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Title: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
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Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: Rat Catcher on January 10, 2021, 08:02:59 pm
You can't turn on Sky Sports without being told blacks lives matter. Is that a form of hate speech as it seems to imply that no other lives matter. When will somebody think about the Pakistanis, for example?
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: silverbullet on January 10, 2021, 08:31:04 pm
You can't turn on Sky Sports without being told blacks lives matter. Is that a form of hate speech as it seems to imply that no other lives matter. When will somebody think about the Pakistanis, for example?

My new slogan is:
WHO THINKS ABOUT THE CHINKS? 8)
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: silverbullet on January 10, 2021, 08:31:58 pm
You can't turn on Sky Sports without being told blacks lives matter. Is that a form of hate speech as it seems to imply that no other lives matter. When will somebody think about the Pakistanis, for example?
DON'T LET BEING BROWN GET YOU DOWN! 8)
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: Shallowhal on January 10, 2021, 08:37:11 pm
No one talks shite better than the white!!
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: silverbullet on January 10, 2021, 08:44:57 pm
No one talks shite better than the white!!
The Dyslexic Racist,  carrying a sign saying DOWN WITH GINGERS  8)
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: Rat Catcher on January 10, 2021, 09:42:28 pm
Will somebody please think about the Pakistanis....
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: silverbullet on January 10, 2021, 10:38:44 pm
Will somebody please think about the Pakistanis....
The ones settled in France are known as Lahore Masters.
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: silverbullet on January 11, 2021, 12:20:02 am
A kid asks his Jewish Auntie ' Did the Germans kill 60 million Jews?'

No, no says the Auntie '60 Million would be unforgivable '. 8)
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: Octavia1 on January 11, 2021, 12:32:31 pm
I was watchin a programme on the owlones telly next door ....an it was about the poor health of the black Americans..
..anyway ther was this family sittin around table havin dinner an they wer like the klumps ...they wer eatin this shit pasta or sumtin an everyone them was at least 20 stone .......
Now get this .....the presenter was sayin that because of poverty grandad an grandma had high blood pressure an morbidly obese .....little grandkids  had diabetes an an mobility issues an behavioral depression ......all caused by ther environment and lack opportunity and it indicated that it was caused by them bein black an underprivileged
Treated as second class citizens and it WASNT THER FAULT they wer all unhealthy an fat bastards ......
An I was havin me tea an cake the owlone next door made for me an the adds on the telly came on an ther was a picture of black babies in Africa starving to death an cud I send them 2 pound a month to feed one cause the parents died in a famine from starvation.......

" I'm fat because yur a racist " ...... go an fuk off wit yurself  ou that  oops
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: Rat Catcher on January 11, 2021, 04:04:02 pm
We need to guard against that here, Octy... and learn from immigrant experiences elsewhere I guess. We do spend a large fortune on black schools via "Educate Together", without which the blacks would have to go to the same schools as the whites and all the kids would be educated together! However, it was disappointing to read that the young lad who the Gardai shot in West Dublin (some say Hartstown, others say Clonee) suffered racist abuse growing up in that area and had the misfortune to witness another young lad who he wast something of a mentor to being stabbed to death in the same general geographical area. Hardly surprising he had mental health issues and freaked a bit when someone produced a knife during the course of a relatively minor disagreement.
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: Shallowhal on January 11, 2021, 04:17:40 pm
Is that why he went out with a knife RC.....would ye say?
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: Rat Catcher on January 11, 2021, 04:22:18 pm
I can't say, Hal. I heard - and it's only hearsay so shouldn't be treated with much more credibility than the stuff MMW shares from his social media - that he wasn't carrying the knife. As the story goes he had a disagreement with a staff member, threw a punch or punches were thrown and somebody else intervened with a knife taken from the deli counter and was "disarmed" by the lad who was subsequently executed by An Garda Siochana under the direction of Drew Harris.
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: Octavia1 on January 11, 2021, 06:46:17 pm
We need to guard against that here, Octy... and learn from immigrant experiences elsewhere I guess. We do spend a large fortune on black schools via "Educate Together", without which the blacks would have to go to the same schools as the whites and all the kids would be educated together! However, it was disappointing to read that the young lad who the Gardai shot in West Dublin (some say Hartstown, others say Clonee) suffered racist abuse growing up in that area and had the misfortune to witness another young lad who he wast something of a mentor to being stabbed to death in the same general geographical area. Hardly surprising he had mental health issues and freaked a bit when someone produced a knife during the course of a relatively minor disagreement.
More lies your picking up off fakebook ratti

I taut it was him that produced the knife ?

The knief he tried to kill the guards with was not his?

