...I wonder if a new entrant might be able to argue that they're at a disadvantage by not being allowed to access the various grants available to new EV owners vs buying a WAT.
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: Bubba Ho-Tep on October 18, 2018, 04:58:05 pm
Ahem........
My guess is : One transfer allowed. New licencee can keep saloon for 9 years. On changing vehicle after 9 years (or sooner ? ), new licencee must supply a WAT .

A large % of drivers are over 50 / 60 , so they might take the sell option. The NTA have flagged the aging drivers already. New WATs are costing them grant money. Here`s a way of rejuvenating the work force with the added bonus of new WATs coming into the fleet down the line with no cost to NTA.

 They might have a sliding scale for the new saloons before changeover to WAT , for example : 9 year licence might apply to cars that are 3 years ? old. A 4 year old car gets 8 years, 5 gets 7 ,6 gets 6 etc. 

If I was in NTA making this proposal, this would be my thinking behind it.


http://intaxi.org/forum/index.php?topic=9256.msg79156#msg79156 (http://intaxi.org/forum/index.php?topic=9256.msg79156#msg79156)
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: Bubba Ho-Tep on October 18, 2018, 05:02:57 pm

 There is also a suggestion that all taxies must have Credit Card facilities ,this will impose extra costs on drivers as we can not charge a transaction fee back to the customer .

 What do you think of these proposals ?

If it`s included in the next fare review, they`ll incorporate a rise in the starting fare as they did with luggage charge I`d imagine.
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: john m on October 18, 2018, 05:13:34 pm
Ahem........
My guess is : One transfer allowed. New licencee can keep saloon for 9 years. On changing vehicle after 9 years (or sooner ? ), new licencee must supply a WAT .

A large % of drivers are over 50 / 60 , so they might take the sell option. The NTA have flagged the aging drivers already. New WATs are costing them grant money. Here`s a way of rejuvenating the work force with the added bonus of new WATs coming into the fleet down the line with no cost to NTA.

 They might have a sliding scale for the new saloons before changeover to WAT , for example : 9 year licence might apply to cars that are 3 years ? old. A 4 year old car gets 8 years, 5 gets 7 ,6 gets 6 etc. 

If I was in NTA making this proposal, this would be my thinking behind it.


[url]http://intaxi.org/forum/index.php?topic=9256.msg79156#msg79156[/url] ([url]http://intaxi.org/forum/index.php?topic=9256.msg79156#msg79156[/url])


Only problem I can see with the WAT after you change car is why would you bother paying for a saloon licence when you can get a WAT for 120 .The price of the Saloon licence would then be dependent on the age of the vehicle and what happens if you write off the car .IF it is introduced it has to be a simple transfer of ownership of the Saloon Licence and not any vehicle .IF it is allowed I suppose the Minister could use his discression to say they must be fixed to Electric vehicles .Read somewhere that the target for EV was 200,000 by 2020 the figure today is 7000.If there was a grant for plating up a EV available to all saloon licence holders then you might see a good takeup .
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: Shallowhal on October 18, 2018, 05:18:50 pm
If there was a grant for plating up a EV available to all saloon licence holders then you might see a good takeup .

There is!!....it's actually grants!!
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: Bubba Ho-Tep on October 18, 2018, 05:21:39 pm
Ahem........
My guess is : One transfer allowed. New licencee can keep saloon for 9 years. On changing vehicle after 9 years (or sooner ? ), new licencee must supply a WAT .

A large % of drivers are over 50 / 60 , so they might take the sell option. The NTA have flagged the aging drivers already. New WATs are costing them grant money. Here`s a way of rejuvenating the work force with the added bonus of new WATs coming into the fleet down the line with no cost to NTA.

 They might have a sliding scale for the new saloons before changeover to WAT , for example : 9 year licence might apply to cars that are 3 years ? old. A 4 year old car gets 8 years, 5 gets 7 ,6 gets 6 etc. 

If I was in NTA making this proposal, this would be my thinking behind it.


