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Title: Anti post bet
Post by: john m on January 11, 2018, 03:36:43 pm
Anybody interested in picking 6 horses for cheltenham Look for value on horses that might get placed and hava a chance of winning ,eg fav in the champion is short second fav is dodgy so value in one of the outsiders to place .Bet 1 euroech way heinz cost 114 Euro and have a 3 euro e/w accum  6 of us pick one horse each and pay a score .If your interested sign up .

John M
Title: Re: Anti post bet
Post by: john m on January 11, 2018, 03:39:47 pm
Ill sign up the Rat and cover his score as he is driving to Cork .
Title: Re: Anti post bet
Post by: Rat Catcher on January 11, 2018, 03:43:45 pm
Nice one, I'm in. Are you gonna pick me horse?
Title: Re: Anti post bet
Post by: john m on January 11, 2018, 03:48:11 pm
Nice one, I'm in. Are you gonna pick me horse?

Wouldnt think of it .

Just need to get 6 then draw lots for what order we choose the race we want and away we go .
Title: Re: Anti post bet
Post by: Belker on January 11, 2018, 05:05:55 pm
I'm in, and my wager will be in the Coral cup,
I doubt that you will have many others looking to participate in that race !
Title: Re: Anti post bet
Post by: Belker on January 11, 2018, 05:17:20 pm
Anybody interested in picking 6 horses for cheltenham Look for value on horses that might get placed and hava a chance of winning ,eg fav in the champion is short second fav is dodgy so value in one of the outsiders to place .Bet 1 euroech way heinz cost 114 Euro and have a 3 euro e/w accum  6 of us pick one horse each and pay a score .If your interested sign up .

John M

Not looking Good that you couldn't spell 'Ante Post' or even 'Each-way' correctly !

But Whatever I'm in, the Coral cup owes me, I had 5 selections unplaced in it last
year on my Placepot bet, and the Placepot dividend was 2K on the day.
Title: Re: Anti post bet
Post by: john m on March 06, 2018, 11:11:45 pm
Ok Ken you have the two races you picked .Im going Champions  hurdle Stayers hurdle Rat can choose his races .Try go for working mans prices if we can get them placed thats the game a winner is a bonus good luck .
Title: Re: Anti post bet
Post by: john m on March 06, 2018, 11:34:10 pm
First day going should be at least soft if not heavy in the champion Wicklow Brave or Micks Jazz look the two value bets against the fav .Faugheen is a desperate second favorite a shadow of what he use to be I wouldnt back him @ 66/1 never mind 6/1 Micks Jazz has been consistent all year 20/1 looks fair value but Wicklow Brave ran well last year  lacks a bit of toe but stays so heavy ground might bring him into play .BET Micks Jazz @ 20/1 is my first choice in the champions .


The Stayers is a race I like had a monster bet two years ago on Niclas Canyon to win or place he was a non runner but won the race last year .Dont think Apples Jade who is the Fav will run in this race Supersunday or Yanworth wont stay YouknowwhatImean Harry  @ 14./1 is my pick .
Title: Re: Anti post bet
Post by: silverbullet on March 06, 2018, 11:48:15 pm
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Title: Re: Anti post bet
Post by: john m on March 06, 2018, 11:55:32 pm
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I work less hours ina month than you do in a week  rofl rofl rofl rofl
Title: Re: Anti post bet
Post by: Belker on March 07, 2018, 12:00:15 pm
I'll take Bleu Et Rouge in the Coral cup on Wednesday even tho we only get 4 places on Ante-post,
prob be 6 places on the day.
Title: Re: Anti post bet
Post by: john m on March 07, 2018, 03:20:38 pm
I'll take Bleu Et Rouge in the Coral cup on Wednesday even tho we only get 4 places on Ante-post,
prob be 6 places on the day.

We can wait for best place terms .You have another race Ken .It looks like just you me and Rodent are in so we pick 2 each and each place a E/W Heinz and best of luck .
Title: Re: Anti post bet
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 07, 2018, 03:54:49 pm
Each way, all each way or just each way?
Title: Re: Anti post bet
Post by: Vikkiz on March 07, 2018, 07:51:42 pm
I have no fucking clue what ye are shitting on about
Title: Re: Anti post bet
Post by: silverbullet on March 07, 2018, 11:45:10 pm
I have no fucking clue what ye are shitting on about
+1.
Title: Re: Anti post bet
Post by: silverbullet on March 07, 2018, 11:49:06 pm
I have no fucking clue what ye are shitting on about

+1.

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Title: Re: Anti post bet
Post by: Vikkiz on March 08, 2018, 02:24:50 am
Say it lay mans terms or simple English for me will yiz.  Horse X running at whatever time and it's odds(but I suppose that changes with each shop)
The only part I did understand was each way  lol
Title: Re: Anti post bet
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 08, 2018, 11:12:58 am
An example might help. Let's consider a €100 each way double with one winner and one placed horse, both priced at 16/1 with place terms of 1/4 odds.