If his mate was stabbed to death then it's likely his mate knew who the perpetrator was probably over a drug debt especially in that kip hartstown ....the fukin parish priest is a smackhead ffs ..and watever information you got off the internet is probaly an exercise in damage limitation victimhood 
More victimhood ....." my mate was stabbed to death therefore I have mental illness ( anything criminal I do from now on is not my fault) and I  am entitled to rob a shop and break the shopkeepers jaw and threaten others with injury
Because yous are all racist and called me n......r wen I grew up .....its yur fault  :-\

" I was shit in school cause the teachers wer racist an wudnt teach me "  no you wer a brain dead  dope who wasted everyone's time
" I had to turn to crime because all the jobs wer open to whites only "  no you left school early cause you wer making more than you da selling hash
" I have to carry a knife cause all the whites are tryin to kill me "  no you carry a knife cause it's a gangsta hip hop rap or watever shite yu call music nessesary prop.an all yur  mates carry them an yu dont want to be the odd one out
:"  my brother battered the shopkeeper an tried to kill the police wit the knief  cause of his mental illness caused by whites who persecuted him to act in a desperate way " .....
It wasn't his fault ....
No he was most likely off his head on drugs most the time that caused his mental illness that led him to batter his girlfriend the previous week with a hammer and made him
Know to the guardai as a dangerous  individual wit a history of violence ....


We have the same shite with our honky drug takin tracksuit clad shit that walks our streets at nite .....
On the dole since they left school an dealin an robbin an mugging an battering ther girlfriend ......
Blaming everyone else for ther shite life and living in the greatest country on earth wer opportunity awaits anyone that goes for it .....
You have wat it takes in this country and you can go to the top ...we dont need this America shote here .....even your own dr leopold is indian for fuk sake ....
Will yu stop perpetuating this racial hatred

https://youtu.be/7eXdt1eGgCA
Now heres a role model for any kid ....



Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: silverbullet on January 11, 2021, 06:53:54 pm
We need to guard against that here, Octy... and learn from immigrant experiences elsewhere I guess. We do spend a large fortune on black schools via "Educate Together", without which the blacks would have to go to the same schools as the whites and all the kids would be educated together! However, it was disappointing to read that the young lad who the Gardai shot in West Dublin (some say Hartstown, others say Clonee) suffered racist abuse growing up in that area and had the misfortune to witness another young lad who he wast something of a mentor to being stabbed to death in the same general geographical area. Hardly surprising he had mental health issues and freaked a bit when someone produced a knife during the course of a relatively minor disagreement.
More lies your picking up off fakebook ratti

I taut it was him that produced the knife ?

The knief he tried to kill the guards with was not his?

If his mate was stabbed to death then it's likely his mate knew who the perpetrator was probablyover drug debt especiallyin that kip hartstown ....the fukin paris priest is a smackhead ffs ..and watever information you got off the internet is probaly an exercise in damage limitation victimhood 
More victimhood ....." my mate was stabbed to death therefore I have mental illness ( anything criminal I do from now on is not my fault) and I  am entitled to rob a shop and break the shopkeepers jaw and threaten others with injury
Because yous are all racist and called me n......r wen I grew up .....its yur fault  :-\

" I was shit in school cause the teachers wer racist an wudnt teach me "  no you wer a brain dead  dope who wasted everyone's time
" I had to turn to crime because all the jobs wer open to whites only "  no you left school early cause you wer making more than you da selling hash
" I have to carry a knife cause all the whites are tryin to kill me "  no you carry a knife cause it's a gangsta hip hop rap or watever shite yu call music nessesary prop.an all me mates carry them
:"  my brother battered the shopkeeper an tried to kill the police wit the knief  cause of his mental illness caused by whites who persecuted him to act in a desperate way " .....
It wasn't his fault ....
No he was most likely off his head on drugs most the time that caused his mental illness that led him to batter his girlfriend the previous week with a hammer and made him
Know to the guardai as a dangerous  individual wit a history of violence ....


We have the same shite with our honky drug takin tracksuit clad shit that walks our streets at nite .....
On the dole since they left school an dealin an robbin an mugging an battering ther girlfriend ......
Blaming everyone else for ther shite life and living in the greatest country on earth wer opportunity awaits anyone that goes for it .....
You have wat it takes in this country and you can go to the top ...we dont need this America shote here .....even your own dr leopold is indian for fuk sake ....
Will yu stop perpetuating this racial hatred

https://youtu.be/7eXdt1eGgCA (https://youtu.be/7eXdt1eGgCA)
Now heres a role model for any kid ....
Word at the time was the Irish guy  took the knife off the African guy in a fight, then stabbed him.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/brothers-charged-after-death-of-teen-26646986.html (https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/brothers-charged-after-death-of-teen-26646986.html)
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: Octavia1 on January 11, 2021, 07:02:17 pm
Wat was the outcome ?
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: Rat Catcher on January 11, 2021, 07:12:31 pm
I'm not telling you any lies, Octy. I'm merely telling you what I was told by someone else in the real world, I don't subscribe to Facebook. As noted, it is hearsay but it's from the same source that told me there was no stabbing. I relayed that (similarly as hearsay) i.e. that the chap in the shop was punched not stabbed or knifed in direct response to the clearly fabricated evidence of a stabbing introduced to that discussion by MMW. One version was right... to give you a clue, it wasn't the nonsense MMW was pedalling.

The stabbing of his younger acquaintance was widely covered in the media at the time, back in 2010 if memory serves. There was no suggestion of any link to illegal drugs. What was reported both in the media and at a subsequent court hearing was that a group of black young lads were walking from the sports complex in Blanchardstown with some white young ladies. One of the young ladies asked a white male who was smoking in his garden for a light and he launched into a barrage of abuse, heavily criticising the ladies' choice in male companionship and ended up winding himself up into a frenzy which resulted in him stabbing the younger black lad. The perpetrator died before the court case but his brother who was with him at the time was charged as an accomplice and acquitted.