[url]http://intaxi.org/forum/index.php?topic=9256.msg79156#msg79156[/url] ([url]http://intaxi.org/forum/index.php?topic=9256.msg79156#msg79156[/url])


Only problem I can see with the WAT after you change car is why would you bother paying for a saloon licence when you can get a WAT for 120 .The price of the Saloon licence would then be dependent on the age of the vehicle and what happens if you write off the car .IF it is introduced it has to be a simple transfer of ownership of the Saloon Licence and not any vehicle .IF it is allowed I suppose the Minister could use his discression to say they must be fixed to Electric vehicles .Read somewhere that the target for EV was 200,000 by 2020 the figure today is 7000.If there was a grant for plating up a EV available to all saloon licence holders then you might see a good takeup .

Again, I`m just surmising, but NTA might stop issuing WAT licences or grants for a duration in order for the saloon licences transferred to reach their "WAT changeover date". I`m hearing that will be 6 years after transfer. If it works as I think it should, NTA will be en route to a 100% WAT fleet with no cost in grants to them.
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: john m on October 18, 2018, 05:35:22 pm
Problem with a full WAV fleet is costs a lot of part timers would leave the business then Brenda and Brendin start complaining about waiting time and that might open up the market to rideshare or minibus .I do agree with you a full WAT fleet must be the end game dont think it will effect you or me Bubba we will be retired by the time it happens .
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: Bubba Ho-Tep on October 18, 2018, 05:45:16 pm
Problem with a full WAV fleet is costs a lot of part timers would leave the business then Brenda and Brendin start complaining about waiting time and that might open up the market to rideshare or minibus .I do agree with you a full WAT fleet must be the end game dont think it will effect you or me Bubba we will be retired by the time it happens .
Indeed.
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: mercenary for hire on October 18, 2018, 07:17:19 pm
The NTA said recently their target was 10% wats and that they're almost there.To me that means they're happy with 10%.Dunno what thread I put it in.The 100% target will never be a reality unless someone makes a magical electric wheelchair taxi that only costs 20k.

The London lads still only have a hybrid leccy wheely thing that costs mental money.

There's no way they'll keep pushing dirty diesel WATs on us just to increase the accessibility for a few wheelchair users in the current anti-diesel climate.

Even Dublin Bus arent allowed to buy diesel buses after next year.The mood has changed quickly.Mobility impaired customers come second to potential cancer patients.I'm not investing another cent until I see how they're gonna fuk things up.
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: Bubba Ho-Tep on October 18, 2018, 08:12:53 pm
The NTA said recently their target was 10% wats and that they're almost there.To me that means they're happy with 10%.Dunno what thread I put it in.The 100% target will never be a reality unless someone makes a magical electric wheelchair taxi that only costs 20k.

Target is 100% by 2030 or 2035 . 10% already reached giving the NTA the get out of jail card if they stop issuing as Part Deux of their plan kicks in.

The London lads still only have a hybrid leccy wheely thing that costs mental money.

There's no way they'll keep pushing dirty diesel WATs on us just to increase the accessibility for a few wheelchair users in the current anti-diesel climate.


There`ll be EV/Hybrid WATs available in the next few years (London EV already here as you say )


Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: mercenary for hire on October 18, 2018, 11:51:46 pm
Ah so 2035... that makes more sense.I suspect that by then there wont be many shut ins as the medical community will have figured out how to do full body transplants..
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: Bubba Ho-Tep on October 19, 2018, 02:22:40 am
Ah so 2035... that makes more sense.I suspect that by then there wont be many shut ins as the medical community will have figured out how to do full body transplants..
Everyone falls into the % of wheelchair user trap.  The % doesn`t enter the equation because the % can`t get into every taxi while remaining in the wheelchair.
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: The Liffey Lip on October 19, 2018, 06:24:22 am
Ronnie the Robot won't mind hanging around James's all day.........."You have yourself a nice day human, and here's a leaflet on how to kick your H habit".

