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Charge ........
« on: July 14, 2022, 08:55:54 am »
Took part last Night in an Online PAID discussion about Electric Cars with local Councillors and Car distributors from the EU and GB .All very Positive they were selling the Emissions bit of it .I had to ask a Question to justify me 80 euro fee . This was My Question .Will Ev lead to more Traffic Congestion ?I let the question sit and waited for an answer. The answer was thats a silly /Stupid Question .Is it I asked ,How long does it take to fill a tank of Petrol ?How long will it take to recharge a Battery ?Where are these cars going to park when they are charging ?Will they not be congesting Existing parking spaces how many hundred thousand more parking spaces will need to be created for cars that are unable to drive as they do not have a charge unlike instant refuellable Petrol and Diesel Cars .Even with super chargers taking about 40 minutes to fully charge a car you would need to allocate a huge amount of roadspace to charging facilities and if you had commercial charging Parks then unlike a Garage in out and full in under 5 minutes it would take upwards of an Hour to recharge your vehicle .If you include an Hour of your Time every time you have to drive to one of these facilities even if only once a week that is 52 hours a year of wasted time that is no longer available to industry or Commerce for productive use .Add in the Cost per hour of your time .Can any real economic argument  be made for changing from Fossil fuel to Electric and can any real Green Credentials for the manufacture of EVs and batteries .I proposed that Hydrogen not Electric was the fuel of the future But also suggested that Hydrogens only emission was water which will evaporate into the atmosphere creating more Cloud and possibly leading to a different type of Global warming or Climate Change .Even if every public car parking spot was EV friendly you would need to park for a minimum of an hour to recharge .If you could find a parking space ?

My follow up remark was .Was it not possible to create a removeable  reuseable Cathalythic Converter that could trap emissions and be removed and cleaned with every service .The reply was Yes they already exist but it would be impossible to retrofit all existing cars world wide .I then asked will it be easier to replace all Fossil Fueled Cars and rewire the world to charge them .I remarked on the Parochial thinking of Scientists who only saw the issue from the window of their office and not the real world .And the real Political agenda of EVs was to stop exporting Cash for Fuel to Arabs and Russians who didnt play the big monopoly game of life that funds the rest of the World Saudis dont wear Wrangler Drink Bud smoke Marlboro or buy Britney Spears Concert Tickets they compete in the Auction Rooms against Hedge Funds to but Property and Land .Evs are just a ploy by Western Governments to get Westerners to stop using Foreign Fuels and funding THEIR Opposition .

I dont think my remarks went down to well with most but a Lad from the West Midlands University thought my remarks bore further examination .
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Re: Charge ........
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2022, 08:57:41 am »
@ Watty I was thinking of you when I remarked about the loss of Productivity .How many hours a week do you spend recharging .If you put a value on that time does Electricity work out any cheaper than Dirty Diesel ?
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« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2022, 09:28:29 am »
TOYOTA SHOWCASES EXPERIMENTAL HYDROGEN-POWERED GR YARIS
• Concept shares same powertrain as experimental hydrogen-powered Corolla Sport, currently racing in Super Taikyu race series in Japan
• Powered by modified GR Yaris engine to use hydrogen as fuel
• Hydrogen combustion engine technology delivers almost zero emissions while retaining the acoustic and sensory sensations typical for combustion engines
• Development continues through harsh conditions of motorsport in Japan

Toyota today showcased its experimental hydrogen-powered combustion engine technology in the multiple award-winning GR Yaris.
The hydrogen fuel, fuel tanks and refuelling process of the experimental vehicle are the same as found in the Mirai, Toyota’s commercially available flagship fuel cell electric vehicle.
However, whilst the Mirai employs chemical reaction in the fuel cells to generate energy, the experimental GR Yaris features an internal combustion engine with hydrogen as the fuel.

While the hydrogen combustion engine technology is still in the early stages of conceptual development and experimentation, which started in 2017 and not yet ready for commercialisation, Toyota’s experimental hydrogen-powered Corolla Sport is already delivering high performance at motorsport events in Japan with almost zero tailpipe emissions.

The hydrogen-powered experimental GR Yaris and the Corolla Sport both feature the same G16E-GTS, 1.6-litre, in-line 3-cylinder, turbocharged engine that is found in the award-winning GR Yaris, but with a modified fuel supply and injection system for use with hydrogen as fuel.

The experimental hydrogen-powered Corolla Sport has already been competing in the Super Taikyu race series in Japan since May this year under the ROOKIE Racing arm of Toyota GAZOO Racing where the team has taken on the challenge to test the experimental hydrogen combustion engine under the harsh environments of motorsport.
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« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2022, 09:38:11 am »
Where is Panel he understands most of this stuff ....The hydrogen-powered experimental GR Yaris and the Corolla Sport both feature the same G16E-GTS, 1.6-litre, in-line 3-cylinder, turbocharged engine that is found in the award-winning GR Yaris, but with a modified fuel supply and injection system for use with hydrogen as fuel.....Could an existing Car be modified by changing the fuel and injection system just like you can convert a Petrol car to run on LPG?

Could EVs be obsolete before they even get popular ?
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« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2022, 09:54:32 am »
Doesn't watty an everyone else charge ther car wen they in the scratcher Johnny?
Anyway  I say it to meself every mornin or wen I'm pondering a problem  :-\ ....." energy cannot be created nor destroyed....