I don't claim to be a Psychiatrist but I'm guessing facing such a gruesome attack in a foreign country might be enough to convince a man that he ought to be equipped to deal with any recurrence regardless of how rational or otherwise that may seem to us, as outsiders. To use an ermism the lad may well have concluded that it was time to get a gun knife.


Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: Rat Catcher on January 11, 2021, 07:33:02 pm
I don't see any suggestion that the knife used by the white bloke to kill the black bloke was taken from the (or another) black bloke in that link, Octy... and I don't recall that being introduced into evidence. I respectfully suggest that happened only in your imagination as you have previously laboured under the misapprehension that knife crime only exists in black culture... despite my reminding you that every reported knife attack on taxi drivers in recent times has been carried out by a white man.
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: Octavia1 on January 11, 2021, 07:35:46 pm
Yes I've just read it ...at least the Irishtimes version ....the fact is none of us know the full true facts....we wernt present ..but you paint a very colourful picture there painting the dead irish as 100 % guilty of a racially motivated murder ....that is also hearsay and speculation . It would appear that it was one groups word against the other . We,ll never know as the killer died before trial ....but to blame that case 10 years ago as a factor in the rampage that occurred a few weeks ago is ludicrous and is pulling the race card ....he was out for some sort of revenge to even the score ..is laughable
But wat is a fact is that if the bloke who was shot by police in blanch was white .....nobody would bat an eyelid it would have been back page news ... ...just another junkie got wat was coming to him ....
Because he was black ...a series of protests wer held with BLM placards held aloft ...its a race issue cause he was black ...that's wat I'm gettin at ...its complete and utter horse shite

The media are  also constantly peddling half truths and speculation to sell ther platforms and make a wage with
Misinformation when they dont kno the facts ...
And also know to make it a race issue sells papers


Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: Octavia1 on January 11, 2021, 07:37:42 pm
I don't see any suggestion that the knife used by the white bloke to kill the black bloke was taken from the (or another) black bloke in that link, Octy... and I don't recall that being introduced into evidence. I respectfully suggest that happened only in your imagination as you have previously laboured under the misapprehension that knife crime only exists in black culture... despite my reminding you that every reported knife attack on taxi drivers in recent times has been carried out by a white man.

I didnt say that rat ....bullit did ...read again ....
It's not my imagination you are referring to
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: Rat Catcher on January 11, 2021, 07:44:04 pm
Apologies, Octy. Sure it was the bullet that posted the picture of someone's sliced up back in support of MMWs fabrication!

Anywaysanall, imagine yourself and another white Irish immigrant in downtown Lagos, each with a blackbird on yisser arms and some big black mother fucker knifes your mate to death. Would you not start to think you need some means of defending yourself against the natives?

Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: Octavia1 on January 11, 2021, 08:08:21 pm
Apologies, Octy. Sure it was the bullet that posted the picture of someone's sliced up back in support of MMWs fabrication!

Anywaysanall, imagine yourself and another white Irish immigrant in downtown Lagos, each with a blackbird on yisser arms and some big black mother fucker knifes your mate to death. Would you not start to think you need some means of defending yourself against the natives?
Yes  I would . But it's not a common occurrence and more whites are stabbed to death cause thers more of them ..but it wouldnt cause me to rob a shop or hit my girlfriend wit a hammer  or try to kill a police officer  if the media are to be believed....
We are all innately tribalistic rat ....its in our dna .....in order to live peacefully we have to oppress our basic animal urges .......some call it racist ....I hate that word because its trown  around  like confetti on the social media fraudulant universe for varying different political and personal advantage ....its a weapon of language that is in my opinion the most incitefiul and deceitful  word in the history of the english language.
.
To march on the guarda station or the shopping  centre without evidence of wat happened with blm banners is an incitement to  racial hatred..to assume that any black who is shot by a cop was automatically a race crime is outrageous and dangerous.......I hope it was a load of gullible teens but if not ....that sort of action only justifies the far rights claims that blacks and whites shouldn't live together...


I havnt seen mmw claims ....I'll hav a look
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: Rat Catcher on January 11, 2021, 08:16:27 pm
MMW posted a picture of someone who was injured in a soccer brawl on the mainland, claiming and/or believing it to be the man who was punched in the Spar shop in Hartstown or Clonee or wherever it was. SB, quoting that post, posted another picture of someone else with a carved up back which suggested he believed it to be relevant to the Spar shop incident.

