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Same ole same ole. Slow news Journalism
« on: June 18, 2022, 08:06:58 pm »
Is a dearth of late-night taxis putting Dubliners in danger?
Some people end up having to walk home from an evening out in the capital as it can be difficult to hail a ride, says
Valerie Flynn
Sunday June 12 2022, 12.01am BST, The Sunday Times
 have reported waiting long periods at ranks or on the street, with many giving up and walking home late at night
Frustrated Dubliners have reported waiting long periods at ranks or on the street, with many giving up and walking home late at night
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When Noel Rock, the former Fine Gael TD turned public relations consultant, went to meet friends in Dublin last bank holiday Sunday, his journey involved a bus followed by a Luas and then a walk. “It was lashing rain,” Rock recalled. “Across the three [hailing] apps and on the street, you absolutely could not get a taxi. I tried for around 40 minutes. There’s clearly a pinch point on the number of taxis.”

He noted that even a “cursory glance” at social media throws up dozens of similar stories from recent weeks. Frustrated Dubliners have reported waiting long periods at ranks or on the street, with many giving up and walking home late at night. “Talking to any young woman in the city, in particular, will make you realise how unsafe they feel at being stuck or stranded for 20, 30, 40 minutes, waiting for a taxi,” Rock said.

As he was trying to hail a cab, 15,000 people were making their way to the sold-out Forbidden Fruit Festival elsewhere in the capital. Both taxi drivers and punters agree it is at such times of high demand that the “pinch point” with supply arises.

Yet at about midnight on Friday of the bank holiday weekend there was no shortage of taxis seeking work in the city centre. The consensus among drivers at a rank on Dame Street was that the reported shortage was an exaggeration.

Mick Maloney said: “People all come outside at the same time and say ‘there’s no taxis’ because they’re waiting half an hour. There’s never going to be a taxi for everyone. If you’d been here an hour ago you would have seen me waiting hours for a job. There are not many jobs where you are supposed to be busy for only two hours on a Friday and Saturday night.”



Several drivers added that the pandemic prompted many taxi drivers either to change their work pattern to daytime, given that nightlife was shut, or to leave the industry entirely in response to the collapse in demand. Some immigrant drivers returned to their own countries, while other drivers took jobs with Dublin Bus or doing delivery driving.

Patrick O’Reilly, who has been working as a taxi driver for 20 years, said: “Lads are not working as late into the night. I’m 66 and I’m going home now shortly.”


Two thirds of taxi drivers in Ireland are over the age of 50 — a challenge identified by the National Transport Authority (NTA), the sector’s regulator. After pre-pandemic recruitment campaigns, more than 1,200 new licences were issued each year. However, so far this year only 376 new licences have been issued. The size of the active fleet shrank by 11 per cent to 15,800 vehicles during the pandemic, the lowest level in 17 years, and well below the peak of 21,000 in 2008. Of those drivers still on the road, an NTA survey has found less than one third are now working Friday and Saturday nights.

The age of the fleet is also a looming problem. A ten-year retirement age for taxi vehicles was put on hiatus in the pandemic to support the sector but only until the end of 2022. Next year over 5,000 cars — about one third of the active fleet — must come off the road, bringing the risk of a further exodus from the industry.



This weekend the Department of Transport said there was “no consideration being given to amending the age-related rules now or at any time in the future”. In fact the department wants old cars to be replaced with electric vehicles, with a €15 million grant scheme in place to “support the greening of the sector”. However, the biggest grants are available only to scrap cars that have at least three years left as taxis. Last year 600 drivers shared just €11 million in grants.

The NTA acknowledged the “demand pressure” on taxis after pubs and clubs close. While it deems the problem particularly acute in Dublin, it noted that in all Irish urban areas demand is concentrated at times when there are few other options. Public transport is limited in Dublin after 11.30pm, and close to non-existent everywhere else. Bar closing times are not staggered.

David McGuinness, chairman of Tiomanai Tacsai na hEireann (TTNh), a representative group, said: “I don’t think there’s a shortage of taxis. I think there’s a shortage of other public transport after midnight. Dublin is supposed to be a major city. Taxis are taking the slack.”

