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Title: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: Belker on March 12, 2018, 11:12:31 am
On a few occasions every year a good gambling opportunity comes around, fer me the Tote Cheltenham Placepot offers the greatest value over any other bet fer the year.
The Cheltenham Placepot will often offer over Ten times the accumulated multiple odds of a Place Accumulator.
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 12, 2018, 11:25:00 am
Feel free to share your selections.

Anyone else having a bet or picking horses for fun may post 'em here to share with the group.
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: Belker on March 12, 2018, 11:33:05 am
My system fer betting on the Placepot is to pick a few runners per race, always including the Fav, as it's most important to keep the bet 'Live' but hopeing that the Fav is unplaced and another of your selections gets placed.
I usually pick between 2 and 5 horses per race, in the big handicaps I like to have 5 on the go.

The lowest stake per line accepted on the Placepot is .10 Cent, so taking an average of 3 horses per race works out at 729 lines or a 79.20 stake. My usual stake is between 60 and 80Euro per day.
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: Belker on March 12, 2018, 11:48:59 am
My Form;
Firstly 35 years in the gambling game as both bookie and semi-professional punter.

My Cheltenham Placepot bets to date as posted and time verified on Roys Rolls;
2015; Got the Placepot up fer about 650Euro.
2016; Got the Placepot up again fer about 2,500Euro.
2017; Got the Placepot up on day One fer a measly 80Euro and then Hit the Crossbar
fer 2K on the Wednesday when all 5 of my selections were unplaced in the Coral cup.
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 12, 2018, 11:55:03 am
Pick 5 horses in a race and none in the frame - FFS, even the erm couldn't do that!
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: Belker on March 12, 2018, 12:02:10 pm
Pick 5 horses in a race and none in the frame - FFS, even the erm couldn't do that!

I know, it still bugs me and I had the Odds-on Fav unplaced in a previous race with my other selection getting a place in the same race which meant that the dividend was going to be big.
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: Belker on March 13, 2018, 11:30:59 am
Tricky Placepot today (Tues) with 4 Hot-pots. You must include the Fav in all these races to keep the bet Live but hope that the Fav will be unplaced and another of your selections finds the frame. If all the Fav's are placed the dividend will hardly get your stake back.

1/30. 2, 15, 17.
2/10. 2, 3.
2/50. 3, 7, 10, 12.
3/30. 1, 5.
4/10. 1, 6.
4/50. 3, 5, 11.

3x2x4x2x2x3 = 288 lines @ .10 cent per line is 28.80.
I went fer .20 cent per line staking 57.60.
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: john m on March 13, 2018, 11:40:10 am
I went for the PP myself Ken bankered 3 Apples Jade and Buvie went Kalashnikodd against the fav in the second .Then dolly mixtures the other three races .Also had a 5er all fave through the card .If the 4 good things run their races they should all be placed so getting decent odds on the other two favs in the handicaps being placed .
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: Belker on March 13, 2018, 11:50:57 am
I went for the PP myself Ken bankered 3 Apples Jade and Buvie went Kalashnikodd against the fav in the second .Then dolly mixtures the other three races .Also had a 5er all fave through the card .If the 4 good things run their races they should all be placed so getting decent odds on the other two favs in the handicaps being placed .

No, No John M, Bankering is the complete wrong thing to do, what you need to do is include the Fav and have an outsider or Two on your list and hope that the Fav is unplaced and your other selection finds the frame. That is where the big money dividends are.
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: john m on March 13, 2018, 12:01:15 pm
I know that ken but I watched a piece from Gordons where Apple Jade lead the work during the snow cant see her unplaced the Champion hurdle looks more like a vets waiting room with broken or mental horses so cant see the fav unplaced The first race looks like a 5 or 6 horse race with most of the field only entered to give their owners a runner .The Arkle you need more than one selection as Novice Chasers Fall a lot .I think bank 3 and dolly mixture the rest increase the chance of hitting the goal .You got to try to play it as you see it .
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: Belker on March 13, 2018, 01:09:48 pm
We have different points of view John M and I fully respect yours as a gambler of the Turf.

Fer me Maths and Odds have always been my strong point.
Of the 16 horses that I picked today, I could not tell you
the name of any of the horse's or his trainer/owner/jockey.
It's all about Maths and Odds !
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: john m on March 13, 2018, 01:50:11 pm
Here you go Ken Live Pool   https://www.scoop6.co.uk/placepot/Cheltenham/ (https://www.scoop6.co.uk/placepot/Cheltenham/)
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 13, 2018, 02:23:20 pm
Then dolly mixtures the other three races

Is Dolly Mixtures running in three races on one day?
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: john m on March 13, 2018, 02:33:11 pm
Then dolly mixtures the other three races

Is Dolly Mixtures running in three races on one day?

2 5 13 in this race
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 13, 2018, 02:36:12 pm
went Kalashnikodd against the fav in the second .

Is it still alive? The favourite won the second.
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: john m on March 13, 2018, 04:28:51 pm
Still going 4 6 8in this race
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 13, 2018, 04:47:14 pm
How many lines?

