Irish Taxi Forum
Public Area => Taxi Talk => Topic started by: john m on December 08, 2017, 10:21:48 am
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Whatever happened to the european court of justice ruling that was due this year ?
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New Irish government proposed laws .....Core terms of employment within five days of staff beginning work including the expected duration of the contract;
The rate or method of calculating pay;
What the employer “reasonably” expects the normal length of the employee’s working day and week to be.
If the employer does not provide those details within one month, they will be deemed to have committed a criminal offence.
does this mean rideshare casual work is not allowed or are UBER drivers self employed ?But how can you be self employed if you only depend UBER for your fares .
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The mark of the Beast..... >:D
"London mayor Sadiq Khan has appointed the capital’s first chief digital officer (CDO) ... Camden Councillor, Theo Blackwell ... will take the lead on work to digitally transform public services and turn London into the world’s smartest city”. Barcodes on your head lads........cashless society promulgated by Uber and the rest of them.
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FG to introduce new laws to cover casual work not to protect the worker but to make sure they get their bit of tax to many casual cash in hand merchants like rickshaw drivers deliveroo office cleaners women cleaning houses as you say LIP cashless would cut out the black market .
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Don't see what Uber have to do with it but the banks are pushing towards cashless with or without us.I think they're offering some deals if you use yer AIB card to book a Mytaxi cab.And they're also sponsoring Flag too.Cost them to accept cash but they can charge users for card payments.Our own banks are gonna screw us before Uber gets a chance.
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Had to squeeze it in somewhere and Johnny always has something to say...just threw it in. Our own banks will shaft us alright....it's their business to do so.
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Don't see what Uber have to do with it but the banks are pushing towards cashless with or without us.I think they're offering some deals if you use yer AIB card to book a Mytaxi cab.And they're also sponsoring Flag too.Cost them to accept cash but they can charge users for card payments.Our own banks are gonna screw us before Uber gets a chance.
Passenger of mine today was telling me cash is on the way. He pays his milkman by e-transfer! Apparently, the milkman prefers to get paid electronically a week later rather than cash in hand day-by-day?
Anyways, got where we were going and the fare was €14. Gave me €15 and 'keep the change'. Wonder if I would have gotten that tip if he'd paid me electronically?
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No app customers don't tip often,it's especially noticable this time of year.It's another reason they drivers don't bother working apps.
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Don't see what Uber have to do with it but the banks are pushing towards cashless with or without us.I think they're offering some deals if you use yer AIB card to book a Mytaxi cab.And they're also sponsoring Flag too.Cost them to accept cash but they can charge users for card payments.Our own banks are gonna screw us before Uber gets a chance.
See then we all just stop doing mytaxi work and do the streets
Cash there
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To be fair, a lot of mytaxi clients who pay by card have preset tips, usually 10%.
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I'm not seeing that during the day.App customers don't tip in my experience.This is just one example the other months are similar.
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Back on topic does the governments proposed bill mean that the likes of deliveroo or UBER will have to guarantee working hours and minimum pay or can they get off the hook by saying that operators are sole traders or is it just window dressing that wont make fuck all difference .
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Last time I looked at the figures was before PUC was charged. Had another look now and it has dropped significantly. I suppose a good few punters concluded that PUC negates the need for gratuities.
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Back on topic does the governments proposed bill mean that the likes of deliveroo or UBER will have to guarantee working hours and minimum pay or can they get off the hook by saying that operators are sole traders or is it just window dressing that wont make fuck all difference .
Would we get guaranteed wages from Uber, mytaxi, Whistle and Flag?
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^^^^^^Most of my passengers are suits.My rating is 4.92 even though the car is relatively manky.I think the folks in the office are manipulating the ratings.A few weeks ago my rating creeped up to 4.95 then fell quickly back to 4.89 without incident.They don't want 11.8 year old taxis getting near 5 stars I reckon.Looks bad.I'm pretty sure yer rating is part of the job allocation algorithm.I'll not be upgrading for a long while yet.
