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Carmageddon .
« on: October 09, 2022, 11:47:42 am »
Car lanes will begin to be phased out of College Green from next year as part of wider plans to remove traffic from Dublin city centre over the next three years, the Minister for Transport has said.

Speaking to the Business Post, Eamon Ryan described an overhaul of some of the busiest roads in the capital in coming years as part or an effort to reallocate road space away from cars in urban centres. He said that the plans to largely pedestrianise College Green, which were first proposed in 2015, would be one of the first major projects to progress.

“For College Green, which we have been talking about for so long, we will start next year and take out two of the lanes, and then the following year take through traffic out,” Ryan said.

While Dublin City Council still has to tender for a new design team for the full College Green/Dame Street pedestrian plaza concept, the traffic reduction plans outlined by Ryan will effectively see the first steps towards a complete removal of cars and buses from that part of the city centre beginning from next year.

The Green Party leader said further plans would focus on what he described as a “race track around Dublin” on the north and south quays of the city and roads on Beresford Place, Westmoreland Street, Pearse Street and St Stephen’s Green.

“All these wide one-way multi-lane streets which are designed for as many cars as possible, that is no longer the way to go,” he said. “Dublin City Council has committed to changing all that, to take the traffic out of the city centre in the way that I said, and to do that within the next three years. That is an example of the type of project we need to do.”

Ryan also warned last week that “very significant” and “politically unpalatable” constrictions on road spending by the state will come into force in the next few years.

He was speaking following the launch of a report by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) entitled Redesigning Ireland’s Transport for Net Zero. The report recommended a radical redesign of Ireland’s transport systems away from individual car use.

Ryan welcomed the report and agreed with its key recommendations. He said that while road space reallocation would be politically difficult, it had to get under way if climate targets were to be met.

“It can no longer be about talk or about plans or about policies. It has to be about actually changing things on the ground,” he said. “Reallocating road space and making the leap we need to make: that is where we have to be judged, on what we deliver in the next three years.”

Ryan said the new Climate Action Plan would contain policy actions to reflect this focus. He confirmed that this would include targeting roadside parking spaces in urban centres, and the pedestrianisation of whole areas that are currently used by cars.

Responding to Ryan’s comments about College Green, a spokesman for the council said plans for the public realm plaza would bring about permanent change and redesign in the area over the next number of years.

“Separate to this is a desire to capture some of the benefits that arise from the Bus Connects network redesign process, and which will mean that the space in College Green/Dame Street can be freed up as the numbers of buses and passengers decreases in this area,” the spokesman said.

“This can lead to a range of interventions including additional pedestrian space, greening and opportunities for outdoor seating. This will be dependent on funding and the pace at which the bus network changes in the city centre over the next two years.”
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Re: Carmageddon .
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2022, 12:01:53 pm »
Very significant” and “politically unpalatable” constrictions on road spending by the state will come into force in the next few years, Eamon Ryan has said.

Speaking at the launch of an OECD report on Ireland’s transport systems, the Minister for Transport and Environment also said the reallocation of road space away from cars was going to be “politically difficult”, but would nevertheless get underway in the coming years.



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Re: Carmageddon .
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2022, 12:10:37 pm »
AND THIS FUCKOLOGY ...Ryan said the new Climate Action Plan would contain policy actions to reflect this focus. He confirmed that this would include targeting roadside parking spaces in urban centres, and the pedestrianisation of whole areas that are currently used by cars.

Responding to Ryan’s comments about College Green, a spokesman for the council said plans for the public realm plaza would bring about permanent change and redesign in the area over the next number of years.

“Separate to this is a desire to capture some of the benefits that arise from the Bus Connects network redesign process, and which will mean that the space in College Green/Dame Street can be freed up as the numbers of buses and passengers DECREASE  in this area,” the spokesman said.

Was the plan not to get MORE people to use the City .
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« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2022, 12:13:45 pm »
If this is the policy .Why are they promoting EVs .....All these wide one-way multi-lane streets which are designed for as many cars as possible, that is no longer the way to go,” he said. “Dublin City Council has committed to changing all that, to take the traffic out of the city centre in the way that I said, and to do that within the next three years. That is an example of the type of project we need to do.”

