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Title: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: john m on February 28, 2021, 11:30:48 pm
Horse trainer Gordon Elliott has apologised “profoundly" after a photograph of him apparently sitting on top of a dead horse was widely circulated on social media over the weekend.

In the photograph Elliott, who won back-to-back Grand National wins with Tiger Roll in 2018 and 2019 and has trained more than 30 Cheltenham winners, can be seen sitting on top of the horse and smiling at the camera and on his mobile phone.

The Longwood, Co Meath-based trainer is also displaying a peace sign with his left hand.

There has been some speculation online that the photograph was a fake or had been digitally manipulated.

However last night Mr Elliott confirmed that the photo, which is now the subject of an investigation by the Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board (IRHB), was taken “some time ago”.

In a statement he said: “I apologise profoundly for any offence that this photo has caused and can categorically state that the welfare of each and every horse under my care is paramount and has been central to the success that we have enjoyed here at Cullentra.

"The photo in question was taken some time ago and occurred after a horse had died of an apparent heart attack on the gallops. I appreciate that an initial viewing of this photo suggests it is a callous and staged photo but nothing could be further from the truth.

"At what was a sad time, which it is when any horse under my care passes away, my initial reaction was to get the body removed from where it was positioned.


                                                                   

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"I was standing over the horse waiting to help with the removal of the body, in the course of which, to my memory I received a call and, without thinking, I sat down to take it. Hearing a shout from one of my team, I gestured to wait until I was finished.

"Such background information may seem trivial at this time and will not allay the concerns of many people both within and outside the world of horse racing.

"However, I feel it is important to provide people with some context surrounding this photo. To the racing community, to anyone who has worked with and loves horses and to anyone offended by this image I cannot apologise enough.


"Horse welfare and the care and attention to detail involved is absolutely at the core of everything we do here and both myself and all of my team pride ourselves on those standards.

"Again I apologise for any offence caused and ask people to consider this statement as opposed to the various falsehoods and misinformation being circulated on social media.

"At this time I would like to stress that I continue to extend my full cooperation with the ongoing IHRB investigation.”


Mr Elliott (42) is one of Ireland’s most successful trainers.

An IHRB tweet confirmed the matter is undergoing investigation.

A spokesman said the investigation is ongoing and will be dealt with as quickly as possible.

Elliott is currently preparing for next month's Cheltenham Festival.

Tiger Roll is expected to run in the Cross-Country Chase at Cheltenham before trying for a record-equalling third Grand National triumph at Aintree on April 10.

In 2007 Gordon Elliott became the youngest ever trainer to win the Aintree Grand National, with the horse Silver Birch.
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: john m on February 28, 2021, 11:34:01 pm
Sorry Mate you are a disgrace your story dosent add up ...https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-9308249/Gordon-Elliot-investigation-image-sat-dead-horse-surfaces.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-9308249/Gordon-Elliot-investigation-image-sat-dead-horse-surfaces.html)
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: john m on February 28, 2021, 11:41:36 pm
Dont be surprised if Mick from inject and go decides to remove all his horses from Elliott tomorrow and announces Tiger Roll is retired .Mick from injrct and Go has no favourites this year in cheltenham .Look at the way he sits on the Horse not like you just dropped your arse to sit down .
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: markmiwurdz on March 01, 2021, 09:07:16 am
I'd say he's done after this,the anti horse racing fraternity out there of which there are many will have a field day with this.
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: Shallowhal on March 01, 2021, 09:53:04 am
Field day!!.....very good Marky,next you'll be tellin us you heard it from the horses mouth!
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: john m on March 01, 2021, 10:35:54 am
It dosent look great from one of the Countries best trainers .Its a PR disaster .The photo is old so why release it now .Probably more to this.


Betfair have discontinued their association with Gordon Elliott as an ambassador in the wake of a controversial photo emerging of the leading jumps trainer sitting on a dead horse.

The betting exchange giant have officially cut ties with the Meath trainer as the fallout continues after the shocking image emerged over the weekend and sparked a massive public outcry.