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Back on topic does the governments proposed bill mean that the likes of deliveroo or UBER will have to guarantee working hours and minimum pay or can they get off the hook by saying that operators are sole traders or is it just window dressing that wont make fuck all difference .
Would we get guaranteed wages from Uber, mytaxi, Whistle and Flag?
Different we are not working exclusively for anybody we can cove our own work but if rideshare was introduced legally you would be indentured to the app provider bit like the British court decision where they ruled that UBERISTS were employees and entitled to minimum and holiday scheckles .
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The majority of Uber drivers in London are aligned to local bases as well. All are licensed to work for any or as many app and/or minicab firms as they please... same as us.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2017/12/09/uber-heads-court-appeal-london-ban/ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2017/12/09/uber-heads-court-appeal-london-ban/)
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BIG DECISION NEXT WEEK ..IS UBER A TAXI FIRM OR A TECH FIRM . a critical decision at Europe’s highest court that will determine its regulatory future in Europe. A week on Wednesday, the European Court of Justice (ECJ) will decide whether Uber should qualify as a technology or transport company, a decision that may see it bound to strict local taxi regulations.
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BIG DECISION NEXT WEEK ..IS UBER A TAXI FIRM OR A TECH FIRM . a critical decision at Europe’s highest court that will determine its regulatory future in Europe. A week on Wednesday, the European Court of Justice (ECJ) will decide whether Uber should qualify as a technology or transport company, a decision that may see it bound to strict local taxi regulations.
Did it not alteady do thst
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BIG DECISION NEXT WEEK ..IS UBER A TAXI FIRM OR A TECH FIRM . a critical decision at Europe’s highest court that will determine its regulatory future in Europe. A week on Wednesday, the European Court of Justice (ECJ) will decide whether Uber should qualify as a technology or transport company, a decision that may see it bound to strict local taxi regulations.
Did it not alteady do thst
No they issued a directive but that is not the final judgement .IF its a tech company then they dont need to use licenced vehicles .I wonder if mytaxi got inside info and if they might say they are a tec company but compromise and say all drivers may be licenced by the national authority ,Rat posted a message from my taxi inviting people to come and work for them if they complete their 8 week course twords getting a psv driving licence seems strange to train drivers if you dont have the taxies for them to drive .As you know I always thought rideshare would be legal before the end of the year .
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So, will the rideshare drivers be entitled to guaranteed wages from Uber, mytaxi, Flag, Whistle, Lyft, Via and Taxify? Half a dozen plus minimum wage packets without putting the motor into first gear isn't to be coughed at.
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So, will the rideshare drivers be entitled to guaranteed wages from Uber, mytaxi, Flag, Whistle, Lyft, Via and Taxify? Half a dozen plus minimum wage packets without putting the motor into first gear isn't to be coughed at.
Im sure mytaxi could divert enough TAXI work to rideshare drivers to guarentee 9 and change an hour to civilian drivers before commission and costs.You wont be boasting about all the bonus cash you earned while you built their data base for them .
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... but will the rideshare drivers be entitled to the tenner/hour from all the other firms they're aligned to as well? With a guaranteed ton an hour my roof sign will be in the green bin.
Do you still believe that we should support mytaxi to the exclusion of all other firms or are you starting to realise that competition would be desirable, erm?
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Im sure if rideshare is allowed the app providers will guarentee a wage only if you cover 100% of job offers while logged on so that should contain your concerns Im also sure logoritms will prevent over regestering of drivers unless work is available .But you could possibly log on in leitrim and never get a job and clain the hourly .IF rideshare is allowed im sure the insurance industry will help us out be increasing public hire insurance to astronomical levels .
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Astronomical...Erm you should get a job in NASA you know all the terminology...
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BIG DECISION NEXT WEEK ..IS UBER A TAXI FIRM OR A TECH FIRM . a critical decision at Europe’s highest court that will determine its regulatory future in Europe. A week on Wednesday, the European Court of Justice (ECJ) will decide whether Uber should qualify as a technology or transport company, a decision that may see it bound to strict local taxi regulations.
