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Title: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: taxi1990 on March 21, 2019, 11:09:42 am
I reported an illegal taxi at the garda station yesterday, the guard told me it is the NTA job to deal with such issues.

I always was led to believe that the nta and gardai have equal power to deal with issues like this.

The guy I reported is a foreign guy who does not have a psv licence, no garda vetting and is blatantly advertising his services as a driver.
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 21, 2019, 11:11:36 am
Is he driving a licensed taxi?
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: taxi1990 on March 21, 2019, 11:13:39 am
No. He is driving a private car.
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 21, 2019, 11:16:53 am
Assuming he doesn't use official ranks and has no "taxi" sign on the car it's not an illegal taxi... it's an unlicensed hackney service. You should report it to NTA.
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: taxi1990 on March 21, 2019, 11:20:20 am
I have reported it several times to nta, nothing done about it so I reported it to the guards. The guard I talked to said its the nta responsibity but I dont think that is true. I might push it more with them. Im not letting this guy away with it anyway.
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 21, 2019, 11:23:08 am
Relevant court cases are generally brought by NTA. Ask them why they haven't investigated this one but be clear that it's not an illegal taxi you're reporting, it's an unlicensed hackney service...

... or deal with him yourself.
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: taxi1990 on March 21, 2019, 11:26:13 am
They know its an illegal hackney. I think they are just over run with other illegal hackneys that they havent got around to it yet. I first reported him last summer.
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: stonethecrows on March 21, 2019, 11:28:24 am
Relevant court cases are generally brought by NTA. Ask them why they haven't investigated this one but be clear that it's not an illegal taxi you're reporting, it's an unlicensed hackney service...

... or deal with him yourself.
I'm sure the papers might be interested considering the 180 that were exposed a few weeks ago, perhaps ask the NTA should you go to the papers with your story and see if you get a response then ?
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: mercenary for hire on March 21, 2019, 11:28:31 am
I'd be more concerned with Mytaxi bringing potentially hundreds if legal limos/taxis on the road to take our taxi work than one bloke pretending.
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: dalymount on March 21, 2019, 11:33:48 am
I have also sought from the authoities info on who should deal with illegal standing for hire,informal ranks,and the vetting process.my experience has been,that both bodies passed the bookUK.I eventuality went to my TD who upon. making making enquiries on my behalf,determined it is the Gardai who have responsibility in such matters.on foot of this infoi, I sought from the Gardai,info on how the  ascertain if a person  is a suitable applicant for a licence or not,I received no reply,and that was 4 years ago.I since made a written request,which ALSO received no reply
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: stonethecrows on March 21, 2019, 11:36:12 am
I have also sought from the authoities info on who should deal with illegal standing for hire,informal ranks,and the vetting process.my experience has been,that both bodies passed the bookUK.I eventuality went to my TD who upon. making making enquiries on my behalf,determined it is the Gardai who have responsibility in such matters.on foot of this infoi, I sought from the Gardai,info on how the  ascertain if a person  is a suitable applicant for a licence or not,I received no reply,and that was 4 years ago.I since made a written request,which ALSO received no reply
Does that mean we could all operate illegally ?
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 21, 2019, 11:38:14 am
Of course you can. In Swords, for example, c.100% of drivers use informal ranks. Obviously, local Gardai are happy enough with how it works.
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: mercenary for hire on March 21, 2019, 11:42:39 am
I think ranking illegally isn't so criminal since the corpo removed many of our key ranks in high footfall areas of the city center and never replaced them like they said.
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: stonethecrows on March 21, 2019, 11:43:10 am
Of course you can. In Swords, for example, c.100% of drivers use informal ranks. Obviously, local Gardai are happy enough with how it works.
Rat over the last few years got done for following :

Plying for hire outside Dunnes in Georgie St
Stopped at bus stop to place a bet in PP in Templeogue