Elliott apologised for his actions late on Sunday night, but Betfair have wasted little time in releasing a statement this morning and parting ways with the Cullentra handler.
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: silverbullet on March 01, 2021, 01:12:20 pm
Field day!!.....very good Marky,next you'll be tellin us you heard it from the horses mouth!
He should accept it and move on. No point in flogging a dead horse!
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: silverbullet on March 01, 2021, 01:15:08 pm
It dosent look great from one of the Countries best trainers .Its a PR disaster .The photo is old so why release it now .Probably more to this.


Betfair have discontinued their association with Gordon Elliott as an ambassador in the wake of a controversial photo emerging of the leading jumps trainer sitting on a dead horse.

The betting exchange giant have officially cut ties with the Meath trainer as the fallout continues after the shocking image emerged over the weekend and sparked a massive public outcry.

Elliott apologised for his actions late on Sunday night, but Betfair have wasted little time in releasing a statement this morning and parting ways with the Cullentra handler.
A business that doesn't pay tax associated with a business that gets its fuel tax free. What's not to like?
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: markmiwurdz on March 01, 2021, 06:00:56 pm
Racing's equivalent  of 9/11 some of  the racing forums are saying,what a stupid thing for Elliot to do all the same with someone pointing a phone at him.
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: Punter on March 01, 2021, 06:10:35 pm
Well he definitely pissed off somebody very close to him to get the shot in first place ---its very much payback from somebody !

Wonder will Cheverly Park stay put ?
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: john m on March 01, 2021, 08:04:53 pm
MON, 01 MAR, 2021 - 19:16
ASHLEY IVESON
Gordon Elliott will not be permitted to have runners in Britain until the conclusion of an Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board investigation into an image on social media that showed the Grand National-winning trainer sitting on a dead horse on his gallops.

Racing authorities in Britain and Ireland have condemned the image, which Elliott confirmed in a statement on Sunday evening was genuine, apologising “profoundly for any offence that this photo has caused”, while seeking to explain what he said was the context of events that led to the photograph.

The IHRB has already launched a full investigation – and while Elliott is licensed in Ireland, the British Horseracing Authority said it was “appalled” by the image and was “considering its own regulatory options”, but has now acted.

A statement on Monday evening said: “The British Horseracing Authority will not allow the Irish trainer Gordon Elliott to race horses in Britain whilst the Irish authorities investigate an image that appeared on social media over the weekend.

“The trainer admitted the photo was genuine and apologised for his actions.

“The BHA, which regulates racing in Britain, will use powers under its own rules to refuse to allow horses trained by Mr Elliott to race in Britain pending consideration of the outcome of the Irish investigation.

“The action taken by the BHA recognises that Mr Elliott is licensed in Ireland, whose regulatory body, the IHRB, is carrying out its own investigation.

“However, Mr Elliott has entered horses to race in Britain, from which point the British rules of racing apply to him.

“The decision to refuse to allow horses trained by Mr Elliott to run in Britain is therefore an interim decision which the BHA regards as proportionate in these circumstances.”


Michael O'Leary accepts apology for 'grievous but momentary lapse of judgement' by Gordon Elliott
The BHA added that owners of horses currently trained by Elliott are permitted to transfer them to a different trainer and run them at a British meeting, “providing they comply with the relevant rules”.


 
An earlier statement had read: “The BHA is appalled by the image that appeared this weekend. We expect all those in our sport to demonstrate respect for horses, on the racecourse, in the training yard, on the gallops, and wherever they have horses in their care.

“People who work in our industry believe their values – of caring for and respecting our horses – have been deeply undermined by this behaviour. On their behalf, and on behalf of all horse lovers, we say loudly that British horseracing finds this totally unacceptable.

“The BHA is considering its own regulatory options, recognising that the Irish authorities license Mr Elliott and are carrying out their own investigation.”

Horse Racing Ireland echoed those sentiments, saying the picture was a “disservice” to people in racing.

A statement said: “Horse Racing Ireland unreservedly condemns the disturbing photograph that appeared on social media at the weekend.

“This image does not reflect the care, attention and respect that race horses receive, and does a disservice to the thousands of people who look after their horses on a daily basis. Horse Racing Ireland notes and supports the IHRB investigation into the circumstances around the photograph.

“From a disciplinary perspective, the matter is in process, so any further comment on the matter or the detail of the case at this time would not be appropriate.”