Did it not alteady do thst
No they issued a directive but that is not the final judgement .IF its a tech company then they dont need to use licenced vehicles .I wonder if mytaxi got inside info and if they might say they are a tec company but compromise and say all drivers may be licenced by the national authority ,Rat posted a message from my taxi inviting people to come and work for them if they complete their 8 week course twords getting a psv driving licence seems strange to train drivers if you dont have the taxies for them to drive .As you know I always thought rideshare would be legal before the end of the year .
Did u pay belker yet
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BIG DECISION NEXT WEEK ..IS UBER A TAXI FIRM OR A TECH FIRM . a critical decision at Europe’s highest court that will determine its regulatory future in Europe. A week on Wednesday, the European Court of Justice (ECJ) will decide whether Uber should qualify as a technology or transport company, a decision that may see it bound to strict local taxi regulations.
Did it not alteady do thst
No they issued a directive but that is not the final judgement .IF its a tech company then they dont need to use licenced vehicles .I wonder if mytaxi got inside info and if they might say they are a tec company but compromise and say all drivers may be licenced by the national authority ,Rat posted a message from my taxi inviting people to come and work for them if they complete their 8 week course twords getting a psv driving licence seems strange to train drivers if you dont have the taxies for them to drive .As you know I always thought rideshare would be legal before the end of the year .
Did u pay belker yet
To be Fair to the man, he did indeed.
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No they issued a directive but that is not the final judgement .IF its a tech company then they dont need to use licenced vehicles .I wonder if mytaxi got inside info and if they might say they are a tec company but compromise and say all drivers may be licenced by the national authority ,Rat posted a message from my taxi inviting people to come and work for them if they complete their 8 week course twords getting a psv driving licence seems strange to train drivers if you dont have the taxies for them to drive .As you know I always thought rideshare would be legal before the end of the year .
One paragraph and you use the word 'IF' Five times !
'IF' my Aunty had Balls, then she would have been my Uncle !
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No they issued a directive but that is not the final judgement .IF its a tech company then they dont need to use licenced vehicles .I wonder if mytaxi got inside info and if they might say they are a tec company but compromise and say all drivers may be licenced by the national authority ,Rat posted a message from my taxi inviting people to come and work for them if they complete their 8 week course twords getting a psv driving licence seems strange to train drivers if you dont have the taxies for them to drive .As you know I always thought rideshare would be legal before the end of the year .
One paragraph and you use the word 'IF' Five times !
'IF' my Aunty had Balls, then she would have been my Uncle !
I thought if was important to for clarity. IF there is any ambiguity it MIGHT not be great for us IF they are a tec company then they are free to set up in business irrespective of local rules but IF the local licencing authority decide to licence drivers which is what I suggested might be the outcome that rideshare would be legal with the drivers not the cars licenced ,but IF they are a transport company as suggested in the pre judgement from earlier this year then we are going to stay as we are .
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If a lot more people here were more careful and used the word "if" more frequently...there "would" be several more contributors posting....Scriptio Continua.
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I wonder why Mytaxi were funding the course for people to get a psv driving licence when they dont have taxies .IF it turns out to be a fudge our future might not be great IF its a fudge ,
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Leading Lemmings closer to the precipice...but they refuse to see it as the cliff isn't directly in front of them.......yet.
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Just spell it out lads.
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Did the prejudgment not say transport so ok
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Did the prejudgment not say transport so ok
The pre judgement said they were a transport company but that was before there was an opportunity to collect up some brown envelopes .only took 8 months to type up the final judgement ,Lets hope they are adjudged to be a transport company as the Rodent opined most drivers in the UK are minicab drivers not freelancers .
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All are freelance minicab drivers in London. AFAIK, the rest of the UK is the same. I'm not aware of UberPop operating anywhere on the British Isles.
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Did the prejudgment not say transport so ok
The pre judgement said they were a transport company but that was before there was an opportunity to collect up some brown envelopes .only took 8 months to type up the final judgement ,Lets hope they are adjudged to be a transport company as the Rodent opined most drivers in the UK are minicab drivers not freelancers .