Needless to say I don't either of the above anymore as I am a reformed Bad Taxi Boy.
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 21, 2019, 11:45:37 am
Did you win the bet?
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: dalymount on March 21, 2019, 11:47:05 am
Its morally wrong to rank in front of an official rank,when drivers on the offical rank are trying to play by the rules.an example would be,the city bar rank in Dame st,and scumbags parked yards away outside.  the old central bank
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: stonethecrows on March 21, 2019, 11:47:09 am
Did you win the bet?
Cant remember but had to pay a fine of 40 yoyos
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: dalymount on March 21, 2019, 11:50:43 am
you ether want to work in a fully professional industry,or you dont.looking at the way some stand for hire,hardly reflects professionalism
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: stonethecrows on March 21, 2019, 11:53:06 am
you ether want to work in a fully professional industry,or you dont.looking at the way some stand for hire,hardly reflects professionalism
Agree fully DM, with the advancement of the online world of hailing taxis I don't ply for hire at ranks or illegally anymore.
If you go looking for work you will always find it.
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 21, 2019, 11:54:09 am
Did you annoy the enforcement officer? As Jill Barry (2nd in command to that mean and nasty lady, Kathleen Doyle, at the time) told me, the enforcement officers don't generally reach straight for the ticket book. A little common sense goes a long way...
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: Mr phooey on March 21, 2019, 12:04:28 pm
When the winds of change blow, some people build walls and others build windmills.”

I don wuk the wanks anymore..... The black man change rwules
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: stonethecrows on March 21, 2019, 12:04:57 pm
Did you annoy the enforcement officer? As Jill Barry (2nd in command to that mean and nasty lady, Kathleen Doyle, at the time) told me, the enforcement officers don't generally reach straight for the ticket book. A little common sense goes a long way...
Cop's did me on both occasions, and no I did not annoy them, I always pay homage in the hope of going free
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 21, 2019, 12:29:01 pm
Fair enough for the bus stop, they're for buses. Maybe Dunnes or someone else reported you as an obstruction on the other occasion. I'm not sure what the drivers' relationship with the Gardai is like up above in Dublin city but a local Garda wouldn't do you in Swords unless you took the piss. Traffic Corp just ask you to move, you'd have to tell them to fuck off to get a ticket. Anywaysanall, €40 isn't the end of the world.
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: stonethecrows on March 21, 2019, 12:33:29 pm
Fair enough for the bus stop, they're for buses. Maybe Dunnes or someone else reported you as an obstruction on the other occasion. I'm not sure what the drivers' relationship with the Gardai is like up above in Dublin city but a local Garda wouldn't do you in Swords unless you took the piss. Traffic Corp just ask you to move, you'd have to tell them to fuck off to get a ticket. Anywaysanall, €40 isn't the end of the world.
We get on fine with the gards in the big smoke, they really are a luvly bunch of fellows , at the end of the day if you
misbehave you have to take your medicine
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 21, 2019, 12:34:05 pm
When the winds of change blow, some people build walls and others build windmills.”

I don wuk the wanks anymore..... The black man change rwules

To be fair, we had informal ranks up above in Dublin long before the black man came along, long before entry liberalisation in fact.
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 21, 2019, 12:35:55 pm
We get on fine with the gards in the big smoke, they really are a luvly bunch of fellows , at the end of the day if you
misbehave you have to take your medicine

... but they don't take a common sense approach in facilitating informal ranking as is the case in Swords and elsewhere?
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: stonethecrows on March 21, 2019, 12:42:11 pm
We get on fine with the gards in the big smoke, they really are a luvly bunch of fellows , at the end of the day if you
misbehave you have to take your medicine

... but they don't take a common sense approach in facilitating informal ranking as is the case in Swords and elsewhere?
Maybe they didn't like the colour of me
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 21, 2019, 12:43:11 pm
Possible... are you one of dem blacks?
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: stonethecrows on March 21, 2019, 12:45:43 pm
Possible... are you one of dem blacks?
No Man I aint no Blackman
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: Mr phooey on March 21, 2019, 12:56:49 pm
When the winds of change blow, some people build walls and others build windmills.”