The IHRB is hoping for a speedy resolution to the case, with a spokesman adding: “As is the case with all investigations carried out by the IHRB, there is a process that must be followed – and that will be the case in this instance.

“As stated over the weekend, this will be dealt with as quickly as possible.”

Despite the controversy, it was business as usual for Elliott on the racecourse at least, as he sent out Black Tears to win the Grade Three Quevega Mares Hurdle at Punchestown – while Papal Lodge, Coach Carter, and Mighty Potter were also on the mark for the Cullentra team.

Elliott also received a boost as Gigginstown House Stud owner Michael O’Leary confirmed his team – including dual Grand National winner Tiger Roll – would be going nowhere, opting to accept an apology for a “grievous but momentary lapse of judgement from Gordon”.

Cheveley Park Stud, who count hot Cheltenham Festival favourite Envoi Allen among their Elliott string, said they were “truly horrified and dismayed by the photograph”, but will wait for the IHRB investigation to conclude before making any decisions on the future.

Sire Du Berlais is prominent in the betting for the Stayers’ Hurdle at the Festival. Frank Berry, racing manager for his owner JP McManus, declined to comment on the situation when contacted on Monday morning.

But online bookmakers Betfair – for whom Elliott has been an ambassador for several years – made a swift decision to cut ties with the trainer.

A statement read: “While we recognise that Gordon deeply regrets and apologised unreservedly for his poor judgement, his actions are completely at odds with the values of the Betfair brand and that of our employees.

“With that in mind, we have decided to discontinue our association with Gordon with immediate effect.”

The four-day Cheltenham Festival is due to get under way on March 16.

Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: john m on March 01, 2021, 08:06:23 pm
Well he definitely pissed off somebody very close to him to get the shot in first place ---its very much payback from somebody !

Wonder will Cheverly Park stay put ?

Im hearing Jessie Harrington is being sounded out .
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: Shallowhal on March 01, 2021, 08:07:31 pm
his actions are completely at odds with the values of the Betfair brand


What odds were they giving?
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: john m on March 01, 2021, 08:15:01 pm
his actions are completely at odds with the values of the Betfair brand


What odds were they giving?


Going to cost him millions any top owner will pull their horses .You simply dont need to be associated with this crap .
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: john m on March 01, 2021, 08:27:20 pm
owners will be permitted to transfer horses to a different trainer and run them at British meetings. Elliott has 104 entries in the early-closing races at this month's Cheltenham Festival, most notably the unbeaten superstar Envoi Allen.

Envoi Allen's owners Cheveley Park Stud also have stablemates Sir Gerhard, Ballyadam and Quilixios for the big meeting, while the Noel and Valerie Moran-owned Zanahiyr and Gigginstown House Stud-owned dual Grand National hero Tiger Roll are among other leading Elliott-trained hopes.
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: Punter on March 01, 2021, 09:02:34 pm
Does the punishment not outway the crime ?
Destroying his livelihood and that of about  ?? staff---Jesus we have seen taxi -drivers guilty of worse and still retain their livelihoods !
I reckon and note the I --people who deal with animal's on the scale of Elliot or his like --death is a day to day occurrence--where it appalls those on outside it is but the norm to them --I reckon the reaction is over the top !
Betfair/Paddy Power had no quams when they took 100s 000s from the Postmaster --even offered him corperate entertainment --and there are many more where they are complicit--its just a PR opportunity for them !
Remember when the media had a go at Martin Pipe for blood washing --only difference now  --social media ! 
I hope he survives--maybe nominate somebody to take over the training while he is on media trial --little doubt the Bowler Hats will roll with them regrettably !!
Wonder who screwed him ?
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: markmiwurdz on March 01, 2021, 09:05:12 pm
owners will be permitted to transfer horses to a different trainer and run them at British meetings. Elliott has 104 entries in the early-closing races at this month's Cheltenham Festival, most notably the unbeaten superstar Envoi Allen.

Envoi Allen's owners Cheveley Park Stud also have stablemates Sir Gerhard, Ballyadam and Quilixios for the big meeting, while the Noel and Valerie Moran-owned Zanahiyr and Gigginstown House Stud-owned dual Grand National hero Tiger Roll are among other leading Elliott-trained hopes.

