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john m

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Phone Home
« on: July 23, 2021, 04:31:48 pm »
Philip Ryan and Ralph Riegel

July 23 2021 02:11 PM

Every person who wants to eat or drink indoors will be required to give their name and phone number under new contact tracing rules.

At a meeting of the Working Group on Indoor Hospitality, the industry was told they will be required to ask every customer who sits inside for their name and phone number.

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Under the existing regulations only one member of a group is asked for their contact details.

The new rules for indoor dining will also see customers asked to show proof of immunity from coronavirus along with photo identification.


Businesses are being asked to anonymously record if customers have provided details of being vaccinated or recovered from Covid-19 in the last six months.

This will mean contact tracing details of customers will be recorded on one sheet of paper while a separate document will note that everyone at an individual table provided proof of immunity.

Restaurants, pubs and cafes have also been asked to police every entrance to their premises to ensure customers cannot walk in without first being checked for proof of immunity


This new rule is understood to have raised eyebrows among industry representative who only learned of the guideline on entrances today.


“It is going to be very hard for businesses to implement a policy like that,” a source at the meeting said.

Officials said the guidelines will advise that keeping tables two metres apart is best practice but one metre will be permitted.

There will be no separate table distances for people dining with unvaccinated children.

Six adults will be permitted per table but it is still unclear how many children will be allowed accompany them. However, unvaccinated children under 18 years old will be permitted to accompany adults when they are dining inside.

Failte Ireland is expected to publish the draft guidelines later on today ahead of indoor dining resuming on Monday.

Taoiseach  Micheál Martin said he was very confident the public will fully comply with new indoor dining rules as he confirmed Ireland will have the fast running vaccination programme worldwide within the next 14 days.

Mr Martin, speaking in Cork, said the Government and health agencies had to trust the public in terms of the new regulations regarding indoor dining.

Those who dine indoors from Monday must either have proof of vaccination or recovery from Covid-19, have photo identification with them and every member of their group must give their names and phone numbers for contact tracing purposes.

"We (as individuals) have obligations to comply. I remember very similar conversations last year when we brought in a law that you had to wear a mask going into a retail store. All the interviews that morning were saying that this would not be enforced," he said.

"The same thing happened with public transport - people complied.

“We have to trust people as well."

Mr Martin said the Government was trying to balance the need to re-open the economy to people while also ensuring the maximum possible level of protection against Covid-19 is maintained.

"The Chief Medical Officer is of the view that the staff are better protected by just serving only vaccinated people in an indoor setting," he said.

"But that said, the vaccination programme is running very fast. We now, in the (next) two weeks, will have the fastest running vaccination programme in the world. Our uptake is very high as a people. We are ahead of schedule."

Last month, only Denmark had a higher vaccination rate than Ireland.

"There are opportunities now for 18-25 year olds who can register with the portal. We will be shortly moving to 16 to 18 year olds and NIAC will be giving advice then in respect of children and that will be in the next week or so.”

He said he wanted to male the point that the Government “really don’t want to be doing this.”

"We are in an unusual context. It is a pandemic. These are decisions one ordinarily would never have to contemplate."

He said it was about balancing the reopening of society with quality of life with public health.

"Those are the essential calls we have to make,” he said.

"NPHET has assured me that as an added protection outdoor hospitality will be more generally available. Indoor dining will be for the vaccinated."

The Taoiseach said he was also very confident about a successful autumn booster vaccination programme.

"Yes - we have already entered into a pre-purchase agreement.

"I pay tribute to all the people involved in the vaccination programme and to the Irish people themselves. We have one of the highest uptake rates and that is very positive.

"Already the HSE is planning the booster and on how we will administer that booster programme because we are now well beyond the half year stage.

"There are various studies around the efficacy and length of efficacy of the vaccine and so that will inform the assessments that will be made by the Task Force on Vaccination (TFV)."


SO YOU NEED TO GIVE A PHONE NUMBER CAN YOU CLAIM A TAX BREAK ON YOUR PHONE ? Sorry no Phone no Pint .