The each way (default) method would return €2,500 - win and place elements are two separate doubles. The win double loses so returns €0 and the place double wins - winnings from the first placed horse, €500 (€100@4/1), goes on to the second giving the return (€500 @ 4/1).

The each way all each way method (must be written on docket) would return €5,500 - after each leg (race) any returns are divided equally as an each way bet on the next leg. So, if the first horse is placed the win portion of that leg has lost but the place portion returns €500 (€100 @ 4/1) which is divided equally on the second horse i.e. €250 EW. Hence, if the second horse wins the win portion returns €4,250 (€250 @ 16/1) and the place portion returns €1,250 (€250 @ 4/1) giving a total return of €5,500.

If both horses were placed the return would be the same using the normal "each way" method i.e. €2,500 but would be lower using the "each way all each way" method i.e. €1,250 (€250 @ 4/1).
Title: Re: Anti post bet
Post by: Vikkiz on March 08, 2018, 12:06:49 pm
I said I understood the each way part. It's the rest that was gobbledygook
Title: Re: Anti post bet
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 08, 2018, 01:09:37 pm
Place terms vary depending on the number of runners and whether the race is a handicap or not but are generally 1/4 or 1/5 of the win price for horse racing. Odds vary from firm to firm until the opening show is broadcast from the course, usually c.20 mins before the off. Most bookmakers offer guaranteed odds so it always makes sense to take the price on offer.
Title: Re: Anti post bet
Post by: Vikkiz on March 08, 2018, 08:18:25 pm
Just tell me which horses in which race to pick ffs
Title: Re: Anti post bet
Post by: silverbullet on March 08, 2018, 11:23:54 pm
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I work less hours ina month than you do in a week  rofl rofl rofl rofl
If you're referencing me, that means you're doing 28 hours a month, or less than an hour a day. by the time you're getting through Ballyfermot, it's time to go home! 8)
Title: Re: Anti post bet
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 09, 2018, 11:21:35 am
Just tell me which horses in which race to pick ffs

Might try a Cheltenham tipster competition for next week's festival. MMW has done well in previous years on Roy's so, if we do and he participates, just follow what he tips. Ken landed one or two? decent placepots too... I even got a bottle of 10YO out of him!
Title: Re: Anti post bet
Post by: Vikkiz on March 09, 2018, 11:28:04 am
I did hear that last year's winner in the Gold Cup(if that's what it is called) isn't running, it has a hairline fracture
Title: Re: Anti post bet
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 09, 2018, 03:48:34 pm
Devastating news.
Title: Re: Anti post bet
Post by: Belker on March 11, 2018, 01:46:01 pm
Each way, all each way or just each way?

God bless your memory Stephen,
I can't even remember the Rules on that !
Title: Re: Anti post bet
Post by: Belker on March 11, 2018, 02:33:00 pm
Anybody interested in picking 6 horses for cheltenham Look for value on horses that might get placed and hava a chance of winning ,eg fav in the champion is short second fav is dodgy so value in one of the outsiders to place .Bet 1 euroech way heinz cost 114 Euro and have a 3 euro e/w accum  6 of us pick one horse each and pay a score .If your interested sign up .

John M

Forget the 'EW Heinz', that's only a Bookies benifit, as is the 'EW Canadian', but as we only have 3 players and with Mise with only One selection (As named), it might be better to play with 5 selections giving yourself and Rats Two Aunty Post selections each.

Firstly drop the Doubles, you will never get a big return off Doubles, but only a pittance return of your stake.
Secondly drop the EW Quin because that is already covered in the EW Accum.

The bet should be 'IMO' (5 selections),
10 x 4Euro EW Trebles, 5 x 3Euro EW Quads
And a Fiver EW Accer.
Title: Re: Anti post bet
Post by: Belker on March 11, 2018, 02:41:29 pm
I'll take Bleu Et Rouge in the Coral cup on Wednesday.

Stake is 120Euro, That's 'Forty' a Boy.
I'm In with my above named selection.
Title: Re: Anti post bet
Post by: john m on March 11, 2018, 04:32:22 pm
Anybody interested in picking 6 horses for cheltenham Look for value on horses that might get placed and hava a chance of winning ,eg fav in the champion is short second fav is dodgy so value in one of the outsiders to place .Bet 1 euroech way heinz cost 114 Euro and have a 3 euro e/w accum  6 of us pick one horse each and pay a score .If your interested sign up .

John M

Forget the 'EW Heinz', that's only a Bookies benifit, as is the 'EW Canadian', but as we only have 3 players and with Mise with only One selection (As named), it might be better to play with 5 selections giving yourself and Rats Two Aunty Post selections each.

Firstly drop the Doubles, you will never get a big return off Doubles, but only a pittance return of your stake.
Secondly drop the EW Quin because that is already covered in the EW Accum.