McGuinness said TTNh warned the government early in the pandemic that drivers would leave the industry without more support. “We got the same help [the pandemic unemployment payment] as a student working in Centra at the weekend, and we were supposed to keep an expensive car on the road and pay insurance,” he said.



In fact the government did give taxi drivers waivers on licence fees, motor tax and NCT costs during the pandemic. Ireland’s supply problem is compounded by the fact ride-sharing services remain illegal here. The Uber app allows you only to hail a regular taxi. Since deregulation in 2000, Ireland has had an unusually high number of taxis. In Britain, for example, there are only 1.2 per 1,000 population compared with 3.2 in Ireland. However, when the likes of Uber and hackney cabs are counted, Britain actually has 19 per cent more small public-service vehicle licences per capita than Ireland.

The NTA hopes to incentivise drivers to work late nights by allowing fares to increase by an average of 12.5 per cent later this summer, with the increases weighted heavily towards the “premium” hours of 8pm to 8am on Friday, Saturdays and bank holidays. It is also considering allowing five more Dublin bus routes to operate through the night.

However, even if the problem of late-night availability at weekends is solved, other pinch points will remain. Just 10 per cent of the taxi fleet can serve Dublin airport, where many passengers have reported waiting more than an hour in recent weeks. DAA, the airports agency, will issue new licences only to vehicles that are wheelchair accessible or can seat five passengers, which disqualifies saloon cars. It charges drivers €440 a year to use the airport’s ranks.

For taxi users, waiting in line looks set to continue.

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Re: Same ole same ole. Slow news Journalism
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2022, 08:53:09 pm »
I wudny work noites anymore if yu paid me ........f...kin animals ....
Anyway ...

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The only reason they don't talk is because the lips are too rubbery ....but ther lips where made that way so they cud grip an  peel a banana wit ther mouth whilst  swinging tru the trees

An another amazing fact ....

Yu have to have an IQ  of 86 or over to get into the  American
Military....that means the stupid ones stay at home an breed more idiots .....an the smart ones get ther head blown off somewhere ....an as a result....the IQ of the American workin class  has declined for decades ....


I read that in a book  :)




 

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« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2022, 05:47:04 am »
"with the increases weighted heavily towards the “premium” hours of 8pm to 8am on Friday, Saturdays and bank holidays"
That's the first mention that I've heard of that, anyone got any details?
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« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2022, 07:33:21 am »
Maybe day jobs up 8% and night jobs up 14%. Average of 12% increase? I dunno.

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« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2022, 09:01:31 am »
Read through the drivel and you will find the FACT ....It is also considering allowing five more Dublin bus routes to operate through the night. This is what the no taxi campaign is all about and I told you so .The bus companies want night link/time busses to be included in the Public Service Levy .This is a guaranteed payment to the company for every bus journey they take .Alread there are new bus services starting @ 5.30AM most traditional bus services stop at 12 with the last bus leaving the terminus before 11.30 pm .What Go Bus and other private bus providers are looking for is the Service Levy to be paid to them to fill the gap in service as they know early week the busses will be running empty .Eamo and the Nymphs of the Forest do not want more cars blocking up the streets burning dirty fossil fuels an Electric Bus will carry more freight for less energy .Again I will refer to Goodbody Report that Reps probably never read .The Government paid 400,000 to Goodbody to write this they wont ignore it .They say they want off Street ranking so imagine transition depos where Taxis only cover last mile services eg you take a Bus from City Center to Red Cow interchange or Clontarf Garage or Donnybrook or back of the airport and you get dropped off there and take a taxi last mile to your final destination .