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Re: Phone Home
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2021, 04:50:03 pm »
Tomorrows Riot starts from Customs House @ 4oc .So some old buck living in a two roomed gaff on the side of a hill without tap water electricity or a Phone cant go for a pint .THE REVOLUTION WILL BE TELEVISED .If you have a beer garden out the back you need a bouncer on that door a bouncer on the front door and loads of waiting staff because you cannot go to the bar yourself .Is every second urinal blocked for pissing to allow Social distancing .Hard to think this plan was drawn up by adults .If the Irish Council for Civil liberties are not in Court over the weekend fighting this they should be disbanded .

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« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2021, 05:01:04 pm »
If you go out for a smoke and the guy on the door doesn't remembered you then you have to do the whole ID thingy again  rofl rofl

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« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2021, 05:12:52 pm »
You already leave your name and number at the door for contact tracing purposes.It was like that before Xmas too.

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« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2021, 05:30:38 pm »
You already leave your name and number at the door for contact tracing purposes.It was like that before Xmas too.

It use to be one of the Group now its everybody .I wonder will Noctors be opening?

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« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2021, 05:31:57 pm »
If you go out for a smoke and the guy on the door doesn't remembered you then you have to do the whole ID thingy again  rofl rofl

They will stamp your Hand branded like a Jewish Prisoner how totally disrespectful to people to brand them to get a drink .

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« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2021, 05:35:20 pm »
As forcast these rules would not be released until the Courts were Closed .Fucking Shamefull carry on by a Democratic Government .

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« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2021, 05:44:09 pm »
Courts are not closed completely - there will be a judge on call if needed.

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« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2021, 05:58:12 pm »
Courts are not closed completely - there will be a judge on call if needed.

I hope there is a challenge .If a judge agrees to hear an appeal Im not sure if the Pubs can reopen as it would be sub Judice but if they are already open then they can stay open until a Judge makes his ruling .So it looks like this thing has been time managed to prevent a Judicial review .DEmocracy me bollox .

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« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2021, 06:30:55 pm »
Personally I wonder if many pubs will re-open.  Will they get the staff?  And who wants to drink indoors in this weather?  Also, it's odd you can be an 18 year old waiter and be inside but the minute your shift finishes, you're breaking the law. 

And is the pub liable if the 18 year old gets the virus?  In a civil case, it's the balance of probabilities, not proof beyond doubt.  So if an 18 year spent a year on the PUP and didn't catch the virus.  But caught it within a week of going back to work...  Kids live their life on the internet these days so could maybe prove his whereabouts/contacts through FB/instagram.

If I owned a pub, I'd be tempted to stay shut if I could and let the other pubs work it out first!

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« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2021, 06:54:42 pm »
Most pubs around/Near me have reopened.The only difference the new rules will mean is they'll have more capacity indoors while having bigger outdoor areas.They all seem eager to reopen more.Cant speak for outside of town.

Erm on here taking about civil liberties and democracy...the majority of the population is fully vaccinated.Why should those who choose not to take the vaccine get to hold everyone else back.

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« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2021, 07:17:57 pm »
Ok Merch you are a Hemophiliac you take an injection you bleed to death .How does this Democracy treat You ?Thats the problem Merch we are choosing to victimise people for our benefit

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« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2021, 07:32:14 pm »
The alternative is to keep everything closed for a few years.What's your solution John?

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« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2021, 07:40:27 pm »
The alternative is to keep everything closed for a few years.What's your solution John?

Mick from Cork and the Traitor are telling us we are vaxxing faster than the rest of the world so wait another few weeks until everybody has been offered a jab .We can sit in a Pub but not in a Church .We are victamising people .Why does the Law work ?Because the Law says it is better to see a hundred Guilty men go free than one innocent man go to jail .This government is condemning the innocent .It wont end well .

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« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2021, 07:49:04 pm »
I dunno if hemopheliacs can't take a vaccine buy you can be sure anyone with health issues are already being encouraged to stay away from crowds, even if they're vaccinated.They shouldn't be in the pub if they're bollixed.

It's a gradual reopening while the weather can accommodate it.Slowly people will accept there are gonna be more deaths and they need to take care of their vulnerable until this passes.Too many antivax loopers messing this up.

 


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