Ryan also warned last week that “very significant” and “politically unpalatable” constrictions on road spending by the state will come into force in the next few years.

He was speaking following the launch of a report by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) entitled Redesigning Ireland’s Transport for Net Zero. The report recommended a radical redesign of Ireland’s transport systems away from individual car use.
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« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2022, 12:21:33 pm »
Pay to park in your own Garden and if you have no Garden then no car ... He confirmed that this would include targeting roadside parking spaces in urban centres, So Bride Street and Portabello parking free zones ?Renelagh Porsch free Zones .Donore Avenue Drug Dealers Audis and Mercs no parking .
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« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2022, 12:37:02 pm »
So what is the plan ?Can taxis use the new express bus corridors or are we excluded .Is there a plan for more taxis if they reduce private car use (no rideshare ?) Nett ZERO we got an end of life extension but will future replacement of cars be EV only ? A lot of stuff in Eamos statement but very little detail .Need to try find the full report .Wheres Watty he is good at this sort of search .
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« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2022, 12:52:25 pm »
You can shape the answer by the Question you ask ......In April of this year researchers from the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) held a series of workshops in Dublin looking at car and public transport use in Cork, Dublin, Sligo and Kildare. As part of those workshops invited guests from NGOs, universities, local and national government were given a task to imagine how streets in their areas would be used in 2050.

But here’s the kicker: they were told that “private car ownership had become culturally unpopular or even unacceptable.” With that in mind, the assembled groups had to discuss the following thought experiment:

Imagine a typical street or road in your area in 2050. What does the street look like? Who do you see and what are they doing?

Imagine a broader picture, a “helicopter view” of the area in 2050. Where are homes and destinations located? What connects them? What is there more or less of?

Think about who (e.g. children going to school, the elderly, delivery workers) could already be using each transport mode more often by 2025 and what would need to happen (e.g. easy to implement changes in infrastructure, increases in public transport services) to enable this.

It’s a worthy exercise, and I imagine it probably took a while for some people to get their head around the starting point, that “private car ownership had become culturally unpopular or even unacceptable.”

There was a reason for this, as the report’s authors outline: “Mental models or visions relative to car use can often prevent policy makers from imagining and implementing transformative policies, to move the country away from car dependency.”

Taking cars out of the equation gave people the freedom to think about how space is used, but also how transport happens. It’s unrelated, but reading this part of the report made me think about how Douglas Street was transformed for the Autumn Fest a few weeks back when cars were removed from the street for just one day.

The thought experiment is just one part of the OECD report entitled Redesigning Ireland’s Transport for Net Zero Towards Systems that Work for People and the Planet which was officially launched this week in Dublin.

It’s a wordy and worthwhile report and the top line is that Ireland has a car dependency problem, with three out of four adults opting to travel by car on a daily basis. What they found is that infrastructure spending here has, up until quite recently, centred around the car: we build more and better roads with cars in mind which in turn has driven up private car ownership. More cars results in more traffic and so we spend more to accommodate cars. The result, as you’ve likely noticed driving in the city or in many town centres, is near constant traffic jams. And journey times are taking way longer than they should.

Last year, I wrote a news piece about traffic in Douglas and David Teixeira-Lynch who placed a Telraam device which records traffic flow along a street in west Douglas, in Cork city where he lives. You can access the data he records here. I dropped David a line this week to ask him if he had noticed traffic spikes since the return to school in September. Traffic was up, as predicted, with more than 60,000 vehicles flowing through the village on a weekly basis.

What the OECD recommends is that if Ireland is going to halve emissions in the transport sector by 2030 we need to reimagine how roads are used, so that public transport becomes more efficient and more widely used. It would also help with increasing active travel (cycling, scooters, walking etc).

Last weekend, Virgin Media had a short report from Ballincollig highlighting some of the concerns of business owners there, including those of former Lord Mayor Colm Kelleher, about how BusConnects plans would hamper business in the area. The report subsequently drew criticism in that it was entirely one-sided. BusConnects is centred around what the OECD calls road space reallocation - especially by prioritising bus corridors.