Just look at Dublin City South Side the creeping sandal policy how many streets can you actually drive down between Merrion Street and Georges Street .How many have restricted entry ?There is a Government and Council policy to restrict movement into the City and hand it over to Tourism as Tourism is the only indigenous business that actually makes any money that does not recieve government subsidies like Farming it is a direct import of cash from overseas and helps our balance of payments .How many Night Clubs are there in Dublin ?COPPERS and ?.Your local TD wont support more taxis he dosent want to see the Local pub or restaurant put out of business because their customers are all spending their cash in the City at weekends .A lot of this No taxi crap is paid for advertising and pressure from big Pub chains that advertise on RTE or in the News papers .Groups who own multiple City Center Pubs and restaurants or Promoters who get planning for concerts in unsuitable locations and when the Locals complain that Sheilagh is pulling out her Tampon to piss in the lane beside their house or Donal is shitting in their front garden they blame the Taxi driver for not getting the people out of the area quick enough .

Look at the upcoming Garth Brooks Gigs .The minute the Gates open to let the crowd out Health and Safety kicks in Taxis wont be allowed past Berties old HQ coming from the North ,the new bus lane in Fairview means no stopping the new bus lane in Clontarf means no where for busses to Stop to pick up .Capel Street blocked up will mean congestion all around Phibsboro or in one simple word Croker Gridlock and of course Frankie and Nula from Down the Country will have their weekend in the Green Isle hotel with Garth Brooks tickets destroyed because they couldnt get a taxi until twenty to seven in the morning and the fucking driver was black .They will be telling Joe from Ballyfermot .

When I was 20 you went out in Ballyfermot or Finglas or Clondalkin village In Ballyer Joe Dolan might be on in the Hunting Lodge Dickie Rock across the Road and Eileen Reid in the Lawns and somebody else on in the Lower County no need to go to town the local chipper even sliced and fried Cat and Dog food into burgers .In Finglas you had the Drake or the Bottom of the Hill or Shamrock with bands every night .The only advantage to going to town was a late night plastic cup of Blue Nun in the TV Club or Mc Gonagles or a chance to get refused by some Nurse in the National Ballroom or the Ierne .If they opened Pubs later then most locals would stay local the proof is Clondalkin Village packed every weekend Tallaght use to be the same when the Plaza and Sticky Floors were open late and the Old Mill is still wedged on a Saturday Night .

The real problem is lack of access and the stupid licensing laws that force people into two square miles of the Entire country if they want a late drink or band and the reason behind that is who owns the City Center Bars and restaurants and who they know .

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« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2022, 09:22:08 am »
They could increase the premium rate by 30% and the lads who work says would still work days.It's about having a normal life.Money isn't a factor.

It's interesting that we don't have cosies though.

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« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2022, 10:15:46 am »
Interesting that Dave McGuinness added his considerable clout to the body of trade representatives who have already drawn attention to thousands of drivers leaving the trade to pursue more lucrative vocations. Perhaps more interesting, his belief that he was wrong and there is no shortage despite such concerns expressed by himself and at a much earlier juncture (in fact long before COVID '19 anall) by the late Joe Heron (RIP) and Jim Waldron, with the latter calling for lower entry costs.

I guess it's also interesting that Dave believes we need more public transport options. In London (for example) when one opens the Free Now application one can choose from Taxis, Private Hire Vehicles (generally clapped out Priuseyes at less than half the fare charged by taxis), Electric Bicycles and Electric Scooters.

I guess it's noteworthy that the only attempt from our Green Transport Minister to provide safer, healthier, environmentally friendlier public transport has been to throw millions of euros at an ever-decreasing taxi fleet. Of course, it's unlikely that Minister Ryan considered the fact that putting such vast sums of money into taxi drivers' pockets considerably reduces our fixed and variable costbases resulting in less need to work unsocial hours, particularly when combined with the fact that the vast majority of drivers eligible for such grants are mortgage free and have already rared their offspring. No move whatsoever on regulating Rickshaws, Electric Bicycles or Electric Scooters as promised many many years ago by Minister Ross.

