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« Reply #30 on: February 11, 2021, 11:50:01 am »
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« Reply #31 on: February 11, 2021, 11:52:25 am »
Dunno Bubba... A bloke down the shebeen was telling me you can't eat pork after being vaccinated. Pubs closed, women covering their faces... pandemic or controlled Islamification?
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« Reply #32 on: February 11, 2021, 11:55:49 am »
I have posted a few times I dont know whats really happening but I do know that this Government is incompetent' and so is the EU  .Having read both sides or the argument between Watty and Doc .Im more in tune with Docs understanding .A year into this I know NOBODY that has died from the virus .I know only 3 people who got it .I would not like to risk catching it but as the Doc says the real danger is among Older people with underlying health issues .
Every country in the world, apart from maybe New Zealand, is struggling with this virus.  Nobody knew about this virus a year ago and we're playing catch-up.  Governments are hampered by those who'd rather listen to facebook/Aunt Betsy rather than the science.

Approx 30,000 people die in Ireland each year.  How many of them did you know?  3,794 have died from Covid-19 so far.  What are the odds you'd know someone in that group?  I reckon people are dying in clusters as certain families are being stupid, ignoring the rules, and getting hit harder with the virus.  A friend of a friend had 18 family members infected over Xmas.  None in my family because we took precautions.  Chances are it's as simple that your family and friends are taking care of themselves.  In my extended family, there's grannies over 80 & kids under 10 & someone going in for elective surgery next week.  None of us wants to be the one that kills granny or leaves a 7 yr old parent-less or leave a family member crippled for life 'cause they couldn't get the surgery.
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« Reply #33 on: February 11, 2021, 11:59:28 am »
I have posted a few times I dont know whats really happening but I do know that this Government is incompetent' and so is the EU  .Having read both sides or the argument between Watty and Doc .Im more in tune with Docs understanding .A year into this I know NOBODY that has died from the virus .I know only 3 people who got it .I would not like to risk catching it but as the Doc says the real danger is among Older people with underlying health issues .
Every country in the world, apart from maybe New Zealand, is struggling with this virus.  Nobody knew about this virus a year ago and we're playing catch-up.  Governments are hampered by those who'd rather listen to facebook/Aunt Betsy rather than the science.

Approx 30,000 people die in Ireland each year.  How many of them did you know?  3,794 have died from Covid-19 so far.  What are the odds you'd know someone in that group?  I reckon people are dying in clusters as certain families are being stupid, ignoring the rules, and getting hit harder with the virus.  A friend of a friend had 18 family members infected over Xmas.  None in my family because we took precautions.  Chances are it's as simple that your family and friends are taking care of themselves.  In my extended family, there's grannies over 80 & kids under 10 & someone going in for elective surgery next week.  None of us wants to be the one that kills granny or leaves a 7 yr old parent-less or leave a family member crippled for life 'cause they couldn't get the surgery.


  Ill respond to that Watty the UN some years ago decided on Human Rights that every Prisoner was entitled to one hours exercise per Day .Now Big Dommos Granny is confined to her 8x6 cell in her nursing home to prevent any interaction with others and to prevent contagion .As a result of sitting in a Cripmo Chair or Cripmo bed built to support her she is static this cuts down on her circulation .