It would be helpful if you could study Ken's place pot post and post yours in the same format in future i.e. disclosing all selections before the races have run.
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: john m on March 13, 2018, 05:13:28 pm
How many lines?

It would be helpful if you could study Ken's place pot post and post yours in the same format in future i.e. disclosing all selections before the races have run.

Sorry for the inconvenience Rodent just the one line had 16 bankered Kalashnikoff and the two good things .had 2 3 in the second and the others i posted .Probably pat about 40euro .I missed it the last was not a handicap so no 4th place for Place Pot .
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 13, 2018, 05:43:38 pm
I think Ken landed 2 winning lines for a return of £4.58

Had a tenner on Rather Be in the last @ 17/1.... pipped at the post.
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 14, 2018, 11:12:34 am
Having a go at the placepot myself today for a small stake.

Cheltenham - Placepot
Status: Bet placed
Leg   Selection
1   3, 11
2   1, 9
3   2, 8, 10
4   4, 6
5   5, 11
6   4, 10
96 line(s) at  £0.10 each
Total Stake for Bet: £9.60
EUR Equivalent: €10.83
Total Stake for All Bets: £9.60
EUR Equivalent: €10.83
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: Belker on March 14, 2018, 12:55:17 pm
I think Ken landed 2 winning lines for a return of £4.58

Had a tenner on Rather Be in the last @ 17/1.... pipped at the post.

I did .20 cent lines yesterday so the return was a whopping 9.16 !
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: Belker on March 14, 2018, 01:01:37 pm
A hard one today with Two cavalry charges but the dividend should be good if a few favs are unplaced.

1/30. 4 x 11 x 12.
2/10. 4 x 7 x 10.
2/50. 2 x 8 x 10 x 23.
3/30. 1 x 6.
4/10. 11 x 12.
4/50. 2 x 8 x 10 x 16 x 22.

720 lines @ .10 cent = 72 Euro.
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 14, 2018, 01:06:18 pm
Jaysus, ya left that late Ken. Try and get Friday's up early if you can... wanna put me bets on before I go to the bar.
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: Belker on March 14, 2018, 03:08:53 pm
We is still both in there fighting after 3 legs Rats.
Dividend should be shite anyway with so many Favs and 2nd Favs placed.
We need the Favs unplaced in the next Two races which is unlikely.

Ya should have went fer 3 selections in the last.
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 14, 2018, 03:23:48 pm
If I had your money I would've. I was only speculating a few £s in the hope that all the favourites would fall.
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: john m on March 14, 2018, 03:39:17 pm
The shrewd invester just had a 5er all unamed favs .
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: john m on March 14, 2018, 03:39:58 pm
LIVE POOL    https://www.scoop6.co.uk/placepot/Cheltenham/ (https://www.scoop6.co.uk/placepot/Cheltenham/)
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: john m on March 14, 2018, 03:41:16 pm
about 210 000 tickets still going pool 850.000
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: Belker on March 14, 2018, 03:41:35 pm
The extra 4.80 would hardly have broken you !

Dividend is gonna be shite, be lucky to get our
money back if we even get it up !

Thankfully Douvan didn't get a place.
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 14, 2018, 03:45:57 pm
about 210 000 tickets still going pool 850.000

All favourites placed so far, placepot isn't worth a bollix when that happens.
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: Belker on March 14, 2018, 03:52:05 pm
The shrewd invester just had a 5er all unamed favs .

Dividend will be about a Tenner if'n the last Two Favs get a place.

Did I read somewhere that bets were supposed to be posted before
'Off-time' and not after the First 4 legs had won ?
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: john m on March 14, 2018, 04:34:22 pm
Where did ya read that Kenneth ?
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: Belker on March 14, 2018, 04:42:24 pm
In post number 16 on this thread.


We are all still in the Hunt with just One race to go,
Best of Luck to everyone. ::cheers

Dividend will be pittance but nice to get it up anyways !
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: john m on March 14, 2018, 04:47:02 pm
How many lines?

It would be helpful if you could study Ken's place pot post and post yours in the same format in future i.e. disclosing all selections before the races have run.


Ken did you mean this .Since when would I be helpfull .
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 14, 2018, 04:51:12 pm
Dividend will be pittance but nice to get it up anyways !

Indeed it is... and without watching Countdown.
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: john m on March 14, 2018, 04:53:18 pm
Dividend will be pittance but nice to get it up anyways !

Indeed it is... and without watching Countdown.

its about 9/1 as it stands
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: Belker on March 14, 2018, 05:23:16 pm
Ah Bollix ! got none placed out of my 5 selections.