Everyone's gonna be redundant by 2035....or brown bread. lol
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: dalymount on October 19, 2018, 08:21:43 am
Considering the onslaught of driverless cars,and the other changes that are occurring within the transport sector,would a person not be insane to make an investment in a brand new car ?
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: The Liffey Lip on October 19, 2018, 08:25:52 am
Good few yrs left yet, Dalyer. Keep fighting them off.......go hybrid.
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: dalymount on October 19, 2018, 08:57:38 am
Yeah I suppose,hybrid,or electric is the way to go
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: john m on October 19, 2018, 09:04:18 am
In this game the fear is the Minister can determin what we drive .If the Leftie tree Hugging sandal wearing nut cutlet munching yogart Drinkers ie the Greens get back into government we might find it becomes mandatory for City drivers to have Electric Vehicles sooner than we think .Ross was a blowhard all mouth no action but Reich Fhurer Ryan or one of his minnions in the Dep of the Environment or Transport could enforce the EV rule already Dublin Bus have benn told to go Hybrid or Electric .

 Watching an investor confrence on line for Driverless vehicles and AI bloke from MIT says there is no such thing as Artificial Intelligence  computers can onlt do quick calculations based on what they know they do not have the ability to be intelligent ,with that in mind he says for all cars to be autonomous and handle all the data that existing computer power would have to increase by thirty thousand times what it is now .If driverless cars was or is possible then why are UBER going to sell off their autonomous car division before their IPO ?.
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: The Liffey Lip on October 19, 2018, 09:12:03 am
I'd be listening to Elon Musk ahead of any boffin in an ivory tower. This cunt has been given access to ferocious info by NASA.........robots are the future John..even sex-workers know it.
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: john m on October 19, 2018, 09:19:15 am
I'd be listening to Elon Musk ahead of any boffin in an ivory tower. This cunt has been given access to ferocious info by NASA.........robots are the future John..even sex-workers know it.

Musk is a total failure as a businessman .He has been used by NASA to set up spaceX to get private money to fund rocket science after Obama cut NASAS budget .Since Trump got elected and restored NASAS budget they no longer need MUsk probably explains why he is no longer the tech darling he was portrayed as ..I dont think there will be autonomous cars in my lifetime sure you cant get mobile phone coverage in parts of Dublin Metaxi app cant find an address  the data speed to control the position on every car on every road and every pedestrian simply does not exist and possibly never will.
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: The Liffey Lip on October 19, 2018, 09:29:34 am
So D'Wave Quantum Computing is a myth too? Find out for yourself.........denial John........denial. These guys exist. Bill Gates doesn't invest billions into A.I. because he's having a bit of a laugh. Robots are real.

Weathertec can even create rain..........all a great laugh and waste of trillions....... rofl

https://www.weathertec-services.com/company.html (https://www.weathertec-services.com/company.html)
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: john m on October 19, 2018, 09:36:32 am
Lip you are falling for this crap its is probable but not possible what they are doing is confusing fast calculation with intelligence .
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: The Liffey Lip on October 19, 2018, 09:40:57 am
I'm not falling for anything......I do my own checking of things out John....I know we are the enemy..blamed for everything from climate change to erecting the wrong statues. The lads who built the Pyramids knew more than the ordinary engineer............very dangerous to dismiss technology in my opinion. Money-men tend to back the right horses.

They laughed at Copernicus...........and Tesla.
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: The Liffey Lip on October 19, 2018, 09:46:12 am
I'd be listening to Elon Musk ahead of any boffin in an ivory tower. This cunt has been given access to ferocious info by NASA.........robots are the future John..even sex-workers know it.

Musk is a total failure as a businessman .He has been used by NASA to set up spaceX to get private money to fund rocket science after Obama cut NASAS budget .Since Trump got elected and restored NASAS budget they no longer need MUsk probably explains why he is no longer the tech darling he was portrayed as ..I dont think there will be autonomous cars in my lifetime sure you cant get mobile phone coverage in parts of Dublin Metaxi app cant find an address  the data speed to control the position on every car on every road and every pedestrian simply does not exist and possibly never will.

