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Title: Paddy Power acting the maggot.
Post by: The Liffey Lip on October 02, 2017, 07:48:30 am
Media reports of his agents caught manipulating S.P's via huge on-course bets creating false favs. Who's have thought? rofl
Title: Re: Paddy Power acting the maggot.
Post by: Belker on October 02, 2017, 08:18:55 am
That's an old trick, I thought the BHB would have been well ahead of that scam today.

Ladbrokes ran that scam successfully fer many years back in the 70's where a few Grand on the Fav on-course just before the Off,
 could shorten his price from 7/4 to 5/4 saving them many more thousands in S.P. bets in their 1000 and odd shops.

I can't remember the punishment, if any, but they were caught at it.
Title: Re: Paddy Power acting the maggot.
Post by: The Liffey Lip on October 02, 2017, 08:23:41 am
R.T.E. stated "the practise is not illegal". They've been caught and spilled the beans...great p.r.
Title: Re: Paddy Power acting the maggot.
Post by: Belker on October 02, 2017, 08:30:17 am
I would agree with RTE, the on-course market is open to everyone.
But it is 'Sharp practise' and the BHB won't be too pleased with Mr Power.
Title: Re: Paddy Power acting the maggot.
Post by: Belker on October 02, 2017, 08:37:36 am
The BHB (Ex-Jockey club) are not to be messed with, it's them and their like who issue bookies their licence on an annual basis.
If found to be of bad character, they can refuse them a 'Suitability of personal fitness' licence.

As was the case with Ladbrokes Casino division back in the 60's or 70's, they acted the maggot, and had their Casino licence revoked fer a full Ten years.
Title: Re: Paddy Power acting the maggot.
Post by: john m on October 02, 2017, 08:50:45 am
I remember working for Donnacha O Dea he had 3 shops in Dublin and 1 saturday we took a lot of small bets on a thing called The Black Sack at a by meeting at the time he didnt offer board prices on non handicaps .It opened '12/1 backed down to 10s O Dea realized he held about  600 on it so rang his agent who had connections at every UK course had 300 on, the betting then went 12/1...10/1....6/1 betting suspended then it went 5/4 There is very little on course action at some of those UK By meetings Barney Curley was one of the first to cop that he use to back an outsider for readies on course but have his real coin on the fav off course .Manipulating the SP is part of the game there was a famous one at the dogs in Mullingar Alo Hogan an independent bookie in the south of the country use to pay the SP on greyhound racing in Ireland most other bookies steared clear of it 30 or so years ago .The dog was Yellow Sam he should of been odds on but the boys blocked the tote windows and backed every dog in the race but only had a pound or two on Sam he won as expected and returned at about 6/1 he should of been about 4/7
Title: Re: Paddy Power acting the maggot.
Post by: john m on October 02, 2017, 08:53:54 am
That dog might of been Ballydonnell Sam .im not sure which .
Title: Re: Paddy Power acting the maggot.
Post by: mercenary for hire on October 02, 2017, 08:54:46 am
Are you lads on tablets?The whole premise behind opening a betting shop is manipulation.There is no fairness in gambling.It's a magnet for lads who are shite at basic maths and think they're gifted somehow.
Title: Re: Paddy Power acting the maggot.
Post by: john m on October 02, 2017, 09:15:32 am
Are you lads on tablets?The whole premise behind opening a betting shop is manipulation.There is no fairness in gambling.It's a magnet for lads who are shite at basic maths and think they're gifted somehow.

