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Government still pandering to purveyors of piss
« on: September 03, 2022, 04:07:06 pm »
Publicans and nightclub owners still allowed to throw everyone onto the street at almost the same time:

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On the 24-hour bus: ‘You cannot get a taxi at this hour, if you’re able to hail one in the first place’
Dublin’s round the clock buses have grown in popularity since their introduction with more routes set to open

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Friends Eoin Conlon (20) and Fortune Igiebor (19) who were travelling home on the 39A northbound from a night out in Workman’s. 'We’re having an early night,' they say at half past one in the morning.
Jade Wilson
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Sat Sep 3 2022 - 04:51

It’s just after midnight on Thursday evening, and the queue for the 15-bus southbound is steadily growing on Dame Street. Young people heading home from a night out and workers gather for their journey home.

The 15 is one of eight routes operating 24-hours a day, seven days a week.

Most of the passengers travelling on the bus were dressed casually in jeans and t-shirts. But Camillo Marin, seated in a window seat halfway down the bus’s upper level, is wearing a dark black men’s suit with a name tag affixed to the left side of his chest. He listens to music and stares out the window.

Mr Marin is returning home to Knocklyon after the evening shift working at a hotel in Dublin city centre. This is his daily routine.

‘You can take a bus all the way to Maynooth for example for just a couple of euros, whereas a taxi would cost you upwards of 60′

“At this time of night, the bus is often crowded and loud as people return from a night out,” says Mr Marin. But taking a taxi is not an option.

Although Mr Marin has never had any issues riding the bus, “sometimes when you’re tired after a long evening working, you just want some peace and quiet”.

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Next to him sits Thomas Gleeson. He’s holding a pizza box and chatting with his flat mate John O’Brien seated across the aisle. The two are taking the bus back to their house in Kimmage after meeting for a few drinks after work. They don’t normally take this bus as the closest stop to their house is still about a ten-minute walk.

“There’s another bus that gets us closer to our place. This is only the second time taking this bus,” says Mr O’Brien. “We usually take a taxi at this time of night. It’s only €15 or €16, which is worth it. Even if I was out by myself, I wouldn’t mind paying for it.”

As it gets later in the evening, Mr O’Brien said the buses become more crowded. “The buses need to be more frequent and there need to be more route options.”

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“If there was a way the bus could tell you if they’re full, it would be great,” says Mr Gleeson. “You wait ten minutes for a bus and then they fly by you.”

But hailing a taxi from the city centre can often be problematic. Drivers turn off the taxi apps so you then need to compete with others to hail a taxi and have the more appealing fare. And then, they’ll only accept cash.

Most passengers riding the bus were in their 20s except for an occasional older person, like Daithí who is riding the 15-bus home to Donnemare after work as a concierge.


“The bus is hard to catch, so you have to walk a while to catch it before it gets full. It’s hit or miss. Certain nights it can be more full than others. But a taxi would be too expensive,” says Daithí, who declined to give his surname.

It’s a similar story for friends Eoin Conlon (20) and Fortune Igiebor (19) who were travelling home on the 39A northbound from a night out in Workman’s.

“We’re having an early night,” they say at half past one in the morning.

“This bus drops me at Blanchardstown village and then I have about another 40 minute walk home. It’s the only option. It’s either that or pay god knows how much for a taxi,” Conlon says.

‘Sometimes there are lots of drunk people in the streets and they’re loud so I feel uncomfortable but I’m the lucky one because nothing has ever happened to me’

Conlon and Igiebor will go their separate ways after reaching Igiebor’s house, at which point Conlon will continue another 30 minute walk by himself.

“I’d normally get the 37 which brings me much closer, but that finishes at 11. You cannot get a taxi at this hour. If you’re able to hail one in the first place, you have to pay whatever they say — take it or leave it.”


The “majority of the time” Conlon and Igiebor feel safe on the night bus, and while they’ve “heard the odd story” about some rough incidents, they haven’t experienced anything personally.

“Often there’s someone drunk or high who’s p*ssed off about something just having a go at anyone they can,” Igiebor says.

It’s having to walk for so long after the bus that sometimes makes them feel unsafe, and they suggest that more bus routes or transport options, like the Dart, should operate 24 hours a day. Currently, routes 15, 39A, 41, C1,C2, C5, C6 and N4 run round the clock.

While they talk, a couple at the back of the 39A lock lips, as the man across the aisle from them nods off, oblivious.

The night routes have grown in popularity in recent months, in part due to the newly reduced fares, Gary Kelly, chief inspector with Dublin Bus, says.

Kelly has worked with Dublin Bus for 27 years, the last seven as chief inspector. Often, at weekends, he’d work on the night service.


“They have become exceptionally busy, especially because it’s hugely discounted now. You’d have a lot of people waiting for over an hour for the next bus to come and I mean, why wouldn’t you, when you can take a bus all the way to Maynooth for example for just a couple of euros, whereas a taxi would cost you upwards of 60,” Kelly says.

There will be more night buses coming on stream as Bus Connects rolls out, he says.

Kelly’s role entails patrolling the city centre at night, helping load the buses and assisting with customer information. He’ll occasionally check tickets, and be called to the scene “if god forbid there was a car accident or something like that”.

While he’d heard of the young man in his 20s who was attacked in an alleged homophobic assault on the 15 earlier this month, such incidents are “few and far between”, he says.

[ Man (26) assaulted in suspected homophobic attack on Dublin Bus ]

“Your heart would go out to him getting abused like that on the way home from a night out. We’d often go on the night buses with the community guards from certain areas and it’s a great reassurance for us. Could we do with more of them on the streets? Absolutely.”

The worst Kelly has experienced is “people with a few drinks just being mischievous trying to get on without paying the fare or being a bit boisterous”.