Who said autonomous? A fucking robot can cook your dinner man............Shanghai KFC all robots....wake the fuck up, will ya?

https://www.eater.com/2016/5/5/11597270/kfc-robots-china-shanghai (https://www.eater.com/2016/5/5/11597270/kfc-robots-china-shanghai)
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: john m on October 19, 2018, 09:49:35 am
not intelligence just doing what it was programmed to do totally different thing running a programme and AI next you will be telling me a toaster is intelligent .Big Blue played chess based on fast calculation of all the possible moves and outcomes that is fast calculation not intelligence .AI does not exist
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: The Liffey Lip on October 19, 2018, 09:51:21 am
It does here, it seems. Bit of cognitive dissonance all around here.......Machines can't think for themselves is what you mean? Yes........not yet. Most humans can't either though. The human who invented the toaster only wanted to make money......he didn't care if the idiot with the job of throwing bread under the grill in the hotel was going to be redundant.



Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: The Liffey Lip on October 19, 2018, 10:18:44 am
As for black spots in GPS systems and data speeds.........that's down to poor infrastructure...not bad technology. Most of this country hasn't even got 4g fibre-optic as we speak...
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: mercenary for hire on October 19, 2018, 10:51:25 am
I'm reposting this because it's still the best autonomous vehicle I've seen so far.
https://youtu.be/cfRqNAhAe6c
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: Shallowhal on October 19, 2018, 11:03:17 am
I prefer Red Dwarf...that wasn't really funny!
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Post by: The Liffey Lip on October 19, 2018, 11:06:48 am
Merc, autonomous is not what I was on about. Google have admitted their programme to replace the need for teachers in Yankee schools has stalled....it took a few yrs to go from 1 gig to 1 terabyte.
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: mercenary for hire on October 19, 2018, 11:06:56 am
No yer man hasn't a clue but the Jap looks like he's competent.As soon as I saw it going around the roundabout I knew we were fukked.
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: john m on October 19, 2018, 11:10:51 am
I'm reposting this because it's still the best autonomous vehicle I've seen so far.
https://youtu.be/cfRqNAhAe6c

Brilliant it cant overtake a bus ? its either driverless or its not ..and its not .He said cameras must be up high for vision so what happens if the vehicle in front is higher than the cameras .Once again salesmen selling Bottles of Smoke they mean computer assisted driving not driverless or autonomous .He also points out the major flaw and the one I point to as the reason it will never work .The car MUST be programmed never to hit a person .Pedestrians will know this so will just walk out in front of them .Try turning on to Aston Quay at 3 in the morning from Westmoreland Street it could take hours .Its Joe 90 stuff .Might work for busses or trams on dedicated road lanes but cant see it ever being rolled out as mainstream .Wonder how it would work with mounds of snow covering road markings and obscuring vision .Its a bit like sticking a second fanny on to your girlfriend seems like a great idea but the novelty would wear off .
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: mercenary for hire on October 19, 2018, 11:14:17 am
All it takes is google or Apple to bribe our government to build more pedestrian bridges and create more separation between the road and the footpath like what they do in Las Vegas.