I don wuk the wanks anymore..... The black man change rwules

To be fair, we had informal ranks up above in Dublin long before the black man came along, long before entry liberalisation in fact.
Yea but they didn't reverse into the front of legal wanks like
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: watty on March 21, 2019, 01:00:50 pm
Maybe I'm missing something?  How do people know it's a taxi/hackney if he has no identifying marks on his car?

The NTA might be reluctant to get involved for two reasons.  There were a few court cases in the West where they were accused of entrapment of the illegal drivers.  I think at least one of them got off because of it.  Also, is this happening in Drogheda?  There's no reason (like horseracing or any other fun events) for the NTA enforcers to visit your town and get a bit of overtime and have a few pints.
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 21, 2019, 01:11:13 pm
I think a lot of these operations depend on regular clients. If the clients don't co-operate - e.g. claim he's just a generous bloke who gives them lifts all the time and they only contribute petrol money - it can be difficult to prove. They usually go after the ones who advertise in bars or have arrangements with barmen or whatever. Essentially they generally need a way of hiring the car themselves hence the entrapment defence.
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: taxi1990 on March 21, 2019, 02:17:50 pm
This guy has signs up around town advertising his services.

I
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 21, 2019, 02:20:20 pm
Does he take whites?
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: john m on March 21, 2019, 02:20:34 pm
This guy has signs up around town advertising his services.

I

Why dont you get in contact with the reg and offer to hire this guy and they can get him and you can be a withness ,
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: stonethecrows on March 21, 2019, 02:33:32 pm
This guy has signs up around town advertising his services.

I

Why dont you get in contact with the reg and offer to hire this guy and they can get him and you can be a withness ,
Film it on your phone also and if all else fails take down his signs
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 21, 2019, 02:34:15 pm
...and knife his sidewalls.
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: taxi1990 on March 21, 2019, 04:21:56 pm
I shouldn't have to do the NTA compliance officers job. I would also have to take time off work and hand him over my money.

Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: silverbullet on March 21, 2019, 04:22:18 pm
...and knife his sidewalls.
A dart or bradawl is far more subtle.
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: stonethecrows on March 21, 2019, 04:24:44 pm
Where are you 1990 ? Is he much cheaper than us Taxi's ?
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: watty on March 21, 2019, 05:17:33 pm
This guy has signs up around town advertising his services.

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Take a photo of the signs and put it on the NTA's facebook/twitter page if they have one?

Or go to your local newspaper.  If it's a slow week in Drogheda  :) maybe they'll run with the story?
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: taxi1990 on March 21, 2019, 05:34:53 pm
He is cheaper than a legitimate taxi, not sure how much cheaper though.

Im in a town in west of ireland.

Im not on twitter or facebook, I like the idea otherwise.

The local paper idea isnt bad either.
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: taxi1990 on March 21, 2019, 05:41:25 pm
He takes whites rat catcher.
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: Bob Shillin on March 21, 2019, 07:18:02 pm
I think a lot of these operations depend on regular clients. If the clients don't co-operate - e.g. claim he's just a generous bloke who gives them lifts all the time and they only contribute petrol money - it can be difficult to prove. They usually go after the ones who advertise in bars or have arrangements with barmen or whatever. Essentially they generally need a way of hiring the car themselves hence the entrapment defence.

If'n ya know any of these illegal hacks, get him/her to call me, I need one, as I can't get a taxi driver to take an old man from Dalkey to Shankill (9-9.30) and Shankill to Dalkey (15-15.30) 3 days a week for €100.
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: markmiwurdz on March 21, 2019, 09:27:03 pm
I think a lot of these operations depend on regular clients. If the clients don't co-operate - e.g. claim he's just a generous bloke who gives them lifts all the time and they only contribute petrol money - it can be difficult to prove. They usually go after the ones who advertise in bars or have arrangements with barmen or whatever. Essentially they generally need a way of hiring the car themselves hence the entrapment defence.