There is no suggestion of any robbery either. I heard that it was a row between two men that escalated when a third party produced a knife, nothing more than that. In fact I heard the man that got punched took a lot of convincing to go to hospital and didn't actually present until after the firing squad had dealt with the black lad.
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: Octavia1 on January 11, 2021, 08:48:20 pm
Yea ....too much speculation to be fair......
...any case the hole thing was regrettable...I'm sure the facts will come out eventually.....plenty witnesses ...assuming they wernt all stoned an off the faces  ...rife wit gick an  gick peddlers ...gettin worser bybthe year Dublin
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: Rat Catcher on January 11, 2021, 08:51:59 pm
It's still Gardai/UFV 1 - 0 BLM !!
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: Octavia1 on January 11, 2021, 09:09:34 pm
It's still Gardai/UFV 1 - 0 BLM !!
rofl
Fuk off ...yur lookin for a row  lol
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: markmiwurdz on January 11, 2021, 09:14:39 pm
The picture was wrong of the stabbing,the shooting was correct,that's my opinion,if I was an armed Garda and after attempted tazing and whatever else failed I'd shoot anybody coming at me with a knife,white black yellow or whatever.As octy said if it was an ordinary scobie it would have been forgotten about in 12 hours.

You do enjoy an ould stir RC.
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: Rat Catcher on January 11, 2021, 09:31:12 pm
I can't help myself, MMW. However, don't be too quick to cheer the Gardai just because it was an immigrant they got this time. Don't forget the last time we had firing squads on the streets of Fingal and all around the country it was Black and Tans and they were also under British Loyalist command. That didn't end well...

I'm surprised the erm hasn't thrown in a Brexit angle. On the day we should be watching the ports and studying the smallprint the ex?MI5 man is directing a firing squad. Bit of a coincidence that it was the riot squad's day off, no?
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: silverbullet on January 11, 2021, 10:49:55 pm
I can't help myself, MMW. However, don't be too quick to cheer the Gardai just because it was an immigrant they got this time. Don't forget the last time we had firing squads on the streets of Fingal and all around the country it was Black and Tans and they were also under British Loyalist command. That didn't end well...

I'm surprised the erm hasn't thrown in a Brexit angle. On the day we should be watching the ports and studying the smallprint the ex?MI5 man is directing a firing squad. Bit of a coincidence that it was the riot squad's day off, no?
We Irish have long memories. The Balubas of Congo killed 11 of our peacekeeping group,  wounding one.

Given that is ingrained on the mind of of military and police,  I  follow the actions of  MMW shoot first, deal with the consequences later.

I think I withdrew the photos shared on FB after doing a reverse image search.
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: Bob Shillin on January 11, 2021, 11:59:39 pm
The picture was wrong of the stabbing,the shooting was correct,that's my opinion,if I was an armed Garda and after attempted tazing and whatever else failed I'd shoot anybody coming at me with a knife,white black yellow or whatever.As octy said if it was an ordinary scobie it would have been forgotten about in 12 hours.

You do enjoy an ould stir RC.
You are not a policeman, who is licenced to kill, but is supposed to be trained only to have to do so in the direst of situations. I repeat that I can't see why 15 + cops could not have managed this situation without loss of a man's only life. The fault, I suggest, lies with the officer in charge. RC names that man as Drew Harris, I place it with the OIC at the scene.
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: Octavia1 on January 12, 2021, 12:18:08 pm
https://builtin.com/robotics/police-robot-law-enforcement
I'm sure robots in the future will be racially neutral

Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: silverbullet on January 12, 2021, 12:27:24 pm
The picture was wrong of the stabbing,the shooting was correct,that's my opinion,if I was an armed Garda and after attempted tazing and whatever else failed I'd shoot anybody coming at me with a knife,white black yellow or whatever.As octy said if it was an ordinary scobie it would have been forgotten about in 12 hours.

You do enjoy an ould stir RC.
You are not a policeman, who is licenced to kill, but is supposed to be trained only to have to do so in the direst of situations. I repeat that I can't see why 15 + cops could not have managed this situation without loss of a man's only life. The fault, I suggest, lies with the officer in charge. RC names that man as Drew Harris, I place it with the OIC at the scene.
As they say of Vietnam

You weren't there! 8)
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: Rat Catcher on January 12, 2021, 07:24:33 pm
The buck has to stop at the top, BS. Those of us with less selective memories than SB and, perhaps, lacking his desperation to justify the unjustifiable will remember how Harris has made a career out of persecuting Irish nationalists, being implicated in resourcing loyalist terrorists, shoot to kill policing and countless cover ups... all because the IRA killed his father. The one thing absent from his C.V. is the one thing Gardai have relied on since the foundation of the Free State i.e. policing by consent.
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: silverbullet on January 12, 2021, 11:13:15 pm
The buck has to stop at the top, BS. Those of us with less selective memories than SB and, perhaps, lacking his desperation to justify the unjustifiable will remember how Harris has made a career out of persecuting Irish nationalists, being implicated in resourcing loyalist terrorists, shoot to kill policing and countless cover ups... all because the IRA killed his father. The one thing absent from his C.V. is the one thing Gardai have relied on since the foundation of the Free State i.e. policing by consent.
Check out OTD PIRA , on this day provisional IRA on FB. Very romantic view of the thousands of murders.
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: Rat Catcher on January 12, 2021, 11:14:42 pm
If it's on Facebook it must be true.
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: TheDevilHimself on January 13, 2021, 09:22:34 am
If race dosent matter then why is everyone going on about it so much ?  :-\
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: Rat Catcher on January 13, 2021, 10:46:02 am
It's not race that matters, it's blacks lives... although you wouldn't think so given the lack of any retaliation for the lad that faced the firing squad in Hartstown/Clonee.
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: silverbullet on January 13, 2021, 12:34:09 pm
It's not race that matters, it's blacks lives... although you wouldn't think so given the lack of any retaliation for the lad that faced the firing squad in Hartstown/Clonee.
Had he got into that house the Gardai would have lost control of the situation.
Had he become besieged there might have been more victims.
Good work An Garda.
The Gardai are great so they are.
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: Rat Catcher on January 13, 2021, 01:15:17 pm
The Black and Tans thought they were in control... where are they now?