FROM A DOCTOR WORKING IN BROADGREEN HOSPITAL: KNOWS A GREAT DEAL MORE THAN ANY GOVERNMENT MINISTER....VERY INTERESTING READ
"To all the people on here threatening to unfriend people, or wishing a second wave of COVID on people, for daring to go out in the sun, you really need to think about what you are writing, and a lot of you are health professionals as well.
What was the aim of lock down? What did every single health "expert" say was the reason to justify a lockdown? And why do we have a Flu season at all? And why have we continued to have a steady incidence rate despite being in lockdown? And why are thousands of elderly people dying in nursing homes?
The reason we had lockdown was to "flatten the curve" or buy time to increase ITU/crit care beds. Well with 4 nightingale hospitals mothballed and 50% of hospital beds lying empty, I think we have achieved that.
Not one "expert" worth his salt will tell you that we can stop a respiratory virus, and if they did they would be lying or I am deluded and we have no common cold or Flu cases every winter. So with a fifth of the country likely to have already had the virus and a health service with a massive amount of level 2 and level 3 beds, we are more than ready for a second spike, as it stands. Remember we cannot lock down forever and we need to come out, which brings me on to the Flu season.
Why do we have a flu season? The main reason we have a Flu season is because as it gets cooler people coop up and spend more time in close proximity, the population becomes denser and therefor it's easier for a virus to travel, also people tend to eat less fruit and veg and see less sunlight and our natural defences are slightly depleted, sound familiar?
The longer we stay locked down, the closer we will be to the next Flu season, so essentially you will be hitting a second spike as people begin to mix, late summer early Autumn which will be just as the next Flu seasons hits, so a second spike will lead nicely into a third and if you want to overwhelm the NHS then this is the exact way to do it.
Lastly why are so many elderly people dying of COVID, well it's largely down to the paranoia that people are displaying on platforms like facebook. GP's are not assessing elderly patients face to face, they are not being taken to hospital or they are terrified to go to hospital incase they get COVID, so they stay at home until it's too late.
Strokes are down up to 70%, where have these patient gone? MI's down 50%, Hospital attendances down 90%, where are all the falls?? But why do they all have COVID signs?
Well anyone who has worked with elderly patients, and I suspect lots of you have, will know there are multiple reasons an elderly person can develop a pneumonia (COVID symptoms). They might fall and be in pain therefore not fully expand their lungs and develop atelectasis and then pneumonia.
They may have reduced mobility, due to quarantine, and become constipated and this may push up on the diaphragm and cause atelectasis or cause them to vomit and aspirate leading to pneumonia.They may develop urinary retention and UTI, secondary to constipation, and become bed bound, causing more time in a prone position and develop a basal collapse of the lungs and again atelectasis and pneumonia. The fact that they have reduced mobility may even mean they spend more time in bed or just sitting, which again is enough to cause chest infection/pneumonia.
Strokes may not present (they aren't) and develop swallow issues and aspirate leading to pneumonia, MIs may present late and develop pulmonary oedema with a secondary infection again leading to pneumonia, and many may have a cold or a Flu (which is down 95%) and go on to develop a pneumonia.
All of the above reasons would cause a patient to have COVID symptoms and will kill elderly patients if not treated, and all of them are enough to be classed as a COVID death currently. And this is why so many nursing homes are being decimated, it's as much through fear as it is through COVID.
Before you campaign and sign petitions to lock yourselves and your family away, remember also that lock down has consequences.
The first 2 reasons are clear above, the elderly will become frail, not be treated and die in their thousands, and thousands of people will not attend A&E at all, or until it's too late and again will die. This is before you factor in the 60 thousand cancer patients that will lose their lives because of missed screening or delayed operations. And then there is the burden on mental health services and the deaths caused by domestic abuse or suicide. And that's before the biggest killer by far which will be austerity.
We are heading for the biggest recession in 300 years, the last one has cost an estimated 500000 lives, why will this one be any different? And even with the lock down measures prolonged, will we have saved any lives any way, as our frail residents face a second and third spike in quick succession.
I understand that you my be scared and its overwhelming being constantly bombarded with negativity and fear, but before you completely isolate yourselves and fall out with loved ones and friends, ask yourself is lockdown still working, and what are the potential benefits of staying locked down versus, carrying on with some semblance of a normal life?"

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« Reply #34 on: February 11, 2021, 11:59:31 am »
To be fair, our initial response was world class. Dr. Leo single handedly cleared hospital waiting lists and freed up thousands of hospital beds with ample ICU availability. It's only since An Taoiseach took the reigns that things have gone down hill. An Taoiseach has single handedly filled up the hospitals and crippled ICU provision. Dr. Leo understood the need to give tradesmen the option to stay at home, wash their hands and protect the HSE whereas An Taoiseach's puppy dole cuts have forced the same tradesmen to choose between spreading the virus or starving their families to death.

Bring back Dr. Leo. Dr. Leo was great so he was...
While I agree about how great Dr.Leo was, his big mistake was not listening to the advice given by Holohan.

To give in to Holohan would have been perceived to be weak was the counsel given by Leo's advisor, we all paid dearly for it.
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« Reply #35 on: February 11, 2021, 12:05:35 pm »
Mehaul Martin was Taoiseach at that stage. Dr. Leo was just rolled out as the whipping boy. During Dr. Leo's tenure (as Taoiseach) Dr. Holohan's advice was followed to the letter. Remember the press conferences - Listen to Dr. Leo, listen to Dr. Tony!

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« Reply #36 on: February 11, 2021, 12:09:31 pm »
Mehaul Martin was Taoiseach at that stage. Dr. Leo was just rolled out as the whipping boy. During Dr. Leo's tenure (as Taoiseach) Dr. Holohan's advice was followed to the letter. Remember the press conferences - Listen to Dr. Leo, listen to Dr. Tony!

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Dr Leo went on RTE with yer one he came out to and Called Dr Hooligan a Cunt what knew fuck all about running a country .Dr Leo is a fucktard and thankfully will never ever be Taoiseach again .