There is evidence though that road space reallocation away from car use works. There’s even a term for it: “disappearing traffic.”

“Evidence on disappearing traffic has been documented for several years now. After examining over 70 case studies of road space reallocation in 11 different countries, Cairns, Atkins and Goodwin (2002) concluded that, given the right conditions, road space reallocation can result in significant reductions in traffic: on average, the case studies examined resulted in a 21.9% traffic reduction, while in half of the cases, at least a 10.6% drop in car traffic was found. The authors find that the claim that road space reallocation is associated with “traffic problems” is “unnecessarily alarmist.”

The OECD report runs for hundreds of pages and it drills down into many of the reasons why we are such a car dependent nation (our housing policies also play a major role) and how we can turn this around, and perhaps someday soon witness disappearing traffic, like we see once a year on Douglas Street.

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Re: Carmageddon .
« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2022, 04:41:52 pm »
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Re: Carmageddon .
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2022, 04:51:23 pm »
He who pays the piper...  The report was done in collaboration with The Climate Change Advisory Council and it looks like they have a copy of the report on their website.

(PDF)   https://www.climatecouncil.ie/media/climatechangeadvisorycouncil/contentassets/documents/Report-Redesigning-Irelands-Transport-for-Net-Zero.pdf

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« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2022, 05:24:51 pm »
Thanks Watty knew you would find it ...Summary .Big Dommo Me ,Tommy Two Scars ,Billy the Bastard took the bus to school ,then to work then when we went to town motting .The one we dont mention worked on the SCR he use to cycle to work .Most kids walked to school .They want us to go backwards to go forward .

Im thinking the transport system use to work until they fixed it until they broke it .Quick read between the lines .I think they are looking at decentralized social ,Economic and Work .More working from home ,Less access to the City center meaning more people will stay local boosting local economy  .Again going backwards to go forward .Yer woman from the Greens offering artists dole money to work .So Saturday Night 2025 will be like Saturday Night 1975 .Porter in the Hunting lodge with music in the Bar /Football/Sports on telly .Extended opening times will keep people local .A lot of people go to town because the pubs or clubs stay open late .Cant see any excuse for rideshare they dont want cars on the roads so why promote them .I can see a change in Taxi licencing on the Horizon all must be EVs and Accessable .At least in Urban areas .

I think busses worked back in the 1970s but Government policy was to grow the tax base by getting more fuel duty and road tax .The time frame is 2030 .Whats the price they will want for extending the lifespan of taxis?could it be at next renewal you must go EV ?Free Now seem to have an inside track with their teck charge and scooter rental on the way and they are promoting EVs .
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« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2022, 05:44:16 pm »
No way EV's are gonna be promoted as taxis for the next few years - you just can't buy them at sensible money.  And there's the old problem of "no driveway, no home charging"  And it's only going to get worse if they start building entire neighbourhoods with no off-street parking.  (I wonder where family/friends will park when they come for a visit.  And delivery vans).

Re closing off the city centre to cars...   I totally puzzled by it to be honest. 

I think the city centre will end up devoid of people, except coffee drinkers, beggars & young people fighting.  Sunday used to be a lazy day.  You might tip into town for a look around the shops.  Maybe get lunch and a pint after buying a pair of socks in Dunnes.  Nowadays, look at the weather today, there's no way I'm paying €3-4 to get a bus into town when I can drive to Blanch and do all I want under one roof.  And then drive home when I want.
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« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2022, 05:51:05 pm »
Imagine living in one of those new neighbourhoods and you're having a little party to celebrate your new baby.  You'd send out the invites but you'd have to include a space on the invites for all the bus routes to your house.  Imagine your 80 yr old granny getting the bus to your house for the party.  And your uncle was going to give the baby a huge teddy bear but he felt embarrassed about bringing it on the bus so he brought gluten-free fairtrade Nicaraguan biscuits instead.

Edit: I forgot to mention that Uncle #2 was going to bring a few bottles of nice wine but his bus route went through a bad area (for social inclusion reasons) and he was worried the local kids would steal if off him.  So brought a six pack of sugar-free cola.
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