Chevely Park already have horses with De Bromhead so he might be fav if and when.
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: john m on March 01, 2021, 09:14:45 pm
Does the punishment not outway the crime ?
Destroying his livelihood and that of about  ?? staff---Jesus we have seen taxi -drivers guilty of worse and still retain their livelihoods !
I reckon and note the I --people who deal with animal's on the scale of Elliot or his like --death is a day to day occurrence--where it appalls those on outside it is but the norm to them --I reckon the reaction is over the top !
Betfair/Paddy Power had no quams when they took 100s 000s from the Postmaster --even offered him corperate entertainment --and there are many more where they are complicit--its just a PR opportunity for them !
Remember when the media had a go at Martin Pipe for blood washing --only difference now  --social media ! 
I hope he survives--maybe nominate somebody to take over the training while he is on media trial --little doubt the Bowler Hats will roll with them regrettably !!
Wonder who screwed him ?

Thats an old photo so somebody waited .He probably sold someone a horse that turned out to be useless .There seems to be a reaction from the British Media .Unlike when Nicky Henderson drugged horses only got a 3 month summer racing ban and 40K fine .I would think there is definitely something sinister behind this .Whoever done his PR missed a trick .If he said the horse had collapsed and died and I wanted to stay with him until the vet came .He would of looked like a concerned trainer .
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: markmiwurdz on March 01, 2021, 10:11:31 pm
Disgruntled ex worker I'd say.
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: john m on March 01, 2021, 10:23:06 pm
If racing is so upset for a dead horse .Where is the condemnation of Britain's most successful owner Sheik Mohammed who kidnapped his Daughter and allows Gangsters live in his Sheikdom .No chance of HRI making any comment after they touched him for 5 million twords the new Curragh Stand .There seems to be an underlying tension in Irish racing since Christmas .I wonder if some Big trainers were jelous Elliott seemed to be attracting some big owners willing to invest big bucks that would effect the Status Quo .Bit like flat racing if your not an O brien you will struggle .Elliott is not from a racing dynasty .Mabey he just got too big for other peoples boots .
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: Shallowhal on March 01, 2021, 11:01:08 pm
Thoroughbred glue!!
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: silverbullet on March 02, 2021, 12:23:29 am
He's like Michael  O' Leary, treating his punters like cattle. 8)
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: Punter on March 02, 2021, 05:26:26 am
Wonder where Davy Russell  is in all this ?
 No support--yet Elliot supported him when he got into barney a few years ago --remember punching a horse in head and then when he lost the O Leary job--odd ?
 
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: markmiwurdz on March 02, 2021, 08:43:07 am
From another forum about who released the photo.
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I've heard its to do with women. A stable lass and another trainers daughter.


You are spot on. Was going out with another trainers daughter and was caught jockeying 1 of his employees. His now ex girlfriend got the pic released. Saw a video also of the Síbín he has also fairly full the same evening.
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: john m on March 02, 2021, 10:11:09 am
From a good source there is a video not just a photo .Others involved .Lad says to me now you know why having a mobile phone in the yard is a sackable offence in O Briens or Bolgers .Envoy Allen is gone .O leary is reconsidering .
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: john m on March 02, 2021, 10:19:36 am
Elliott looking for somebody to take over the licence until this is cleared up .Noel Meads name being mentioned in dispatches as any trainer must have an Irish trainers licence so cant be his head lad .
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: Shallowhal on March 02, 2021, 10:27:21 am
Jaysus...a woman scorned...i'd say there's loads of photos of ermy sitting on a high stool with the racing times hangin out of his back pocket that he wouldn't like to see hitting the Clondalkin Echo....or the neighbourhood facecunt page!!
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: john m on March 02, 2021, 10:27:46 am
Im hearing Kate Harrington may be the woman involved Irony if her Ma gets some good horses? There is rumour of a top jickey photoed on a different dead horse .This thing has more to go .Willie Mullins must be laughing his bollox off .
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: john m on March 02, 2021, 11:22:50 am
I wouldnt actually call him a Jockey ....https://www.goracing.ie/racing-statistics/jockeys/data/?jid=6937 (https://www.goracing.ie/racing-statistics/jockeys/data/?jid=6937)
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: john m on March 02, 2021, 11:30:21 am
Well he definitely pissed off somebody very close to him to get the shot in first place ---its very much payback from somebody !