The bus thing can be solved by having an autonomous bus that can communicate with other vehicles.Easily done.
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: john m on October 19, 2018, 11:31:15 am
Na Merc you or me will never be driving a driverless car and neither will anybody else ..See what I done there  rofl Also listen to the amount of power the on board computers need to work add that to the power to run an electric car and you have a semi mobile Chicken Shed .He was boasting the car had done nearly a thousand miles or if you like the sum total of testing was less than some taxi drivers weekly milage .Its all bollox .UBER are selling off their AUTONOMOUS car business and they are long term investors in transport so if they dont see a future in it you got to question is there a future in it .Im 56 if I live another 50 years I still dont see it .This is just another ponzi scheme for investors to pile into .
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: The Liffey Lip on October 19, 2018, 11:40:40 am
You're a Neo-Luddite, John. You remind me of the Marlboro man on horseback laughing at the fellow out jogging.
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Post by: Shallowhal on October 19, 2018, 12:23:53 pm
106 John.....if yer still kickin,you won't even know who's changing your nappy!!
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: The Liffey Lip on October 19, 2018, 12:28:51 pm
Toyota put in a bid for Uber's self-driving arm............Uber had to sell out to GRAB in SE Asia too..........they're the Ponzi scheme.
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: john m on October 19, 2018, 01:07:02 pm
Amazon share price is based on possible earnings in twenty years .Tesla never made a washer profit ,do you remember Enron all these shares are Ponzies the idea is picking the one that is worthless before the others deside to pay for them then selling them.Facebook according to some analists recon 60% of accounts are false and your adds are being sold to ghost pages .As our kid says why would young people want to be on something their Ma or Da is on .Remember sales men from Guinness explaining the Popularity of Pernod when it went on sale in the 70s in Ireland he said young people love it because their parents dont drink it .Unlike some shares UBER actually have a cash streamthey have very little assetts dont own the cars or the data head but they own the info and the customers .As I said on Roys if I had coin id invest .
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: The Liffey Lip on October 19, 2018, 01:14:13 pm
Elastic currencies..........Rothschild invention 1823............stick to the horses..safer.
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: Shallowhal on October 19, 2018, 01:18:43 pm
Was yer burd drinking Pernod when you met her John?
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: Bubba Ho-Tep on October 19, 2018, 01:22:35 pm
Autonomous vehicles are hamstrung by the recharge time. If NTA/Mytaxi/Uber/Merc etc wanted to replace the 7000 taxis in Dublin atm, they`d need at least 14,000 taxis to provide 24/7 service. They`d also need a huge warehouse with hundreds, no thousands of charge bays. If and when lekky can be plucked out of thin air, maybe they will, until then, autonomous vehicles won`t take over.
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: Bubba Ho-Tep on October 19, 2018, 01:26:54 pm
Loadsa logistics. EV has 4 hr batt, when does it go back to the tit? At 25% charge left ? Then it`s a 3 hr batt. If you hire an EV taxi when it`s at 27% charge, will it refuse you cause it needs a job goin northside ?
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: Shallowhal on October 19, 2018, 01:30:41 pm
Thanks for putting that to bed bubba.....some people don't think of the logistics of such a big operation....cleaning,repair.
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: The Liffey Lip on October 19, 2018, 01:40:52 pm
Autonomous is Cyber-Space shit.............Automation where automatons can do the basic stuff is already real....Alexa, back me up dahhling......
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: john m on October 19, 2018, 02:44:20 pm
Autonomous vehicles are hamstrung by the recharge time. If NTA/Mytaxi/Uber/Merc etc wanted to replace the 7000 taxis in Dublin atm, they`d need at least 14,000 taxis to provide 24/7 service. They`d also need a huge warehouse with hundreds, no thousands of charge bays. If and when lekky can be plucked out of thin air, maybe they will, until then, autonomous vehicles won`t take over.


Grant for you to have a charging point in your Gaff just put a few outside the Spar Shops lads can recharge while they waffle .
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: Vikkiz on October 19, 2018, 03:11:54 pm
I'm reposting this because it's still the best autonomous vehicle I've seen so far.
https://youtu.be/cfRqNAhAe6c

I was expecting KITT, ya bollox
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: Shallowhal on October 19, 2018, 04:07:17 pm
I'm reposting this because it's still the best autonomous vehicle I've seen so far.
https://youtu.be/cfRqNAhAe6c

I was expecting KITT, ya bollox

They have to use a gender neutral voice for KITT now....oh wait!!
Title: Re: Transferability + credit cards
Post by: Bubba Ho-Tep on October 19, 2018, 10:26:16 pm
Autonomous vehicles are hamstrung by the recharge time. If NTA/Mytaxi/Uber/Merc etc wanted to replace the 7000 taxis in Dublin atm, they`d need at least 14,000 taxis to provide 24/7 service. They`d also need a huge warehouse with hundreds, no thousands of charge bays. If and when lekky can be plucked out of thin air, maybe they will, until then, autonomous vehicles won`t take over.


Grant for you to have a charging point in your Gaff just put a few outside the Spar Shops lads can recharge while they waffle .
Why would ya be outside the Spar when your autonomous fehhikel left you back at yer gaff ? John, autononomous ev`s will be rolled out by big corp , not by normal 5/8ths. And replacing entire taxi fleets is a pipe dream .