Your sort of not right and not wrong as well .Maths helps Bookies make a book to a margin and if you have patience and discipline you can nick a few quid every now and then .About 30 years ago the changed the tax on betting in the UK and abolished the tax on course .The bookies over reacted and horses running @ long odds on became the norm especially if Henry Cecil trained them .One Saturday there were 3 races with distorted markets .Cecil had a horse called Sure Blade he was a top 2 year old but had missed most of his 3 year old season but Cecil got him back on a race course for a mickey mouse race where he started 1/33 the second fav was 16/1 and certain to be second .The other race and I have only ever seen this once the first two in the betting started odds on 10/11 each and the 3 fav was 20/1 looked a certainty to be placed .The other race the fav started odds on and the place robbery was 6/1 .We got a nice few quid out of that .You dont see to many opportunities to steal money like that anymore .The bookies just make the book on course  without the fav and quote the fav for SP purposes only .
Title: Re: Paddy Power acting the maggot.
Post by: markmiwurdz on October 02, 2017, 09:46:22 am
Yellow Sam was a hoss John,Barney Curley set the coup up at Cartmel IIRC,no mobile phones back then and the boys piled into the horse at 16/1 and 20/1 and someone from Curley's gang kept the only phone line between the track and the shops busy so there was no way for the books to warn each other what was happening.
Title: Re: Paddy Power acting the maggot.
Post by: john m on October 02, 2017, 09:47:43 am
Yeh I thought I was mixing up the names Ballydonnell Sam was the Dog  Was the horse not Gay Future ?
Title: Re: Paddy Power acting the maggot.
Post by: The Liffey Lip on October 02, 2017, 09:49:11 am
Are you lads on tablets?The whole premise behind opening a betting shop is manipulation.There is no fairness in gambling.It's a magnet for lads who are shite at basic maths and think they're gifted somehow.

You're right, but it's human to think there's something better out there Mercenary. Most people lead lives of drudgery...hence pubs and nightclubs and marriage and kids and every other rigged rite of passage. It's all a game mate! Gambling is particularly dangerous, I'll give you that. Men buy gadgets when the sex dries up and women start changing things about the house when they lose their sexual allure.
Title: Re: Paddy Power acting the maggot.
Post by: john m on October 02, 2017, 09:51:48 am
Are you lads on tablets?The whole premise behind opening a betting shop is manipulation.There is no fairness in gambling.It's a magnet for lads who are shite at basic maths and think they're gifted somehow.

You're right, but it's human to think there's something better out there Mercenary. Most people lead lives of drudgery...hence pubs and nightclubs and marriage and kids and every other rigged rite of passage. It's all a game mate! Gambling is particularly dangerous, I'll give you that. Men buy gadgets when the sex dries up and women start changing things about the house when they lose their sexual allure.

My missus just moved me new telly and Video and Hi Fi and games consel etc etc etc etc 
Title: Re: Paddy Power acting the maggot.
Post by: markmiwurdz on October 02, 2017, 09:52:31 am
Yeh I thought I was mixing up the names Ballydonnell Sam was the Dog  Was the horse not Gay Future ?
T'was Bellewstown John,my mistake.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Sam_betting_coup
Title: Re: Paddy Power acting the maggot.
Post by: markmiwurdz on October 02, 2017, 09:54:07 am
He hit them with  Gay Future as well in Cartmel in 1974.

The horse Gay Future had received some dreadful reviews prior to a race in Cartmel, which made its 15-length win something of a surprise. What its observers didn't know was that the horse they’d originally seen was an imposter.

The real Gay Future was trained to its peak at the stables of Edward O'Grady in Co Tipperary. O'Grady and Future's owner, Tony Murphy, had sent another horse - a rubbish one - to Scotland. On the day of the race small bets were placed on Gay Future in doubles and trebles with two more of Tony Collins’s horses. That pair, Opera Cloak and Anderwyke, were subsequently withdrawn from their respective races, turning the multiple bets into singles.

Before the race, soap was rubbed into Future’s legs to make it look as if he was sweating up, a factor which dissuaded on-track punters, and kept his odds steady at 10/1. When the horse won the protagonists were set to pocket approximately €2million in today’s money. However, the unusual betting patterns were spotted, Murphy was convicted of fraud, fined £1000, and banned from British racecourses for ten years.
Title: Re: Paddy Power acting the maggot.
Post by: The Liffey Lip on October 02, 2017, 09:55:55 am
Barney's famous coup impossible with technology but he still managed to swindle millions a few yrs ago with hundreds of young lads on mopeds placing fivers on his Lucky 15 in Germany. He realised the only way to win was to be at the top table...own the horses and get a "naïve" jockey....Good auld Tom.


http://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/horse-racing/barney-curley-horse-racing-coup-3052758 (http://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/horse-racing/barney-curley-horse-racing-coup-3052758)
Title: Re: Paddy Power acting the maggot.
Post by: The Liffey Lip on October 02, 2017, 09:57:35 am
Are you lads on tablets?The whole premise behind opening a betting shop is manipulation.There is no fairness in gambling.It's a magnet for lads who are shite at basic maths and think they're gifted somehow.