The bet should be 'IMO' (5 selections),
10 x 4Euro EW Trebles, 5 x 3Euro EW Quads
And a Fiver EW Accer.

you would be sisk as a pig if we got two 20/1winners and fuck all else .Nobody seems interested so we just go our own way .Ill include a bit extra on my bet to cover the Rodents promised subscription in the original idea .Looks like somebody else copped on to Wicklow Brave no more 20/1 available wouldnt be surprised if he goes off second fav.
Title: Re: Anti post bet
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 12, 2018, 11:36:47 am
The bet should be 'IMO' (5 selections),
10 x 4Euro EW Trebles, 5 x 3Euro EW Quads
And a Fiver EW Accer.

That'd cost €120 - Without reading back through the thread I think the total stake was to be €10 or €20 a man.

Why not 4 selections
6 * €5 win doubles
4 * €1.50 EW Trebles
4 * €1.50 EW all EW Trebles
1 * €1.50 EW Accumulator
1 * €1.50 EW all EW Accumulator
€60.00
Title: Re: Anti post bet
Post by: john m on March 12, 2018, 12:21:37 pm
Rodent you have a share in
Djakadam 25 /1 gold cup the most overpriced horse running at he whole meeting
Micks Jazz  33/1 champion hurdle most improved hurdler this year
youknowhatimean arry 14/1 stayers hurdle second fav for this last year
Min champion chase cant see him out of the first 3 .All horses are in Champion races .

And the week started welljust got a Phone call from the Gards in Shankill they got me 74 yoyofare for me .
Title: Re: Anti post bet
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 12, 2018, 12:32:33 pm
Nice one. Did you do the

6 * €5 win doubles
4 * €1.50 EW Trebles
4 * €1.50 EW all EW Trebles
1 * €1.50 EW Accumulator
1 * €1.50 EW all EW Accumulator

?
Title: Re: Anti post bet
Post by: Belker on March 12, 2018, 12:44:30 pm
Do bookies still accept 'All EW' bets ?

I haven't heard that term used in many years.
If I remember correctly it was a way of avoiding
the 20% betting tax, as was Credit bets using the
'Up and Down' system.
Title: Re: Anti post bet
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 12, 2018, 01:28:43 pm
Wouldn't avoid tax any more than any other multiple unless it was combined with some sort of  'x on y back' instruction. There's no option to do them online but I'm sure any office would take it, there's no reason why not. You might have to explain what you mean though as it's not very common. Probably about 5 years since I put one on in my local bookmakers shop, the lady who took the docket showed it to her male colleague (who was presumably more experienced) and he combined a nodding motion with a grunting sound which she seemed to interpret as affirming that he understood the instruction.
Title: Re: Anti post bet
Post by: Belker on March 13, 2018, 10:04:28 am
I have heard or read of this type of bet, but in all my years I have never been offered such a bet.

Back in the day when the betting tax was 20% the 'All EW' bet would avoid paying any tax on
the next named selection just the same as the old 'Up and Down' type credit bet.
Title: Re: Anti post bet
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 13, 2018, 02:25:27 pm
Normal EW would avoid the tax on the second leg, too. EWAEW just tilts the stake in favour of the win portion.
Title: Re: Anti post bet
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 13, 2018, 04:12:31 pm
Rodent you have a share in
Djakadam 25 /1 gold cup the most overpriced horse running at he whole meeting
Micks Jazz  33/1 champion hurdle most improved hurdler this year  PLACED
youknowhatimean arry 14/1 stayers hurdle second fav for this last year
Min champion chase cant see him out of the first 3 .All horses are in Champion races .

And the week started welljust got a Phone call from the Gards in Shankill they got me 74 yoyofare for me .

C'mon the erem!
Title: Re: Anti post bet
Post by: Belker on March 14, 2018, 01:13:40 pm
Rodent you have a share in
Djakadam 25 /1 gold cup the most overpriced horse running at he whole meeting
Micks Jazz  33/1 champion hurdle most improved hurdler this year  PLACED
youknowhatimean arry 14/1 stayers hurdle second fav for this last year
Min champion chase cant see him out of the first 3 .All horses are in Champion races .

And the week started welljust got a Phone call from the Gards in Shankill they got me 74 yoyofare for me .

C'mon the erem!

What bet and stake ?
Title: Re: Anti post bet
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 14, 2018, 03:37:12 pm
Rodent you have a share in
Djakadam 25 /1 gold cup the most overpriced horse running at he whole meeting
Micks Jazz  33/1 champion hurdle most improved hurdler this year PLACED
youknowhatimean arry 14/1 stayers hurdle second fav for this last year
Min champion chase cant see him out of the first 3 .All horses are in Champion races .PLACED

And the week started welljust got a Phone call from the Gards in Shankill they got me 74 yoyofare for me .

C'mon the erem!
Title: Re: Anti post bet
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 15, 2018, 04:16:51 pm
Rodent you have a share in
Djakadam 25 /1 gold cup the most overpriced horse running at he whole meeting
Micks Jazz  33/1 champion hurdle most improved hurdler this year PLACED
youknowhatimean arry 14/1 stayers hurdle second fav for this last year LOST
Min champion chase cant see him out of the first 3 .All horses are in Champion races .PLACED

And the week started welljust got a Phone call from the Gards in Shankill they got me 74 yoyofare for me .

Gobshite!