So why u pay ken them
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Did the prejudgment not say transport so ok
The pre judgement said they were a transport company but that was before there was an opportunity to collect up some brown envelopes .only took 8 months to type up the final judgement ,Lets hope they are adjudged to be a transport company as the Rodent opined most drivers in the UK are minicab drivers not freelancers .
So why u pay ken them
The prejudgement said they are a transport company I dont think that will change we will know for certain next Wednesday .If they are adjudged to be a tec company then we are all fucked .
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absolutely appalling.
the equivalent of paying €180 from College Green to malahide.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-42311505 (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-42311505)
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"dynamic pricing" rofl rofl
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Malahide to College Green in snow. I don't know about Birmingham but that's a day's work in Dublin... and a fukking doctor who has no problem taking 60 notes for writing a couple of words on a prescription would happily give a hackney/limousine driver €30.
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IF they were allowed to operate in this Village with unlicenced cars Im sure the taxithingey would insist on the fare card being the legal maximum fare but then again Limos can charge what they like. Anyhoo IF they become legal I might take up smuggling over the invisible border ,back in the day before Lidil and Aldi you could go up to the north fill your truck with cheap crap bring it down and sell it. A lucrative trade was had by going into the big distributors of magazines and newspapers and buying up all the out of date porno mags for 20p each and flogging them down here to specialist shops for £2 a copy .
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Why would unlicensed operators be subject to fare restrictions that don't apply to licensed operators?
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Why would unlicensed operators be subject to fare restrictions that don't apply to licensed operators?
Dynamic pricing ?I suppose IF they are allowed as you say the fare card only applies to taxies anyhoo The ECJ has signaled they are a transport company and lets hope they stick to that in the Full Judgement due out next Wednesday .
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Would it still be allowed to use licensed minicabs in the UK and licensed hackneys/limousines as mytaxi does here if it is judged to be a transport firm and, if so, would those minicabs/hackneys/limousines be subject to maximum price regulation?
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Would it still be allowed to use licensed minicabs in the UK and licensed hackneys/limousines as mytaxi does here if it is judged to be a transport firm and, if so, would those minicabs/hackneys/limousines be subject to maximum price regulation?
I believe they would not be restricted I observed in one tread where mytaxi had an initial 4 euro charge while taxies did not charge 4 euro on tarriff 1 so the answer to your question is in practice only licenced taxies are bound by the fare card while licenced hacks are not bound by the farecard IF the ECJ was to fudge the issue then im sure Mytaxi would exploit their data base and distribute the work between both licenced taxies and ridesharers with possibly a little icon on the hail app to express a prefrence for a taxi or a ridesharer .Any hoo as I type the ECJ have signilled that UBER is a Transport provider so would have to meet most or possibly some local restrictions .
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Malahide to College Green in snow. I don't know about Birmingham but that's a day's work in Dublin... and a fukking doctor who has no problem taking 60 notes for writing a couple of words on a prescription would happily give a hackney/limousine driver €30.
I would'nt be averse to giving gouging criminals a taste of their own medicine but it'll be the same story on new year's eve in perfect weather for regular civilians. I've been to a GP 3 times in my life and each time it's been a disaster. Treated like an arsehole.
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Nightclubs will be charging treble on the door, restaurants will have special menus, etc... Why shouldn't we be allowed charge a premium?
... and what about the men who work Christmas day?
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6 times the price?
Would you pay €30 for a pint of gargle.
we do charge premium baby on Christmas day, but we don't scalp cunts.
this is why regulated taxis with meters were invented in the first place, to prevent scum going out in a car and robbing people.
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Price elasticity of supply and demand. If there's a shortage of taxis the metered fare obviously isn't enough to get drivers working. I wouldn't pay €30 for a pint but many will pay that and probably more to get into a nightclub. Treble fare with a minimum €50 would seem fair for Christmas day. How much do you reckon a plumber would charge just to call out and scratch his head on Christmas day?