Wonder will Cheverly Park stay put ?

Fella just rang me he says Joseph O Brien has been asked to take them over ?
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: Punter on March 02, 2021, 11:48:26 am
Gas if Joseph gets them --a few years ago Kate supposedly  got warned off by Ann Marie for teaching a young Joe how to ride--I believe Donacha could nearly take up stud duties in Coolmore he is putting it about so much ,God its a great game for a gallop--oh to be young again !

You would think there would be several trainers waiting to take on the License, thinking of all the 10% trainers commission that's a begging until a full result of inquiry --only hope that the other video that's floating about isn't about same story or he is truly fucked !
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: john m on March 02, 2021, 12:36:24 pm
Some amount of Fuckers in that Game .Fallon was alleged to be riding Cecils Mare and Asmusen was jocked off for fucking a Ballydoyle Filly .Ruby was ordered back to Ireland for Siring a son with a bird out of Nicholls .Even Lester ended up with a son by a different Broodmare .The Horset set get upset when they crossbreed outside the Game most of them marry other trainers kids or jockies marry into trainers families to increase the money pile .Elliott was is an outsider no real connection to the Game .
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: john m on March 02, 2021, 01:27:19 pm
Now looks like Willie or De Broomhead will get Chevley Park horses .Might be a good move by Joseph  O Brien not to get involved .
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: Punter on March 02, 2021, 02:40:48 pm
Well at least Paul Carberry came out in support ---O Leary seems to be still on board, going to accompany him to inquiry on Fri !

Jane Mangan siding with the female end of things !

We think taxi industry is bad --there are some amount of back stabbers out there  !
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: john m on March 02, 2021, 03:18:25 pm
Leading owners Cheveley Park Stud have announced that they will be removing their eight horses from Gordon Elliott's yard after a picture emerged of the trainer sitting on a dead horse.

One of the most successful breeding and ownership operations in the sport, Cheveley Park are more renowned for their success on the Flat, but have ramped up their interest in National Hunt racing in recent years and already enjoyed multiple winners at the Cheltenham Festival.

The most notable is the brilliant Envoi Allen, arguably the most exciting horse in Elliott’s yard following back-to-back Festival wins in the Champion Bumper and the Ballymore Novices’ Hurdle in his unbeaten career to date.


However, the horses will be removed from Elliott - whose hearing with the Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board will take place on Friday - and moved to Henry de Bromhead and Willie Mullins.

Cheveley Park director Richard Thompson told Sky Sports Racing: “We’ve made a decision this morning to move the horses from Gordon’s yard.

“We have eight horses [with Elliott] and they’ll go to Henry de Bromhead and Willie Mullins. That will be organised by Chris Richardson [Cheveley Park’s managing director] and the team. Logistics are in place and we’re organising it right now.”

Confirming plans for the team’s four Cheltenham Festival contenders, Thompson said Marsh Novices’ Chase favourite Envoi Allen will join De Bromhead, along with Supreme Novices’ Hurdle contender Ballyadam and possible Triumph Hurdle hope Quilixios.

Sir Gerhard, who is set to put his unbeaten record on the line in the Weatherbys Champion Bumper, will be trained by Mullins, who already houses the favourite for the race in Kilcruit.

Thompson is hoping any affect to the horses’ training routines, with the Festival only a fortnight away, will be minimal.

He added: “Hopefully, with trainers like Henry and Willie and the Cheveley team headed by Chris, we’ve got real professionals on the job to hopefully be able to resolve this very quickly. It should be very smooth. That’s what we’re hoping for. It’s just very unfortunate timing, obviously.”

Reputation to consider

Thompson feels Cheveley Park ultimately had little option but to move the horses to other yards to ensure their reputation remained intact.

He said: “We had to consider what was happening [on Monday] with the building story and the backdrop of Cheveley’s reputation – in terms of maybe the most important British-owned racing and breeding operation in the UK.

“This reputation has been built up with various breeders and many people support us. We had to look at the situation in context of where Cheveley sit in the industry and our responsibility to the industry in Britain. It’s obviously very disappointing and extremely upsetting for the industry.

“People love horses and we, as a family, purchased Cheveley Park in 1975, so we’ve been racing and breeding for coming up to 46 years.