John M is the Winner today !
Congrats John M  ::cheers
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: john m on March 14, 2018, 05:27:38 pm
36.70 Ken I lost on the day had a bit E/W on Special Tiarra .Got a few quid yesterday off Micks Jazz but gave a bit back last night on the football .Bad day for the sport with Ruby breaking the same leg again I wonder have we seen him for the last time .
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 14, 2018, 05:35:19 pm
Ruby's replaceable. I think a few horses have died so far which is more cause for concern.
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: john m on March 14, 2018, 08:56:05 pm
Undesau and the fav in the mares  noth worth opposing reduce your perms and consentrate on the other 4 races .
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: john m on March 15, 2018, 06:28:35 am
Just for you Ken my Placepot Bet today will be the same as yesterday and the day before a 5er onall the unnamed favs posted before racing @6.30 AM .
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: Belker on March 15, 2018, 12:52:32 pm
Thurs.

1/30. 5 x 9 x 10.
2/10. 12 x 13 x 19 x 21.
2/50. 5 x 7.
3/30. 3 x 7 x 11.
4/10. 3 x 6 x 16 x 17.
4/50. 1 x 2 x 11.

864 lines @ .10 cent = 86.40.
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: john m on March 15, 2018, 01:02:05 pm
fav
12,13,14
fav
fav
7,13,19
fav
9x1euro perms
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 15, 2018, 02:10:02 pm
Didn't bother with the place pot today. Had a tenner on Shattered love at a shade over 5/1 so I'll probably throw the proceeds of that away as the afternoon progresses, starting with a tenner on Glenloe in the next (14:10), again at a shade over 5s.
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 15, 2018, 02:25:18 pm
That fucking O'Leary cunt won again. Third time I've been nailed on the line this year, had the second in the last yesterday and in the last on Tuesday. Anywaysanall, no point to backing Un De Sceaux with my money so I'll have a tenner on Cue Card at a shade over 5.5/1 in the 14:50.
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: john m on March 15, 2018, 02:29:30 pm
are boyles offering a free bet if your horse finishes second to the sp fav?
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 15, 2018, 04:10:36 pm
On Last Goodbye in the next, missed the Champion Hurdle, they were just off when I got back from Lidl. Wouldn't have backed the winner anyway so a tenner saved!
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 15, 2018, 04:18:05 pm
Elliot again... the bookies will have no money left tomorrow at this rate.
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 15, 2018, 04:44:50 pm
Still have two tenners burning a hole in my virtual pocket so I'll have one on Maria's Benefit in the next and the other on the good doctor's Band Of Blood in the unlucky last.
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 15, 2018, 05:02:37 pm
are boyles offering a free bet if your horse finishes second to the sp fav?

Boyles won't take a bet on any sport from me.
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 15, 2018, 05:30:00 pm
I've a feeling that Ken's gonna land a big one tomorrow...
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 16, 2018, 11:49:13 am
Cheltenham - Placepot
Status: Bet placed
Leg   Selection
1   8
2   1, 22
3   4, 18
4   9
5   6, 23
6   2, 16, 21
24 line(s) at  £0.50 each
Total Stake for Bet: £12.00
EUR Equivalent: €13.59


Cheltenham - Jackpot
Status: Bet placed
Leg   Selection
1   8
2   1, 22
3   4, 18
4   9
5   6, 23
6   2, 16, 21
24 line(s) at  £0.50 each
Total Stake for Bet: £12.00
EUR Equivalent: €13.59
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: john m on March 16, 2018, 02:40:17 pm
Keep aneye on this it might not be won so huge carryover to a much easier meeting tomorrow .
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: Belker on March 16, 2018, 06:13:02 pm
I've a feeling that Ken's gonna land a big one tomorrow...
Long night last night and didn't play today,
great dividend 32K.

Taking the shortest price placed horse in each race today and taking all races at Quarter place odds,
2/1 x 7/4 x 11/16 x Ev x 7/2 x 9/4 = multiplied place accum odds of 407.21.
As in if you had a 1EW accum on those 6 horses you would have got 407.21.

If you had a 1Euro placepot with the same 6 horses you would have got 32,088.70.
THAT IS ABOUT 79 TIMES THE SP PLACE ACCUM ODDS !

The math is sound, it's the getting de Fookers placed that is the problem !
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: john m on March 16, 2018, 11:52:03 pm
keep an eye ontomorrows nain meeting see if there is one or two bankers the jackpot of 88k is carried over .
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: Rat Catcher on March 17, 2018, 01:31:00 pm
Jaysus, Ken. You woulda landed that. I had a feeling! Even one 10c line woulda got you over 3 large!

It was like the good old days for me. I didn't back one winner all day! I remember over the years lads (one or two of whom could tell you everything about every horse running) joking about how they took the week off to gamble but never won a shilling... was it Einstein who defined insanity as repeating the same behaviour in the expectation of a different outcome?
Title: Re: Cheltenham Placepot.
Post by: Belker on March 20, 2018, 05:42:31 am
keep an eye ontomorrows nain meeting see if there is one or two bankers the jackpot of 88k is carried over .

Whenever there is a big Roll-over on anything the Bookies 'Play' themselves with big bucks fer Two reasons.
Firstly to make a few quid themselves on the Roll-over enhanced market.
And Secondly and much more importantly to ensure that the dividend is kept Low.