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6 times the price?
Would you pay €30 for a pint of gargle.
we do charge premium baby on Christmas day, but we don't scalp cunts.
this is why regulated taxis with meters were invented in the first place, to prevent scum going out in a car and robbing people.
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/jalopnik.com/uber-is-sorry-for-charging-a-rider-over-14-000-for-a-2-1821227602/amp#ampshare=https://jalopnik.com/uber-is-sorry-for-charging-a-rider-over-14-000-for-a-2-1821227602 (https://www.google.ie/amp/s/jalopnik.com/uber-is-sorry-for-charging-a-rider-over-14-000-for-a-2-1821227602/amp#ampshare=https://jalopnik.com/uber-is-sorry-for-charging-a-rider-over-14-000-for-a-2-1821227602)
What about 14 000 for 20 min
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Price elasticity of supply and demand. If there's a shortage of taxis the metered fare obviously isn't enough to get drivers working. I wouldn't pay €30 for a pint but many will pay that and probably more to get into a nightclub. Treble fare with a minimum €50 would seem fair for Christmas day. How much do you reckon a plumber would charge just to call out and scratch his head on Christmas day?
I had a lovely woman last Saturday. Fare was €13 and she handed me two tenners. Keep the change she said. Not at all. I battled to give her a fiver back. But that's just me.
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I had a lovely woman last Saturday. Fare was €13 and she handed me two tenners. Keep the change she said. Not at all. I battled to give her a fiver back. But that's just me.
I had a similar fare last weekend, 3 auld lads, the first fella gave me a Tenner on exiting
and the last Two lads got out together a good bit further on, the fare came to 24 n' odd
and I asked fer only 14 as the First lad had paid a Tenner.
Yer-man-o hands me a Score note and a Fiver, I too battled to give him back the Fiver
but he wasn't having it !
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Nightclubs will be charging treble on the door, restaurants will have special menus, etc... Why shouldn't we be allowed charge a premium?
... and what about the men who work Christmas day?
That's just Greed charging those prices. I always work on Christmas night (Hailo/Mytaxi hops !)
I find the Chrimbo rate and the exceptional tips to be enough to work fer
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Would it still be allowed to use licensed minicabs in the UK and licensed hackneys/limousines as mytaxi does here if it is judged to be a transport firm and, if so, would those minicabs/hackneys/limousines be subject to maximum price regulation?
The known unknowns and the unknown knowns rears its head again.
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That's just Greed charging those prices. I always work on Christmas night (Hailo/Mytaxi hops !)
I find the Chrimbo rate and the exceptional tips to be enough to work fer
It's business. The reason mytaxi/Uber hops is that there's an imbalance between supply and demand. Increasing prices increases supply and reduces demand to achieve correlation. That's how Uber's system works elsewhere and how it should work here. Similarly, €50 minimum fare on Christmas day would encourage drivers to work and wouldn't bother riders. Ryanair charges hundreds of euros on Christmas Eve for journeys that are €20-23 when demand is low.
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EU court of justice says Uber is a taxi service, I'm sure the Erm will figure out some way of turning this into a disaster
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So, as a taxi service, I guess it can't use hackneys or limousines?
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EU court of justice says Uber is a taxi service, I'm sure the Erm will figure out some way of turning this into a disaster
Read the whole judgement Roy .They are a TRANSPORT company so they can use Limos .Hacks private hires should be boom time for those lads .Now that Mytaxi and UBER can trow them work .UP side for us UBER might now trow around millions in free vouchers and bonus payments to win customers from Mytaxi .
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Hail0 and mytaxi always threw them work, the problem is there's very few left in Dublin, those few are already cleaning up. I can't see Uber throwing around vouchers because a court has told it that it can do what it could always do. Unlike Hail0/mytaxi, Uber has never used (local area) hackneys in Dublin.