#blackslivesmatter
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: silverbullet on January 13, 2021, 02:14:14 pm
The Black and Tans thought they were in control... where are they now?

#blackslivesmatter
Blacks and the Tans are driving taxis along side you. 8)

Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: Shallowhal on January 13, 2021, 03:15:24 pm
The Black and Tans thought they were in control... where are they now?

#blackslivesmatter

Yeah...so come out and fight them like a man!
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: silverbullet on January 13, 2021, 03:29:21 pm
The Black and Tans thought they were in control... where are they now?

#blackslivesmatter

Yeah...so come out and fight them like a man!
Here's a bit of history RC, including the sack of the wonderful seaside town of Balbriggan.
The Tans were moved to Palestine.
 

 

 

Winston Churchill sent the Black and Tans to Palestine
British politicians who waged war in Ireland used the same tactics and forces in Palestine - and a Dubliner was in charge during the Naqba
1937: Arab civilians being searched by British Military personnel in Palestine. Photograph: Getty Images
1937: Arab civilians being searched by British Military personnel in Palestine. Photograph: Getty Images
David Cronin
Fri, May 19, 2017, 12:18



   
Sometimes a fragment reveals more than a tome. Karma Nabulsi, a politics professor at Oxford University, introduced me to one such fragment. Did I know, she asked, that Winston Churchill sent the Black and Tans to Palestine?

That conversation helped me grasp why Irish people tend to feel a sense of affinity with the Palestinians. Our historical experiences are not identical but they do have striking parallels, which I became eager to explore.

The Balfour Declaration. Arthur Balfour previously served as chief secretary of Ireland. He notoriously ordered police to open fire on an 1887 land reform protest in Mitchelstown, Co Cork, killing three people
The Balfour Declaration. Arthur Balfour previously served as chief secretary of Ireland. He notoriously ordered police to open fire on an 1887 land reform protest in Mitchelstown, Co Cork, killing three people
This year marks the centenary of the Balfour Declaration. The November 1917 letter to the Zionist movement committed Britain to support the establishment of a “Jewish national home” in Palestine. Through that document, the world’s pre-eminent power gave its backing to a project aimed at colonising with Europeans a land where most of the population was Arab.

Arthur James Balfour, then Britain’s foreign secretary and the declaration’s signatory, had previously served as chief secretary of Ireland. He was best known for ordering police to open fire on an 1887 land reform protest in Mitchelstown, Co Cork. Resulting in three deaths, the incident earned him the sobriquet Bloody Balfour.

Arthur Balfour addresses an anti-Home- Rule demonstration in Belfast in 1893. Photograph: Getty Images
Arthur Balfour addresses an anti-Home- Rule demonstration in Belfast in 1893. Photograph: Getty Images
Balfour was among many British political figures to leave a deep impression on both Ireland and Palestine. As home secretary in 1916, Herbert Samuel oversaw the internment of almost 2,000 people allegedly involved in the Easter Rising; he also approved Roger Casement’s hanging. Samuel became the first high commissioner of Palestine as Britain took charge of its administration between the two world wars.

Faced with unrest in 1921, Samuel ordered air strikes against Palestinian rioters and declared a state of emergency. At that juncture, Churchill, then colonial secretary, advocated that a “picked force of white gendarmerie” be established for Palestine, according to official records. Churchill’s idea was that the gendarmerie should be comprised of men who had served with crown forces during Ireland’s War of Independence.


Henry Hugh Tudor, commander of the Auxiliaries in Ireland, had advised Churchill that up to 800 “absolutely reliable men” could be made available from those forces. The Auxiliaries had worked alongside the Black and Tans and the two policing divisions were often regarded as synonymous. The gendarmerie founded at Churchill’s initiative contained members of both.

Refugees after the Sack of Balbriggan, Co Dublin, by the Black and Tans on September 20th, 1920. Photograph: Getty Images
Refugees after the Sack of Balbriggan, Co Dublin, by the Black and Tans on September 20th, 1920. Photograph: Getty Images
In effect, then, the Black and Tans and the Auxiliaries were assigned to Palestine once their presence in Ireland was no longer deemed necessary. The parallel fascinated me. One of those forces’ most notorious escapades occurred in my hometown – Balbriggan, Co Dublin. As revenge for the killing of a police officer by republicans in September 1920, the forces torched a hosiery factory that was a major local employer, as well as destroying and damaging numerous pubs and houses. The “sack” of Balbriggan, as the incident became known, prompted a Westminster debate about whether the crown forces lacked discipline.