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« Reply #37 on: February 11, 2021, 12:18:30 pm »
Mehaul Martin was Taoiseach at that stage. Dr. Leo was just rolled out as the whipping boy. During Dr. Leo's tenure (as Taoiseach) Dr. Holohan's advice was followed to the letter. Remember the press conferences - Listen to Dr. Leo, listen to Dr. Tony!

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The lockdown advice was delayed by two weeks.

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« Reply #38 on: February 11, 2021, 12:28:07 pm »
That was during Mehaul's tenure, erm. To be fair, our performance under the current Taoiseach certainly suggests Dr. Holohan is out of his depth. There's no doubt that we have capability within the civil service, the fact that the Minister for Health didn't get a look at the doctors deal in time to inject his tuppence worth proves that.

I hope you're, characteristically, wrong and Dr. Leo does come back to lead us again. He had a remarkable ability to command respect across party lines e.g. I'm not and never will be a FG supporter and you, yourself, went to the extreme of taking to the internet to vocalise your support for Dr. Leo's advice back when he was Taoiseach. Conversely, your tune underwent the most extraordinary change during Mehaul's tenure when you actually reported engaging in the very behaviour you previously deemed to be irresponsible. Inexplicably, you thought working would be irresponsible when Dr. Leo had plenty of health care capacity but performed your U turn after Mehaul had crippled the HSE with zero ICU availability nationwide. The proof af any pudding is in the eating, I guess.

In any event, we owe Dr. Leo a debt of gratitude for his leadership at the start of the pandemic and, perhaps to a lesser extent, for his negotiation of Brexit. He'll be remembered as one of the best Teeshig we ever had, if not the best.

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« Reply #39 on: February 11, 2021, 12:39:11 pm »
That was during Mehaul's tenure, erm. To be fair, our performance under the current Taoiseach certainly suggests Dr. Holohan is out of his depth. There's no doubt that we have capability within the civil service, the fact that the Minister for Health didn't get a look at the doctors deal in time to inject his tuppence worth proves that.

I hope you're, characteristically, wrong and Dr. Leo does come back to lead us again. He had a remarkable ability to command respect across party lines e.g. I'm not and never will be a FG supporter and you, yourself, went to the extreme of taking to the internet to vocalise your support for Dr. Leo's advice back when he was Taoiseach. Conversely, your tune underwent the most extraordinary change during Mehaul's tenure when you actually reported engaging in the very behaviour you previously deemed to be irresponsible. Inexplicably, you thought working would be irresponsible when Dr. Leo had plenty of health care capacity but performed your U turn after Mehaul had crippled the HSE with zero ICU availability nationwide. The proof af any pudding is in the eating, I guess.

In any event, we owe Dr. Leo a debt of gratitude for his leadership at the start of the pandemic and, perhaps to a lesser extent, for his negotiation of Brexit. He'll be remembered as one of the best Teeshig we ever had, if not the best.

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« Reply #40 on: February 11, 2021, 12:45:59 pm »
Like I said, during Mehaul's ongoing reign of terror. Mehaul became An Taoiseach in June 2020. Fuck knows why anyone thought a fucking clown of his ilk could fill Dr. Leo's little pink Nikes.

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« Reply #41 on: February 11, 2021, 12:48:50 pm »
Like I said, during Mehaul's ongoing reign of terror. Mehaul became An Taoiseach in June 2020. Fuck knows why anyone thought a fucking clown of his ilk could fill Dr. Leo's little pink Nikes.

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Martin must have pushed Varadkar in front of the Mike.

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« Reply #42 on: February 11, 2021, 12:51:34 pm »
Absolutely. If An Taoiseach is guilty of nothing else he is certainly guilty of killing men, women and gender fluids for political gain during this pandemic.
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« Reply #43 on: February 11, 2021, 12:58:01 pm »
Absolutely. If An Taoiseach is guilty of nothing else he is certainly guilty of killing men, women and gender fluids for political gain during this pandemic.
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Varadkar criticises Holohan: says Level 5 advice 'not thought through'
Tánaiste says recommendation was 'landed on us' by surprise on Sunday night
The Tánaiste said he had confidence in NPHET in relation to its public health advice but there were other considerations that needed to be taken into account. Photograph: Niall Carson/PA
The Tánaiste said he had confidence in NPHET in relation to its public health advice but there were other considerations that needed to be taken into account. Photograph: Niall Carson/PA
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Tánaiste Leo Varadkar has criticised the chief medical officer Dr Tony Holohan for announcing public health recommendations that were not “thought through” and without consulting the Government in advance.

Speaking on RTÉ on Monday night, after the Government had announced all counties were moving to Level 3 from midnight on Tuesday, Mr Varadkar said the advice of the National Public Health Emergency Team (NPHET) to move to Level 5 had “landed on us” by surprise on Sunday night.