If'n ya know any of these illegal hacks, get him/her to call me, I need one, as I can't get a taxi driver to take an old man from Dalkey to Shankill (9-9.30) and Shankill to Dalkey (15-15.30) 3 days a week for €100.


Are you the old man??  lol
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: Bob Shillin on March 21, 2019, 11:27:28 pm
I think a lot of these operations depend on regular clients. If the clients don't co-operate - e.g. claim he's just a generous bloke who gives them lifts all the time and they only contribute petrol money - it can be difficult to prove. They usually go after the ones who advertise in bars or have arrangements with barmen or whatever. Essentially they generally need a way of hiring the car themselves hence the entrapment defence.

If'n ya know any of these illegal hacks, get him/her to call me, I need one, as I can't get a taxi driver to take an old man from Dalkey to Shankill (9-9.30) and Shankill to Dalkey (15-15.30) 3 days a week for €100.


Are you the old man??  lol
An aging man, but not THE old man.
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: stonethecrows on March 22, 2019, 09:15:17 am
I think a lot of these operations depend on regular clients. If the clients don't co-operate - e.g. claim he's just a generous bloke who gives them lifts all the time and they only contribute petrol money - it can be difficult to prove. They usually go after the ones who advertise in bars or have arrangements with barmen or whatever. Essentially they generally need a way of hiring the car themselves hence the entrapment defence.

If'n ya know any of these illegal hacks, get him/her to call me, I need one, as I can't get a taxi driver to take an old man from Dalkey to Shankill (9-9.30) and Shankill to Dalkey (15-15.30) 3 days a week for €100.


Are you the old man??  lol
Is that because theres a smell of P*"s and Marietta off him
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: Tony on March 22, 2019, 11:35:59 am
He is cheaper than a legitimate taxi, not sure how much cheaper though.

Im in a town in west of ireland.

Im not on twitter or facebook, I like the idea otherwise.

The local paper idea isnt bad either.

Is it a secret where your from?
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: stonethecrows on March 22, 2019, 12:00:50 pm
He is cheaper than a legitimate taxi, not sure how much cheaper though.

Im in a town in west of ireland.

Im not on twitter or facebook, I like the idea otherwise.

The local paper idea isnt bad either.

Is it a secret where your from?

May be a small town and 1990 may wish to remain anonymous , then again he could be spoofing us
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: Tony on March 22, 2019, 12:04:25 pm
Rooskey?

They don't like fordeners in that place.
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: silverbullet on March 22, 2019, 12:06:20 pm
Rooskey?

They don't like fordeners in that place.
Russki
Da svedanya!
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: taxi1990 on March 22, 2019, 12:38:09 pm
im not spoofing. i am working on dealing with this guy at the moment.
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: The Liffey Lip on March 22, 2019, 12:44:34 pm
Don't mind them, '90..............paranoid fuckheads half of them.
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: taxi1990 on March 22, 2019, 12:49:24 pm
i wont. if people ask me now what i do for a living, I can say im a taxi driver and work for the NTA as well :P
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: Tony on March 22, 2019, 12:49:31 pm
im not spoofing. i am working on dealing with this guy at the moment.

Why so secretive?
What area you working?
Tell us for Fukk sakes
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: john m on March 22, 2019, 12:51:42 pm
Do you know his name ?Have you contacted the Dole or Sick Pay .Might be able to get him that way .
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: taxi1990 on March 22, 2019, 12:52:03 pm
i don't want this prick to be spooked.
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: Tony on March 22, 2019, 12:53:05 pm
i don't want this prick to be spooked.