Britain’s imperial archives show that some diplomats asked if the “Black and Tan tradition” was being followed in Palestine. One briefing document apparently written for the British Army pointed to how many members of the Churchill-initiated gendarmerie had formerly been based in Ireland. “This original composition gave the force a military efficiency, combined with a certain ruthlessness,” the paper added.

Douglas Duff had been stationed with the Black and Tans in Galway before moving to Palestine. His memoirs make clear that he brought a great deal of bigotry with him. Referring to the Palestinians of Haifa, he wrote: “Most of us were so infected by the sense of our own superiority over these ‘lesser breeds’ that we scarcely regarded these people as human.”

Officers who had served in Ireland played a prominent role in quelling protests by Palestinians against the expropriation of land where they lived and farmed. Raymond Cafferata, for example, had been part of the Auxiliaries during the Irish War of Independence. In 1933, he headed a contingent of foot police at a Jaffa demonstration which had been banned. A baton charge that he ordered was commended by British administration in Jerusalem for being “magnificently executed” despite how numerous Palestinians were shot dead during the protest.


Later in the 1930s, a full-scale Palestinian revolt erupted. Grattan Bushe, a legal adviser to the Colonial Office, warned that “repression by force is repeating the mistake which was made in Ireland”. His warning was ignored; military commanders were assured that they could take “whatever measures are necessary”. The measures were to include demolishing much of Jaffa’s old city, imposing collective punishment on villages with rebels in their midst and mass detention in labour camps.

Sir Herbert Samuel, British High Commissioner of Palestine, centre, with Emir Abdullah and TE Lawrence at Amman, Jordan, in April 1921. Photograph: Getty Images
Sir Herbert Samuel, British High Commissioner of Palestine, centre, with Emir Abdullah and TE Lawrence at Amman, Jordan, in April 1921. Photograph: Getty Images
Some of the men behind projects that are still reviled today were originally from Ireland. About £2 million – a huge sum for the 1930s – was spent on erecting a rampart along Palestine’s northern frontier. It was the brainchild of Charles Tegart, a Derry-born police chief. Tegart was something of an innovator. He recommended that the most sophisticated surveillance technology of that era should be installed in “Tegart’s fence”, as the project was dubbed.

The Balfour Declaration’s purpose was to form a “little loyal Jewish Ulster in a sea of potentially hostile Arabism”, according to Ronald Storrs, “the first military governor of Palestine since Pontius Pilate” (his words). Not everything went to plan: the Zionist movement fell out with and, in the case of two groups, waged a campaign of guerilla warfare against Britain in the 1940s. Storrs’ comment nonetheless encapsulates how the British elite viewed their nearest colony and the Middle East through the same lens.

General Sir Alan Cunningham, Palestine High Commissioner: the Dubliner was in charge during the mass expulsion of Palestinians by Zionist forces, an episode called the Nakba or catastrophe. The British authorities chose not to intervene. Photograph: Getty Images
General Sir Alan Cunningham, Palestine High Commissioner: the Dubliner was in charge during the mass expulsion of Palestinians by Zionist forces, an episode called the Nakba or catastrophe. The British authorities chose not to intervene. Photograph: Getty Images
On May 14th, 1948, British rule in Palestine came to an end; Israel declared itself a state that same day. The transition was marked in a low-key ceremony at which Alan Cunningham, the last British high commissioner in Jerusalem, inspected a colour party.


Cunningham had been in charge during the mass expulsion of Palestinians by Zionist forces, an episode called the Nakba or catastrophe. The British authorities chose not to intervene.

The Palestinian flag is being flown over Dublin’s City Hall this month in solidarity with the Nakba’s victims. That is grimly appropriate. Alan Cunningham was born in Dublin.
David Cronin’s book Balfour’s Shadow: A Century of British Support for Zionism and Israel is published by Pluto Press. plutobooks.com

Author David Cronin is from Balbriggan, the Co Dublin town sacked by the Black and Tans
Author David Cronin is from Balbriggan, the Co Dublin town sacked by the Black and Tans
 
Interesting that they were led by a Dubliner  Alan Cunningham.
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: Bob Shillin on January 25, 2021, 04:01:12 am
Seems that he may have been shot twice in his back.
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: Dr. Martin Gooter Bling on January 25, 2021, 04:55:37 am
don't quote me on it but I think the balbriggan sacking happened the same day as Kevin Barry murdered a 16 year old British soldier.
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: Cool Boola on January 25, 2021, 10:41:52 am
Any new     news
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: Rat Catcher on January 25, 2021, 12:02:04 pm
Horrible Hozier has weighed in with a scathing attack on a couple of our contributors:

https://www.thesun.ie/tvandshowbiz/6407628/hozier-heart-breaks-george-nkencho-shot-dead-gardai/ (https://www.thesun.ie/tvandshowbiz/6407628/hozier-heart-breaks-george-nkencho-shot-dead-gardai/)

'HORRIBLE' Hozier says his ‘heart breaks’ for family of George Nkencho shot dead by gardai and slams false info spread online

Elsa McEvoy
13 Jan 2021, 12:24Updated: 13 Jan 2021, 18:24

HOZIER has said that his "heart breaks" for the family of George Nkencho who was shot dead by gardai in a stand off last month.