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EU court of justice says Uber is a taxi service, I'm sure the Erm will figure out some way of turning this into a disaster
Read the whole judgement Roy .They are a TRANSPORT company so they can use Limos .Hacks private hires should be boom time for those lads .Now that Mytaxi and UBER can trow them work .UP side for us UBER might now trow around millions in free vouchers and bonus payments to win customers from Mytaxi .
Springtime for H....r.
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Hail0 and mytaxi always threw them work, the problem is there's very few left in Dublin, those few are already cleaning up. I can't see Uber throwing around vouchers because a court has told it that it can do what it could always do. Unlike Hail0/mytaxi, Uber has never used (local area) hackneys in Dublin.
In the court of public opinion Taxi drivers rejected the UBER offer and embraced Hailo /Mytaxi who restricted drivers from charging the PUC offered 5 minutes waiting time deducted 12% commission dont stick to their own terms and conditions .I dont think UBER now that we know they will not introduce rideshare competition will find it hard to attract drivers Hailo/Mytaxi has free range Im sure UBER will fess up a few notes to win over customers and drivers .My taxi have proved with all their bonus payments to get drivers to work that they are charging to much commission .If UBER with their Brand and Superior tech offered 8% commission no waiting guarenteed Scrub drivers would be insane not to migrate to their app .Do you know what commission do Mytaxi charge drivers in other countries where they operate .
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Uber don't have any interest, though. Drivers made their bed... I'm sure many made their minds up having read your endorsements of mytaxi. It seems like a only a couple of months have passed since you told us that we should cover all it's work without bonuses to the exclusion of all other firms.
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Erm using Uber to get anything from Mytaxi is daft.They don't have the drivers anymore especially since they tried to screw us.They'll never again get the critical mass they need to scare Mytaxi.If I support any other app it will be flag or Whistle.
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Uber don't have any interest, though. Drivers made their bed... I'm sure many made their minds up having read your endorsements of mytaxi. It seems like a only a couple of months have passed since you told us that we should cover all it's work without bonuses to the exclusion of all other firms.
Show me that post .I said we should support one app as multiple apps will only encourage Sharon and Hilda and Tommy to hit the button on all of them and we end up running around chasing our own tails as the first driver to arrive gets the job and the rest can fuck off .There was also the bonus of supporting one app if they had a huge share of the market then we had the power to negotiate with them and pull the plug The bigger they were the more they had to lose .Just look at how the Pilots played Ryanair .
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You said that the other day.... it was a couple of months back, when Tim rang you, I'm talking about.
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Yes we should of supported one app built it to a position where they had to much to lose then offered to withdraw our drivers if they did not sit down and do a fair deal. eg look at the Ryanair Pilots Christmas week light the blue touch paper and O Leary folds like a drunken poker player .
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We've no shortage of unions...
Poor analogy though, drunks don't fold, they tilt.
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Ryanair only agreed to talk to the unions. They told the unions that if they bring crazy requests to the table they will be turned away
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Negotiating with Mick Ryanair would be tricky. Vipers in their pits springs to mind.
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Mick will have different ideas come the 'Spring', once he get's his Chrimbo customers looked after,
he will have different plans fer the Pilots union in the quiet times of mid-January and February.
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A few analysts recon he'll be gone within 15 months, rumour suggests his behaviour is getting increasingly irrational.
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A few analysts recon he'll be gone within 15 months, rumour suggests his behaviour is getting increasingly irrational.
Roughly translated as Wayne Industries needs young master Bruce to step down as he is buying them all out share-wise?
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A few analysts recon he'll be gone within 15 months, rumour suggests his behaviour is getting increasingly irrational.
Bollox he is a clever man trouble with the pilot rosters had to cut flights most of which were probably underbooked as most pilots are contracted no fly no pay He probably saved money the share price dropped and he bought 16 million shares .All he will do is increase the price of a dirt cheap flight by a 5er 3 notes coveres the pay increase and 2 notes per passenger on the profit side .He goes on Larry Wogan or some other Radio Show and blames the Unions for fare increases but says he is delighted his staff are happy .
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The analysts usually get what they want/predict.