You're right, but it's human to think there's something better out there Mercenary. Most people lead lives of drudgery...hence pubs and nightclubs and marriage and kids and every other rigged rite of passage. It's all a game mate! Gambling is particularly dangerous, I'll give you that. Men buy gadgets when the sex dries up and women start changing things about the house when they lose their sexual allure.

My missus just moved me new telly and Video and Hi Fi and games consel etc etc etc etc

There'd be no factory workers in Glasgow if it wasn't for Rangers and Celtic fans...escaping the drudgery..
Title: Re: Paddy Power acting the maggot.
Post by: john m on October 02, 2017, 10:08:39 am
Gambling is crooket as fuck .I worked for Alan Tuttill many years ago as a runner and dogs body .He would send me off to pay out winnings and collect losses and his motto was if it can talk let it walk he never bet on boxing or snooker .It was him who copped on to the Snooker coup in the Irish Benson and Hedges at Goffs .A body came in to the shop and wanted 100 on Silvino Fransisco to beat Tony Knowles 5-2  Alan refused the bet and rang Ed Mc Williams who had just laid the same bet .I was on me toes around the corner to Jim walsh to have 20 on for meself @ 9/2 .I borrowed the score off Tuttill .I think it was Rex Williams advised players playing in Snooker Finals to have a bet on their opponent so no matter what the result they walk away with the same amount of readies .He was the Chairman of the WPBSA .That tells you the mentality in the Game and how straight it was .
Title: Re: Paddy Power acting the maggot.
Post by: The Liffey Lip on October 02, 2017, 10:14:25 am
You don't say? 8)
Title: Re: Paddy Power acting the maggot.
Post by: Rat Catcher on October 02, 2017, 11:47:59 am
He hit them with  Gay Future as well in Cartmel in 1974.



Murphy's Stroke. Well worth a look if you're feeling nostalgic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJI7K084qME (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJI7K084qME)
Title: Re: Paddy Power acting the maggot.
Post by: Belker on October 02, 2017, 01:08:31 pm
He hit them with  Gay Future as well in Cartmel in 1974.


Murphy's Stroke. Well worth a look if you're feeling nostalgic.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJI7K084qME[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJI7K084qME[/url])


I actually bought a copy of that from eBay (on VHS) about Ten years ago,
just so as to watch it again, Great show and true fer the most part.
Title: Re: Paddy Power acting the maggot.
Post by: Rat Catcher on October 02, 2017, 01:35:49 pm
Downloaded it from youtube a few years back myself.
Title: Re: Paddy Power acting the maggot.
Post by: Belker on October 02, 2017, 01:37:30 pm
Are you lads on tablets?The whole premise behind opening a betting shop is manipulation.There is no fairness in gambling.It's a magnet for lads who are shite at basic maths and think they're gifted somehow.

Some of us are Gifted, I'll hazard a guess that most of today's odds offered by bookies on any numbers game
where originally thought out by either myself or my father. My father being the first bookie ever to offer odds
on the Irish Lotto. To follow on from my father I introduced "Pick 3", "Fabulous 4", "Take 5", Odds on the English
lotto, Odds on the Euromilions draw and just about everything else regarding numbers betting.
Title: Re: Paddy Power acting the maggot.
Post by: Belker on October 02, 2017, 01:40:42 pm
Downloaded it from youtube a few years back myself.

Niall Tobin playing as 'Murphy' was spectacular !
Title: Re: Paddy Power acting the maggot.
Post by: Rat Catcher on October 02, 2017, 01:42:38 pm
Taking odds on the Lotto is a total mugs bet, the mathematics tell you you can't win... like slot machines.
Title: Re: Paddy Power acting the maggot.
Post by: Belker on October 02, 2017, 01:51:34 pm
Taking odds on the Lotto is a total mugs bet, the mathematics tell you you can't win... like slot machines.

I know !
I made up most of the Odds.