Exposing deep tensions between NPHET and the Government, Mr Varadkar said Dr Holohan accepted there should have been prior consultation and there would not be a repeat of the incident.

The Tánaiste told RTÉ’s Claire Byrne Live he had confidence in NPHET in relation to its public health advice but there were other considerations that needed to be taken into account. While the members of NPHET were very well qualified in health matters, none “would have faced being on the Pandemic Unemployment Payment yesterday” and “none of them would have to tell somebody that they were losing their job”.

Mr Varadkar said: “I think what happened the last couple of days wasn’t good for anyone, wasn’t good for NPHET, isn’t good for Government, and really wasn’t good for the Irish people, many of whom were worried sick today wondering whether they had a job tomorrow, wondering whether they were shuttering their business for the last time...

“So we thought that this is not the right way to do things, land something like this on a Sunday night, without prior consultation, without being able to answer very basic questions.”

By proposing a “circuit break” NPHET was recommending “something that has never been tried in Europe”, he continued.

“We didn’t feel it had been thought through properly. For example, we asked for some comfort that four weeks might be enough… They weren’t able to give us that comfort.”


Mr Varadkar said the Government asked whether it was credible to keep schools open during the lockdown. NPHET thought it was “but weren’t so sure”, he said.

“We asked them what do we say to the 400,000 people who would lose their jobs tomorrow and all those business… They thought that was a political matter for us.”

European norm
Mr Varadkar rejected NPHET’s claims that hospitals and ICU’s were about to be overwhelmed. This was “not shared by the CEO of the HSE. The HSE board were not consulted on this”.

What Ireland was doing was “very much in line” with what was recommended by the World Health Organisation and the European Disease Surveillance Centre.

“I look around Europe and countries that have a much higher incidence of the virus than us, pretty much every country in Western Europe, and none of them are going for this option. They’re all trying to live with the virus, bring in restrictions making sure there is adequate health care capacity.”

Asked if he had confidence in Mr Holohan after lambasting his plan as crazy and “ripping his rationale to shreds”, Mr Varadkar said he had but that such surprises being landed on Government could not happen again.

“I did not say it was crazy. I said it was not thought through and there was not prior consultation,” he said.

“I have confidence in NPHET to dispense public health advice. That’s what they do. They don’t advise the public, they advise the Government and the Government decided.

“I do think one thing that needs to be borne in mind, very good people, 40 of them but all coming from medical or scientific or civil service backgrounds. None of those people, for example, would have faced being on the Pandemic Unemployment Payment yesterday.

“None of them would have to tell somebody that they were losing their job and none of them would have to shutter a business for the last time. And I’m not talking about the economy, I’m talking about something that could have happened half a million human beings tomorrow and the reason why politicians make these decisions is because we’re the ones who can see then bigger picture.


“It’s not just about a virus and statistics around a virus. It’s not about death rate. It’s about real people and how it impacts on so many different people and so many different communities in so many different ways.”

The Opposition has demanded a full explanation from the Government on the reasons behind its public rejection of the NPHET’s advice.

The decision to depart from the NPHET recommendation also led to reservations being expressed by some Minsters at Monday evening’s Cabinet about the advisability of the course of action.

Sinn Féin health spokesman David Cullinane said the Government would have to explain its reasoning for its decision in the face of rising numbers.

He said there was nevertheless increased restrictions outside Dublin and Donegal which would bring more hardship on families.

“The Government needs to restore the payments they cut, restore the protections for renters, give workers and families the breaks and supports they need.

“They also need to ensure we have enough bed and ICU capacity in our health system, as well as ratcheting up testing and tracing.

Labour Party leader Alan Kelly said While a clear statement was given by the Taoiseach, he wanted to see the full data that informed the decision.

“I also want clarity on ICU bed capacity, and how Level 3 restrictions will be enforced. Clearer communications on any future moves between levels is essential to avoid public panic,” he said.

Social Democrats’ co-leader Róisín Shortall said in a tweet that it was hard to know what exactly the Government would do to reduce the current levels of Covid-19.

“There was no detail whatsoever provided by the Taoiseach. Inexplicably it is penalising counties with low levels and doing nothing new in some counties with high levels,” she said.

Paul Murphy of Rise said it was “pretty outrageous” for the Government to go against public health advice of a body it set up.


“The Taoiseach then refuses to face any questions from the media after delivering a speech about it,” he said.


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« Reply #44 on: February 11, 2021, 01:02:56 pm »
Like I said, during Mehaul's ongoing reign of terror. Mehaul became An Taoiseach in June 2020. Fuck knows why anyone thought a fucking clown of his ilk could fill Dr. Leo's little pink Nikes.

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