The Take Me To Church hitmaker shared an emotional tribute to the 27-year-old who died outside his home in Clonee, Co Dublin following a confrontation with officers.

The Bray native also slammed the circulation of false information about George on social media following his death.

Hozier, also known as Andrew Byrne, started by commenting on the unrest in the US after rioters stormed the Capitol last week.

He said in a statement: "It would be churlish of me to comment on white nationalist and neo-fascist activity in the US when Ireland has its own active elements organising only last week to spread lies about the late George Nkencho, a man with documented mental health difficulties who lost his life at the hands of a Gardai response.

"The investigation into the death of George Nkencho is to be welcomed, but regardless of how it turns out, this man was completely and utterly failed in his need for help.

'HORRIBLE EVENT'

"My heart breaks for his family and the loved ones he leaves behind, I cannot imagine the grief and trauma they are left with and I hope the family are offered the closure and justice they are due."

He also slammed the false allegations made about George Nkencho online, which Nkencho's family previously blasted as “vile character assassination”.

Hozier wrote: "I would make an appeal to my fellow members of Ireland's white settled community to take very seriously the efforts that were made online to spread lies about George Nkencho and attack his family in the aftermath of this horrible event.

"Elaborately constructed false info was spread by a committed group of racist agitators for the purposes of provoking tensions along the lines of ethnicity and race."

Hozier said that the issue of racism in Ireland must be tackled.


FENDING OFF INJUSTICE

He said: "Until we as a national (and global) community take seriously the growing threat of neo-fascism and white supremacy and bring ourselves to investigate our own unobserved ethno-nationalistic sentiments this problem will only worsen with time.

"It can't be left to Ireland's black citizens and people of colour to fend off the injustice of racial hatred.

"It's something that is enabled by, takes root in, and is enacted by elements within our own community, and it is that very community which has the political representation and collective power to address and disassemble it.

"We all want to live in a country we can be proud of, and address and disassemble it.

"We all want to live in a country we can be proud of, and we all have a role to play in that.

"I fear something dreadful is coming if we can't bring ourselves to address this issue."
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: Rat Catcher on January 25, 2021, 01:00:01 pm
Interesting that they were led by a Dubliner  Alan Cunningham.


Jesus Christ was born in a stable, that doesn't make him a horse. General Sir Alan was Scotch bred and educated on the mainland before joining the British armed forces. He never lived a day of his post toddler life in Ireland, north or south.

How did you vote in the Citizenship referendum?
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: silverbullet on January 25, 2021, 03:53:52 pm
Interesting that they were led by a Dubliner  Alan Cunningham.


Jesus Christ was born in a stable, that doesn't make him a horse. General Sir Alan was Scotch bred and educated on the mainland before joining the British armed forces. He never lived a day of his post toddler life in Ireland, north or south.

How did you vote in the Citizenship referendum?
It was simple, the guidelines were on the ballot paper.
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: silverbullet on January 25, 2021, 03:55:25 pm
Horrible Hozier has weighed in with a scathing attack on a couple of our contributors:

https://www.thesun.ie/tvandshowbiz/6407628/hozier-heart-breaks-george-nkencho-shot-dead-gardai/ (https://www.thesun.ie/tvandshowbiz/6407628/hozier-heart-breaks-george-nkencho-shot-dead-gardai/)

'HORRIBLE' Hozier says his ‘heart breaks’ for family of George Nkencho shot dead by gardai and slams false info spread online

Elsa McEvoy
13 Jan 2021, 12:24Updated: 13 Jan 2021, 18:24

HOZIER has said that his "heart breaks" for the family of George Nkencho who was shot dead by gardai in a stand off last month.

The Take Me To Church hitmaker shared an emotional tribute to the 27-year-old who died outside his home in Clonee, Co Dublin following a confrontation with officers.

The Bray native also slammed the circulation of false information about George on social media following his death.

Hozier, also known as Andrew Byrne, started by commenting on the unrest in the US after rioters stormed the Capitol last week.

He said in a statement: "It would be churlish of me to comment on white nationalist and neo-fascist activity in the US when Ireland has its own active elements organising only last week to spread lies about the late George Nkencho, a man with documented mental health difficulties who lost his life at the hands of a Gardai response.

"The investigation into the death of George Nkencho is to be welcomed, but regardless of how it turns out, this man was completely and utterly failed in his need for help.

'HORRIBLE EVENT'

"My heart breaks for his family and the loved ones he leaves behind, I cannot imagine the grief and trauma they are left with and I hope the family are offered the closure and justice they are due."

He also slammed the false allegations made about George Nkencho online, which Nkencho's family previously blasted as “vile character assassination”.

Hozier wrote: "I would make an appeal to my fellow members of Ireland's white settled community to take very seriously the efforts that were made online to spread lies about George Nkencho and attack his family in the aftermath of this horrible event.

"Elaborately constructed false info was spread by a committed group of racist agitators for the purposes of provoking tensions along the lines of ethnicity and race."

Hozier said that the issue of racism in Ireland must be tackled.


