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ESB Balaclavas .
« on: November 21, 2022, 08:32:55 pm »
21/11/2022 | 17:54 PM
NEIL BRISCOE

Electric vehicle owners are facing a major price increase from the ESB, which is putting up the cost of charging an electric car from a public charging point from December 20th.

The rise in costs will be significant. The cheapest charging rate, that for using 22kW AC kerbside chargers, will go up from 33.6 cents per kWh now, to 56.3c per kWh. That move will especially penalise those EV drivers who currently do not have access to charging at home, and who rely on public charging points.

In theory, a Volkswagen ID.4 will average 17kWh/100km of electricity use, which means that travelling each 100km, and charging from a 22kW charger, will cost you €9.57.

To do the same 100km in an equivalent diesel-engined SUV, assuming average fuel economy of 5.5-litres per 100km — certainly do-able in real-world terms — will cost you €9.90 at €1.80 per litre. The electric car still has an advantage, but it’s shrinking fast.

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Of course, according to the statistics, the majority of EV drivers do almost all of their charging at home, but Electric Ireland’s standard rate for home electricity supply now stands at 40.89c per kWh — meaning that it would cost you €28 to charge your ID.4 up from ten per cent battery to full, overnight.

To cover 100km at 17kWh/100km, charging at home at that rate will cost you €6.90, giving you a large, but perhaps not overwhelming advantage over diesel. (It’s worth pointing out that night rate charging, if your supplier offers it, will reduce that cost by quite a bit.)

It should be noted that 17kWh/100km is the on-paper electric consumption for the VW ID.4. In the real world — if it’s cold, if you’ve got the heating or the air conditioning switched on, or if you’re covering motorway mileage — your real-world electric consumption will be significantly higher.

For most EVs larger than supermini size, average all-round consumption is more like 20kWh/100kkm, meaning your 100km journey will cost you €11.26 if charging from a 22kW charger, or €8.10 if charging at home.

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If you want to use the ESB’s rapid public chargers, the news is just as bad. The cost of charging from a 50kW charger (which can only barely be described as ‘fast’ these days) is going up from 39.4c per kWh to 64.7c per kWh. For the very fast 150kW and 350kW chargers, the cost per kWh is going up from 42.3c to 68.2c.

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You can reduce those costs by taking out a monthly subscription with ESB, which costs €4.79 per month. This brings down the per kWh cost to 50.9c at a 22kW charger; 58.6c at a 50kW charger; and 61.7c at a 150kW or 350kW charger — useful reductions, but still pricier than the cost of using an Ionity 350kW rapid charger.

With a monthly subscription, Ionity now offers by far the best fast-charging price, of 34c per kWh, although the cost of a subscription is higher than ESB’s — €17.99 per month.

If you’re on a company car fleet deal with ESB e-Cars, then your charging costs will rise to 48.4c per kWh at 22kW chargers; 55.7c at 50kW chargers; and 58.6c for 150kW and above.

In a statement, the ESB said: “We have done our very best to maintain prices by absorbing the continued increases in the wholesale energy market over the past few months.

"Unfortunately, sustained higher wholesale energy costs throughout Europe means that we continue to experience a very substantial increase in the cost of wholesale electricity, which we must reluctantly pass onto our customers. We are determined to continue offering the best value we can for customers and will keep our prices under constant review in the coming months.”

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Re: ESB Balaclavas .
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2022, 08:03:38 pm »
Evs were pushed to hard without any thinking of possible problems. Toyota announced a few week ago that they will not be producing a full range of evs except one modal per geographical area depending were they sell it will be hybrid, hydrogen, petrol, diesel and 1 ev to give customers choice. They said evs don't suit everyone for near and medium future.

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« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2022, 08:09:20 pm »
A lot of cabbies seem to live in blocks of flats, or one-bed apartments, not very suitable for EV owners.

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« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2022, 10:03:28 pm »
Eamos fuckology today .He wants a windfall tax on Electricity producers now get the fucking idiots maths .Depending on the price level of natural gas, the proceeds could range from circa €300 million to €1.9 billion. However, the level is expected to be in the lower end of this range and could be even lower if gas prices reduce," he said.

Now you are an investor in Windmills or Solar panels and thinking of building a Heard of Windmills somewhere in the World or any other business and you see if you make a decent profit the Cabbages will tax you .His logic is to tax the very people he is trying to get to make clean energy .This tax is going to be only on Clean energy suppliers who do not use Gas or Oil to make electricity .This cunt must be Autistic Ask people to create clean energy then punish them for doing what you asked .Why would you invest in Irelands Windfarms when you can build them in Britain then sell the Power to Ireland at Full Price no windfall tax .Based on this idiots Politics Electricity will be expensive as long as its clean .

Note the Maths over 600% in the difference between what he might get .The same with Toll increases he is not willing to divert funds from Transport to subsidise no toll increases .While spending Hundreds of million on empty bike lanes .

Dont think the running costs between EV and Fossil fueled cars will be that different .Owning an EV will be a Moral judgement not an Economic one .
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« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2022, 05:51:15 pm »
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The ESB has announced a 50% price hike in their rates for electric vehicle (EV) charging.