I guess if our representatives must open their mouths - and it appears they must - they ought to concentrate on the ever-increasing difficulty in providing a service in cities such as Dublin. Necessary physical barriers protecting cycle lanes prevent taxis from pulling in to load passengers which in turn renders accepting fares from dispatch firms impossible and adds to traffic congestion as taxis which are hailed must block the entire carraigway to facilitate client (dis)embarkation.
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« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2022, 10:24:41 am »
Seriously Merch Access is a real problem .And its designed to be .A lot of European Cities are traffic Free and we are going there slowly .Its a bit like going Grey one hair at a time and it creeps up on you .The roll out of City Bikes especially battery powered ones and rent a scooter will lead to a Car Free Zone from Werbough Street to Ringsend and inside the Canals .Give it 6 to 10 years or less depending on Putins Oil policy and if The Yanks elect a Republican next election .Things Change so fast Me Mothers old Gaff in Inchicore was built in 1919 and was fitted with Gas Lighting now everything in the Gaff is run on Electricity .I doubt the original owner of the Inchicore Gaff went into Dublin City more than once or twice a year .If you think about it in real time our grannies probably got all excited when they were told they were getting Electricity in the House ,they couldnt believe that somebody they knew might own a car and If they even mentioned Gay or Lesbian they would have their mouth washed out with Carbolic Soap .This whole taxi thing is just background noise While they are talking about Taxis Joe from Ballyer isint talking about HomelessNess lack of Doctors or Nurses or Social workers the BILLION Euro over run on the price of the Childrens Hospital that lacks Staff when it opens or the 230 a liter Petrol why Black Refugees are not getting the same treatment as White Christian Non EU good looking women .Of course your Feminista Journalists wont comment on those issues but stumbling in her Minola Blancs after gallons of Presecco in Dawson Street is a Real life issue if you cannot get a Man or a taxi to take you home .

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« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2022, 12:29:40 pm »
The Journal. are obsessed with taxis at the moment.

https://www.thejournal.ie/taxi-shortage-dublin-5794428-Jun2022/

https://www.thejournal.ie/poll-uber-and-lyft-services-5794507-Jun2022/


The moaners in the comments will hate uber drivers as much as they hate us.

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« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2022, 12:32:31 pm »
Don't read it you'll only get upset.Im convinced most of the commenters are bots.Even the staff from the journal I've had in the car think the comments section is a pile of shite.

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« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2022, 12:39:52 pm »
Don't read it you'll only get upset.Im convinced most of the commenters are bots.Even the staff from the journal I've had in the car think the comments section is a pile of shite.


Probably true in a way. same as those fake people who call in radio shows.

Some comments can be funny though, the one about taxi fares going up 12%, some ejit said I paid 20 euro from town to wherever, god knows how much it will cost now. someone replied its quiet easy to figure out, you just add 12% to 20 euro.  rofl

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« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2022, 12:48:34 pm »
There's a lot of political party bashing in the comments.In the real world people don't care that much.Probably all Russian bots trying to stir things up.If the Russians can do it on Twitter and Facebook the journal would be relatively easy to fiddle.

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« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2022, 12:50:29 pm »
The Journal. are obsessed with taxis at the moment.

https://www.thejournal.ie/taxi-shortage-dublin-5794428-Jun2022/

https://www.thejournal.ie/poll-uber-and-lyft-services-5794507-Jun2022/


The moaners in the comments will hate uber drivers as much as they hate us.

Would they like a service like that offered by Free Now in London i.e. including the option to order a Private Hire Vehicle (hackney) at about half the price of a taxi?

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« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2022, 12:55:44 pm »
The Journal. are obsessed with taxis at the moment.

https://www.thejournal.ie/taxi-shortage-dublin-5794428-Jun2022/

https://www.thejournal.ie/poll-uber-and-lyft-services-5794507-Jun2022/




The moaners in the comments will hate uber drivers as much as they hate us.

Would they like a service like that offered by Free Now in London i.e. including the option to order a Private Hire Vehicle (hackney) at about half the price of a taxi?




some will, some wont. the tight customers will want the cheapest option, the smarter customers will want a vetted and insured driver who wont kill them on the way home.

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« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2022, 01:08:55 pm »
To be fair, Free Now (and Uber) Private Hire drivers in London are vetted and licensed by TfL and are required to operate licensed and insured PHVs. Would a similar system here address such concerns?

 


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