FENDING OFF INJUSTICE

He said: "Until we as a national (and global) community take seriously the growing threat of neo-fascism and white supremacy and bring ourselves to investigate our own unobserved ethno-nationalistic sentiments this problem will only worsen with time.

"It can't be left to Ireland's black citizens and people of colour to fend off the injustice of racial hatred.

"It's something that is enabled by, takes root in, and is enacted by elements within our own community, and it is that very community which has the political representation and collective power to address and disassemble it.

"We all want to live in a country we can be proud of, and address and disassemble it.

"We all want to live in a country we can be proud of, and we all have a role to play in that.

"I fear something dreadful is coming if we can't bring ourselves to address this issue."
Why is Andy not including travelers? F**king godless bigot!
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: Rat Catcher on January 25, 2021, 05:05:28 pm
I guess he was thinking of you and MMW specifically.
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: silverbullet on January 25, 2021, 06:19:22 pm
I guess he was thinking of you and MMW specifically.
He sold one half-decent ballad and is now attempting to stay relevant. In the same vein as Geldof, U2 etc.

He should concentrate on completing the mansion down in Wickla, rather than trawling the internet searching for items to be offended by proxy about.
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: Rat Catcher on January 25, 2021, 06:24:48 pm
He makes a good point, to be fair.
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: silverbullet on January 25, 2021, 06:32:20 pm
Seems that he may have been shot twice in his back.
Picture a Guard armed, watching a guy with a large knife bearing down on a colleague. The Guard has a millisecond to react...

A righteous kill.
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: Rat Catcher on January 25, 2021, 06:37:49 pm
If that's what you believe, and I very much doubt it is, why did you deem it necessary to dream up further justification with elaborately fabricated evidence of supposedly relevant events?
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: silverbullet on January 25, 2021, 06:41:14 pm
He makes a good point, to be fair.
I was one of those who inadvertently shared a couple of photos believing them to be genuine. I took them down quicker than most social media platforms.

Most people share stuff when it comes from an apparently genuine source. It certainly taught some a lesson. It doesn't take away from the action by the Garda, being a righteous kill.

Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: silverbullet on January 25, 2021, 06:43:55 pm
If that's what you believe, and I very much doubt it is, why did you deem it necessary to dream up further justification with elaborately fabricated evidence of supposedly relevant events?
Contrary to the opinion of a singer of pop ditties, I'm not a member of a right-wing anything. I'm not even a member of the Groucho club FFS! 8)
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: Rat Catcher on January 25, 2021, 06:50:06 pm
It was a pretty obvious misrepresentation and, in fact, took me 3 seconds to find on a whole host of sites dedicated to incitement of racial hatred. Maybe you don't frequent those sites but we've had their content reproduced on here before and it's always pretty easy to invalidate, they're not very imaginative.
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: silverbullet on January 25, 2021, 06:58:42 pm
It was a pretty obvious misrepresentation and, in fact, took me 3 seconds to find on a whole host of sites dedicated to incitement of racial hatred. Maybe you don't frequent those sites but we've had their content reproduced on here before and it's always pretty easy to invalidate, they're not very imaginative.
Give any Mother access to a gun, then ask her what she'd do if her child was about to be stabbed by a crazed lunatic.
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: Rat Catcher on January 25, 2021, 07:02:54 pm
Indeed. They're emotional creatures, women. However, 25 allegedly highly trained men in full body armour ought to be able to disarm one solitary opponent. 

#justiceforgeorge
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: Bob Shillin on January 25, 2021, 07:23:28 pm
Not the Paper Of Record, but seems to have credibility.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/george-nkencho-shot-in-the-back-by-gardai-says-independent-report-xtjgp7znl (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/george-nkencho-shot-in-the-back-by-gardai-says-independent-report-xtjgp7znl)
https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/george-nkencho-shot-twice-back-23375647 (https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/george-nkencho-shot-twice-back-23375647)
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: markmiwurdz on January 25, 2021, 08:07:58 pm
I was the other person who posted the photos,when I discovered they were bogey because this site won't let you edit a post a few minutes after you've posted-that's where and why they stayed.

You come at an armed cop and you have a knife and you've already showed you're going to use it well you deserve what you get-irrespective of skin colour/gender/creed and whatever else distinguishes us from each other.
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: Rat Catcher on January 26, 2021, 07:42:27 pm
There's no evidence to suggest George had shown any intention to use the knife, MMW... at least not outside of those websites and social media groups that specialise in the promotion of racial hatred. The fact he didn't use the knife during the physical confrontation in the Spar shop kinda proves he had no such intent.
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: markmiwurdz on January 26, 2021, 08:18:19 pm
 So you didn't see the video where he's swing the knife at the cop outside the house when he got shot then?
Title: Re: Mighty white folk looking after their darker brothers
Post by: Rat Catcher on January 26, 2021, 08:23:53 pm
At the 25 men wearing helmets, face shields and full body armour pointing high powered weapons at him. He was like a frightened rabbit. Don't forget the young lad he was mentoring on the soccer team was stabbed through the heart in front of him in the same general area some years previous. He was clearly a mentally scarred individual in a state of blind panic.

Can you not find some chopped and shopped "CCTV" from the Spar shop to pedal?