“I don’t know what the implications are longer term – I’m not close enough to the centre of the politics of racing and how it works between Britain and Ireland.

“All I know is, with my Cheveley Park Stud hat on, we had to take a decision as a board of directors to disassociate ourselves with Gordon at this time and do the right thing by the stud and by the industry.”

When asked if there was a possibility of Cheveley Park having horses with Elliott again in the long-term, Thompson added: “For the time being we’re moving the horses and that’s it.

“Obviously for Gordon, it’s a terrible time for him, but he’s made a terrible error of judgement, which he admits. I explained to him that we had to do the right thing by Cheveley Park and the right thing by our standing in the industry and what people expect of us.

“I’m not going to make a comment about long-term, but certainly in the short to medium term these horses will stay with Henry and Willie.”

Kennedy to keep Envoi Allen ride at Cheltenham

While plans remain uncertain in such a fast-moving situation, Thompson expects Jack Kennedy to keep the ride on Envoi Allen at Cheltenham.

He said: “Envoi Allen has had Davy Russell and recently Jack Kennedy, and I personally would like to stick to continuity on retaining Davy and/or Jack, depending on injuries etc. With Envoi in particular, we want to stick to the previous relationships.”


Elliott has been “cooperating fully” with the IHRB since a photograph of him sitting on a dead horse on his gallops was posted on Twitter on Saturday night. On Monday the British Horseracing Association barred him from having runners in Britain while the image is investigated.

On Tuesday afternoon, the IHRB published a new statement on its Twitter account, which read: “The Referrals Committee of the Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board is scheduled to convene on Friday 5th March to hear evidence and consider an investigation relating to Mr. Gordon Elliott (Trainer).”

 
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: Bob Shillin on March 02, 2021, 05:06:59 pm
Some amount of Fuckers in that Game .Fallon was alleged to be riding Cecils Mare and Asmusen was jocked off for fucking a Ballydoyle Filly .Ruby was ordered back to Ireland for Siring a son with a bird out of Nicholls .Even Lester ended up with a son by a different Broodmare .The Horset set get upset when they crossbreed outside the Game most of them marry other trainers kids or jockies marry into trainers families to increase the money pile .Elliott was is an outsider no real connection to the Game .
All those involved with horses are "earthy" people. Jilly Cooper had a rich wellspring for her scribblings.
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 02, 2021, 05:58:58 pm
Elliot's not from horsey stock, BS. His aulfella was a motor mechanic, I believe - although I did hear of him sourcing horses for several international standard show jumpers a few years back. Anywaysanall, he's quite a vulgar man. I once heard him swear on television. Fitting that he has O'Leary's support, I guess.
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: silverbullet on March 02, 2021, 06:01:01 pm
Elliot's not from horsey stock, BS. His aulfella was a motor mechanic, I believe - although I did hear of him sourcing horses for several international standard show jumpers a few years back. Anywaysanall, he's quite a vulgar man. I once heard him swear on television. Fitting that he has O'Leary's support, I guess.
Does horsey stock have carrots and onions in it?
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: john m on March 02, 2021, 06:26:58 pm
If Elliott is barred .Is there a rule for how long a horse has to be in another Trainers care before it can run in that trainers name ?
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 02, 2021, 07:23:58 pm
Another video of a jockey doing something remarkably similar is doing the rounds, a chap by the name of Rob James. If that name rings a bell it's probably because he rode Milan Native to victory in the Fulke Walwyn Kim Muir Challenge Cup Amateur Riders' Handicap Chase at last year's Cheltenham festival. Interestingly, Milan Native is/was owned by O'Leary and trained by Elliot.

Seems to be something of a "thing" with that crew... definitely not an isolated incident.
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: Punter on March 02, 2021, 07:56:09 pm
Wonder where JP is in all this --if he came out on Elliot's side it would be a big plus !

Russell still silent --not a lot of people you could call mates in that world !
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 02, 2021, 08:04:51 pm
Reminds me of telling someone that I was thinking of emigrating to Switzerland a good few years ago. Why Switzerland, says she... Well, the flag's a big plus, says I.

