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The Liffey Lip

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Paddy Power acting the maggot.
« on: October 02, 2017, 07:48:30 am »
Media reports of his agents caught manipulating S.P's via huge on-course bets creating false favs. Who's have thought? rofl

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Re: Paddy Power acting the maggot.
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2017, 08:18:55 am »
That's an old trick, I thought the BHB would have been well ahead of that scam today.

Ladbrokes ran that scam successfully fer many years back in the 70's where a few Grand on the Fav on-course just before the Off,
 could shorten his price from 7/4 to 5/4 saving them many more thousands in S.P. bets in their 1000 and odd shops.

I can't remember the punishment, if any, but they were caught at it.

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Re: Paddy Power acting the maggot.
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2017, 08:23:41 am »
R.T.E. stated "the practise is not illegal". They've been caught and spilled the beans...great p.r.

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Re: Paddy Power acting the maggot.
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2017, 08:30:17 am »
I would agree with RTE, the on-course market is open to everyone.
But it is 'Sharp practise' and the BHB won't be too pleased with Mr Power.

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Re: Paddy Power acting the maggot.
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2017, 08:37:36 am »
The BHB (Ex-Jockey club) are not to be messed with, it's them and their like who issue bookies their licence on an annual basis.
If found to be of bad character, they can refuse them a 'Suitability of personal fitness' licence.

As was the case with Ladbrokes Casino division back in the 60's or 70's, they acted the maggot, and had their Casino licence revoked fer a full Ten years.

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Re: Paddy Power acting the maggot.
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2017, 08:50:45 am »
I remember working for Donnacha O Dea he had 3 shops in Dublin and 1 saturday we took a lot of small bets on a thing called The Black Sack at a by meeting at the time he didnt offer board prices on non handicaps .It opened '12/1 backed down to 10s O Dea realized he held about  600 on it so rang his agent who had connections at every UK course had 300 on, the betting then went 12/1...10/1....6/1 betting suspended then it went 5/4 There is very little on course action at some of those UK By meetings Barney Curley was one of the first to cop that he use to back an outsider for readies on course but have his real coin on the fav off course .Manipulating the SP is part of the game there was a famous one at the dogs in Mullingar Alo Hogan an independent bookie in the south of the country use to pay the SP on greyhound racing in Ireland most other bookies steared clear of it 30 or so years ago .The dog was Yellow Sam he should of been odds on but the boys blocked the tote windows and backed every dog in the race but only had a pound or two on Sam he won as expected and returned at about 6/1 he should of been about 4/7

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Re: Paddy Power acting the maggot.
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2017, 08:53:54 am »
That dog might of been Ballydonnell Sam .im not sure which .

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Re: Paddy Power acting the maggot.
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2017, 08:54:46 am »
Are you lads on tablets?The whole premise behind opening a betting shop is manipulation.There is no fairness in gambling.It's a magnet for lads who are shite at basic maths and think they're gifted somehow.

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« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2017, 09:15:32 am »
Are you lads on tablets?The whole premise behind opening a betting shop is manipulation.There is no fairness in gambling.It's a magnet for lads who are shite at basic maths and think they're gifted somehow.

Your sort of not right and not wrong as well .Maths helps Bookies make a book to a margin and if you have patience and discipline you can nick a few quid every now and then .About 30 years ago the changed the tax on betting in the UK and abolished the tax on course .The bookies over reacted and horses running @ long odds on became the norm especially if Henry Cecil trained them .One Saturday there were 3 races with distorted markets .Cecil had a horse called Sure Blade he was a top 2 year old but had missed most of his 3 year old season but Cecil got him back on a race course for a mickey mouse race where he started 1/33 the second fav was 16/1 and certain to be second .The other race and I have only ever seen this once the first two in the betting started odds on 10/11 each and the 3 fav was 20/1 looked a certainty to be placed .The other race the fav started odds on and the place robbery was 6/1 .We got a nice few quid out of that .You dont see to many opportunities to steal money like that anymore .The bookies just make the book on course  without the fav and quote the fav for SP purposes only .

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Re: Paddy Power acting the maggot.
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2017, 09:46:22 am »
Yellow Sam was a hoss John,Barney Curley set the coup up at Cartmel IIRC,no mobile phones back then and the boys piled into the horse at 16/1 and 20/1 and someone from Curley's gang kept the only phone line between the track and the shops busy so there was no way for the books to warn each other what was happening.

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« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2017, 09:47:43 am »
Yeh I thought I was mixing up the names Ballydonnell Sam was the Dog  Was the horse not Gay Future ?

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Re: Paddy Power acting the maggot.
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2017, 09:49:11 am »
Are you lads on tablets?The whole premise behind opening a betting shop is manipulation.There is no fairness in gambling.It's a magnet for lads who are shite at basic maths and think they're gifted somehow.

You're right, but it's human to think there's something better out there Mercenary. Most people lead lives of drudgery...hence pubs and nightclubs and marriage and kids and every other rigged rite of passage. It's all a game mate! Gambling is particularly dangerous, I'll give you that. Men buy gadgets when the sex dries up and women start changing things about the house when they lose their sexual allure.

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Re: Paddy Power acting the maggot.
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2017, 09:51:48 am »
Are you lads on tablets?The whole premise behind opening a betting shop is manipulation.There is no fairness in gambling.It's a magnet for lads who are shite at basic maths and think they're gifted somehow.

You're right, but it's human to think there's something better out there Mercenary. Most people lead lives of drudgery...hence pubs and nightclubs and marriage and kids and every other rigged rite of passage. It's all a game mate! Gambling is particularly dangerous, I'll give you that. Men buy gadgets when the sex dries up and women start changing things about the house when they lose their sexual allure.

My missus just moved me new telly and Video and Hi Fi and games consel etc etc etc etc 

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Re: Paddy Power acting the maggot.
« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2017, 09:52:31 am »
Yeh I thought I was mixing up the names Ballydonnell Sam was the Dog  Was the horse not Gay Future ?
T'was Bellewstown John,my mistake.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Sam_betting_coup

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Re: Paddy Power acting the maggot.
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2017, 09:54:07 am »
He hit them with  Gay Future as well in Cartmel in 1974.

The horse Gay Future had received some dreadful reviews prior to a race in Cartmel, which made its 15-length win something of a surprise. What its observers didn't know was that the horse they’d originally seen was an imposter.

The real Gay Future was trained to its peak at the stables of Edward O'Grady in Co Tipperary. O'Grady and Future's owner, Tony Murphy, had sent another horse - a rubbish one - to Scotland. On the day of the race small bets were placed on Gay Future in doubles and trebles with two more of Tony Collins’s horses. That pair, Opera Cloak and Anderwyke, were subsequently withdrawn from their respective races, turning the multiple bets into singles.

Before the race, soap was rubbed into Future’s legs to make it look as if he was sweating up, a factor which dissuaded on-track punters, and kept his odds steady at 10/1. When the horse won the protagonists were set to pocket approximately €2million in today’s money. However, the unusual betting patterns were spotted, Murphy was convicted of fraud, fined £1000, and banned from British racecourses for ten years.

 


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