The price increase will come into effect on December 20 for EV drivers who charge on the public network.

The new rate for pay-as-you-go customers using standard chargers will increase from €0.375 to €0.563 per kWh - a hike of 50%.

Fast chargers will increase from €0.432 to €0.647 - also a hike of 50%.

Those who use the high-power chargers will see an increase from €0.461 up to €0.682 - a hike of 48%.

This now means that owners of a new Nissan LEAF will pay somewhere from €21.96 to €26.60 for a theoretical 0-100% charge.

Those driving Ireland’s most popular EV of late, the Volkswagen iD.4, will now pay from €43.35 up to €52.51.

According to AA Ireland, these increases mean that "those charging on the High Power chargers will be paying nearly as much as an equivalent petrol or diesel car to cover the same distance."

In the last week, Irish motorists have already been hit with the possibility of toll price hikes whilst already dealing with the soaring costs of new and used vehicles and fuel prices.

AA Ireland say that "the price increases come at a time when ESB is being criticised for not improving the network sufficiently.

They believe that "the number of charging points is not increasing in line" with the "year-on-year increase in EV sales of approximately 80%."

They admit that the units are reliable but say that "queues for the chargers are becoming increasingly common."
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Re: ESB Balaclavas .
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2022, 12:01:53 pm »
So €52 for 500km.Not much of a saving compared to a modern efficient diesel or petrol.At 45 mpg a modern diesel would cost €55 !
Seems like if you don't have home overnight charging,the financials don't stack up.

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Re: ESB Balaclavas .
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2022, 12:06:58 pm »
So €52 for 500km.Not much of a saving compared to a modern efficient diesel or petrol.At 45 mpg a modern diesel would cost €55 !
Seems like if you don't have home overnight charging,the financials don't stack up.

The real Sums .Petrol prices will come down as demand lessens as more motorists go Electric ,Electric prices will go up as demand for Electricality increases because more drivers go Electric .As I said in an Earlier Post Buying an EV will be a Moral or Ethical decision not an Economic one .
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Re: ESB Balaclavas .
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2022, 12:42:04 pm »
Isn't it amazing how every EV taxi driver you talk to only spends €20 a week on electricity!

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« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2022, 05:05:22 pm »
I've said publicly on here that I spend €30-35/week on my EV but €20/week could be possible.

For reference, my MG5 EV does 15 kWh/100 km in summer and 20 kWh/100 km in winter (approx).  The larger/heavier VW ID4's might use more juice?

If you home charge at 10c/kWh, 100km would cost you €1.50 (10c x 15kWh) in the summer or €2 during the winter. 600km would be €9 or €12 in summer & winter
If you home charge at 20c/kWh, 100km would cost you €3 & €4 respectively. 600km would be €18 & €24, respectively.
If you home charge at 30c/kWh, 100km would cost you €4.50 & €6.  600km would therefore be €26 & €36...

(all numbers approx to keep the maths simple  :P )



But as pointed out already, the cheap EV fuel prices won't last forever.  The tax on EV juice will go up as the tax recovered from petrol/diesel sales goes down...

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Re: ESB Balaclavas .
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2022, 01:52:54 pm »
Would AC vs DC make any difference?

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« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2022, 02:26:30 pm »
Not sure I understand your question.  You can only get AC at home afaik?

Open to correction but AC is what you get at home and it goes straight into the battery.  Same with the slow AC external chargers. 

All EV's have a built-in DC/AC converter and the external DC fast chargers go through that.  The car's software controls how much and at what speed it goes into the car battery.  External fast chargers have a price premium over external AC chargers and that is determined by how 'fast' the fast charger is [AC < 50 kWh << 70 kWh << 150 kWh].

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« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2022, 03:05:15 pm »
I'm wondering if there's a difference between the number of KWHs required to fill the tank depending on whether one uses AC or DC to fill up?

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« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2022, 03:27:54 pm »
I'm wondering if there's a difference between the number of KWHs required to fill the tank depending on whether one uses AC or DC to fill up?

Great Question Sheldon .Would you need more than a Pint of Hot water or Cold Water to fill a Pint Bottle ?
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« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2022, 03:54:49 pm »
I'm wondering if there's a difference between the number of KWHs required to fill the tank depending on whether one uses AC or DC to fill up?

No, on a practical level.

Another answer is that a bit of electricity is lost through resistance and heat loss as it travels through the cable.  Since the fast charge cable is much thicker than the thinner AC one, I guess there could be a loss but it would be so small that non-nerdy people don't think about it.  E.g. when you're filling the car with diesel, do you shake the nozzle when you're finished to get every last drop out of it?



Great Question Sheldon .Would you need more than a Pint of Hot water or Cold Water to fill a Pint Bottle ?

You might need more hot water due to evaporation?  Or less cold water as it expands a little bit when coming up to room temperate?

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Re: ESB Balaclavas .
« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2022, 03:57:09 pm »
A lot of cabbies seem to live in blocks of flats, or one-bed apartments, not very suitable for EV owners.



Garden sheds too

 


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