Apologies STC.
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 02, 2021, 08:06:39 pm
Anything other than lifetime bans for Elliot, James, O'Leary and anyone else who supports this carry on would be a whitewash. Get them out... Now!
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: markmiwurdz on March 02, 2021, 10:09:50 pm
If Elliott is barred .Is there a rule for how long a horse has to be in another Trainers care before it can run in that trainers name ?

As far as I know they can run the next day if the paperwork is done,like if you claim a horse out of a seller.
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: stonethecrows on March 02, 2021, 10:40:07 pm
Reminds me of telling someone that I was thinking of emigrating to Switzerland a good few years ago. Why Switzerland, says she... Well, the flag's a big plus, says I.

Apologies STC.
Classic
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: silverbullet on March 02, 2021, 11:22:09 pm
Anything other than lifetime bans for Elliot, James, O'Leary and anyone else who supports this carry on would be a whitewash. Get them out... Now!

Neigh Neigh, thrice Neigh! 8)
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: Punter on March 03, 2021, 12:12:44 pm
It appears the Instigator arrived in the stable pub to find Gordon doing a bit of mouth to mouth with a stable lass--one word led to another and the two birds ended up on the deck--the Instigator ended up with a black eye, hence non appearance in Dundalk on Friday for her TV gig--there is one thing certain he is going to be screwed to the wall maybe 100k fine and warned off 6 months --business destroyed !
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: john m on March 03, 2021, 12:23:18 pm
Im going to call this a bit different Punter .The Brits are putting the boot in HRI wont like Paddy bashing .O leary will supply top lawyers scare the shite out of HRI Im sure Elliott knows where some of the bodies are buried .My guess 30K fine and warned about his future conduct .Nothing more to see here .

HRI have treated the more elite trainers with kit gloves while banning others .Last thing they will want ids a ferel Elliott spilling the beans .
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: silverbullet on March 03, 2021, 12:43:31 pm
Im going to call this a bit different Punter .The Brits are putting the boot in HRI wont like Paddy bashing .O leary will supply top lawyers scare the shite out of HRI Im sure Elliott knows where some of the bodies are buried .My guess 30K fine and warned about his future conduct .Nothing more to see here .

HRI have treated the more elite trainers with kit gloves while banning others .Last thing they will want ids a ferel Elliott spilling the beans .
Does he know where the horses are buried?
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 03, 2021, 05:50:36 pm
Is there any footage from the stable shebeen or is that just hearsay, erm?
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: markmiwurdz on March 03, 2021, 06:17:23 pm
Is there any footage from the stable shebeen or is that just hearsay, erm?

I saw it (cant's remember where) but Elliott says it's from last Cheltenham when there were no restrictions.
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 03, 2021, 06:20:44 pm
Lying cunt... Elliott, that is...
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: watty on March 03, 2021, 06:28:47 pm
Don't know if it's been asked already but what is the 'normal' procedure when a horse drops dead?  Does it get a 'ceremonial' burial with its own plot & headstone or is it fukked onto the back of a lorry and taken away to a knackery?
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: Shallowhal on March 03, 2021, 06:45:00 pm
Don't know if it's been asked already but what is the 'normal' procedure when a horse drops dead?  Does it get a 'ceremonial' burial with its own plot & headstone or is it fukked onto the back of a lorry and taken away to a knackery?

Nah....the trainer sits on it and gets his photo taken!!
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: john m on March 03, 2021, 07:01:03 pm
Knacker comes and collects it then its butchered and exported to Europe where it is turned into Animal feed .Dead horsemeat is not allowed into the Irish foodchain .If Iceland want to add Pony to their Meat pies them must butcher the Pony from Live animals .
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: silverbullet on March 03, 2021, 07:01:31 pm
Don't know if it's been asked already but what is the 'normal' procedure when a horse drops dead?  Does it get a 'ceremonial' burial with its own plot & headstone or is it fukked onto the back of a lorry and taken away to a knackery?

Nah....the trainer sits on it and gets his photo taken!!

Funny him sitting on a dead horse and riding a dog!
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: Shallowhal on March 03, 2021, 07:12:11 pm
Don't know if it's been asked already but what is the 'normal' procedure when a horse drops dead?  Does it get a 'ceremonial' burial with its own plot & headstone or is it fukked onto the back of a lorry and taken away to a knackery?