How much does it cost to produce hydrogen?
An how much fossil fuel is used in the process ?

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« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2022, 10:07:01 am »
Doesn't watty an everyone else charge ther car wen they in the scratcher Johnny?
Anyway  I say it to meself every mornin or wen I'm pondering a problem  :-\ ....." energy cannot be created nor destroyed....

How much does it cost to produce hydrogen?
An how much fossil fuel is used in the process ?

Think Watty charges off site his home was not compliant for Charger .I dont know how they make Hydrogen or Electricity or Guinness .But if Toyota are saying what I think they are saying then EVs are obsolete before they are popular .If they only need to change the Fuel tank and the Injection system they are already up and running building Engines and Cars .They would save Billions in Retooling Costs that EV builders would need to spend on Plant and Tooling .I came across this when I was looking into Jasmy Sports links .Hydrogen is the most plentyfull free atom in the universe Two to one mix with Oxygen  H2Oto make water .Your Japanese they never try to reinvent the wheel just try make it better .
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« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2022, 10:13:34 am »
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« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2022, 11:09:03 am »
@ Watty I was thinking of you when I remarked about the loss of Productivity .How many hours a week do you spend recharging .If you put a value on that time does Electricity work out any cheaper than Dirty Diesel ?
I do a mix of home (3 pin) and external charging at the moment. So about 70 mins a week at an external charger. How long do you spend waiting on the Heuston rank?

IMHO, it's impossible to price this time since we spend a huge amount of our day waiting for a fare. Just ask the keshies how much time they spend driving!

I don't do it myself but some leave the apps on so if they get a job they just unplug and away they go...

BTW the average person would probably charge once a week, at home, while they're sleeping.

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« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2022, 12:15:40 pm »
Transport seems to be one of those industries that changes rapidly then they realize that it was not what they thought it would be .I really Wonder will Private Money invest in Charging Points and will Councils build enough .Concord was going to change world travel .Hovercrafts were going to solve the Britian French Crossing even Ireland embraced the Jet Foil spent billions on all these projects .Now they are almost obsolete .We were told change to Diesel Cars to save the Earth .There are 3 cars in my house I can imagine the fighting for the Plug !
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« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2022, 01:20:17 pm »
Energy like everything else will be decentralised..solar panels , wind turbines and geothermal heating in every home and office ...ther will be resistance from big  energy companies but climate crisis will lead the way .
Hydrogen is a non runner as it produces heat, is  inefficient  to produce and highly  dangerous to store at 10,000 psi in a vehicle or anywhere else ...

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« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2022, 01:22:43 pm »
Energy like everything else will be decentralised..solar panels , wind turbines and geothermal heating in every home and office ...ther will be resistance from big  energy companies but climate crisis will lead the way .
Hydrogen is a non runner as it produces heat, is  inefficient  to produce and highly  dangerous to store at 10,000 psi in a vehicle or anywhere else ...

When your right your right Occi .Do subs have Nuclear Powered engines ?
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« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2022, 01:30:01 pm »
Energy like everything else will be decentralised..solar panels , wind turbines and geothermal heating in every home and office ...ther will be resistance from big  energy companies but climate crisis will lead the way .
Hydrogen is a non runner as it produces heat, is  inefficient  to produce and highly  dangerous to store at 10,000 psi in a vehicle or anywhere else ...

When your right your right Occi .Do subs have Nuclear Powered engines ?

Yes they do ....fossil fuels and nuclear powered military  vehicles will be reserved for the military obviously and environmental damage will come second to  national security.......flying to tenerife for yur holiers will become a thing of the past tho

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« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2022, 01:43:45 pm »
Occi Im surprised at you buying into this Bullshit .In 50 years we will be burning more oil and gas than we do now .The real problem is Indians and Africans burning sticks and Camel Shit to cook on .Healy Wrays say Kill all Wilderbeasts and Elephants they serve no purpose throw in Giraffes as well .If the Yanks had of gotten the Right Man in power in Iran,Iraq,Libia Venezuela Oil would be 50c a liter and Elon Musk would be working in Mc Donalds .
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« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2022, 01:59:41 pm »
Occi Im surprised at you buying into this Bullshit .In 50 years we will be burning more oil and gas than we do now .The real problem is Indians and Africans burning sticks and Camel Shit to cook on .Healy Wrays say Kill all Wilderbeasts and Elephants they serve no purpose throw in Giraffes as well .If the Yanks had of gotten the Right Man in power in Iran,Iraq,Libia Venezuela Oil would be 50c a liter and Elon Musk would be working in Mc Donalds .

Climate change is bullshit?
I think it's already too late ...the human ape is a cosmic virus ...in 50 years its doubtful weel even be around ....the logical conclusion is nucleur armageddon

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« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2022, 02:05:20 pm »
Occi Im surprised at you buying into this Bullshit .In 50 years we will be burning more oil and gas than we do now .The real problem is Indians and Africans burning sticks and Camel Shit to cook on .Healy Wrays say Kill all Wilderbeasts and Elephants they serve no purpose throw in Giraffes as well .If the Yanks had of gotten the Right Man in power in Iran,Iraq,Libia Venezuela Oil would be 50c a liter and Elon Musk would be working in Mc Donalds .

Climate change is bullshit?
I think it's already too late ...the human ape is a cosmic virus ...in 50 years its doubtful weel even be around ....the logical conclusion is nucleur armageddon
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