So why put it out on the tinternet?
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: taxi1990 on March 22, 2019, 12:53:18 pm
I don't know his name. will report him to revenue as well when i find out who he is. and the social welfare if he is getting any payment from them.
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: Tony on March 22, 2019, 12:55:36 pm
In the good old days before the snowflakes took over he'd have been brought on a journey of no return
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: Bob Shillin on March 22, 2019, 04:46:28 pm
I think a lot of these operations depend on regular clients. If the clients don't co-operate - e.g. claim he's just a generous bloke who gives them lifts all the time and they only contribute petrol money - it can be difficult to prove. They usually go after the ones who advertise in bars or have arrangements with barmen or whatever. Essentially they generally need a way of hiring the car themselves hence the entrapment defence.

If'n ya know any of these illegal hacks, get him/her to call me, I need one, as I can't get a taxi driver to take an old man from Dalkey to Shankill (9-9.30) and Shankill to Dalkey (15-15.30) 3 days a week for €100.


Are you the old man??  lol
Is that because theres a smell of P*"s and Marietta off him
Nah, just short term memory issues, and driver's don't like to be tied to regular exact pick up times
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: Belker on March 22, 2019, 05:41:11 pm
Most of the towns in Cork county would have what is affectionately known as a "Calcutta cab" service and everyone in the town or village would have their number, a friend of mine got one recently when leaving a house party one morning out in the Halfway village, she left the party and asked a neighbour who was out gardening where to get a cab, the lady neighbour told her she would ring "Joe" fer her. Joe turned up a few minutes later, no meter, no roofie, no stickers, and drove her home to Blackrock fer 25 notes. The estimated fare would be about 40 Euro based on the 20KM journey.
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: Belker on March 22, 2019, 05:48:20 pm
"Calcutta cabs" don't worry me, they provide a much needed rural service (illegally) but they don't operate where I work which is in Cork city. As I said to the Chungwan who got the Calcutta cab that morning; "You have fairly used up your Get Out Of Jail Free card there !"
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: mercenary for hire on March 22, 2019, 07:47:45 pm
It costs drivers money to be in a certain place and stay free for the hour before a booking,especially now that it's busy most of the day.I don't take bookings off anyone as I never know where I'm gonna be in Dublin at a certain time.I've had to decline bookings from neighbours to the airport for the same reason.
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: Belker on March 22, 2019, 09:51:29 pm
I'm the same, no interest in pre-booking unless they are less than 20 mins away and half decent and offering Priority.
Why take a Pre-book fer an hours time when as an ambassador with priority you would be most unlikely to go 10 mins without a job offer ?
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: taxi1990 on March 22, 2019, 10:06:21 pm
i hope you reported that knacker who is doing those illegal runs. anyone who is running an illegal taxi business is an enemy of ours.
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 24, 2019, 12:50:03 pm
As MfH noted, we should be more concerned about mytaxi increasing it's fleet of clapped out shiteboxes masquerading as limousines. For a few hundred notes in licence fees these guys are taking our work and charging full metered fares.
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: Belker on March 25, 2019, 05:50:59 am
i hope you reported that knacker who is doing those illegal runs. anyone who is running an illegal taxi business is an enemy of ours.
No, I didn't, "Joe" was providing an illegal service to a much needed community and he got my Chungwan home fer a 'Pony' when she was stuck fer a cab.
By the way, the Halfway village is about 20km outside of Cork, it has 1 Pub, 1 Shop and a few hundred homes and No Taxi service.
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: Vikkiz on March 25, 2019, 10:44:02 pm
i hope you reported that knacker who is doing those illegal runs. anyone who is running an illegal taxi business is an enemy of ours.
No, I didn't, "Joe" was providing an illegal service to a much needed community and he got my Chungwan home fer a 'Pony' when she was stuck fer a cab.
By the way, the Halfway village is about 20km outside of Cork, it has 1 Pub, 1 Shop and a few hundred homes and No Taxi service.
Best to have him provide this “illegal” service than be competing with a Belker 24/7 in a legal taxi
Title: Re: Whos job is it to deal with illegal taxis?
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 26, 2019, 02:19:35 pm
... or working for mytaxi in a clapped out shitebox masquerading as a limousine.