Nah....the trainer sits on it and gets his photo taken!!

Funny him sitting on a dead horse and riding a dog!

She turned out to be some bitch alri!!
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: watty on March 03, 2021, 07:14:07 pm
Knacker comes and collects it then its butchered and exported to Europe where it is turned into Animal feed .Dead horsemeat is not allowed into the Irish foodchain .If Iceland want to add Pony to their Meat pies them must butcher the Pony from Live animals .
If so, I don't understand what the fuss is?  The trainer was basically sitting on a large can of dog food.  It just had no label on it yet!
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: Shallowhal on March 03, 2021, 07:15:30 pm
Knacker comes and collects it then its butchered and exported to Europe where it is turned into Animal feed .Dead horsemeat is not allowed into the Irish foodchain .If Iceland want to add Pony to their Meat pies them must butcher the Pony from Live animals .
If so, I don't understand what the fuss is?  The trainer was basically sitting on a large can of dog food.  It just had no label on it yet!

Unprocessed food?
Title: Re: When you bring sport into the gutter
Post by: john m on March 05, 2021, 12:37:22 am
JANE MANGAN
IT'S a fortnight to the Cheltenham Festival and instead of discussing the highlights on the horizon, it would be remiss of me not to address the storm that has engulfed our sport during the past week – that picture.

Gordon Elliott is a self-made man. The son of a panel-beater and a housewife from Summerhill, Elliott learned his trade as an amateur jockey with the great Martin Pipe before moving home to set up his stable in county Meath.

He sent out his first runners in 2006 and was yet to train a winner in Ireland when he won the Aintree Grand National with the Paul Nicholls cast-off Silver Birch in 2007.

Since then, two more Grand Nationals would follow courtesy of Tiger Roll along with 32 Cheltenham Festival winners including a Gold Cup with Don Cossack.


The picture is indefensible.
Elliott sitting on the ill-fated Morgan, chatting on the phone while smiling for the camera.

Disgraceful. Shameless. Disappointing.

Not only has this picture sent shockwaves through Cullentra but the entire industry has felt the tremors of this quake. Headline news on every media outlet throughout the week, racing has found its reputation pinned to a dartboard for anyone with an opinion to fire at the bullseye.

In the age of social media, everyone is entitled to their opinion and while we are not the judge or the jury, the online comments surrounding this case have been toxic, venomous even. Nobody denies there must be severe repercussions for such a heartless act but let’s be mindful that this man has watched his life’s work burn in an overnight flame.


Last week, Elliott was responsible for over a quarter of the handicap entries at the Cheltenham Festival and a number of Grade 1 favourites including Zanahiyr in the Triumph Hurdle and Envoi Allen in the Festival Chase. By Monday afternoon, the British Horseracing Authority released a statement outlining that Elliott would not be permitted to have any runners in the UK pending the outcome of the IHRB investigation.

The innocent parties in this scandal are not only the horses in question but the staff who care for them on a daily basis.
 

Those who have forged relationships with these animals and know their characters, habits and preferences like nobody else.

On Tuesday afternoon, Cheveley Park Stud announced that they would be moving their eight horses from Elliott’s yard to Henry de Bromhead and Willie Mullins. Sir Gerhard, Grangeclare West and Classic Getaway to Mullins – Envoi Allen, Ballyadam, Malone Road, Quilixios and Guily Billy to Henry de Bromhead.


Imagine the heartache of watching the animals you adore leave their environment and the people they recognize as comrades. Horses react to their environment and the people around them, this revelation will have hurt Gordon Elliott more than any suspension ever could.

FALLOUT

A workforce of nearly 80 people await Gordon’s fate. What will the outcome mean for them?

It is not for you, me or anyone online to decide what consequences should follow such actions, that responsibility lay with the Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board. Elliott faces an IHRB disciplinary panel today, where a suspension of his license seems almost inevitable but what of his future?


Nobody can deny this man is a phenomenal trainer of racehorses. He will be sanctioned and he will serve his penance but when all is said and done, he has the right to rebuild his life.

He has the ability to succeed again and while the wound is fresh, some might deem this as lenient or unfair, but we must remember that this is a man who has admitted his mistake and vowed to learn from this dark chapter in his life.