“Occasionally some spark up the odd cigarette, but thankfully with all the CCTV, I think that has died off.”

Overall, he describes the service as a “huge success” as there is “a big demand” for them. The 41 from Abbey Street to Swords will often be full at 4am in the morning with workers on their way to the airport and revellers heading home to Swords.

“That one was badly needed over the years. Two years ago, all those workers would have to drive to the airport and pay for parking, or take a taxi. I can’t even imagine.”

“We’d have a lot of workers that have taken up travelling on the 24-hour service — young people not on a lot of money, or migrants.”

Berna Gul (26) from Turkey is one such worker. She’s on the bus with a large suitcase and backpack. She is on her way to stay with a friend before a flight to visit their home country in the morning.

Ms Gul works as a cleaner and finishes her shifts after 11pm every weekday. She takes the 15 night bus every weekday. The bus is not her preferred option at this hour, but she takes it because it would be “impossible” to take a taxi.

“Maybe twice in a month I’ll take a taxi if I get lucky and have enough money that month,” she says.

In the background is the sound of three drunk men in their 20s singing football anthems. On their way off the bus, one of them asks Ms Gul: “The size of that bag. Do you have a body in there?”

Ms Gul ignores their remark. “Sometimes there are lots of drunk people in the streets and they’re loud so I feel uncomfortable but I’m the lucky one because nothing has ever happened to me. I usually feel safe.”

Jade Wilson
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Jade Wilson is a reporter for The Irish Times


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Re: Government still pandering to purveyors of piss
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2022, 04:21:38 pm »
I dunno what the point of the article is...if you live outside of town you're there for cheaper rent or your parents moved there for a bigger gaff.No point complaining about taxi prices like it's someone else's fault.

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Re: Government still pandering to purveyors of piss
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2022, 04:41:42 pm »
I dunno what the point of the article is...if you live outside of town you're there for cheaper rent or your parents moved there for a bigger gaff.No point complaining about taxi prices like it's someone else's fault.
Even after Uber's exposé regarding their corruption of the lobbying system, they still seem bent on gaining a foothold in the Irish market through the negative press, particularly from digital redtops like the journal.ie et al.

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Re: Government still pandering to purveyors of piss
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2022, 04:50:18 pm »
Should be ashamed of yourselves lads.....says he watching Spartacus!!

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Re: Government still pandering to purveyors of piss
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2022, 04:50:24 pm »
I dunno, Uber has a lot of taxi work.In the rideshare scenario the surge pricing kicks in and the customer gets charged more than our meter allows.I reckon they're just angling for more bus services.

I think they should move Templebar outside the M50 to keep all the folks in the article happy.If you live in Maynooth(Kildare) or the edge of the Meath and Dublin border where parts of Blanch are you shouldn't really be trekking all the way into the city unless you really have to.When I lived in Blanch I rarely came into the city centre.Too bleeding far.That's why I moved out of the kip.

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Re: Government still pandering to purveyors of piss
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2022, 05:18:03 pm »
Don't know why they're comparing a mass transit service with a luxury bespoke service like taxis?

The thing that boils my piss is that the Nitelink is promoted as if it's brilliant.  But look at the timetable for any of those services.  There's a good chance it only runs midnight, 2am and 4pm.  It's coin only, no notes.  Defo no cards!.  And it's completely inflexible - it does one route and one route only.  And if you'd an extra 10-30 minute at the end of it, tough shit!

And how many can fit on each bus?  Say 50.  So if it does 3 runs, it can take 150 people for the entire night.  Is that a good service for a town like Maynooth or Blanch or Naas?

And cost?  If there is 50 seats on the bus at €5.head, that's €250/trip.  A taxi has 4 seats and might only charge €60 for the same trip.  Moral of the story - get some friends and share the cost of the taxi instead of moaning on the internet  >:D
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Re: Government still pandering to purveyors of piss
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2022, 05:31:02 pm »
I have posted loads of times about this .The British Company GO Bus want to supply 24 hour service as long as the Government pony up the Public Service Transport payment .This is a Payment that Bus Providers get guaranteed for supplying a Bus to cover a rout .Young people especially students will use the bus in a few years taxis will be back to where they were in the 1970s This generation will be bus users like their great Grandfathers .
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Re: Government still pandering to purveyors of piss
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2022, 06:24:29 pm »
Watty you might be OK .I posted two weeks ago a delivery of Diesel for October went from Due to Pending .My mate works down the Fuel Depot on the Docks .Busses will be needed if Fuel is rationed .Im sure Busses are more fuel efficient than private cars or taxis .
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Re: Government still pandering to purveyors of piss
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2022, 06:50:44 pm »
Only if the buses are full.

I know they're living at home, probably rent free, but after all these years,  I'm still surprised at how many young people on minimum wage get FN taxis to work at a min. €10 fare.  I guess they think paying by app is not real money.  I guess it's a sign I'm getting old  ::sleep
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Re: Government still pandering to purveyors of piss
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2022, 07:01:42 pm »
Only if the buses are full.

I know they're living at home, probably rent free, but after all these years,  I'm still surprised at how many young people on minimum wage get FN taxis to work at a min. €10 fare.  I guess they think paying by app is not real money.  I guess it's a sign I'm getting old  ::sleep

ITS POLITICAL we have increased the supply of busses and reduced fares .Eamo will take the Credit .Yer one will take credit for Nightime economy and worker transport .We cant complain we got a Rise . Vlad turned off the Gas soon he will stop the Oil .Vlad has won the War so have America .
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Re: Government still pandering to purveyors of piss
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2022, 11:03:47 am »
Why doesn't Free Now offer private cars at significantly lower rates than taxis in Ireland. as it does in London with a fleet of clapped out Pryeyeuses?
If it doesn't have a roof sign and door stickers it's not a taxi.

 


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